Post: #5251

(04-17-2015 11:34 AM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  Other times it's a SLOW burn, and it takes 2 weeks of texting before I feel like I have calibrated to her vibe, and it's at that point I pull the trigger and go for the meetup.

If I try for the meetup prematurely, then it doesn't go well.

You know slow burns may lead to zero date bangs more now that I think about it, it doesn't hurt to drop bait and see if they're interested in coming over first, if not, by default just get them to meet you near your place and the deal's sealed.

Quote:I am a huge believer in texting in the game, beyond just logistics. I think it just needs to be done in the right way.

The mistake guys make here is failing to realize that girls don't need "comfort" to bang a guy. Comfort = boring.

Girls just need to feel attraction. Girls are often blinded by the feeling of attraction, because they are emotionally driven, and they'll do things way out of their norm if their emotions tell them to do it.

Like, for instance, going to a strangers house.

I'll be the first to admit how surprised I am that girls come over to my place so readily.

Yeah as long as you connect and attract you're in. I don't ever drive to girls, they 99% of the time always come to me, within a half mile radius of my house.

Like I said above, it wouldn't hurt to bait them into coming over.

I've had some luck telling girls to meet me at my pad and we'll go from there.

Then make an excuse that I'm tired or some excuse, they you'll hear the "well we don't have to go out if you're tired"....and it's on.[/quote]

Post: #5252

(04-17-2015 11:42 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Yeah, I didn't think to do that...that one's on me, won't happen again. Compared to the hundreds of traditional "let's meet at starbucks or this bar" kind of dates I'm such a newb at the zero date bang.

What age range are you dealing with?

First thing I do when a girl agrees to meet up with me:

1. I save her number to my phone
2. I open Snapchat, and lookup her username there
3. I search instagram and twitter using that username (girls usually have the same name across all social media)
4. Determine if she is a SIF

Another method is to keep Facebook installed on your phone. Facebook app allows you to search your contacts for "friends." This allows you to find her FB profile, so you can see more pics.


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If you get SIF'd in the future, then you should just try to escalate super quick and see if you can get a BJ out of the deal, before kicking her out 20 minutes later.

Then come on to RVF and tell us about it.

Fuck it, why not. We're all just dust in the wind!!

Post: #5253

(04-17-2015 12:05 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 11:42 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Yeah, I didn't think to do that...that one's on me, won't happen again. Compared to the hundreds of traditional "let's meet at starbucks or this bar" kind of dates I'm such a newb at the zero date bang.

What age range are you dealing with?

First thing I do when a girl agrees to meet up with me:

1. I save her number to my phone
2. I open Snapchat, and lookup her username there
3. I search instagram and twitter using that username (girls usually have the same name across all social media)
4. Determine if she is a SIF

Another method is to keep Facebook installed on your phone. Facebook app allows you to search your contacts for "friends." This allows you to find her FB profile, so you can see more pics.


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If you get SIF'd in the future, then you should just try to escalate super quick and see if you can get a BJ out of the deal, before kicking her out 20 minutes later.

Then come on to RVF and tell us about it.

Fuck it, why not. We're all just dust in the wind!!

Good tips for doing recon work. The thought of escalating anyway crossed my mind but I'm sticking to my resolution of quality over quantity, though I know it's going to set me up for longer dry spells and more frustration/disappointment. I've always been a leg man and she was wearing a skirt and her legs were so damn fat it pretty much made my stomach turn.



In other news, my Monday meetup just flaked on me now due to work travel. Ugh not liking this streak I'm on...

Post: #5254

^Hang in there man. It really will turn around when you least expect it.

10 minutes until I'm meeting my date for tonight. She's either pretty or or a fat girl with a pretty face. She plays basketball, so hopefully the former!

I swear, Tinder is like roulette.

Post: #5255

My online prospects are booming (numbers + girls eager to meet) but I've become too busy and complacent due to my regular/LTR.

Post: #5256

(04-17-2015 12:51 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  ^Hang in there man. It really will turn around when you least expect it.

10 minutes until I'm meeting my date for tonight. She's either pretty or or a fat girl with a pretty face. She plays basketball, so hopefully the former!

I swear, Tinder is like roulette.

I have one regular plate that I see consistently once a week in addition to a really solid FB as well so my attitude has changed from being excited to get out there to more like "eh, ok I'll go to work...." My patience and threshold for women's shit is at an all time low.

Post: #5257

kaotic: "Oh is that stuff from that book by Neil Strauss"
liz: "yeah, I knew you were one of those guys"
kaotic: "no I read his book on Motley Crue, it was pretty good"
liz: "yeah right"
kaotic: "actually the book about pickup artists seemed interesting, I may read it"
liz: rants about MRA pickup artists...you go on to ask her funniest stories with those types of guys

This is basically how I lie. Partial truth.

"It's not a lie if you believe it"

Good stuff on that post. I actually just skimmed and feel like I still enjoyed a great story.

Post: #5258

Crash and burned with the Tinder girl. She turned out to be a 6.

Got an ok, not stellar, vibe going and went for the make-out at around 45 minutes after 2 glasses of wine each.

She's not very into it. Lay off and talk some more. Go for the make-out again, still not into it.

Talk some more and vibe, but I'm getting disinterested. Third try and I grab her hair while kissing her.

She pulls back and leans against the wall (we're sitting on my bed). She's not making any moves to leave but I'm through with her non-interest in even making out.

I blurt out something like "I like your vibe but it's like we're not really connecting here. You don't like kissing me?"

She hems and haws, but she's still not making any move to leave. I'm not having her here if we're not fucking.

I play it cool and say it's ok but that she should leave. She says "I'm not sleeping with you on the first date". I respond "I understand and that's cool".

Go for the hug when saying goodbye, but she's all "Can't be bothered, the mood got all pissy".

Yup, and that was my bad. But I had zero patience tonight. Could be because all the girls I've had over, until tonight, have been really into it the second I initiate the make-out. Their LMR had been token resistance; this girl wouldn't even make out for one minute.

Writing this off as sub-par game on my part. Compared with prior dates I didn't get that awesome vibe going before getting physical. Always learning!

Post: #5259

(04-17-2015 03:06 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  Crash and burned with the Tinder girl. She turned out to be a 6.

Got an ok, not stellar, vibe going and went for the make-out at around 45 minutes after 2 glasses of wine each.

She's not very into it. Lay off and talk some more. Go for the make-out again, still not into it.

Talk some more and vibe, but I'm getting disinterested. Third try and I grab her hair while kissing her.

She pulls back and leans against the wall (we're sitting on my bed). She's not making any moves to leave but I'm through with her non-interest in even making out.

I blurt out something like "I like your vibe but it's like we're not really connecting here. You don't like kissing me?"

She hems and haws, but she's still not making any move to leave. I'm not having her here if we're not fucking.

I play it cool and say it's ok but that she should leave. She says "I'm not sleeping with you on the first date". I respond "I understand and that's cool".

Go for the hug when saying goodbye, but she's all "Can't be bothered, the mood got all pissy".

Yup, and that was my bad. But I had zero patience tonight. Could be because all the girls I've had over, until tonight, have been really into it the second I initiate the make-out. Their LMR had been token resistance; this girl wouldn't even make out for one minute.

Writing this off as sub-par game on my part. Compared with prior dates I didn't get that awesome vibe going before getting physical. Always learning!

I've had a handful of women come back to my place after a date and absolutely refuse to kiss me, even a quick peck on the lips. Fortunately those are few and far between. The overwhelming majority of them will be fine with making out but shut me down if I go any further.

I know I tend to get impatient with LMR like you do but I'm figuring out that the key is for us to be in that zen state where we're completely into it, aggressive and desiring them with every fiber of our being while at the same time being ready at a second's notice to completely disengage and have no attachment to the thought of having sex with them in that moment, or ever.

Of course easier said than done...

Post: #5260

So work is pretty slow today and I was swiping my way through Tinder and ran across a girl I had been talking with from Hinge. We had made plans to meet up twice and she flaked both times. The first time I was in the middle of moving and we learned that we lived about 1 block from each other. I explained that I was madly preparing for my move but still wanted to quickly meet up with so I proposed us meeting for a quick walk. She agreed and then flaked 30 mins before saying she "didn't feel well". She wanted to reschedule so we set a time for last Sunday and she sends me a text Saturday night saying she needed to cancel again because she needed to teach a Yoga class for a sick instructor. I nexted her at that point.

Fast forward to today and I see her on Tinder. Being in a pissy mood to begin with I decide to troll her a little over text. I give her crap about blowing me off and she says that I didn't seem all that into her. Huh? She then says that she had mentioned me to her "Sr. manager at work" and he advised her to cancel on me because I had suggested a walk saying "I'm a human not a dog" Gotta love them white knights...

Post: #5261

(04-17-2015 03:18 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  I've had a handful of women come back to my place after a date and absolutely refuse to kiss me, even a quick peck on the lips. Fortunately those are few and far between. The overwhelming majority of them will be fine with making out but shut me down if I go any further.

I know I tend to get impatient with LMR like you do but I'm figuring out that the key is for us to be in that zen state where we're completely into it, aggressive and desiring them with every fiber of our being while at the same time being ready at a second's notice to completely disengage and have no attachment to the thought of having sex with them in that moment, or ever.

Of course easier said than done...

I see what you're saying and I've been there with the other girls. But with them it's making out, pulling her shirt off and start to rub the outside of her jeans - she pulls your hand away. You disengage for a while and then get at it again, this time you rub her pussy inside her jeans. That's LMR for me.

This girl rejected me 3 times and as I'm not used to that it messed with my state. My tone when disengaging her was not upset at all, I just calmly stated that she should go. I just felt that her rejecting longer kisses, 3 times in a row, is a hard no that I don't have the energy to try and change. I mean, is that even LMR? That's like her having a belated realization that maybe she's not as attracted to you as she thought.

Post: #5262

(04-17-2015 03:53 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  I see what you're saying and I've been there with the other girls. But with them it's making out, pulling her shirt off and start to rub the outside of her jeans - she pulls your hand away. You disengage for a while and then get at it again, this time you rub her pussy inside her jeans. That's LMR for me.

This girl rejected me 3 times and as I'm not used to that it messed with my state. My tone when disengaging her was not upset at all, I just calmly stated that she should go. I just felt that her rejecting longer kisses, 3 times in a row, is a hard no that I don't have the energy to try and change. I mean, is that even LMR? That's like her having a belated realization that maybe she's not as attracted to you as she thought.

Never ever EVER show frustration man !

You did good calmly telling her to leave.

Some girls just AREN'T going to bang/kiss whatever on the first date (yes far and few in between).

You should always assume the sale but just remember sometimes you don't bang on the first date. (That was my problem beginning on RVF)

Maybe she wasn't buying what you were selling earlier.

However, that fact she's in your pad ON your bed, means alot, so that's good !

Were you guys doing anything besides drinking and talking ?
How was the actual lighting in the house ? Was it dim ?
Why didn't put a movie on ? (That makes it a good time for step 1 cuddling)

Dim lights>movies>cuddles>kiss>lmr>backstep>2 steps forward

Remember sometimes it's 2 steps forward 1 step back.

You should be prepared to bang and prepare to get rejected.


It's technically not LMR, it's more of a connection/attraction issues.

If shit wasn't going good, just say you're tired and have to get up early.

If she was being a straight up bitch you could nuke her (but she's in your pad).

Post: #5263

Had 3 dates this week in a row:

Closet feminist. Probably will bang.

I forgot to note when she was on my bed and told her to lay down with me, I had grabbed her side, I didn't just say anything.


Had a 20 year old possible virgin:

Tinder match, 7 online, 6.5 in person, she's 2 inches taller than me, no sweat.

Met up at a local coffee shop, chatted for a bit.

Total introvert, super shy, cute skirt, definitely feminine, just a taller gal. Unfortunately you can't fix the looks department.

But something about her innocence and shyness kept me around, we bounced outside, it got cold, walked towards my car to sit and and talk, she immediately said she didn't feel comfortable doing that....I laughed and said "in front of a store with cameras ?"

She looks back and I walk towards her car without skipping a beat, we chat her in car for awhile, then suggest we head to really cool shopping plaza with a walk way and a pond.

She seemed hesitant so I turned up the heat "I could just leave you know....I don't have time to waste to "creep"."

We go to the plaza, hangout on the stairs, chat, bounce back to my car.

Chat a bit more, then I make out with her, she laughs, keep making out then pull away fast and say "that's all you get for now, maybe more later" and bounce.

Overall it was a really mellow date - I had a good time, might do a ONS with her if anything.


The playoff hockey date:

First time I ever took a first date to a hockey game, we agreed to go dutch on tickets, she actually gave me more than what the ticket was worth.

A good 7 filipino/mexican girl from off tinder, 5'3ish a bit thick, but perfect islander tan, super turned on by that.

Met a local brewery near the stadium, immediately as we walk in I see 2 people I know (social proof).

Super bubbly personality - clicked right off the bat laughing about little things and sexual jokes. She loves the small brewery feel, I use rambling game with stories, she's eating it up.

Lot's of IOI's & kino:

She's in my personal bubble.
Lots of eye contact and smiling.
She playfully hit me a few times.
Then grabbed my bicep a few times.

We take a walk to a bar across the street from arena, she runs into a friend, say hi, bounce, grab another good drink at the bar chat some more.

I take a piss come out of the bathroom debating some gents if the teams gonna sweep or go 6 games. An older drunk lady interjects and the guys walk away, we talk to her for a bit, flirt a bit talks how she's from Canada.

How she doesn't care about her husband jokingly and hey if they made it to a playoff game together thinks can't be that bad.

I grab my girl and say with a smirk "yeah we just got married yesterday, this our first game together"

She wraps her arms around me and the old lady looks stunned - I couldn't keep composure and start laughing.

The old lady get's flustered and laughs calling me a liar but I say "hahah but it is our first date"

"Well you treat this lady good"
"Pfft she's gotta earn that lol"

She keeps talking and finally walks off, head to the game.

She grabs some food, I grab drinks, the seats turned out to be killer for the price. (I usually am pretty damn good at hunting for cheap tickets with a view)

We chat a bit, watch the game, I can tell she wants to me to kiss her, but I don't.

She starts taking selfies with me, she even posts one on her snapchat and instagram. So either i've got high SMV in her book or I was just her trophy that night.

This is where it kind of went weird:
Game ends, we head out, a dudes asks for a lighter, my girl and they share a joint and give one to her for the road, I play it cool saying I can't cause of work.

Chat a little bit, they burn the joint down we bail, apparently it had hash in it so she was pretty lit and had cottonmouth.

Get back to my whip and we're trying to figure out the address but I keep rambling and we start making out she laughs because she has cottonmouth.

She felt weird because she had stoner breath and cottonmouth.

We end up finding the place, driver there and park the car. I'm about to pass out so I chill outside the housing complex and we chat for a bit, we make out again.

Her friends are finally here she double checks to make sure she didn't leave anything and we makeout one last time.

I bounce....she texts me she left some stuff she got from the game in my car. (of course she did )

Overall the signs were there, she's down, but both our schedules will make this a slow burn, but I'd love a Flip flag.

Logistics were just shit, but I'm the one who wanted to see the playoff game so I knew what was going to happen going into it.

Future:
Now it's onto San Diego for a boys weekend out, my boy has a KILLER pad in downtown SD in the gaslamp quarter. A club right next to his pad....and knowing my friends drugs will be there...so it shouldn't be too hard to pull chicks from downtown.

I'll finally get some day/night game going, I plan on approaching alot, even if I'm with my boys.

Have a great weekend gents !

Post: #5264

Sounds awesome K-man. I've found filipinos to be some of the chillest people. Also I'd say hash is the devil lmao. Nice write up brah.

Post: #5265

How can Michigan's talent pool be so low? Go outside of the college towns and it can be brutal. You guys living in Cali and NYC are lucky.

Post: #5266

(04-17-2015 08:35 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  How can Michigan's talent pool be so low? Go outside of the college towns and it can be brutal. You guys living in Cali and NYC are lucky.

Man, I was talking about this with some friends the other day. Night game is almost a complete no-go here, so I rarely even bother any more, although it is warming up bit. You can somewhat circumvent the weak night game by going to those after work networking events and the art events/parties downtown can be pretty decent, but you've gotta get creative. For example, going to strip clubs and gaming strippers on a slow night. Managed to close one in Windsor a few weeks ago. I know a few guys her that fly girls in from other cities that they've been to as well.

Post: #5267

(04-17-2015 09:39 PM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:35 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  How can Michigan's talent pool be so low? Go outside of the college towns and it can be brutal. You guys living in Cali and NYC are lucky.

Man, I was talking about this with some friends the other day. Night game is almost a complete no-go here, so I rarely even bother any more, although it is warming up bit. You can somewhat circumvent the weak night game by going to those after work networking events and the art events/parties downtown can be pretty decent, but you've gotta get creative. For example, going to strip clubs and gaming strippers on a slow night. Managed to close one in Windsor a few weeks ago. I know a few guys her that fly girls in from other cities that they've been to as well.

One of the main reasons I left the state, still come back every so often though...but in addition to visiting the usual hot spots, I pipeline bitches online a couple weeks out

*Before US passport etc, you could travel through the tunnel without too much hassle...damn Windsor was a magical place

Post: #5268

(04-17-2015 10:30 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 09:39 PM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:35 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  How can Michigan's talent pool be so low? Go outside of the college towns and it can be brutal. You guys living in Cali and NYC are lucky.

Man, I was talking about this with some friends the other day. Night game is almost a complete no-go here, so I rarely even bother any more, although it is warming up bit. You can somewhat circumvent the weak night game by going to those after work networking events and the art events/parties downtown can be pretty decent, but you've gotta get creative. For example, going to strip clubs and gaming strippers on a slow night. Managed to close one in Windsor a few weeks ago. I know a few guys her that fly girls in from other cities that they've been to as well.

One of the main reasons I left the state, still come back every so often though...but in addition to visiting the usual hot spots, I pipeline bitches online a couple weeks out

*Before US passport etc, you could travel through the tunnel without too much hassle...damn Windsor was a magical place

Yup, one must think outside the box. I'm also hoping the warm weather will make a difference.

Funny how you guys talk about girls not from Michigan as the last 6 out of 7 girls I've hooked up with were not actually born here.

Is downtown Windsor a good spot for Daygame?

Post: #5269

(04-17-2015 08:35 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  How can Michigan's talent pool be so low? Go outside of the college towns and it can be brutal. You guys living in Cali and NYC are lucky.

Tis' the problem with the Midwest U.S in general. Outside of the college towns and metro areas above 750K+ it is truly a wasteland for talent. I feel really bad for any player stuck living in any place other than that. The bright side about the Midwest is that there are probably close to 100 colleges within a 4-5 hour drive radius from you man. Still a few weeks left until summer break. I know I've got a couple tours planned

Post: #5270

The girls I have been seeing all want to give me blow jobs (prob bc they haven't yet and we have only banged). I'm learning so much about have a rotation as this is my first one with 3 girls. Kinda difficult to manage and I am often forgetting who said what.. Sometimes they try to call me out on it but I ignore them.

One thing I have learned is that you gotta try and keep Friday's and Saturdays free so you can find new talent. One girl wanted to hang out tonight but I changed it up and said lets go to the beach instead. Worked like a charm now I'm free tonight. Another good tactic I use to get rid of all of them on weekends is "I'm out of town for". I used it this weekend on 2, but next weekend I really will be outa town. I'll think up sometime good

Post: #5271

Hesitate to post this here because it's written in basically every style guide, but get a professional haircut boys, for fucks sake.

I had been cutting my own hair for a couple months thinking I was doing a passable job, and finally went into the stylist today.

Came out after 20 minutes looking years younger and easily a point higher in attractiveness.

Post: #5272

Man, life can be such a cockblock sometimes.

I'm on the dancefloor with my friends and I see this girl that I opened about three weeks earlier who gave me pretty good IOIs but got pulled away by her friends. About a 7.5/8, depending on your tastes. Serbian, like me, but kinda looks like Belle Knox. We make eye contact, I smile at her. She recognizes me, runs over and gives me a big hug. So, figure I still have a good shot.

She starts grinding against me. Within a few minutes we're making out. Good so far, I think.

I pull her off the dancefloor to isolate from her friends like every other approach, and we start heading to the upstairs of the venue where it's quieter and I can run my game.

Going up the staircase and there's another guy coming down. They recognize each other, and she jumps into his arms. Within a second they're walking together the other way while I wonder what the hell just happened.

It's kinda frustrating to think that had I just turned left instead of right or stepped in a different direction, I could still have had a good chance at getting the lay. Even with all the effort that we put into our game - our looks, our clothes, our body language, and what have you - so much of our case-by-case results can be determined by nothing more than pure luck.

And girls seem to have the attention spans of goldfish nowadays. Can't think for a second that you're made, or you'll end up with your dick in your hand.

HSLD

Post: #5273

Was having a couple of beers with a mate after a football game last night and got opened by these two cougars who go for the same team as me. My mate and I chatted to them for a bit as they were good company. They wanted us to kick on to this club with them and I was toying with the idea of banging one of them as I've not done a MILF before. However as soon as she mentioned her 12 year old daughter I was out hahaha. Maybe if I'd been on a dry spell....

Post: #5274

(04-18-2015 08:15 AM)Mentavious Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 10:30 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 09:39 PM)Joga Bonito Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:35 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  How can Michigan's talent pool be so low? Go outside of the college towns and it can be brutal. You guys living in Cali and NYC are lucky.

Man, I was talking about this with some friends the other day. Night game is almost a complete no-go here, so I rarely even bother any more, although it is warming up bit. You can somewhat circumvent the weak night game by going to those after work networking events and the art events/parties downtown can be pretty decent, but you've gotta get creative. For example, going to strip clubs and gaming strippers on a slow night. Managed to close one in Windsor a few weeks ago. I know a few guys her that fly girls in from other cities that they've been to as well.

One of the main reasons I left the state, still come back every so often though...but in addition to visiting the usual hot spots, I pipeline bitches online a couple weeks out

*Before US passport etc, you could travel through the tunnel without too much hassle...damn Windsor was a magical place

Yup, one must think outside the box. I'm also hoping the warm weather will make a difference.

Funny how you guys talk about girls not from Michigan as the last 6 out of 7 girls I've hooked up with were not actually born here.

Is downtown Windsor a good spot for Daygame?

Not sure these days, we would only go clubbing out there. There was a cool spot right as you came into Canada.

I would be interested to know what else it had to offer during daylight hours

Post: #5275

Ukranian Housemate is having boy troubles.

My cards are always on the table. A chick that is north of 5'4", not tits and ass to speak of, a not so pleasant accent - I really didn't get it.

But she's been growing on me.

Anyway, cat eyes rolls over to my room, because her American borefriend doesn't have time for her.

*same shit, different toilet*

She gets to yammering, and she says a bunch of shit that catches me off guard. I deal with "sweet" American/Americanized foreign bitches for the most part, but this chick said to me

"I think a man needs a woman to be there and support him and help him be an important man"

She became infinitely more attractive at that point.

*files under, girls have game too*

I was trying to explain that
- guys do want that
- guys should want that
- American girls care more about themselves than they do about their partners

And it just wasn't making any sense to her.

Her innocence, naivete...so endearing.

Little by little this chick is making me a believer

WIA