Post: #1

if you start at proactively meeting women or you're not happy with the current state of your game or how comfortable you feel talking / flirting / leading / pulling the trigger then consider these suggestions.


- GAME ALL GIRLS -
basically, don't limit yourself to gaming your types only or the hot ones only etc. why? think about it, if you limit yourself like that then how many legit interactions will you have? 3-5 per day/night? that's really few. think how much time it will take you to get some experience by having few sporadic interactions here and there.

instead, talk/flirt to girls in general without labeling their hotness. even older ladies. for example.. you ride a bike and stop at light next to the 40 something woman, talk to her, ask about her favorite bike routes, tell her you like talking to mature people cause girls your age only care about alcohol and tv shows, tell her you like her voice and that you wish you GF would have the same, flirt like that, etc, you don't have to pull her to the fucking bushes behind you, just flirt to get another reference experience.

why?

you will develop faster. you will get more experience and internalize mechanics of social interaction faster. you can practice on all girls the same thing you need to do with your type of girls ie: opening / flirting / touching / leading / pulling [nobody says you have to bang them ]. so when you meet your type girl you will know what to do in this higher pressure situation [hot girl your type in your face can be bit stressful ]

remember that every girl has something to offer. it's much better to know/meet any girl than no girl. you never know what's up. even if she's not attractive. she can have cute friends she can introduce you to. she can social proof you in the venue [any girl is better than solo]. she can give you nice ego boost and reinforce you do something right by reacting so well to your game which amps up your confidence in general. you can strengthen your abundance by having those so so girls loving you. you can fuck with hot girls by showing them texts you receive to get some jealousy going on and show off how in demand you are.


- COMMIT TO EVERY INTERACTION -
at least try. the whole point is to not place additional value to the hot ones. that's when you might stress about messing up then get all outcome dependent and psych yourself out of it before even trying. to avoid this try to game every girl for real. it doesn't mean to be aggressive or pushy at all. it means try to engage all girls hard.

stop playing value games. instead of judging girls whether they're hot enough or not etc think how awesome it would be to get them totally hooked on you. enjoy the process of getting girls emotional and crazy about you. that should be the driving force behind your actions. that's what should turn you on, fantasizing about getting her into you and begging you to be with her. that's what got me excited, getting a girl so into about me [instead of trying to nail her asap]. that's great frame cause you're process oriented hence your ego is removed. besides, intimacy is given when girl's into you.

with that mindset when you finally meet a hottie she's just a chick in your eyes. you don't feel the need to bring your so called "A game" since you just do the same process as with every other girl.


good luck!

Post: #2

This is true. Roosh had a post titled "The worst thing you can do for your game is get laid," with the main point being that you get lazy and stop developing your skills approaching and flirting with chicks. You say "well i'll only approach the hot ones," but that's the wrong mentality. You always gotta be scanning for opportunities to sharpen that social knife.

Post: #3

(05-21-2013 04:07 PM)XXL Wrote:  instead of judging girls whether they're hot enough or not etc think how awesome it would be to get them totally hooked on you. enjoy the process of getting girls emotional and crazy about you. that should be the driving force behind your actions. that's what should turn you on, fantasizing about getting her into you and begging you to be with her. that's what got me excited, getting a girl so into about me [instead of trying to nail her asap]. that's great frame cause you're process oriented hence your ego is removed. besides, intimacy is given when girl's into you.

xxl this can be a fun thing to do

Post: #4

(05-21-2013 04:30 PM)EasyMoney Wrote:  This is true. Roosh had a post titled "The worst thing you can do for your game is get laid," with the main point being that you get lazy and stop developing your skills approaching and flirting with chicks. You say "well i'll only approach the hot ones," but that's the wrong mentality. You always gotta be scanning for opportunities to sharpen that social knife.

yeah, back then i once thought "if this game shit is so potent then i should be able to get these girls crazy about me when i give my 100% to every girl.. hmm.. let's try" and this thought switched my focus from 'get sex asap' to 'overwhelm her'. because i was fully focused on the process i was sharpening the knife nonstop and the results were natural by products of it. and by engaging them hard [instead of half ass blaze aloof] these girls saw i was interested in them.

(05-21-2013 04:54 PM)GenJx Wrote:  

(05-21-2013 04:07 PM)XXL Wrote:  instead of judging girls whether they're hot enough or not etc think how awesome it would be to get them totally hooked on you. enjoy the process of getting girls emotional and crazy about you. that should be the driving force behind your actions. that's what should turn you on, fantasizing about getting her into you and begging you to be with her. that's what got me excited, getting a girl so into about me [instead of trying to nail her asap]. that's great frame cause you're process oriented hence your ego is removed. besides, intimacy is given when girl's into you.

xxl this can be a fun thing to do

it is FUN!

in my case when interaction was just ok and thing were going quite well with some girl i thought "no! this is not enough!" and gamed her more trying every angle possible and really amplifying everything i was doing... doing push/pull, "i hate you", i "love you", disqualifying, "you can leave if you want", flirting with other girls in front her saying "she's hot you know she should join us", qualifying, "who are you anyway i don't fall for some random skanks", rejecting calls, texting sweet, "you make me feel so special", "get off me i don't deserve you", break up sex, make up sex, etc.

it was so funny. even in university my buddies were asking me "dude you fucking her?". cause while they just chat with them i was always flirty and pushing it hard doing all those cliche stuff like roleplays, adventure projections, beating shittests with witty comebacks, high fives + pull in closer moves, handshakes + spins, sometimes standing really close to girls talked to etc. or just doing over the top things like i remember once i came to the class and there were 3 so so girls standing together. as one started talking to me i started obnoxiously checking her out going from her feet to her head suuuuuper slowly with a horny face hahaha. these 2 other girls watching this almost exploded from omg! and then to amplify it i talked to her staring straight at her neckline saying "i'm listening to you but they talking to me as well". seems creepy as fuck but that girl had the biggest fucking smile i saw that day, she was loving every second of it

Post: #5

^But were you even attracted to her? Did you smash?

I see what you're saying here. I'm a gregarious, friendly person not by nature, but because it usually gets me what I want. However, after going to college for a year, I quickly learned that you engaging too many people wears you thin, and personally, I think it makes for a lot of superficial interactions.

Maybe I'm just not engaging people as deeply and intimately as I thought I was. I'm gonna be in school this summer, so I'll try this out myself.

Post: #6

Post: #7

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Post: #8

Maybe during the day, I can chat with anyone including old man, older moms, fat cashier, some average girl, some dude etc.

But I am not sure if it's a good idea to approach lower (than you) quality chicks at a bar. It's just so much easier to talk to 7, sweet looking next door chicks than 5 ugly and fat chicks who are bitter. It makes me speechless when they act like a 9 girl. you can't claim 'hey I wasn't even hitting on her WTF?' from third point of view, you were hitting on a ugly fatty at a bar and you got rejected. how it's not going to affect your mental states?

(05-21-2013 04:30 PM)EasyMoney Wrote:  This is true. Roosh had a post titled "The worst thing you can do for your game is get laid," with the main point being that you get lazy and stop developing your skills approaching and flirting with chicks. You say "well i'll only approach the hot ones," but that's the wrong mentality. You always gotta be scanning for opportunities to sharpen that social knife.

Post: #9

(05-31-2013 04:09 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  Maybe during the day, I can chat with anyone including old man, older moms, fat cashier, some average girl, some dude etc.

But I am not sure if it's a good idea to approach lower (than you) quality chicks at a bar. It's just so much easier to talk to 7, sweet looking next door chicks than 5 ugly and fat chicks who are bitter. It makes me speechless when they act like a 9 girl. you can't claim 'hey I wasn't even hitting on her WTF?' from third point of view, you were hitting on a ugly fatty at a bar and you got rejected. how it's not going to affect your mental states?

(05-21-2013 04:30 PM)EasyMoney Wrote:  This is true. Roosh had a post titled "The worst thing you can do for your game is get laid," with the main point being that you get lazy and stop developing your skills approaching and flirting with chicks. You say "well i'll only approach the hot ones," but that's the wrong mentality. You always gotta be scanning for opportunities to sharpen that social knife.

Agreed, don;t ever practice game on fatties. If she is that physically repulsive and you open her and she has had anything to drink, she might try to pounce on you and take you home.

I agree with the spirit of the OP's and that it can be useful to have conversations with old people and learn from their wisdom and life experience but I don't think you want to run game on worthless fatties, talking to them is often just depressing especially since part of the take away will be that they think what they are doing is OK and it is OK to be fat and disgusting because guys will still approach them because they are a beautiful snowflake.

Post: #10

(05-31-2013 02:46 AM)XXL Wrote:  

i don't agree at with "engaging too many people wears you thin, and personally, I think it makes for a lot of superficial interactions". why?

When I talk to people, they don't usually care until I show a genuine interest in what they do or what they're interested in. The change in someone's face when you ask something like "So...why exactly are you focusing on this?" or "Why's that important to you?" is just so rewarding to me. It's like I've snapped them out of some trance of social aloofness that people find acceptable these days.

Quote:oh hey thanks for keeping the spot for me you're lovely.. oh wait do i even know you? where do i know you from? ah you look like that girl with a braid.. a. jolie.. except you're shorter.. yes you are ok let's just see [and we stand super close to measure our height].. ok so since we got that figured out and i was right you buy me abc.. yes you lost the bet be an adult and face the facts.. you're little brat my little sister is more mature than you.. i like how you can stand for yourself i love that trait finally i met woman my type.. blablabla...

See, I would never think to talk to a woman or anyone like that. I was always under the impression that focusing on her physical traits, especially the one's that she can't change, is a no-no.

But I suppose it's not really the literal content of what you're saying that matters; it's more the emotional swings that you are establishing in her. I remember reading somewhere that when men speak, we focus on information, but women focus more on emotions.

Although I can be somewhat meandering when I converse with women, it's true that my focus is almost always information. My goal is usually find some common thread that we share, and then we just talk about that in more detail.

Quote:see? i was engaging HER. i wasn't talking about classes or some random irrelevant nonsense. i was talking about her. what she should[not] do. how she looks smells moves acts. what i feel about her. etc. it was like i was a painter and she was my canvas to use to express my ideas/imagination. in other words i was gaming MYSELF by using girls. nothing was for girls. it was ALL for me.

Post: #11

(05-31-2013 04:09 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  Maybe during the day, I can chat with anyone including old man, older moms, fat cashier, some average girl, some dude etc.

But I am not sure if it's a good idea to approach lower (than you) quality chicks at a bar. It's just so much easier to talk to 7, sweet looking next door chicks than 5 ugly and fat chicks who are bitter. It makes me speechless when they act like a 9 girl. you can't claim 'hey I wasn't even hitting on her WTF?' from third point of view, you were hitting on a ugly fatty at a bar and you got rejected. how it's not going to affect your mental states?

you think it's bad idea to socialize with those girls cause you prefer to go out post up scan the options and pick girls you're attracted to and leave. and that's fine if all you want to do is to get laid asap.

but if someone wants to get more experience and improve his social intuition then it's better to game all IMO. this basically means that every girl is a possibility to that sharpen social knife. so having that mindset rejections/attitudes do not affect your mental state cause you socialize just to learn and improve flexibility.

besides, some short bitter fattie gives you a hard time for no legit reason. so what? is this a joke? how can that dumb aesthetically displeasing creature affect you? 2 nights ago you had beautiful graceful woman pleasing you. how can this ogre be relevant here? personally, i'd want to toy with her even more

(05-31-2013 07:49 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  Agreed, don;t ever practice game on fatties. If she is that physically repulsive and you open her and she has had anything to drink, she might try to pounce on you and take you home.

I agree with the spirit of the OP's and that it can be useful to have conversations with old people and learn from their wisdom and life experience but I don't think you want to run game on worthless fatties, talking to them is often just depressing especially since part of the take away will be that they think what they are doing is OK and it is OK to be fat and disgusting because guys will still approach them because they are a beautiful snowflake.

face the fact, it's depressing only if you expect others to validate you therefore you can feel better about yourself. in other words you want your game to work every time. in other words you just CARE too much. believe me, if you were just a happy dude in a bar with no need to have all people to like you then you wouldn't care about stuff at all. you'd just talk shit and have a good time with people around.

(05-31-2013 08:55 AM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 02:46 AM)XXL Wrote:  oh hey thanks for keeping the spot for me you're lovely.. oh wait do i even know you? where do i know you from? ah you look like that girl with a braid.. a. jolie.. except you're shorter.. yes you are ok let's just see [and we stand super close to measure our height].. ok so since we got that figured out and i was right you buy me abc.. yes you lost the bet be an adult and face the facts.. you're little brat my little sister is more mature than you.. i like how you can stand for yourself i love that trait finally i met woman my type.. blablabla...

See, I would never think to talk to a woman or anyone like that. I was always under the impression that focusing on her physical traits, especially the one's that she can't change, is a no-no.

But I suppose it's not really the literal content of what you're saying that matters; it's more the emotional swings that you are establishing in her. I remember reading somewhere that when men speak, we focus on information, but women focus more on emotions.

Although I can be somewhat meandering when I converse with women, it's true that my focus is almost always information. My goal is usually find some common thread that we share, and then we just talk about that in more detail.

you're right. the height thing was just teasing. i could easily recover from that if it was necessary. but again, to break down this particular example, i went in and engaged her from the first second with roleplay [her saving the spot for me] she smiled and said something that added to the roleplay so she was open to flirting. also i was relaxed and my voice/BL/EC was on point so she was surprised and excited about flirty convo with new guy. she was open flirty so i pushed it further with +/-. + was comparing her to a.jolie. - was height tease. she was reacting and . i did quick physical escalation under the excuse of measuring height. boom! another emotional spike. it started to snowball. another foreplay "you lost you buy me abc". she was like "what?!" [negative]. voila, another emotional reaction. this time bad. perfect reason to blame her for being immature [girls hate that]. as expected she flipped a bit haha. perfect excuse to . i appreciated her pride and qualified her. the least expected reaction from me. she's mindfucked and hooked hard. when chick is in that headspace you can say A LOT of bullshit and it's just fun in the moment.

that's always been my goal, to quickly distract her from stiff "boy meets girl" situation like hello how are you i'm xxl and you? and engage her emotionally with fun/absurd/unpredictable stuff. like yesterday, chick on bike stopped at same lights with me and i said "oh hello omg you decided to go ride a bike in the same time and place.. that's destiny.. i love you.. let's grab hands and ride like that together..". same thing. absurd fun and unpredictable. she smiled. she knew it was major bullshit. but it was funny and creative and you know just FUN way to strike up a conversation. conclusion, stop being so caught up in having nice polite 'verbally accurate' conversation and engage girls and make it fun.

(05-31-2013 08:55 AM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 02:46 AM)XXL Wrote:  see? i was engaging HER. i wasn't talking about classes or some random irrelevant nonsense. i was talking about her. what she should[not] do. how she looks smells moves acts. what i feel about her. etc. it was like i was a painter and she was my canvas to use to express my ideas/imagination. in other words i was gaming MYSELF by using girls. nothing was for girls. it was ALL for me.

Could you explain the "gaming yourself" concept in a little more detail? The way I understand it, you're screening the girl for traits that you like and getting her to qualify herself to your standards.

gaming yourself means simply saying/doing things that YOU enjoy. you game yourself by saying words you find funny, by telling your inside jokes she doesn't understand, by doing stupid bets that you find amusing, by taking her to the places you like to go to, by showing her who you are. so when you tell a story you do cause you recalled it spontaneously and it's funny to you, not because you think the girl would like to hear it from you. you game yourself. you do what you want to do, not what girl would like. when you come up with stupid nickname for her, you don't think "how to make it the best witty nickname ever so that she will love my intellect". it's not for her to be impressed by it. you come up with some absurd stuff that you find hilarious. whether she flips laughs it doesn't matter it's still fun experience to her.

in that example above, did she actually like that height or immature tease? did i say that cause it was proper thing to say? not really. it was arousing. it spiked her emotions. it added something to the overall good vibe of the interaction.

Post: #12

We can learn something from everyone, but we can only bang chicks that get our dick hard.

So, if you want to improve your social skills, be social.

But, if you want to bang hot chicks, talk to hot chicks.

It all depends what you want and what you need.

If you are socially handicapped, you should talk to everyone.

If you just want to get better at gaming 8s, then only approach 8s, 9s, and 10s.

Post: #13

(05-31-2013 03:15 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 04:09 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  Maybe during the day, I can chat with anyone including old man, older moms, fat cashier, some average girl, some dude etc.

But I am not sure if it's a good idea to approach lower (than you) quality chicks at a bar. It's just so much easier to talk to 7, sweet looking next door chicks than 5 ugly and fat chicks who are bitter. It makes me speechless when they act like a 9 girl. you can't claim 'hey I wasn't even hitting on her WTF?' from third point of view, you were hitting on a ugly fatty at a bar and you got rejected. how it's not going to affect your mental states?

you think it's bad idea to socialize with those girls cause you prefer to go out post up scan the options and pick girls you're attracted to and leave. and that's fine if all you want to do is to get laid asap.

but if someone wants to get more experience and improve his social intuition then it's better to game all IMO. this basically means that every girl is a possibility to that sharpen social knife. so having that mindset rejections/attitudes do not affect your mental state cause you socialize just to learn and improve flexibility.

besides, some short bitter fattie gives you a hard time for no legit reason. so what? is this a joke? how can that dumb aesthetically displeasing creature affect you? 2 nights ago you had beautiful graceful woman pleasing you. how can this ogre be relevant here? personally, i'd want to toy with her even more

(05-31-2013 07:49 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  Agreed, don;t ever practice game on fatties. If she is that physically repulsive and you open her and she has had anything to drink, she might try to pounce on you and take you home.

I agree with the spirit of the OP's and that it can be useful to have conversations with old people and learn from their wisdom and life experience but I don't think you want to run game on worthless fatties, talking to them is often just depressing especially since part of the take away will be that they think what they are doing is OK and it is OK to be fat and disgusting because guys will still approach them because they are a beautiful snowflake.

face the fact, it's depressing only if you expect others to validate you therefore you can feel better about yourself. in other words you want your game to work every time. in other words you just CARE too much. believe me, if you were just a happy dude in a bar with no need to have all people to like you then you wouldn't care about stuff at all. you'd just talk shit and have a good time with people around.

(05-31-2013 08:55 AM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 02:46 AM)XXL Wrote:  oh hey thanks for keeping the spot for me you're lovely.. oh wait do i even know you? where do i know you from? ah you look like that girl with a braid.. a. jolie.. except you're shorter.. yes you are ok let's just see [and we stand super close to measure our height].. ok so since we got that figured out and i was right you buy me abc.. yes you lost the bet be an adult and face the facts.. you're little brat my little sister is more mature than you.. i like how you can stand for yourself i love that trait finally i met woman my type.. blablabla...

See, I would never think to talk to a woman or anyone like that. I was always under the impression that focusing on her physical traits, especially the one's that she can't change, is a no-no.

But I suppose it's not really the literal content of what you're saying that matters; it's more the emotional swings that you are establishing in her. I remember reading somewhere that when men speak, we focus on information, but women focus more on emotions.

Although I can be somewhat meandering when I converse with women, it's true that my focus is almost always information. My goal is usually find some common thread that we share, and then we just talk about that in more detail.

you're right. the height thing was just teasing. i could easily recover from that if it was necessary. but again, to break down this particular example, i went in and engaged her from the first second with roleplay [her saving the spot for me] she smiled and said something that added to the roleplay so she was open to flirting. also i was relaxed and my voice/BL/EC was on point so she was surprised and excited about flirty convo with new guy. she was open flirty so i pushed it further with +/-. + was comparing her to a.jolie. - was height tease. she was reacting and . i did quick physical escalation under the excuse of measuring height. boom! another emotional spike. it started to snowball. another foreplay "you lost you buy me abc". she was like "what?!" [negative]. voila, another emotional reaction. this time bad. perfect reason to blame her for being immature [girls hate that]. as expected she flipped a bit haha. perfect excuse to . i appreciated her pride and qualified her. the least expected reaction from me. she's mindfucked and hooked hard. when chick is in that headspace you can say A LOT of bullshit and it's just fun in the moment.

that's always been my goal, to quickly distract her from stiff "boy meets girl" situation like hello how are you i'm xxl and you? and engage her emotionally with fun/absurd/unpredictable stuff. like yesterday, chick on bike stopped at same lights with me and i said "oh hello omg you decided to go ride a bike in the same time and place.. that's destiny.. i love you.. let's grab hands and ride like that together..". same thing. absurd fun and unpredictable. she smiled. she knew it was major bullshit. but it was funny and creative and you know just FUN way to strike up a conversation. conclusion, stop being so caught up in having nice polite 'verbally accurate' conversation and engage girls and make it fun.

(05-31-2013 08:55 AM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

(05-31-2013 02:46 AM)XXL Wrote:  see? i was engaging HER. i wasn't talking about classes or some random irrelevant nonsense. i was talking about her. what she should[not] do. how she looks smells moves acts. what i feel about her. etc. it was like i was a painter and she was my canvas to use to express my ideas/imagination. in other words i was gaming MYSELF by using girls. nothing was for girls. it was ALL for me.

Could you explain the "gaming yourself" concept in a little more detail? The way I understand it, you're screening the girl for traits that you like and getting her to qualify herself to your standards.

gaming yourself means simply saying/doing things that YOU enjoy. you game yourself by saying words you find funny, by telling your inside jokes she doesn't understand, by doing stupid bets that you find amusing, by taking her to the places you like to go to, by showing her who you are. so when you tell a story you do cause you recalled it spontaneously and it's funny to you, not because you think the girl would like to hear it from you. you game yourself. you do what you want to do, not what girl would like. when you come up with stupid nickname for her, you don't think "how to make it the best witty nickname ever so that she will love my intellect". it's not for her to be impressed by it. you come up with some absurd stuff that you find hilarious. whether she flips laughs it doesn't matter it's still fun experience to her.

in that example above, did she actually like that height or immature tease? did i say that cause it was proper thing to say? not really. it was arousing. it spiked her emotions. it added something to the overall good vibe of the interaction.

Beautiful. I would +1 this but someone already has, is that taboo?