Post: #51

I believe this is what you're looking for:

Post: #52

Never used POF before, but jumped on for shits and giggles since I'm recovering from food poisoning.

It won't let me search 18 year olds at all, and I'm 28. The lowest it will let me search is 19, but if I set the search to 18, it automatically bumps it to 22. Have to manually set it at 19 or 20 if I want to search those ages.

I can't find any girls on there that don't have at least one (generally multiple) of the following flaws:
1. Fat
2. Has kids
3. Terrible tattoos
4. Shitty attitude

What a terrible fucking place to find chicks. You guys using this have it rough. I feel for you.

Post: #53

I used to use POF in the Philippines. Needless to say large age differences over there are acceptable and common.

POF blocks Indonesia.

Post: #54

Online dating has never worked for me anyways. Here's a few notes:

1) There's something called Love Systems who has (or had) an instructor named Nick Hoss I think who was quoted as saying something like the biggest age gap you can realistically game is 10 years anyways.

2) I went out partying for the last 3 days and noticed there were more Asian Male / White Female couples (or at least appeared to be about 6 of them) which is more than I any old guy / young females out there for the last year or so! This means the smallest type of IR ralationships out-numbers the age gap thing. Maybe because my radar isn't looking for them or I'm not noticing but I don't see grey haired 50 year olds with 24 year olds ever! I'm not even talking holding hands or kissing -- I just mean even walking down the street together.

3) It's funny how when this topic comes up that every one automatically mentions Hugh Hefner or George Clooney and suddenly the argument is closed! Seriously --- just sit at a mall, wander down the street and hang out at the bars tomorrow and see how many greying guys are out with hot beach bunnies!

4) This whole move by POF is likely from young women's requests --- for every one saying old creepy men need not apply in their profile -- there's probably a lot of others that voiced this "silently" to the admin. I think women are too unfamiliar or "polite" to set their admin settings to not receive message from old guys.

5) I don't think older gentlemen are sending sexual messages to the young babes. Just the fact of receivng a copy and paste message like "Hi how are you today?" ect will do it. Imagine an ADD stupid high value blonde receives a generic message like that and looks at the profile and thinks creepy and then reports to the admin that some creepy guy is creeping her out. When in fact --- the older guys are probably less horny, less testosterone driven, ect. Unless you have a certain kind of value ect --- they act as if you do not have the "right" to even contact them.

Post: #55

(05-20-2013 05:34 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I can't help but think some of the younger guys here are pissed because they can't message cougs or grand-cougs no more.

El Mech is always talking about day gaming.

That is the next frontier for everyman.

You have to be super smooth.

Why didn't POF beat out OKCupid in NYC?

Maybe it's because they have dip-shits like Markus working for them.

Maybe it's because they have a name inspired by the saying "there's plenty of fish in the sea" - this is the what you tell someone to comfort them when they get rejected. The burn of rejection is important.

OKCupid just sounds like some Japanese tourists idea of what American dating is.

A word of advice to anyone who is starting up a dating website.. don't use the word "fish" in the title. There are too many insinuations.

You might as well call your site "Plenty of Vaginosis", "Plenty of Yeast" or "Very Little Douching"

Post: #56

As an older guy, this totally pisses me off, so Markus will be happy about that, I guess. His site is shit, but it's the most popular by far in the tiny place where I live (OKC has two members in my vicinity!).

In the last few months I've had several interesting online exchanges with 20-somethings, and a pleasant meet up with a 31 year old (I'm late 40s). She wanted to meet me again, but I decided not to take it any further. Now that sort of scenario cannot arise again via POF.

I saw a profile yesterday that seemed to match me very well, but she's 15 years younger, so I can't message her. I added her to my Favourites, hoping to draw her attention, and she viewed my profile, but SHE can't write to ME either! It's fucked up. Treat adults like adults, Markus, you stupid cunt.

As someone said, it's already possible to fix tight age limits and many other limits on who can message you. If chicks are too dumb to work that out, they deserve all they get. Guys will just lie about their age, as I will from now on. Unfortunately it means creating a new account because you can't change your age after a few days. Well done, Markus, you just succeeded in increasing the amount of lying that goes on in online dating, as if there wasn't enough already!

Rant over.

Post: #57

The whole POF crew is a white knight army. I know some of them personally and one of them just got engaged to a chick he met on POF... and controls the shit out of him.

Post: #58

Yet....on DominicanCupid...

I am constantly being "added", "liked" or IM'ed by some chick 15 years younger than me. I hope the owner of DominicanCupid does not talk with this guy.

Post: #59

Seriously guys, fuck POF and online altogether.

Just because every one else is doing it, doesn't mean it's worthwhile.

Stick to IN PERSON DAY or NIGHT gaming. Not only will you have a much higher "batting average", it will improve you as a person.

I gave up online dating for smoking. Has been a good switch so far.

Post: #60

(05-21-2013 06:06 AM)Acute Angle Wrote:  As an older guy, this totally pisses me off, so Markus will be happy about that, I guess. His site is shit, but it's the most popular by far in the tiny place where I live (OKC has two members in my vicinity!).

In the last few months I've had several interesting online exchanges with 20-somethings, and a pleasant meet up with a 31 year old (I'm late 40s). She wanted to meet me again, but I decided not to take it any further. Now that sort of scenario cannot arise again via POF.

I saw a profile yesterday that seemed to match me very well, but she's 15 years younger, so I can't message her. I added her to my Favourites, hoping to draw her attention, and she viewed my profile, but SHE can't write to ME either! It's fucked up. Treat adults like adults, Markus, you stupid cunt.

As someone said, it's already possible to fix tight age limits and many other limits on who can message you. If chicks are too dumb to work that out, they deserve all they get. Guys will just lie about their age, as I will from now on. Unfortunately it means creating a new account because you can't change your age after a few days. Well done, Markus, you just succeeded in increasing the amount of lying that goes on in online dating, as if there wasn't enough already!

Rant over.

I don't use the site but have a profile, luckily I did not list my real age but listed myself as being six years younger.

Post: #61

(05-21-2013 08:48 AM)presidentcarter Wrote:  I gave up online dating for smoking. Has been a good switch so far.

Investment of the decade.

Post: #62

I met a 20 year old on there when I was 35 who was talking bad about someone she knew for dating guys 15 years younger than her. Uh yeah.

Post: #63

(05-20-2013 05:26 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Who benefits?

Seeking arrangement.

Anyone want to start up another Seeking arrangement competitor?

Im down, inbox me?

Post: #64

(05-21-2013 02:31 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Never used POF before, but jumped on for shits and giggles since I'm recovering from food poisoning.

It won't let me search 18 year olds at all, and I'm 28. The lowest it will let me search is 19, but if I set the search to 18, it automatically bumps it to 22. Have to manually set it at 19 or 20 if I want to search those ages.

I can't find any girls on there that don't have at least one (generally multiple) of the following flaws:
1. Fat
2. Has kids
3. Terrible tattoos
4. Shitty attitude

What a terrible fucking place to find chicks. You guys using this have it rough. I feel for you.

Good thing I lied about my age and put 29. It's defaulting me to the same age. Honestly I wouldn't want anything younger than 21 so we'll see what happens. Anything that subsides the avalanche of messages from betas overwhelming these women could be a benefit. It does however give credence to the +/- 14 is not true.

Post: #65

The fuck is this? I am listed as 29 and it will only let me search for 20 year olds and above. If I try to search for 18 or 19 year olds it goes to 22 instead... ?

Post: #66

(05-21-2013 07:17 AM)trainwreck Wrote:  The whole POF crew is a white knight army. I know some of them personally and one of them just got engaged to a chick he met on POF... and controls the shit out of him.

Do you mean the POF forum?

Post: #67

Markus and POF is probably the best example of dumb luck being more important than anything else in business (and in life, really).

I read an article about the guy a few years ago where he talked about how he started POF as basically an experiment to help him learn to code. He never did any advertising and somehow the site managed to blow up over the next few years. The site itself has always been a complete piece of shit from a design an functionality perspective, but it's never mattered. It's basically like that dive college bar that everyone goes to for some reason, so the owner/management feels no need to upgrade. As far as I know the guy still has under 10 employees and has no plans to expand the business or start another site because he'd rather play computer games and RISK all day. It's like he knows POF was dumb luck that he couldn't hope to replicate because he has no special business or tech acumen. He was just in the right place at the right time and smashed the ball out of the park on his first at-bat.

Now he says the site basically runs itself and he puts in about an hour of work a day, while cashing checks upwards of $1 million per month.

All that, and he still feels the need to cockblock dudes with this ridiculous rule.

That's some seriously deep rooted beta/white knight tendencies. What a chode. Will give him credit on his hustle, though, even if POF's massive success was mostly luck he still took the initiative to get it started.

Here is the article about him: http://www.inc.com/magazine/20090101/and...ng-in.html

Post: #68

(05-22-2013 02:28 AM)scorpion Wrote:  Now he says the site basically runs itself and he puts in about an hour of work a day, while cashing checks upwards of $1 million per month.

Really?? Damn. Talk about some passive income.

Post: #69

Nothing to see here. The girls bitch and complain, then they get their way. Isn't that the way the world works now?

Post: #70

(05-22-2013 02:28 AM)scorpion Wrote:  Markus and POF is probably the best example of dumb luck being more important than anything else in business (and in life, really).

I read an article about the guy a few years ago where he talked about how he started POF as basically an experiment to help him learn to code. He never did any advertising and somehow the site managed to blow up over the next few years. The site itself has always been a complete piece of shit from a design an functionality perspective, but it's never mattered. It's basically like that dive college bar that everyone goes to for some reason, so the owner/management feels no need to upgrade. As far as I know the guy still has under 10 employees and has no plans to expand the business or start another site because he'd rather play computer games and RISK all day. It's like he knows POF was dumb luck that he couldn't hope to replicate because he has no special business or tech acumen. He was just in the right place at the right time and smashed the ball out of the park on his first at-bat.

Now he says the site basically runs itself and he puts in about an hour of work a day, while cashing checks upwards of $1 million per month.

All that, and he still feels the need to cockblock dudes with this ridiculous rule.

That's some seriously deep rooted beta/white knight tendencies. What a chode. Will give him credit on his hustle, though, even if POF's massive success was mostly luck he still took the initiative to get it started.

Here is the article about him: http://www.inc.com/magazine/20090101/and...ng-in.html

Damn. Not too bad.

What made it become so popular?

Why do people even use it?

Post: #71

Thinking about this a bit more, if women hate the idea of older men chasing younger women, the best way women can combat this is to try to lower the average age of marriage. It will: 1) Take a larger number of younger females off the market and 2) Take more older men off the market.

As long as the age of first marriage keeps inching up, it means more people are in the market for much longer. And men that get older don't start magically becoming attracted to 35 year old women. They are still going to be optimally attracted to women in their 20s. So you end up with intense competition for them as men in the 20, 30s, 40s, 50s that are single are all fighting for that same demographic of 18-30 year old women. If these guys had all settled down by their mid-20s(like my dad did), everyone would pretty much be paired with someone close to their own age.

I don't think it's men pushing back the marriage age, even though some savvy men are obviously benefiting from it by having a few decades of casual sex. Women's entrance into the workforce and educational demands have made early marriage a thing of the past for the most part. And the inevitable outcome is by the time they are ready to settle down, they are past their physical prime and men don't value her education and career attainment as much as they value her youth and beauty. It must suck when these women come to the realization that 25-year-old unaccomplished hottie is seen as more marriageable than a 42-year-old never-married attorney. It's women who are driving this change by their shift in priorities from marriage and family to career and independence. Marry early and men chasing younger women becomes a non-issue.

Post: #72

Dear Markus,

Thank you for getting rid of our toughest competition.

Signed,

Guys In Their Mid-To-Late Twenties

Post: #73

(05-20-2013 11:37 PM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  I agree with Urban nerd. About 3-4 weeks ago I changed around my profile a bit, dropping my age 3 or 4 years, increasing my income way above what I make, and included a few comments like, "I know how to make a woman happy," something ambivalent that it could either be from my wallet or my enormous penis. Probably getting between double and triple response rate from under 25.

I have dates tuesday through saturday this week, and I am supposed to have a 3 some with (2) 19 year olds over the weekend. It's never been like this for me before.

Additionally, yeah what he is doing is gay, but it's his website, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. It's clearly a bad business move, kind of like new coke. Let's see if it lasts.

Which city/ country are you in?

Post: #74

Boston.

Post: #75

LowerCaseG,

What age did you go down to?