^What is interesting is it is the young people of Scotland that want out of the UK. In fact, if you talk to young Scots, it is clear they want Scotland to become more of a Scandinavian country than an anglo one.

Alex Salmond even said an independent Scotland would join the Nordic Council!!!!!!!!!

I wonder what caused this? What caused the Scots to completely diverge on their political outlooks from the rest of the UK?

Clickhole Wrote:Should The U.S. Deploy Troops To Scotland?

A tragedy is unfolding in Scotland.

One glance at this week’s headlines reveals that the region’s fractious political situation is intensifying, with separatist activists gaining more and more support every day. Barring something drastic, Scotland seems bound inexorably for a cataclysm.

Can the United States stand idly by as Scotland descends into civil war?

Scotland has just 5,000 combat troops, hardly enough to defend its government against the more than 1 million rebels claiming allegiance to the radical group YES who already are taking to the streets in droves.

In such circumstances, is inaction justifiable? How many Scots need to die before Obama says “Enough is enough” and steps in?

The United States has a moral imperative to intervene, starting immediately with air raids to break the militant separatists before they gain a stranglehold on power. But that will not be enough. We need boots on the ground as soon and in as great numbers as possible.

Scotland may yet recover from the devastating strife that has rent its populace in two. But it will take nothing less than a full-scale U.S. ground invasion to secure even a faint hope that years down the road, the Scots may govern themselves and, perhaps, hold democratic elections.

http://www.clickhole.com/article/should-...e=facebook

The next 48 to 72 hours in Scotland is going to be complete chaos in my opinion.

The incident yesterday with Ed Milliband just up the road from me was pretty horrendous. (He was basically silenced by a group of yes supporters and had to leave).

whoever "wins" there will be trouble.

Personally I would like to see Scotland remain in the UK, but I have a feeling they will vote to leave.

If they do leave I wish them well for the future as an independent nation.

I believe that some form of compromise will be reached and that they will be allowed to keep the £ in some form of currency union, despite the politicians saying that they can't

It's actually a sign of strength in the UK democratic process that this vote is taking place, I can't see the Spanish government allowing a similar vote there for regions wanting to be a separate country.

David Cameron faces Tory 'bloodbath' over 'unfair' cash for Scotland:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/s...tland.html

^LOL! Cameron's "vow" to Scotland is already falling apart.

Even if there is a no vote on Thursday, there is still going to be a shitstorm in the UK.

A great campaign from one of the best comics out there [though forcefully semi-retired by the BBC], Frankie Boyle:





Now while one hand we may think that this is going towards another Norway type socialist welfare state that depends on oil, we must respect a proud people's right to govern themselves.

Now I'd like to think that the manly Scots will not go the pussy-feminist way, but then again the Vikings did...

However even politically this helps the conservatives in England, as has been already stated, and removes the Scottish from being forced allies of the USA in its many wars.

In the end, even if I may disagree with socialism, this to me is more a libertarian victory for the oppressed against the posh pommies in London.

(09-17-2014 12:34 PM)Haig Wrote:  The next 48 to 72 hours in Scotland is going to be complete chaos in my opinion.

The incident yesterday with Ed Milliband just up the road from me was pretty horrendous. (He was basically silenced by a group of yes supporters and had to leave).

whoever "wins" there will be trouble.

Ed Miliband was silenced and had to abscond with tail b/w legs? Horrendous is not the word I would use.

Anyway, Scottish Independence is an idea whose time has come. It will facilitate a move right-wards in both Scotland and England.

As part of the UK, the Scots see themselves as "minorities" and so reliably engage in the grievance-mongering that is the defining political trait of "minorities" the world over (even wildly successful ones like American jews and Asians that have no right to any grievance real or imagined.) With their own country at last, the Scots will inevitably shift to the right. Without the Scots to constitute a huge Labour base, so will England.

...So we know it won't happen. Scotland will "vote" no, guaranteed.

Hey Rekuler,

While I don't agree with the politics of Ed Miliband, I also don't agree with the Social Justice Warrior tactics that has been used by a lot of the Yes crowd.

Freedom of speech will only be tolerated if you are progressive.

Scotland will never be a "right-wing" country as socialism/tribalism is so ingrained in the culture here that Scotland will stagnate and go round in circles.

Tomorrow is the big vote and I'm too excited to sleep already, I'm feeling very confident of a yes vote at moment. There have been thousands of people out in glasgow every day for the last week celebrating and partying in anticipation of yes. My own social media is full of people switching to yes. The polls that show parity are very suspicious when it's hard to find a single no voter is most streets.

There was a debate on moments ago on newsnight featuring yes, no, and undecided voters. By the end the entirety of the undecided voters had moved to yes. The tide has shifted.

Best of luck, man.

This whole thing feels like the first Obama campaign.

(09-17-2014 06:05 PM)Statsi Wrote:  Tomorrow is the big vote and I'm too excited to sleep already, I'm feeling very confident of a yes vote at moment. There have been thousands of people out in glasgow every day for the last week celebrating and partying in anticipation of yes. My own social media is full of people switching to yes. The polls that show parity are very suspicious when it's hard to find a single no voter is most streets.

There was a debate on moments ago on newsnight featuring yes, no, and undecided voters. By the end the entirety of the undecided voters had moved to yes. The tide has shifted.

Hope he is wrong. The vast majority of people outside Scotland don't want then to leave. Stronger together united as one.

(09-17-2014 06:05 PM)Statsi Wrote:  Tomorrow is the big vote and I'm too excited to sleep already, I'm feeling very confident of a yes vote at moment. There have been thousands of people out in glasgow every day for the last week celebrating and partying in anticipation of yes. My own social media is full of people switching to yes. The polls that show parity are very suspicious when it's hard to find a single no voter is most streets.

There was a debate on moments ago on newsnight featuring yes, no, and undecided voters. By the end the entirety of the undecided voters had moved to yes. The tide has shifted.

I really hope so.

It won't be long, in the event of a yes-vote, before the yessers splinter into their respective pre-election groups and begin turning on each other.

Seeing Salmond and his crew of outright liars facing up to the task ahead of them will provide much glee south of the border.

The prospect of Labour never governing the UK again is a major relief also.

Watching this madness unfold will be quite entertaining.

Slightly off tangent. Lot of people talk about Salmond but what do people think of nicola sturgeon? She seems quite an aggressive type.

(09-17-2014 07:22 PM)LemonDrink Wrote:  Slightly off tangent. Lot of people talk about Salmond but what do people think of nicola sturgeon? She seems quite an aggressive type.

I've worked with her a few times in Govan south meetings and rallies, she's nice enough. The televised debates themselves devolved quickly into bickering, but that's pretty standard for uk politics. She seems very popular among those she works with, such as the nhs staffers while she was minister for health. It didn't surprise me that in scotland the nhs has been largely yes.

(09-17-2014 07:08 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 06:05 PM)Statsi Wrote:  Tomorrow is the big vote and I'm too excited to sleep already, I'm feeling very confident of a yes vote at moment. There have been thousands of people out in glasgow every day for the last week celebrating and partying in anticipation of yes. My own social media is full of people switching to yes. The polls that show parity are very suspicious when it's hard to find a single no voter is most streets.

There was a debate on moments ago on newsnight featuring yes, no, and undecided voters. By the end the entirety of the undecided voters had moved to yes. The tide has shifted.

I really hope so.

It won't be long, in the event of a yes-vote, before the yessers splinter into their respective pre-election groups and begin turning on each other.

Seeing Salmond and his crew of outright liars facing up to the task ahead of them will provide much glee south of the border.

The prospect of Labour never governing the UK again is a major relief also.

Watching this madness unfold will be quite entertaining.

The Tories are talking about doing away with the Barnett formula, which would cost Scotland $4 billion per year in budget funding.

Since a Tory/UKIP majority coalition is not totally out of the realm of possibility in the future, the Scots are probably better off independent, at least if they want to keep their current level of public spending.

(09-17-2014 07:08 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  The prospect of Labour never governing the UK again is a major relief also.

Unlikely. Like I said earlier Blair won enough seats in all of his elections to win without Scotland, even with two reduced majorities by 2005. Labour only needs an extra 1% swing to make up for losing all of Scotland's seats. At most they will shift a little to the centre on economic policy to better chase votes in England and make up that 1%.

As a Scotsman voting yes, it's fuck all to do with hating the English. On the other hand, a lot of folk down south seem to be extremely bitter that we'd not want to be a minor part of the UK anymore. You'd think they were getting oneitis for us. We'll see in 24 hours whether the UK has been friendzoned or not!

I'm surprised 16 and 17 year olds are allowed to vote, for such a major decision for Scotland (and beyond).

(09-17-2014 04:52 PM)Haig Wrote:  Hey Rekuler,

While I don't agree with the politics of Ed Miliband, I also don't agree with the Social Justice Warrior tactics that has been used by a lot of the Yes crowd.

Freedom of speech will only be tolerated if you are progressive.

Scotland will never be a "right-wing" country as socialism/tribalism is so ingrained in the culture here that Scotland will stagnate and go round in circles.

I don't want to divert this thread towards a discussion on strategizing and fair play, but I think the following is a point that needs to be made.

Namely, the tactics used by Social Justice Warriors are exactly what we as the "red-pill community" (which today basically includes everyone who isn't a raging progressive) should engage in.

SJWs carry out witch hunts to destroy people's lives and ruin reputations over tiny deviations from progressive dogma but we should meekly and politely hear them out because "free speech?"

Fuck that noise. The reason these fuckers have been destroying Western civ for the better part of a century is because they're bringing guns while we're pretending this is still a schoolyard fistfight. If someone grabs a broken beer bottle in a bar you better reach for a pool cue. Continuing to pretend that we're still living in a society ruled by fair play and logic is a recipe for inevitable destruction at the hands of the progressives, which is exactly why we've been moving ever further into leftist hell. We need to adapt to the new, unpleasant reality and start to fight back.

The main money behind the campaign for Scottish independence are the lottery winners Colin and Chris Weir.

A smaller government probably means it's easier to avoid taxes on the 161 million they have.

(09-17-2014 08:46 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 07:08 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  The prospect of Labour never governing the UK again is a major relief also.

Unlikely. Like I said earlier Blair won enough seats in all of his elections to win without Scotland, even with two reduced majorities by 2005. Labour only needs an extra 1% swing to make up for losing all of Scotland's seats. At most they will shift a little to the centre on economic policy to better chase votes in England and make up that 1%.

Even aside from that, I think it's preposterous that a left wing party would never gain power again. The reverse could be true in many countries eventually simply because of demographics (immigrants and locals on welfare), but there's never not going to be a left wing party. With the entire apparatus of the bureaucracy, the media, academia, the primary and secondary education systems, there is always going to be a certain amount of left wing cultural capital. That's the whole point of the Gramscian march through the institutions. For the right wing to hold power for a long time, they'd have to declare an open and total war upon those institutions and the culture at large, and that's not going to happen. The right doesn't have the inclination or the ability.

Also, people are really opposed to the idea of a one party state in the West in general, but the Anglosphere in particular. There is always going to be a seesawing between two main parties or coalitions. The real political action happens, of course, in shifting the Overton Window leftwards. The departure of Scotland might provide a very minor shift to the right in anything but appearances (policy won't change much) for one or two elections, and then the ship's course will be corrected back to destroying Western civilisation.

Let's hope there is not another Blair! That man was terrible for the U.K. in all the wrong ways. He was responsible for, amongst other things, flooding the nation with third world scumbags.