Post: #1

There are lots of problems with game and with society in general in the West these days: feminism, emancipation, what not. If you were to design the perfect society, what would it be like?

Polyamorous society. Let me get this started. Men if they get rich try to maximize the number of attractive female sex partners as much as they can. There are cults where leaders in power try to force out the other male members, accusing them of heresy, etc.. Therefore an ideal society would be probably polyamorous (same as polygamy except there is no marriage). I don't see a polyamorous society as being any worse to a woman. Women in general have low sex drives in general so if there were many women per one guy they would still not be getting boned every day.

No marriage institution. There would probably not be marriage as such, as it is just a social constraint on men to keep them tied down to the kids and should be done away with. As far as I am concerned, it just removes eligible sexy women from the dating pool and I am not interested in this. I would not mind sharing my ladies with other guys, as I understand it's for the common good and I value being able to bone any girl I like more than any kind of feelings of jealousy. We see this dynamic in the modern world with the large number of divorces anyway as more and more people realize what a dumb idea marriage is.

Twenty female children per one male child policy. How do you create a polygamous society from a governmental standpoint? In many modern societies (China or India for instance) many families choose to abort girls as they need more male providers. In a polyamorous society a government would mandate that out of 21 pregnancies, for example 20 births should be women. Therefore there would be about 20 girls per each guy in the country. There would be intense competition among the women for every guy (women would not be any unhappier) and every guy would be very happy as he would be either dating or living with 20 girls.

Child support. There would be the issue of kids. Government could tax everybody to support the common kids or alternatively there could be DNA tests and every guy would have to shell out the child support for his own kids.

Feminism. Any feminist propaganda would be tantamount to a crime against humanity / against the people.

Suffrage. Women would obviously not be able to vote as they would theoretically skewer the entire dynamic to their interests, i.e. to have more males born than females to have more of a choice of men so they would let themselves go as we can see now in the West. Why should the male choice be preferred here and why should only men vote? Because men are happier with more women, whereas women don't care if there are more men, they don't have the sex drive to try to go after multiple sex partners.

What other legal provisions would you guys put down in a perfect society's constitution?

Post: #2

This reminds me of that thread where someone wanted to keep women locked up in barns for breeding purposes, in order to make a race of super beautiful people. Couldn't find the link though...

It seems that every few months someone makes a post about how awesome fascism could be.

Post: #3

I am a libertarian so the closest thing to no government intrusion to my life would make me happy. I think Mexico might be a perfect fit for me(Ive been here for a couple years) because its corruption makes its government disfunctional and therefore ineffective at fucking with its citizens. To give you an idea the state I live in in Mexico has no immigration enforcement officer so working illegally as a foreinger is not really a crime because its not enforced. Literally anything goes here; prostituion, drinking in public/underage drinking(13 yrs olds in bars), drugs of all kinds(coke in bars, pot smoked everywhere) drunk driving(good luck finding a sober cab driver past 10 pm), shooting guns in the air in urban areas, playing loud music at all hours of the night, speed limits(ha). In my opinion the average American doesnt know what freedom is until he spends some time south of the border.

Post: #4

I strongly dislike feminism, but this sounds even more awful. Where is freedom? Why is the harem our basic social unit? Compared to the competition of families, I just don't see the competition of harems producing economic results that we have today. Why not just go to models that have been tested and proven to work for everyone (I mean gender here, not race) with humane levels of freedom, like USA 1919-1970 or something like that? The time when women had plenty of rights but the family unit was still intact that the poisonous dating culture didn't exist yet.

Post: #5

(05-18-2013 03:20 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I strongly dislike feminism, but this sounds even more awful. Where is freedom? Why is the harem our basic social unit? Compared to the competition of families, I just don't see the competition of harems producing economic results that we have today. Why not just go to models that have been tested and proven to work for everyone (I mean gender here, not race) with humane levels of freedom, like USA 1919-1970 or something like that? The time when women had plenty of rights but the family unit was still intact that the poisonous dating culture didn't exist yet.

Who cares about economic progress? I don't see "economic progress" on the Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I do see sex as a basic need. I'd go back to the dark ages in a heartbeat if it meant I were to get a harem by government mandate.

You guys talk about fascism? What do you call the modern system? Many people say that the reason we have economic progress and the reason men want to be better and achieve something in life is driven by the desire to impress women. You in essence are saying you'd rather perpetuate this endless cycle of miserable men trying to impress some pussy on a pedestal than make men happy with a harem system and use their freed up time more productively.

Men need to satisfy the basic part of Maslow's hierarchy first: Physiological, before they can even think about satisfying their other needs, i.e. Safety, Love/Belonging, Esteem, Self-Actualization (which would include economic development). In the current system most men are running on a treadmill spending entirely too much time trying to satisfy their basic physiological needs. If these were satisfied by the government we'd see more economic progress than now.

Post: #6

King Roosh the 1st.

Post: #7

Perfect society: a society in which no questions are considered inherently obvious as long as they're asked in earnest. A society that allows all of its members to learn in a non-judgmental manner- as long as they're not hurting other conscious entities, allow people to do as they please.

A perfect society provides the basic necessities of food, shelter, and medicine for all contributing members and allows contribution to be easily accessible by those who might seek it. A perfect society would find outlets for creative input, rather than pigeonholing members into what a few societal leaders consider to be important. A perfect society allows for the dignities of its contributing members to be universal at a foundational level.

Post: #8

Only let beautiful immigrants into the country.

Even the racists would agree to that.

Post: #9

My ideal society would be one where people adhere to respecting and adhering to ones right to do whatever the hell they want with their lives.

Honestly, the US has its own problems, but I really respect the spirit by which the constitution was written.

A culture rooted in a live and let be mentality would be the best and finally a government driven by maintaining the common good where regulators actually force corporations to do business the right way.

Socially, i'm a live and let be guy. You want to be gay? Go for it. Live in a polyamorous relationship? Do it up. Just don't try and force it down anybody else's throat.

Obviously, my perfect world but this country needs to learn to chill the hell out and respect the right of an individual to smoke cigarettes, drink large sugary sodas, all with common sense.

Post: #10

I have a bit of a reactionary streak, so to me it seems like an ideal society would have extremely strong social forces that compel women to remain very chaste until marriage, and then every man would be able to pair up with one woman. Not only does this create more genetic diversity, but it tames the worst traits of both men and women (violent competition and hypergamy), while encouraging their best traits (industriousness and a focus on family).

I don't put too much weight on those ideas though; I'm sure plenty of people smarter than me could punch lots of holes in them. What I am sure of is that a perfect society can only last so long before the broad-based prosperity that it creates becomes its downfall.

Post: #11

(05-18-2013 04:06 AM)chamele0n Wrote:  You guys talk about fascism? What do you call the modern system? ... You in essence are saying you'd rather perpetuate this endless cycle of miserable men trying to impress some pussy on a pedestal than make men happy with a harem system and use their freed up time more productively.

First of all, the cure for fascism is not more fascism, it's less.

Secondly, if you have read enough history, you will realise that nothing in human society is endless. The current crisis in gender roles will eventually pass. And even your little ideal empire, if it ever arises, will eventually decay and crumble until nothing exists of it except in textbooks.

Post: #12

(05-18-2013 02:24 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  This reminds me of that thread where someone wanted to keep women locked up in barns for breeding purposes, in order to make a race of super beautiful people. Couldn't find the link though...

Finally managed to find it after searching for 'barn'

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Post: #13

My ideal "society" looks like the following video. And it consists of a loop that starts from the last two weeks before high school ends (grade 12 for me) and ends when the summer ends.

In my society, everyone is young, nice-looking and lives a mile or so away from the beach. And they also like cheesy early '90s dance music like this with no irony.

Politics? Bleh. I've outgrown that shit. I'm into contriving alternate realities.

Post: #14

The perfect society is not obtainable.

Post: #15

it would be like in star trek

Post: #16

In my ideal society, everyone leaves their guns at home and instead everyone settles their differences with kungfu.