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Disclaimer: I do not advocate use of anabolic steriods on this forum. This thread is meant to serve as an Infosheet of first hand experience on Epistane

I will be starting my first cycle of Epitiostanol on Monday ! Epistane is a pro-hormone and anti-estrogen which is sold as a dietary supplement under the brand name Epistane.

I have been lifting for 2 years & have hit plateaus on all of my lifts since February. After months of research and deliberation I have come the conclusion that the last chapter of the journey towards my dream body can not be achieved without roids.

Some might call me out on this defeatist mentality. I will accept constructive criticism.

In any case, starting today for the next 6 weeks I will be documenting everything related to this drug. Side effects & any changes in behavior, muscle/ bodyfat levels, blood pressure, libido, hairloss ... you name it.

My account will be completely neutral and I will neither encourage nor discourage anybody from going on a cycle regardless of the final results.

Thanks brahs !

Post: #2

Cool. Can you post your other lifts and bw at the present, bloodwork and your previous prs here for comparison?

Post: #3

Bold & Determined has a post about this as well. I think he suggested that you also use test.

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Test is known substance which has had many guinea pigs, I want to see what results and sides he gets on Epistane only, especially since its legal and apparently easy to obtain but most of all its his first ever cycle.

Post: #5

Yeh please post some pre stats when you get the chance. This will be good.

Post: #6

I don't really know that much about pro-hormones because I don't research them at all, but from what I have heard epistane is a relatively light PH. I don't know that I would call it a "legal steroid" and I wouldn't expect the side effect to be too heavy. That being said...

You're going to do what you're going to do. This just happens to be a pet peeve of mine that people think they've reached their genetic potential or genetic ceiling in a relatively short amount of time and they automatically assume they need a PH or start to run the real stuff.

Lifting for two years and you have hit plateaus in the past couple months? I have no idea of what your programming, nutrition, age, recovery, etc is like, but in my book two years of lifting still makes you a beginner. What have you changed in the past two months to break through the plateaus? What were you doing in the months before your plateau to make you hit it? How much smarter are you now training wise than you were 3 months ago or a year ago? Are you looking to the same places for information? Are you training and eating the same way that you were 6 months ago? Plateaus mean your body is adapting to your methods faster than you are adapting your methods to your body. Besides, if you have made decent progress over the past two years then lifting will no longer become linear gains. By that I mean every week or month you train does not always equal X amount of strength or size gains. I have said this on here before, but programming and nutrition are far more important and complex than people realize.

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I've done some SuperDrol and pheraphlex cycles in my past. I believe they were the beginning of the legal steroids move but I could
Be wrong. From what I remember they were the result of the prohormone ban.

I remember gaining something like 16 lbs in 5 weeks on SD and my bench was up some ridicuous amount. I was able to get 345x4

Post: #8

Make sure you get a legit post cycle btw....I was too young and cheap to know better back in 2005

Post: #9

Do your research and plan the entire cycle including PCT before jumping in. Odds are everything will be fine, but it's best to know as much as possible before starting. Steroids have a worse reputation than they should in our culture and many have been used safely for many years. Bottom line get big safely bro.

Post: #10

(05-17-2013 06:17 PM)LibertarianBootyHunter Wrote:  I have been lifting for 2 years & have hit plateaus on all of my lifts since February. After months of research and deliberation I have come the conclusion that the last chapter of the journey towards my dream body can not be achieved without roids.

Have you tried Paleo yet? I'm not saying this is the ultimate solution, but I strongly suggest you exhaust all other measures before trying steroids.

Post: #11

(05-18-2013 08:17 AM)Mr. Cameltoe Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 06:17 PM)LibertarianBootyHunter Wrote:  I have been lifting for 2 years & have hit plateaus on all of my lifts since February. After months of research and deliberation I have come the conclusion that the last chapter of the journey towards my dream body can not be achieved without roids.

Have you tried Paleo yet? I'm not saying this is the ultimate solution, but I strongly suggest you exhaust all other measures before trying steroids.

Paleo isn't exactly the best diet for packing on slabs of muscle and steroids really aren't that bad for you when used property. They get a bad name because most don't do proper cycles

Post: #12

@Poosywrecker & CThunder86 here are my stats

Age: 22
Height: 6' even. (I say I'm 6'1 to girls)
Weight: 187 lbs
BF %: 12.7 %

Lifts

Bench - 245 lbs for 8-12 reps & 4 sets (1 rep max was 285). This might seem a bit low but i use Scapular Retraction i.e. more emphasis on my chest rather than delts/tris like most people which makes it that much harder

Bent-over Barbell Rows - 225 lbs for working sets. (Don't know my 1 rep max)

Bicep Curls - 65 lbs 10-16 reps with impeccable form. None of that shoulder swinging bullshit.

Military Press ( standing) - 155 lbs

Chinups ( widegrip) - 33-40 with perfect form on my first set. Goes down to 20-27 on my second & third sets.

PS: I do not work my legs. The reason is that i genetically have a big ass and legs ( my sisters turn heads on the streets). I used to squat & deadlift when i first started lifting. My ass turned into a Brazilian bubble butt within weeks. I do not like that look because it ruins my V-taper & makes me look smaller.


@ Doctor

- I hit the Gym 5 times a week. I do a combination of compunds lifts, isolation exercises and cable exercises for 1-1.5 hours each session. No cardio !

I supplement with - Whey Protein, Creatine , Casein,Zinc, Multi , Krill Oil
(better alternative to fish oil, makes your skin look like ... uuuh-aaaah) and a PWO like C4 when i have the money for it.

Nutrition: About 3800-4000 calories a day ... go upto 4500 when i am not busy with school/work. Eat as much fat and simple carbs as i want. I am an ecto with a VERY fast metabolism. If i don't get in 4-4500k calories per day i'll lose weight walking down the street too fast. I get a minimum of 180 g of protein ... some days i got crazy and hit the 300 g mark.

Judging from what i just wrote i believe my nutrition is on point ! I work every set till failure. I usually say to myself " if there was a knife held to my fathers throat ... could i do another rep?". I don't see anything wrong with my routine except maybe the fact that i don't do deads & squats.

I have tried supersets, circuit training, doing negatives ... everything pretty much.

I could try to eat more but at this point in my life i just can't. Lifting is my hobby not my full time job. I graduated last week and will be working offshore on a rig off Galveston ,Texas for 14 hours a day. Eating over 4500 calories makes me lethargic and slow.

Is there anything else you recommend ?

@ Neo

Thanks for the info brah ! I am aware of all of the stuff you wrote though !

I have done my research and in my next post I will be posting all of the possible risks associated with Epistane and precautions/procedures I am following in order to make my cycle as safe as possible.

@Jaydublin

Can you elaborate more about what you mean by " a legit Post-cycle" ?

@ Mr. Cameltoe

I have never done Paleo before ! Too poor in college to have the access to a strictly Paleo diet while meeting my macros. I am willing to give it a try somewhere down the line when i am satisfied with my size and want to start cutting. Unlike many other Diet fads it seems kind of legit based on the minimal research i have done.

Post: #13

Make sure to take care of your liver and kidneys. Take cycle support before, during and after. Not entirely sure how toxic Epistane is but other pro-hormones are brutal on your organs.

Not saying you cant have a beer or two but I would advise against it.

Carmo

Post: #14

What sort of effect does Epistane have on your natural testosterone production? If it is anything like Superdrol it will shut you down and you want to make sure you can get your test back up and running as quickly as possible. You also need to be cautious of Estrogen. There is a lot of research to do.

It would probably be a good idea to have a bottle of nolva on hand, and not the over the counter shit.

Anyway, good luck and make the most of these 6 weeks. When you come off just don't let yourself quit. Its tough to stop seeing progress, or possibly lose a little, so just push through that period.

Post: #15

So.
5 times a week, no legs, no cardio for 1-1.5hrs. Huh?
Scapular retraction to emphasize chest more and make it harder? Nope.
It's nothing against you, but I am skeptical that you eat 4000 cal a day. Usually when people tell me a number that seems too high, it usually is. Even 200g of protein is 800cal so you'd still have to eat in excess of 3000cal to reach 4000. 250g protein and you'd still need 3000 additional cal. Possible, but I remain skeptical.
Your "routine" of "every set until failure, could I do another possible reps if a knife..." is a bullshit way to workout. It doesn't surprise me that you have stalled.
Supersets, circuits, and negatives and you've exhausted every possible training means? Not even close.
Everything above, to me, screams beginner.

Sorry bro, this is the info I have and they way I see it. I think this qualifies, as you mentioned above, as "a defeatist mentality" and the easy way out.