Post: #1

What's the longest you've dated a woman before you banged her? Mine was five months and she broke up with me soon afterward

Post: #2

5 dates. About a month. She was Brazilian, ironically. If she was American I wouldn't have waited.

Post: #3

In terms of dating? Prbly about 4-6 dates, any longer and id dump them.

Tho longest time from meet to lay was about 9 months, but thats b/c our schedules were like totally out of sync, it was like 5 real dates, but over a 9 month period.

Post: #4

i dont dump a girl untill i bang her,no matter how much time it takes,i somhow manage to be in contact,dumping a girl without banging is like a lion hunt down his prey and then not eating it.

Post: #5

If it's an active pursuit from my side, then it's 2-3 dates at most - either I've banged or I've given up.
But it has happened that girls I've met before showed up randomnly later and I banged them - the most extreme example is a girl I knew from high school (1993) and banged her 10+ years later. That should not count though, because it's not like I waited and pursued.

Post: #6

5 dates

i would not wait that long now

Post: #7

And when the girl says a polite "not now"?
Honestly, when the guy runs for the sex in the date #1 I say that and more:
Look, I'm not looking for my charming prince or waiting for a BF, but I would like to get know you better before sex.
If the guy goes away I'm sure that it would be a shitty sex and saves my time and his.

Post: #8

While I'm always leading it toward sex, I can respect a woman who wants to wait a bit (4+ dates). Actually, it makes me feel like I found a woman with some standards, and that she may be worth my time. In that way, I'm almost hoping that my ploys aren't effective if I think the girl has potential. I'll play the game to the best of my ability, but hope that she has the game to match.

I realize that women are not to be judged according to the 'players code' or whatever, but Ive just had too many weird relationship experiences with girls who give it up too early to not have some type of judgment or caution. There seems to be a correlation between women who are relatively easy and women who don't know how to have an adult relationship. Not always, but often enough. I realize that this is only relevant if thats what your looking for.

However, if I know that she is easy, then it pisses me off to have to wait past three dates, and I would likely stop dating her or ignore her for a while past that point. It would likely have been a matter of bad logistics if that were to happen, anyway. I mean, if she's dating you for three dates, and she's easy, then you've obviously fucked up somewhere with your game (not likely with most guys here) or logistics.

Charmer makes a good point though. If you really give up on her because you didn't lay her, then the failure is yours. You didn't game her well enough, but some other guy will.

Post: #9

(07-13-2010 10:34 AM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  And when the girl says a polite "not now"?

Then it is "never", and "it was nice to meet you". Why waste time?

Post: #10

(07-13-2010 10:34 AM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  And when the girl says a polite "not now"?
Honestly, when the guy runs for the sex in the date #1 I say that and more:
Look, I'm not looking for my charming prince or waiting for a BF, but I would like to get know you better before sex.
If the guy goes away I'm sure that it would be a shitty sex and saves my time and his.

You assume men want a relationship.

Quote:Charmer makes a good point though. If you really give up on her because you didn't lay her, then the failure is yours. You didn't game her well enough, but some other guy will.

It may not be your failure, it could have been her low interest in you. Many girls will date a man with no intention of sex, because they were never sexually attracted to him in the first place. Regardless, they will go out with him because it's better than being home with an empty refrigerator.

(Why are young women's fridges always empty? Can't they plan when to eat?)

Failure to have sex != Poor game. Logistics also play a role.

Post: #11

(07-13-2010 09:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It may not be your failure, it could have been her low interest in you.

Failure to have sex != Poor game. Logistics also play a role.

I think we agree. Low interest = poor game = failure to have sex = failure.

The only exceptions are usually girls who are loyal to their boyfriends, or husbands, or who have some type of stress in their lives that prevents them from responding. Its not always easy to know why she isn't responding though. You just have to try your best.

Post: #12

(07-14-2010 09:37 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(07-13-2010 09:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It may not be your failure, it could have been her low interest in you.

Failure to have sex != Poor game. Logistics also play a role.

I think we agree. Low interest = poor game = failure to have sex = failure.

The only exceptions are usually girls who are loyal to their boyfriends, or husbands, or who have some type of stress in their lives that prevents them from responding. Its not always easy to know why she isn't responding though. You just have to try your best.

No, I believe that a girl has to have an initial attraction to you before you can game her. The vast majority of times, a girl has no initial attraction for the man who approaches her, and no amount of game can get her.

Post: #13

(07-15-2010 08:04 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-14-2010 09:37 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(07-13-2010 09:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It may not be your failure, it could have been her low interest in you.

Failure to have sex != Poor game. Logistics also play a role.

I think we agree. Low interest = poor game = failure to have sex = failure.

The only exceptions are usually girls who are loyal to their boyfriends, or husbands, or who have some type of stress in their lives that prevents them from responding. Its not always easy to know why she isn't responding though. You just have to try your best.

No, I believe that a girl has to have an initial attraction to you before you can game her. The vast majority of times, a girl has no initial attraction for the man who approaches her, and no amount of game can get her.

I guess we'll have to agree to agree to disagree.

Although, I think there's a certain point of unattractiveness that cant be overcome. But within the normal range of people that aren't severely obese, old or disfigured, I'm of the opinion that great game can overcome almost any initial "lack of attraction".

Luckily, women can feel a lot more attraction through a mans personality than a man can a womans. We are fortunate that way, because unattractive women have much less control over the situation.

Post: #14

(07-13-2010 07:56 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(07-13-2010 10:34 AM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  And when the girl says a polite "not now"?

Then it is "never", and "it was nice to meet you". Why waste time?

See what I mean? LOL

Post: #15

(07-15-2010 08:50 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(07-15-2010 08:04 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-14-2010 09:37 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(07-13-2010 09:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  It may not be your failure, it could have been her low interest in you.

Failure to have sex != Poor game. Logistics also play a role.

I think we agree. Low interest = poor game = failure to have sex = failure.

The only exceptions are usually girls who are loyal to their boyfriends, or husbands, or who have some type of stress in their lives that prevents them from responding. Its not always easy to know why she isn't responding though. You just have to try your best.

No, I believe that a girl has to have an initial attraction to you before you can game her. The vast majority of times, a girl has no initial attraction for the man who approaches her, and no amount of game can get her.

Although, I think there's a certain point of unattractiveness that cant be overcome. But within the normal range of people that aren't severely obese, old or disfigured, I'm of the opinion that great game can overcome almost any initial "lack of attraction".

Quote:I guess we'll have to agree to agree to disagree.

i disagree.

Most women will not fuck most men, and not because most men lack game. Even if everyone had game, women would still only fuck a small percentage of their available suitors, no matter what. This is all a by-product of women's hypergamous nature.

Therefore, I believe the amount of women with an initial spark of interest to the average man is something like 2-3% of all total women (quite a bit, if you think about it). This means, for the average young guy, he will need to meet 30 women for the chance of a solid lay (so if you go to bar with 100 women, filtering through them and picking appropriate targets gives a high chance for lay. If you can't get laid after 15 approaches, you are probably doing something wrong.). The more attractive a man is without game, then the higher initial percentage of women will be for him.

Good game can boost this initial percentage by a few points, but only after a few years of practice. Even still, being attractive to 5% of women means a 1 out of 20 ratio.

Post: #16

The women wonder have sex with the men after the date number two, of course, in a sourd of curiosity. Sometimes the time that she feels into and the time he feels into are not the same.

Post: #17

(07-18-2010 05:19 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  See what I mean? LOL

There are women who are relationship material, and women who are sex material. The first group is waste of time to me, because they tend to have higher expectations and require me to spend more time on them - meaning at the end I am getting the same, but spent more time on it. Makes no sense.

Post: #18

on average 3 going outs or "dates".
If i have not banged them after a 5th, i reckon is not going to happen without too much effort and i leave them.
Many, many times, girls i suddenly stop calling, call me or message me months later to see how i am doing and if i want to go out this or that day...

Normally, i go all guns out for that resurrected date and end up banging them.

The older you grow, the more eficient you should be in all walks of life.
Think about it, when younger, you thought more about how to date and maybe bang a girl;
later on you wondered how to bang them as soon as possible;
later on you just go for the kil outright;

for me that is eficiency and I live by being eficient. My 3 last bangs were all a matter of a short coffee date, followed by a late night date and thn visit their homes and go straight to bang them.

My work consumes me around 10-12 hours a day, I meet tons of powerful women and not so powerful ones, i flirt with the cute ones and come week end, I bang at least one and then enjoy my free time.

Post: #19

(07-19-2010 08:38 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(07-18-2010 05:19 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  See what I mean? LOL

There are women who are relationship material, and women who are sex material. The first group is waste of time to me, because they tend to have higher expectations and require me to spend more time on them - meaning at the end I am getting the same, but spent more time on it. Makes no sense.

You need to get out of your mind that all "relationship material" whatever you say wants to have a BF to have sex. It may take longer, but they know the difference between casual sex and "love" sex and sometimes they are not looking desperately for a prince but want to get to know you to see where they are going into. You have standars, so as they!
Both "types" have needs. Why not give a chance and supply it? hahaha

Post: #20

(07-20-2010 06:38 PM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  You need to get out of your mind that all "relationship material" whatever you say wants to have a BF to have sex.

I am not saying that. I am saying that the first group tends to have higher expectations, which translates into more time spent (typically in attempt to prove that "I am not a slut" or other bullshit like that). From my past experience this extra hassle typically does not result in better sex. And even if it does, for me it still not worth it because I am not looking for any ongoing things. Why waste time? It is not like there is shortage of females on this Earth.

Post: #21

About 3 months is the longest I've gone "actively trying" before just giving up. This has happened with a couple girls that I can think of....

Usually things tend to move pretty fast for me.

Sometimes girls disappear and pop back up months later and then I get the notch. I had a girl I went to high school with for only one year, my freshman year, hit me up on facebook after I graduated college and hadn't talked to her in like 8 years and I wound up getting the notch... I don't think that counts though, because I definitely didn't actively pursue her for 8 years....

Post: #22

(07-13-2010 12:43 AM)klasik Wrote:  What's the longest you've dated a woman before you banged her? Mine was five months and she broke up with me soon afterward

Me personally I jump it the first chance I get. If she does not look like she just came back from the moon, I drop her and move on to the next honey pot. Eidoos77.