Post: #1

Sharon Stone is in the center of a love triangle.

Who's the Alpha?

James Wood - the lowlife hustler/con man/ex boyfriend that put such a mind fuck on her, that's she's always willing to do anything for him. He's physically weak, he's not rich, he's not a leader of men.

Deniro - a respected gangster/bookmaker that doesn't like to get his hands dirty, but will fuck somebody up if need be.

Joe Pesci - the ignorant enforcer, who's feared but not respected

WIA

Post: #2

(04-30-2013 09:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Who's the Alpha?

James Wood - the lowlife hustler/con man/ex boyfriend that put such a mind fuck on her, that's she's always willing to do anything for him. He's physically weak, he's not rich, he's not a leader of men.

Deniro - a respected gangster/bookmaker that doesn't like to get his hands dirty, but will fuck somebody up if need be.

Joe Pesci - the ignorant enforcer, who's feared but not respected

I've met real people from the movie.

Pesci's character was based on Tony "The Ant" Spilotro, a sociopathic mob enforcer. He became such a loose cannon that he attracted too much attention and ended up in a cornfield.

DeNiro's character was based on Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal. He was convicted of fixing games and could never get a gaming license. So he hosted a crappy T.V. show and became a nuisance, leading to the failed bombing murder attempt. He was never respected for handicapping. In his old age he ran a pathetic self-congratulatory website and sold sports picks. He used his wealth to buy a prostitute wife.

Gerri McGee Rosenthal died of a drug overdose soon after her marital separation. She had the reputation of a wonderful personality, charming everyone and overtipping valets to avoid troubles as a chip hustling hooker. The movie was based on a bunch of flawed characters.

Post: #3

The answer is: they are all alpha, in different ways.

Pesci is the violent, caveman, don't fuck with me alpha.

DeNiro is the alpha with money and social status.

James Woods is actually a pseudo-alpha, but ran such tight game on Sharon Stone when she was younger that he's still all up in her head. He isn't an alpha, but his game is the tightest of the three.

She pinballs between the three of them based on her mood and what she needs at the time.

Post: #4

(04-30-2013 10:43 PM)scorpion Wrote:  The answer is: they are all alpha, in different ways.

Pesci is the violent, caveman, don't fuck with me alpha.

DeNiro is the alpha with money and social status.

James Woods is actually a pseudo-alpha, but ran such tight game on Sharon Stone when she was younger that he's still all up in her head. He isn't an alpha, but his game is the tightest of the three.

She pinballs between the three of them based on her mood and what she needs at the time.

Great insight! I could not have understood it better.

I think I need to watch that movie again. It was so long and had so much happening and when I initially watched it I wasn't too focused, so I missed out on some details.

Post: #5

None of them are "alpha". Alpha is a word created for animals, NOT HUMANS.

Post: #6

(04-30-2013 11:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  None of them are "alpha". Alpha is a word created for animals, NOT HUMANS.

Bro you're so alpha for telling it how it is

Post: #7

(04-30-2013 11:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  None of them are "alpha". Alpha is a word created for animals, NOT HUMANS.

We are animals.

Post: #8

I think De Niro and Pesci characters were Omega types. Alpha towards men, more beta towards females. James Woods character was kind of Omega too, alpha towards females but beta in terms of his life choices that led him to be an unsuccessful scumbag.

Post: #9

The movie was based on Rosenthal's account. Naturally he was jealous of his wife's boyfriend. Rosenthal and Spilotro were outright criminals.

Post: #10

i got the sense that deniro's character was willfully beta with his wife, for the sentimentality of it. it's as if he knew the true nature of women, but clung to a fantasy anyway because it felt better in his mind.

ACE (V.O.)
When you love someone, you've gotta
trust them. There's no other way.
You've got to give them the key to
everything that's yours. Otherwise,
what's the point? And, for a while...
I believed that's the kind of love I
had.

http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/casino.html

ctrl+f "trust" for more

Post: #11

Of the three, it's clearly Lester Diamond (James Woods' character) who is the most alpha. Yes, he was a broke loser, yet Ginger kept going back to him.

Lester made his mission (scamming cash), not Ginger, his priority. He never feared losing Ginger to Ace. Lester connected with her emotions. His self-confidence was ridiculous when you think about what he had to offer compared with Ginger. But, true to life, she kept going back to Lester, even passing along Ace's money to him. If you know what to look for, the reasons why are obvious, and part of that true-to-life character development is in part why the film feels so authentic.

Post: #12

James Woods character is who you should strive to be in dealing with women.

De Niro's character had everything to offer her but in the end she still hates him, which goes to show you how money does not really play a part with attracting women.

Post: #13

(05-01-2013 09:06 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 11:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  None of them are "alpha". Alpha is a word created for animals, NOT HUMANS.

We are animals.

I respectfully disagree.

The law and the police make us human.

Animals can kill for food and pussy (alpha). Humans will likely get arrested and go to jail if they do that (beta).

In the animal world, the only law is survival. In the human world there are thousands of laws that limit what we can do.

Laws make us human.

My opinion.

Post: #14

(05-01-2013 03:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  In the animal world, the only law is survival. In the human world there are thousands of laws that limit what we can do.

Laws make us human.

My opinion.

Were not as evolved as we think we are. Look at the genocides around the world, all the violence over petty things etc. Cant deny what we came from and being apes will always be a part of human nature.

From my favorite band:

Quote:Don't these talking monkeys know that
Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys,
Where there's one you're bound to divide it.
Right in two.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey.
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs.
They make a club.
And beat their brother, down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

Post: #15

Respect to you on quoting MJK, thats probably my favorite tool song.

The whole concept of alpha is relative for humans, more absolute for animals.

I've come to think of what we call being alpha as really just being masculine.

Post: #16

One of my favorite films. I've hosted James Wood and talked with him in-depth regarding Casino. Class act guy.

Post: #17

(05-02-2013 07:18 AM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  One of my favorite films. I've hosted James Wood and talked with him in-depth regarding Casino. Class act guy.

... can you give us the highlights to what he said?

Post: #18

I love Casino. I always felt it is underrated since so much love is given to Goodfellas (which is also great).

As a sidenote - here is James Woods talking about being on a 'dry-run' for the 9/11 attacks. He actually was sat by the 9/11 terrorists in first class - a month before the attacks as the terrorists were making their plans.





And for any 9/11 truthers (of which I am not one). I guess James Woods would have to be a part of the 'cover-up' as well?

I say this seriously - and not as a snarky comment, by the way...

Post: #19

In terms of a love triangle or a woman's love/sex interest, the alpha is the guy fucking the woman.

So in the context of the movie Casino, for me, Lester Diamond is the alpha. He is the guy who gets the girl, despite his competition being richer and more powerful than him.

His character is entertaining and he acts very well.

When I find myself stuck in a game situation, I ask myself "what would Lester Diamond do?", sometimes I ask myself "what would delicious tacos do?", because DT reminds me of Lester Diamond.

Post: #20

So as long as you get the lizard, you are alpha? Even if the other 'betas' can beat and do beat your ass?

Post: #21

(05-05-2015 10:09 AM)Moma Wrote:  So as long as you get the lizard, you are alpha? Even if the other 'betas' can beat and do beat your ass?

He is the girl's alpha, yes.

She wanted him m ore than she wanted the rich and powerful men, because his game was tighter and he probably smashed the lizard's pussy better, he gave her the most tingles.

Post: #22

Lizard, I see what you are saying but I disagree that James was alpha. I feel that a man who has total power over another man's life has a higher alpha count. Technically, the other guy could forcefully take the puzzy from Sharon and put James in the dirt. He doesn't control Sharon's free will but he has enough power over her and the people she cares about to make her do everything he wants except love him.

Post: #23

Looking at it on a larger scale, you are right.

Within the larger picture, there are separate dynamics taking place. Purely from Ginger's(Sharon) point of view, Lester is the alpha. He is the dick she wants in her. But as you say, outside of that, Lester(James) is insignificant and gets pushed out of the love triangle.

Post: #24

Two years later, I find this post of mine stupid, boring, and insipid.

It made sense then, now it would unnecessarily constrict a player's mind.

In 2015 the reality is that all of them fucked her. They all got her most valuable gift, but afterwards they were all somehow dependent on her. The James Wood character is at best a player, but with only one whore his stable he was at her mercy. True, the writers didn't think to flesh out his character for little old me, so there's that. Maybe he was really doing stuff off screen. Who knows?

The fallout of this post, and posts like these is a rigid hegemony.

What the alpha beta.discussion/,metaphor gives the newb is a new framework to understand human interaction, thus new solutions to old problems.

His old world view was not working. The new one works. Works often enough that the view does not need to be questioned. Contrary evidence as always will be discarded just like it was with the blue pill.

The thoughtful player should still have that nagging feeling about when things go off the rails.

WIA

Post: #25

(05-05-2015 02:57 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Two years later, I find this post of mine stupid, boring, and insipid.

It made sense then, now it would unnecessarily constrict a player's mind.

In 2015 the reality is that all of them fucked her. They all got her most valuable gift, but afterwards they were all somehow dependent on her. The James Wood character is at best a player, but with only one whore his stable he was at her mercy. True, the writers didn't think to flesh out his character for little old me, so there's that. Maybe he was really doing stuff off screen. Who knows?

The fallout of this post, and posts like these is a rigid hegemony.

What the alpha beta.discussion/,metaphor gives the newb is a new framework to understand human interaction, thus new solutions to old problems.

His old world view was not working. The new one works. Works often enough that the view does not need to be questioned. Contrary evidence as always will be discarded just like it was with the blue pill.

The thoughtful player should still have that nagging feeling about when things go off the rails.

WIA

What I get from this, Archie, is that the term alpha is an ever evolving discussion and that alpha nowadays is not what was 20 years ago.

The problem is, many men equate alpha with the man who gets the most puzzy. Even if he comes across as a snivelling beta such as this James Wood character who was beaten up and choked (to my recollection) by Joe Pesci who was working on behalf of Deniro, the fact that he was able to keep fcuking Sharon Stone actually puts him in the discussion of being more alpha than any of the other characters in the film.
People forget that in a lawless world, both of those guys could have literally stomped out James Wood. So what makes one so alpha if the only prowess they've got is the ability to get puzzy? If we bring it to realistic terms, who gets the most puzzy in this extremely beta cities? Is it the alpha male or is it the male who fits the form of fame and desirability which is manufactured to entertain the lizard?

They say Russian males are very alpha and don't give a fcuk. So on those terms, do Russian immigrants and other males from alpha countries move to these highly beta cities such as DC and Toronto and rise to the top of the puzzy chain? Or do they struggle similarly to the others but merely refuse to buy into the simpering that the other males do to come close to the whiff of a female fart?

The term alpha relates very closely to animals. We are animals at the very core, all this fancy word play and prancing is only trying to simulate what lions, tigers and wolves do naturally on instinct.
How does the most alpha lion get the most puzzy? He wipes out the opposition. The females come to him because his behaviour promises survival not because he's a great lover or says the right shyt. Her mind will rationalise his actions as the right thing and eventually come to consider his actions and love making as top tier.

As a human which Giovonny said, we cannot do those things. We cannot 'wipe' out the opposition. The closest equivalent is excessive cockblocking, orbiting and just spreading lies and slander about the opposition but this is not as absolute as the means a lion takes (leocide).

Is the alpha trait in man one that survives the test of different environments and eras? I would like to say so. One might say alpha is one who is able to adapt and continue to stand above the rest in new environments. As mentioned before, the rise of new ages give cause to a different type of dominant man.

During the Stone age, there was a certain type of man who rose to the top. The Agricultural age arrived and gave cause to a new type of man and this happened again with the Industrial age. Now in the Information age which we are in, we have yet a new type of man and the term alpha must once again be re-analysed as it cannot be placed so aptly on the crown of a rugged Clint Eastwood type if he cannot rise to the top in this society and gets rendered inert by the Mark Zuckenbergs and Bill Gates of our time.