Post: #26

Update: Ate appetizers at a couple places within walking distance of each other. Cheap and easy. BOOM +1

1 internet high five to G (no homo)

Post: #27

(04-24-2013 03:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 04:49 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 10:22 PM)Hobnob Wrote:  I don't want to be on the hook for dinner. Any ideas how to deflect this?

Suppose you wanted to meet another forum member to exchange ideas. Would you do dinner? Probably not! Dinner is a long and inflexible commitment. It is simply inappropriate for a first, casual meeting. It is just a pain in the ass to dress appropriately for a restaurant and coordinate my diet. We can't bounce to other places or do other things. It is not about money, it is about suitability.

Suggesting dinner is unimaginative, presumptuous, and demanding, even if she pays for it.

Let me explain something to you guys:

Dinner, does not have to equal = Fancy white table cloth sit down dinner that costs $150-200 per head.

No shit, usually the cool, hole-in-the-wall mom & pop places are the best (especially ethnic - nonchain mexican places often seem to fit this bill for some reason). Fuck the white table cloth prestigious places, they put too much pressure on both you AND the girl. Take her someplace you'd go to chill with a guy friend.

Post: #28

(04-24-2013 03:26 PM)Hobnob Wrote:  Update: Ate appetizers at a couple places within walking distance of each other. Cheap and easy. BOOM +1

1 internet high five to G (no homo)

dispelling the myth that buying dinner = no sex chode date!!!!!

Post: #29

(04-24-2013 03:26 PM)Hobnob Wrote:  Update: Ate appetizers at a couple places within walking distance of each other. Cheap and easy. BOOM +1

1 internet high five to G (no homo)

wait so you actually ordered appetizers from one place, then went and got appetizers in a 2nd place? never thought of that shit.

Post: #30

(04-25-2013 12:11 AM)guerrilla Wrote:  wait so you actually ordered appetizers from one place, then went and got appetizers in a 2nd place? never thought of that shit.

Exactly. Went to a smaller pub, ordered spicy nuts (no joke). Then went to a fancier place and had a meat and cheese plate.

Edit: And she paid for the 2nd place. I'm pretty sure it was a picture perfect date. Sex was awesome too.

Post: #31

(04-25-2013 12:11 AM)guerrilla Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 03:26 PM)Hobnob Wrote:  Update: Ate appetizers at a couple places within walking distance of each other. Cheap and easy. BOOM +1

1 internet high five to G (no homo)

wait so you actually ordered appetizers from one place, then went and got appetizers in a 2nd place? never thought of that shit.

Joking or serious?

Post: #32

(04-26-2013 11:02 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Joking or serious?

LOL. Some things take awhile to click.

Post: #33

I like BlackDragon's method rules for first dates:

http://blackdragonblog.wordpress.com/201...s-for-men/

(Recommended read, go through all of it)

The one I would apply here is:

Quote:11. Avoid spending more than 15 dollars. Zero dollars is optimal. Spending money is for women you’re already having sex with, not first dates. (Note: Women over age 33 will hate this rule and take great offense to it.)

In short, don't be cheap but at the same time keep on budget. Dating requires two valuable resources: time and money. You can save money to go out in many more dates. My 2 cents.

Post: #34

Tom Leykis, who has a rule of not spending more than $40 on a date, has a funny tip if you insist on a restaurant date. Always be sure to eat your dinner at home before meeting her at the restaurant. When ordering, just get a salad or something light. The woman will not order more food than you for fear of looking gluttonous.

Of course this tip may no longer apply to American women as their waistlines are expanding faster than the national debt.

Post: #35

(04-22-2013 01:10 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  It is kind of funny how guys think that:

Eating with a girl = Fancy white table cloth sit down dinner that costs $150-200 per head.

Yeah, having a fun meal with a confident and sexy guy will never turn a girl off, ever. There's a whole spectrum of awesome dates in between pricey dinners and Roosh-style quick hitters.

I picked up a waitress at a Korean cafe recently who insisted on meeting at 6PM. I used the extra time she unwittingly gave me to get her to my place and cook. She had so much fun during the various stages of the date that the only 'no' she ever gave me was to wanting a lights-on hump session. I spent maybe $20 that night.

Post: #36

I can't go to a restaurant with a girl I don't know. If a girl wants a dinner date, I'll offer to go to a bar instead. If she insists, I'll ignore her and move on to the next one. I learned it the hard way.

Post: #37

(04-21-2013 10:22 PM)Hobnob Wrote:  Here is the first text exchange with a girl I met at a party (slightly paraphrased)

Me: Let's get together this week, how's your tuesday?
Her: Tuesday is my only free night this week. Would you be game to meet downtown for a bite to eat?

Obviously I want to meet her downtown, but I don't want to be on the hook for dinner. Any ideas how to deflect this?

Bump the time past dinner...tell her you and your roommate are cooking, or you are eating with your boss (or whatever), but you'll book her for dessert. Then suggest a place you have heard is good. Tip: a nice restaurant or hotel bar for dessert, sitting at the bar, can be a great balance between going somewhere nice and not spending a shitload of $ or getting stuck at a table for 90 minutes.

I subscribe to the Roosh advice of no restaurant/meal dates until after the bang. I have found very rare reason for exception.

Post: #38

They always shoot for the dinner date don't they? Doining dinner and drinks even at a cheap bar or restaraunt can easily approach $100. You're eating, drinking and having a good time. Asking her to split the check is a real mood killer. It's such a trap. You wanna keep the party going because the promise of pussy is out there but you haven't banged yet so you don't know for sure. Fucking bitches have this hustle down.

If your game is tight and you don't give a fuck say "Sure if you're buying. I'm really hungry too". I'm all about being direct and ballsy these days. When I wanna kiss them I say "Come over here" and just go for it. Sometimes when we're chilling on the couch I grab her drink and put it down, stand up, grab her hand and pull her into the bedroom. I like to see what I can get away with sometimes.

Post: #39

Post: #40

DOBA has the best reason for no dinner dates - an antifragile strategy to avoid dinner whoring. Maybe 20% of girls would dinner-whore, maybe fewer, but you completely eliminate the opportunity to get snowed by one if you don't do it in the first place.

As a matter of fact, I think two strategic commitments can dramatically increase the efficiency of your dating, efficiency meaning not wasting your time:
* No restaurant dates (until after consummation)
* Escalate to kiss on the first date (usually within two hours of meeting, sometimes less)

A date with a chick who either wants to be wined and dined or who isn't really interested in you is a waste of your time.

To a dinner whore, a date without the dinner is a waste of HER time and she won't go for it. To a girl who's not that into you and wants to just chat and be friend-zony, your escalating makes that frame impossible for her to maintain. (And there's always the chance that your boldness turns her on in a way that talking her to death doesn't and you get her hooked when you smooch.)

Post: #41

Simple. Call dominos, order something you both like. Pick up the pizza with her.

Take her home for pizza and a "movie".

Wald

Post: #42

(02-02-2014 11:45 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  Simple. Call dominos, order something you both like. Pick up the pizza with her.

Take her home for pizza and a "movie".

Wald

That is also awesome. Comfort food + isolation + seems spontaneous and college-y.

Again, no restaurant dates. Dessert+drinks, takeout, cook for her (Frost's second-date bang move), ask her to cook for you (awesome cred if she says yes) - just don't take her ass to a restaurant unless you're getting a dessert.

It's funny, I used to think the dinner-date thing was standard operating procedure. Then I got into Roosh-style date planning and now I think any guy who takes a chick to dinner is a complete fucking idiot.

Post: #43

Amen brother!

Post: #44

(02-02-2014 05:48 PM)BadgerHut Wrote:  I subscribe to the Roosh advice of no restaurant/meal dates until after the bang. I have found very rare reason for exception.

I've said this before in some of the other threads, but I always invite for diner at my place (cooking good = dhv imo). She enters, you've made something good on a low budget with some wine, afterwards you go sit in the couch and within 15-20 minutes you can go for the kissing & escalation.
It also seriously decreases the number of flakes (in EU) as they know you're cooking and they feel more guilty if they flake.

Post: #45

(04-23-2013 02:49 PM)Hobnob Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 06:30 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Sound like a biz opportunity.

We just uncovered your future.

Don't forget about me when you own 3 dope tapas bars in the center of your town/city and you have girls coming out your ears.

I expect a pro-bono cocktail. Vodka, Soda. Lime.

Vodka from the top shelf.

I'm way ahead of you! I'm business planning and hunting investors to open a brew pub in town. Not quite the same thing, but still filling a hole. If you're ever in Winnipeg I'll have a vodka soda ready for you. That's my drink too.

First, you live in Winnipeg dude? Half my family is from there and I go back all the time! I'll be in touch when I go back this summer.

Secondly, I am a firm believer in dinner dates being a total waste of money and time. They're formal, I don't want to watch her eat anything (except my semen), and the biggest issue is that if you cheap out it's obvious and if you don't then you're a shmuck.

Do I want to spend $80 on a first date with some random broad? Fuck no.

Would I rather spend $40, get her tipsy, and have a much better flowing conversation over drinks? You bet.

Cooking dinner isn't a bad idea, but I feel like it's more useful on a 2nd or 3rd date once she feels comfortable with you.

As for the dominos, I see the allure but also wonder if it's a) a little obvious and b) if classy girls will think that's a gross date option?

Post: #46

Best to do the coffee date first , then spring for drinks on the "second date" . Not a big investment and one should have a 50% probability of a bang on 2nd date. If you need a third date - do the dinner at yours - no bang then ? Abort, abort ! No dates after #3 . Girls know the deal and should put out on 2nd or 3rd. Anything after that is a sham