Post: #326

If you are almost or completely broke and in your 20's take the time to game chicks while you are this broke because if you are smart you won't let yourself slide back into such a low income status once you get back on your feet. Use the opportunity to test yourself. Lift weights, get a good body it will help a lot more then people let on when it comes to girls and it'll give you some attractiveness despite being strapped for cash. Once you've had some success with chicks being penniless then you work on getting rich, associate with the rich if you can(be smart about it). Money is 100 times more important then women for a man. You don't need to be rich but if you can get there, and if you can control your time you are a free man and that freedom is worth it's weight in gold. So no doubt M.O.B.

Post: #327

(06-30-2010 11:58 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  But for hypothetical sake would you guys say that you'd take money over bitches?

I think nowadays a see more young dudes chasing putang at the expense of establishing an economic foundation

Post: #328

This is my dilemma. Spent teens, early-mid 20's chasing poon and not establishing a good economic base. Learned valuable info to come back to getting a girl but am more into Transitioning into a "money making" lifestyle as of late. Still gotta keep my tools sharp so daygame is my bread and butter while I'm already out and about making moves.

Post: #329

You don't need money to get laid, but you need money to keep a girl around.

Post: #330

(10-03-2014 11:37 AM)travolta Wrote:  You don't need money to get laid, but you need money to keep a girl around.

Have you ever watched the film Casino? Not true.

Post: #331

I chased a lot of girls from 18-21 and got quite good at game (also studying engineering at a great school). I also had cash to burn through and chasing women was awesome. Had the time of my life. Realized girls didn't make me happy, but still they were fun in the moment.

Recently I've found myself at a smaller town going to college. I recently turned to money making mode. Full effect on school + side business. With no cash you're pretty much a slave to the economic conditions (and whatever shitty boss you end up working for). I've switched to full money making mode as my funds dwindle.

Chasing women is fun in the moment, but trying to get rich in business literally turns you into a different person.

Freedom is more important to me than the girls. Traveling to different countries rich is fucking awesome but being a local scrub bartender with a harem? Not so much IMO.

But in learning game and creating a business you gain the knowledge, which in itself is priceless. You can do either again. Stop being a scrub and pick up a few books.

Post: #332

You don't need money to get girls. But makes life a whole lot easier.

Plus who the hell wants to drive an old beat up car around. You have to work at something anyways. Make a lot of money then stop when you want. Otherwise you're going to work until 65.

The solution? Find something you like and fucking kill at it.

I know entrepreneurs who work online and bang 3-4 girls a week living in cheap parts of Europe. That's the dream.

Post: #333

You can buy women with money.
You can not buy money with women.

Post: #334

In my point of view , I genuinely believe that an industrious man of the 21st century would rather focus on his success. Women are only sources of fun for an alpha . For those of you who place a bigger emphasis on gaming chicks ,tinder and so on, it's time to give yourself a big slap in the face.

Post: #335

There may be some who disagree, and there may be certain extreme cases where this rule doesn't apply, but for the most part I think learning game and improving with women is ultimately easier and less time consuming than making and saving a nice stack of money.

In this economy unless you have some serious seed money through inheritance, or have a very specialized degree in a very lucrative field, or have highly desirable skills, it's hard to make a lot of money, at least in a short period of time. I'm sure there are some entrepreneurs or doey eyed optimists that have read The Millionaire Fastlane that would disagree, but as far as I'm concerned a young guy straight out of college or even a more established older guy is going to struggle to save up a decent chuck of cash.

A young guy even with poor social skills with the right amount of commitment and motivation can consume game materials like books, blogs, podcasts, and then go out and do approaches 2-3 nights a week, and make good improvement in a couple years. It might take that same guy 4-5 years to get "good" at game, to the point where he's pulling hot women somewhat consistently, but like I said unless he's in the tech industry, or some big time financial guy, chances are he's not stacking up $100,000 cash in 4-5 years time.

Not to say $100,000 is even a great deal of money, but I personally know how much of a challenge saving up $100,000 can be, for the average guy learning game will be a much easier feat. I'm not saying that a person can't do both, immerse himself in game and work hard and save money, but usually to be very successful at either requires a lot of time, focus, work, and energy.

If I were to choose one to recommend to men, I'd say focus on building wealth, mostly because that is ultimately more difficult and challenging, and is something tangible that you will need to be successful in almost every facet of life, especially as you age into the future. Success with women is also important, and shouldn't be completely neglected to focus on women, but once you are doing well for yourself financially, you will have more confidence, freedom, and means to immerse yourself in game and succeed at it.

Post: #336

If it takes you 5 years to save 100k then you are probably wasting your time having a job.

If I have a full time job then at the very least I am expecting myself to be able to save 100K in 2 years maximum, look at the oil sands thread,I am sure most of these guys are able to save 100k in 2 years if they want to.

Post: #337

(10-17-2014 12:31 PM)pitt Wrote:  If it takes you 5 years to save 100k then you are probably wasting your time having a job.

If I have a full time job then at the very least I am expecting myself to be able to save 100K in 2 years maximum, look at the oil sands thread,I am sure most of these guys are able to save 100k in 2 years if they want to.

Yeah easier said then done Pitt, you got 100 K chillin in a safe deposit box or bank, did it take you less than 5 years to save that kind of money?

Not every guy wants to sacrifice his happiness and sanity to go to the freezing desolate oil fields of North Dakota or Canada where it's dark all day, there are extreme sub-zero weather conditions, and no women for miles.

Sure it's probably worked for a guy like Scoatian, but even still, he's a guy that travels the world and lives the good life, no guarantee he's even got that much in savings.

Unless you are an extremely frugal guy who lives in a tiny one bedroom dump, have no car, no cell phone, no internet, etc., chances are the everyday costs of life are taking a significant chunk of your earnings, thus making it hard to save a stack of liquid cash.

I think a lot of guys who make passive income online and live in a studio in a third world country, and live an extremely restrictive low budget lifestyle don't realize how many expenses other people have.

Every month I have a mortgage payment on my house, I have a car payment, I have cell phone bill, internet/cable tv, health insurance, electric/gas bill, water/sewer bill, curb-side trash pick up, home owners insurance, earth quake insurance, car insurance on two vehicles, registration on two vehicles, not to mention the taxes I pay to the U.S. government.

After all the bills and expenses I listed, in all reality I forgot to mention a bunch more, on top of that you have everyday expenses like food and gas, shit gets expensive really quick, you tell me you're saving $100,000 in two years. I call bull shit.

If you're balling that hard Pitt, please tell us how you make your bread, and how you do such a good job of saving it.

Post: #338

^ From my own experience in most desirable areas of the U.S. you can get away with about $30k (more like $40k if you don't want to watch every dollar) in cash living expenses for a year. Meaning having your own bedroom in a desirable neighborhood.

That said if about half your income is taxed you need to be making about $160k to stow away $50k in cash.

Let's say you spend 6mos in the oil sands and your living expense are $15k for the entire year you would still need to pull $115k to stash $50k.

From what I've read it takes 3+ years in the oil fields to get to that level.

Post: #339

Where did I say that I am saving 100k in 2 years? I said that it is possible to be done and the jobs are out there.

You just told me the name of so many bills that I sincerely understand why you find it hard to save a good chunk of money. Who the hell pays for an earthquake insurance and what is that even supposed to mean? No all of us that moved abroad are counting every penny that we spend or staying in crappy places. I am not balling by any means but I usually buy whatever I want to buy and I am a minimalist, I don't need lots of money to live a good life.

I was not even trying to make it personal, I simply pointed out the fact that saving 100k in less than 5 years is not a big deal, my general idea of having a job is to save as much as I can and then leave. I wouldn't have a job to just pay the bills.

Post: #340

It is definetly possible to save up a good amount of money over 5 years as a single guy. I'm not sure about 100,000 but definetly a good amount! Buy a car with cash, unlock a phone and use a pre paid service such as Straight talk or net10, spend a thousand or two thousand on a new wardrobe then stop there, and so on. Most guys are trying to impress everyone and up to their neck in debt! I have a nephew working an oil job in Texas and he's 23 and making 70 a year. I would kill to go back and do that at his age! Get a cheap apartment and just save, save, save.

Post: #341

Ive been trying to get a gig in Antarctica for the last couple of years. 12 months in Antarctica and bank $100k, you spend $500 for the whole year. This doesnt apply to Americans though.

Will keep trying and do an Antarctica datasheet if I get down there

Post: #342

Why would you own two vehicles if it money is that tight OG Nor Cal? Do you have a family at home?

Post: #343

You could work on oil rigs or the mines and earn big for a few years, then try to get out and live on whatever you have earned for the next 3-4 decades of your life but most professional white collar careers take time to build. You start work as a grunt, then you start managing a grunt yourself, then you start running a team. Most of the pay in the Western world goes to those who are at the forefront of the knowledge capitalist economy.

If you're ambitious you network your way to the next level and then you have strong marketable skills that sees your pay rise significantly.

Post: #344

(12-15-2011 11:39 PM)blurb Wrote:  When people are young, they are like a comet course on a path toward the earth. That is what youth is like. If the comet is very far away, only a few degrees to the left or right will avoid calamity for the earth. Make the right decisions young, and you will reap the fruit of your rewards later on. However, just as the comet gets closer to the earth, you're going to need to move it to a larger degree and use more force. Sometimes, it's impossible to stop the comet at all. This is what happens to guys who threw away their youth and now have regrets about it, and can't do much to change their lives.

Good quote. I like your comet analogy. It's right on.

I think back on decisions I made growing up. Most of them turned out well. Actually, I had little clue what was really going on - Got lucky most of the time - that's it. At the time things seemed so small and unimportant. These were the small degrees of change you speak of. The older I got, the more I realized how lucky I was and was able to capitalize.

People ask me about going back in time and doing things different. "What if I did X or Y." I think to myself, if I were to go back and do things again, I'd probably fuck up somewhere and be in a much worse place now.

Post: #345

A lot of you guys on here don't realize that you can have both, while not necessarily focusing on one or the other. I made a post earlier today about passive income, and what you need to do to make money while you sleep.

If you are working for your money, you're already 5 steps behind. Make your money work for you.

Post: #346

(10-17-2014 11:36 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  You can buy women with money.
You can not buy money with women.

The entire business of club promoting is exchanging women for money, so what you said is simply not true. Also being a pimp is basically getting money for women.

Post: #347

Money and success I am going for.

Right now I am still in my early 20s, however due to work I made contacts and spent a lot of time with older guys who are in their early 30s. They had high notch counts, at some point in their life they discovered a niche or game but their lives apart from that were shit. Still living at home with their parents or in some dead end town that they grew up in.

In the end of the day women are a lot like an illusion, on instagram or walking down the street when they are wearing make up and dressed up to the nines; they become this object of intense desire. But when you actually get to know them, have sex with them etc and spend a considerable amount of time with them, you just feel the same shit; if anything you can feel worse off once the effect rides out.

Money though or I prefer to say successful lifestyle is something completely different. It has substance, builds your character and gives you something strong from within side yourself.

Post: #348

Put another way...

Most times it's difficult to determine a girl's worth, in fact you could end up taking a loss (Qualitative)

Conversely - I can spot a C-Note from a mile away (Quanitative)

M.O.B.

Post: #349

Yesterday I finished with my girl because of this.

My current day job is boring, out of my field of studies, I don't like it and its not well paid. Since my girl is in other country (Germany) I had told her I wanted to move there, try to get something more interesting, however I had to learn proper German and start with shit jobs to survive. Naturally I didn't want to re-start from the bottom of the chain.
The other day, while talking to my relatives, they had a great idea and I had an epiphany. The wheels started to spin and "the great plan" was set in motion. I decided I was going to start a business. It was not an easy choice for me, because I know this girl was in the unicorn zone, but I cannot live my life knowing that what i do most days does not make me happy. And i could not live my life with the girl I like while being miserable with a job I hate. One thing would start poisoning the other. No bueno. So I decided to pursue a dream of being my own boss, not answering to stupid policies, not dealing with crossovers, not racing for a 4% promotion and a fancy job title.

I'm talking with experts on the field, planning the product, making connections and try to show up on TV. February next year I should start making some cash.

Post: #350

(12-12-2011 01:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Harry, appreciate the responses. But two things.

Quote:The major difference is that while you are chasing them and gaming them, the shoe is on the other foot when you are wealthy.

Most of these girls are probably gold-diggers.

Game gets girls who are genuinely hot for your cock.

Quote:Anyone who thinks game is going to compete against real wealth is day dreaming though. Its a knock out punch for men under 40, its a cakewalk for men under 50 and the older boys over 60 could still get more ass in a weekend than Mystery would in a year if they wanted to.

Why? Because only 1% of that 10% you are talking about makes that sort of scratch. They are not around every corner and they are a fucking whale for any bitch that can land them and keep them for a while. If anyone is dumb enough to think that a few negs and a bit of "whatever we want to call it today game" is going to trump that, they are fucking delusional or retarded.

Now this argument is fucking ridiculous. We're having an academic discussion over whether or not game is more useful than money, and you come in saying "Well if you had 1 billion dollars it'd be better than any amount of game".

Who gives a shit? So what if money is better than game at the super ultra elite levels? None of us will ever be there unless we get very, very lucky.

I feel bad for anyone who desires to have that much money. What a fucking suckers life. You'd have to pedestalize money the same way a beta has oneitis for some random chick.

And, oh yeah, let's not forget about Mark Zuckerburg... BETA BILLIONAIRE!


Furthermore, you say

Quote:Thats the whole fucking point though. People look at a doctor pulling 350k a year and think the guy has money. He is upper middle class, he is not wealthy. He is well off, HE IS NOT WEALTHY.

So, really, money isn't better than game unless you are in the top .0001% income bracket?




Really? Is this the best defense the money guys have to offer? Game > Money, not even a contest now.

(12-10-2011 03:48 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 02:11 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Harry:

Quote:But I can tell you one thing, and thats that you wont see many guys in their 50's banging hot women in their 20's unless they have either a shitload of money

Why, because they are buying hookers? MiXX's grandfather impregnated a teen Columbina in his 70's... and MiXX's grandfather was not rich by any standard.

Jesus bro, you really need to stop sing anecdotal bullshit as justification for broad based views. This is what women do when they try to justify emotional positions they have taken by trying to rationalise things using one off examples.

This "anecdotal bullshit" is no more outrageous than your claim of needing to make over a million per year to have serious results with women.

MiXX's grandfather represented the top .0001% of men with game... and he's probably comparable to a guy whose income is in the top .0001%.




See, the question is: WHICH IS MORE USEFUL FOR THE AVERAGE MAN - GAME OR MONEY?

And game is such the obvious choice.


Of course, you want both game and money. But game gets a greater return on investment by a longshot.

Quote:1) WHAT IS "GAME?"
2) HOW NATURAL DOES MY "GAME" BECOME WHEN I HAVE MONEY
3) HOW MUCH MORE SEX DO I GET WHEN GAME IS COMING NATURALLY TO ME?

1. Game is your ability to make a woman lust for you
2. None at all. Mark Zuckerburg is a billionaire beta.
3. Which is why Game > Money



Athlone:

Quote:Not trolling, just being honest.

As for the rest of your points...what Hooligan Harry said.

Maybe you should read closely what Harry said... as a lawyer making even 160K, you're a joke. Time to start making those cold approaches, son.



By the way... Harry still has plenty of respect FOR THE GAME:

Hooligan Harry Wrote:

Vacancier Permanen Wrote:That's an awesome yet extremely telling experiment HH. I am not the least surprised the least by the results. And totally agree with you that when you reach a certain level of success/money, game becomes quite irrelevant as these hot babes/bitches will come to you and look for you.

I disagree with that. There is no doubt money makes it easy to pick women up and also fuck them, but if you are a useless chud with a fat wallet you are going to be taken advantage of. Women dont respect weak men no matter how good looking or wealthy they may be, so game is still important.

There is balance in everything. Money at this level is a game changer, although all it allows you to do is dictate everything on your terms. Managing that though is still going to require a way with bitches and if you have zero game you are going to have problems.

Samseau, very good post - you get it.

Exactly, game + money is cool, but money without game is 0, nada. Yeah sure, you can buy hookers or get some gold diggers, but at the end of the day you are a chump.

That is so ridiculous saying that you need at least 500k USD income per year or whatever to be really rich and to be able to pull girls with ease - well, good luck trying to get that kind of dough. lol

What is important is having freedom, being cool, being confident and having a good sense of style.

This below is the key quote:

(12-12-2011 01:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Of course, you want both game and money. But game gets a greater return on investment by a longshot.