Post: #301

The X-Rated (made for Playboy) version of Tupac's "How Do U Want It" video featuring singers K-Ci & JoJo, and the following harem of porn stars: Nina Hartley, Heather Hunter, and Angel Kelly (and more) is the stuff dreams are made of lol. A legendary moment in west coast hip hop.

(12-13-2011 05:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  M.O.B. (Money Over Bitches) is a term that was created by rappers right?

Didn't Tupac make this famous?

He could have banged different women everyday of his life. He also could have focused on business and making money. His advice was money over bitches. What does that tell you? A man who had women throwing themselves at him is telling us to choose money over hoes.

When you literally have millions of dollars and thousands of hoes, I will listen carefully to your opinion.

When you are not getting girls, they seem priceless. When you are fucking a few of them, they seem worthless for anything except sex. I guess it just comes down to individual preference. Some guys need the security of money to be happy, others would rather have a steady supply of p*ssy to be happy. I like a healthy balance of both.

Post: #302

It wasn't the money that killed him. Quite the contrary. He should have used discretion at times, but ultimately his lust for revenge & his ego got the best of him. In other words, he was killed over a bullshit fight with a gangbanger that was so petty & meaningless. I love Tupac, but I really think he should've refrained from beating down the now deceased gangbanger Orlando Anderson the night of the Mike Tyson fight. The folks that have researched his death have pretty much confirmed that Tupac's shooting later that night was directly related to the earlier beatdown of Mr. Anderson.

You just don't see guys like Jay-Z, Lil Wayne, etc. taking it 100% to the streets these days like Tupac once did. It's just too dangerous & the streets don't care who you are or how much money you have. Death is the great equalizer.

(12-13-2011 06:24 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-13-2011 05:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  M.O.B. (Money Over Bitches) is a term that was created by rappers right?

Didn't Tupac make this famous?

He could have banged different women everyday of his life. He also could have focused on business and making money. His advice was money over bitches. What does that tell you? A man who had women throwing themselves at him is telling us to choose money over hoes.

When you literally have millions of dollars and thousands of hoes, I will listen carefully to your opinion.

When you are not getting girls, they seem priceless. When you are fucking a few of them, they seem worthless for anything except sex. I guess it just comes down to individual preference. Some guys need the security of money to be happy, others would rather have a steady supply of p*ssy to be happy. I like a healthy balance of both.

Tupac was killed at 25. All that money did him a lot of good.



EDIT:

It was probably his love of money that created so many haters who ended up taking him down.

Post: #303

(12-13-2011 06:24 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Tupac was killed at 25. All that money did him a lot of good.

EDIT:

It was probably his love of money that created so many haters who ended up taking him down.

I wasn't suggesting that Tupac was smart or dumb with his money. Or, that money improved his life or not. Or, that money led to his death or not.

I am only highlighting the fact that he made alot of money and banged many, many women. And, after all that, he said "money over bitches". This leads me to believe that money is more important women. The only guys qualified to speak on this issue are guys who have made alot of money and banged alot of girls. If a man hasn't experienced both in large amounts, how would he know which is more important...?

Tupac did experience both in large amounts. That why I respect his opinion on this subject. His financial decisions, lifestyle, and music are different topics all together..

Post: #304

(12-12-2011 07:06 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Because he'd be loyal to the family and work hard to provide. He'd end up becoming more successful and he'd never cheat. He'd give the children amazing educations and make sure everyone was as happy as could be.

Quote:If you as a man, had the choice, would you choose an average woman of average looks over a dyme?

And if men had good sense, we'd choose the average women over the hot ones.

But we don't, and ignore the average women even though they are almost always superior wife material.

Your inner beta is showing.

Actually, its screaming.

Post: #305

You know nothing.

An alpha is nothing more than a man with choice of women. An alpha choosing an average woman for her wifely qualities is the most prudent thing he could do, provided he wants a stable family.

Post: #306

(12-15-2011 03:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  You know nothing.

An alpha is nothing more than a man with choice of women. An alpha choosing an average woman for her wifely qualities is the most prudent thing he could do, provided he wants a stable family.

Funny, you're showing your ignorance again.

Post: #307

If you can get bitches without money, then money is your concern.
If you can't get bitches without money, then bitches are your concern (and possibly money too).

Yet, nothing turns on hot bitches more than an ambitious man who displays signs of freedom.

If you're going after the big cheese, something relatively disposable (like bitches) come and go along the way.

If you want kids and want to stay alpha, find yourself a regular (girl next door) type girl who won't get in the way of your alpha-ness. I've come to the understanding that most sweet girls will let you get away with hooking up with other girls as long as you continue treating them with respect and not rubbing it in their faces. If you're subtle, ambitious, and alpha, you can go a long way in this world.

Post: #308

...Hoes got Tupac locked up

...Money got him killed

.....

Pick Knowledge.


Chasing knowledge can give you the tools to attain and excel at all aspects of life - including Money and Women. Pac was knowledgeable also, dude was wise way beyond his years.

Post: #309

Motivation has a lot to do with belief.

People don't want to be wrong. Especially since they don't want to believe that they made the wrong decision in life to forgo opportunities. People don't want to come to the realization that they may have possibly made a wrong decision and have regrets. Therefore, people's emotions come out in force as expected.

Think about it more closely. Guys are throwing away the potential to make big bucks the conventional way (med school, law school, etc) or the riskier way (business, etc.). When people are young, they are like a comet course on a path toward the earth. That is what youth is like. If the comet is very far away, only a few degrees to the left or right will avoid calamity for the earth. Make the right decisions young, and you will reap the fruit of your rewards later on. However, just as the comet gets closer to the earth, you're going to need to move it to a larger degree and use more force. Sometimes, it's impossible to stop the comet at all. This is what happens to guys who threw away their youth and now have regrets about it, and can't do much to change their lives.

Look, I get it that men age like wine and women age like milk, but you're not going to stay young forever. When you're young, you can take a lot of s***. You can endure all sorts of abuses towards your body. You have the highest libido and the highest amount of energy you will ever have in your life. What you do with these assets is up to you. It is up to you to use Nature's gifts wisely.

Guys who preach the virtues of Game are hoping that as they get older their financial situation won't hinder them from banging women as they get older. These guys are also hoping that economic conditions in 3rd world nations will continue to be horrible so they can live cheaply there. What will happen if a worldwide depression will occur? The main problem with these guys is that these guys have no control over their lives.

Guys who preach the virtues of money are hoping for an early retirement (before 30), plenty of free time, and not having to worry about how much anything costs. They are hoping that their youth was not ill spent.

Underlying both of these perspectives and views is...fear.

We regret more of what we don't do than what we do.

To each his own.

Post: #310

(12-15-2011 11:39 PM)blurb Wrote:  Motivation has a lot to do with belief.

People don't want to be wrong. Especially since they don't want to believe that they made the wrong decision in life to forgo opportunities. People don't want to come to the realization that they may have possibly made a wrong decision and have regrets. Therefore, people's emotions come out in force as expected.

Think about it more closely. Guys are throwing away the potential to make big bucks the conventional way (med school, law school, etc) or the riskier way (business, etc.). When people are young, they are like a comet course on a path toward the earth. That is what youth is like. If the comet is very far away, only a few degrees to the left or right will avoid calamity for the earth. Make the right decisions young, and you will reap the fruit of your rewards later on. However, just as the comet gets closer to the earth, you're going to need to move it to a larger degree and use more force. Sometimes, it's impossible to stop the comet at all. This is what happens to guys who threw away their youth and now have regrets about it, and can't do much to change their lives.

Look, I get it that men age like wine and women age like milk, but you're not going to stay young forever. When you're young, you can take a lot of s***. You can endure all sorts of abuses towards your body. You have the highest libido and the highest amount of energy you will ever have in your life. What you do with these assets is up to you. It is up to you to use Nature's gifts wisely.

Guys who preach the virtues of Game are hoping that as they get older their financial situation won't hinder them from banging women as they get older. These guys are also hoping that economic conditions in 3rd world nations will continue to be horrible so they can live cheaply there. What will happen if a worldwide depression will occur? The main problem with these guys is that these guys have no control over their lives.

Guys who preach the virtues of money are hoping for an early retirement (before 30), plenty of free time, and not having to worry about how much anything costs. They are hoping that their youth was not ill spent.

Underlying both of these perspectives and views is...fear.

We regret more of what we don't do than what we do.

To each his own.

Who says you can't do both?

Find a nice downtown apartment and you can easily approach girls every day of the week. You might only go to the clubs 2 nights a week but you can do a hour of day approaching every day. This will allow you to hustle on business the rest of the time(8 hours a day easy).
Of course time management may get harder as you pile on the fuck buddies from your rapidly improving game.

If you're in college this is even easier, just incorporate game into your campus life. No you don't need to be going direct on girls and hurting your reputation but its fucking easy to start a conversation with any prop since you both go to the same college.

Post: #311

(12-15-2011 01:13 PM)kosko Wrote:  ...Hoes got Tupac locked up

...Money got him killed

.....

Pick Knowledge.


Chasing knowledge can give you the tools to attain and excel at all aspects of life - including Money and Women. Pac was knowledgeable also, dude was wise way beyond his years.

Okay I'm drunk right now, after a bunk night out trying to see what's up with some stuck up, attention whoring bitches, so this post may not be the most coherent.

It is true that Tupac got locked up on a rape charge, that he claims was a false and bogus charge, with a drunk groupie bitch, that basically got "buyers remorse".

I think dude did a two year stint at the Clinton maximum security prison in upstate N.Y. ( I might be off on that).

In one of his songs ("Scandelous" I think) from the "All Eyez on Me" album, Tupac spits the line "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", this was my signature on the rooshv forum for a while. I feel Tupac and where he was coming from, getting fucked over by a psycho scornful bitch.

He experienced first hand how "bitches be scandelous".

Post: #312

(12-13-2011 06:24 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-13-2011 05:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  M.O.B. (Money Over Bitches) is a term that was created by rappers right?

Didn't Tupac make this famous?

He could have banged different women everyday of his life. He also could have focused on business and making money. His advice was money over bitches. What does that tell you? A man who had women throwing themselves at him is telling us to choose money over hoes.

When you literally have millions of dollars and thousands of hoes, I will listen carefully to your opinion.

When you are not getting girls, they seem priceless. When you are fucking a few of them, they seem worthless for anything except sex. I guess it just comes down to individual preference. Some guys need the security of money to be happy, others would rather have a steady supply of p*ssy to be happy. I like a healthy balance of both.

Tupac was killed at 25. All that money did him a lot of good.



EDIT:

It was probably his love of money that created so many haters who ended up taking him down.

You're really reaching with that analogy. Me thinks Tupac's background and gangster affiliations had more to do with his death then money.

You don't see Warren Buffet dying in a drive-by on the vegas strip.

Post: #313

Bump.

People were arguing over the merits of money vs. game, and the discussion got carried away and didn't address a specific question the OP brought up:

(06-30-2010 11:58 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Would you spend most of your 20's focused and consumed with making big $$, with limited success with women, but have 100's of thousands saved for your 30's, or would you be the guy that partied hard and got laid with 100's of women, but only has a few thousand to your name by the time you hit 30?

He's not asking whether money or game is better, he's asking what a young guy (late teens, early 20s) should decide to do.

I especially like these articles:

Youth Not Squandered

Reminder for the Baby Faced

On another note, some guys make it sound like your 30s and 40s are the absolute worst years of your life. Let's face it, your 30s and 40s are not the worst years of your life nor a death sentence to celibacy. I think that feminism and female projection has seriously gotten ahold of a lot of males in the U.S. It's women that have to worry about getting older, not men. Stay in shape. Eat healty. Exercise. Make the right choices now so you'll be in shape in your later years.

Look at Mixx. Look at GManifesto. Look at Roosh. Correct me if I am wrong, but judging from their writings, they have had more success with women right now, in their 30s, than they did in their 20s. Roosh has had more success in Poland at the age of 32 than he ever did in his entire 20s (judging from his writings). Roosh basically had a f**kfest in Poland...in his thirties!

When it comes to having the time to meet women, I think the truth of the matter is that people have more free time than they like to admit.

Even if you don't have the time to go out at night 5 times a week or more, I can think of a few opportunities to game women besides night game: day game and internet game.

Here's an example of a 43-year-old male swooping a 27-year-old female via Heartiste:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...z1kZNJ9Olc



Yeah, she left a 21-year-old for a 43-year-old.

Bottomline: Stay in shape. Build muscle. Have a good body. Make $$$ so you can travel and have a lifestyle you want. Practice Game. It can all be done.

Just my 2 cents.

Post: #314

(01-29-2012 10:10 PM)blurb Wrote:  On another note, some guys make it sound like your 30s and 40s are the absolute worst years of your life. Let's face it, your 30s and 40s are not the worst years of your life nor a death sentence to celibacy. I think that feminism and female projection has seriously gotten ahold of a lot of males in the U.S. It's women that have to worry about getting older, not men. Stay in shape. Eat healty. Exercise. Make the right choices now so you'll be in shape in your later years.

Bingo. What we're seeing is the result of female rationalization hamsters pushing their logic onto men.
This goes back to Solomon's old post on "The Marriage Zone".



Men (assuming they've stayed in shape and have established a decent career) peak in the 30's and early 40's. This is the best time to be a guy in the dating world.
It is advantageous to women to try and obscure this, and their rationalization hamsters will do this subconsciously by shaming men who don't get hitched within "The Marriage Zone" (26-28). They'll also try to make it seem as though men above that age are "creepy" and don't do that well in the dating world. They're simply trying to preserve their power in the mating market-its pure self interest, and most will do it without even thinking (even if they themselves may be open to being with an attractive older guy).

The media appeals primarily to women (women account for 85% or more of the wealth allocation and consumer spending in this country), so they to will further this message on TV, in Movies, and just about everywhere else.

This has worked-a lot of young men have bought into the paradigm women have set out of self-interest. Reality, of course, is different.
In reality, the only men for whom the 30's and 40's are TRULY miserable are the men who bought into the paradigm at 26-28 and got trapped in the marriage zone by a woman.

This means that during the 30's and 40's, they will most likely:
A. Be stuck with a plumper who was once fit and cute (just cute enough to trap him).
B. Be facing the distinct possibility of divorce and the potential loss of everything they've worked for.
C. Be stuck in a sexless marriage with said plumper, one in which he's also constantly bickering or being nagged/yelled at.
D. All of the above.

This is what marriage is usually like in this society. For these men, the 30's and 40's really are the worst years of your life.

You choose your destiny. Avoid the trap by following Solomon's advice, and this can (and should) be the greatest years you'll have. It isn't a coincidence that all of the top players on this forum (MiXX, G, Roosh, HH, Tuth, Mike, HC, etc) are in their 30's.

Post: #315

For completeness

(01-19-2012 09:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:  It's discouraging to see guys think lifestyle and game are separate when they are complimentary.

The guys who swear by lifestyle... you can approach a woman and have a fun conversation, right? You know how attraction works, right? You know the logistics of how to seal the deal, right? You know how to turn on a woman, right? Where did that come from? Not working hard at your job and not working at the gym. It comes from boots-on-the-ground interactions with women.

Lifestyle is a 5 year plan (or more). It takes time to build your empire. Game starts seeing result in 5 weeks. Both are needed to see your potential, but the older guys criticizing game can do so because they've already, whether they want to admit it or not, been practicing game for over 10 years. They already have hundreds of interactions with women that they've taken for granted. To advise a 23 year old kid to forget about game and just make money is dangerous and disingenuous advice.

Start with game, build your skills, and then figure out a lifestyle where the game you've learned will make it easy and effortless.

(01-19-2012 11:59 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  I will go to my death bed knowing that game is king. Lifestyle alone will get you nothing, except the occasional gold-digger. Just watch "Millionaire Matchmaker," and see how these guys with amazing lifestyles can't close the deal even when the pussy is served up on a platter for them.

Game alone, on the other hand, will get you laid. You could be a guy wearing a pair of cargo shorts and a tight shirt that accentuates your pot belly, who lives in his parents' basement, but if you have a valid state ID, can approach girls, spit lyrics, and angle logistics correctly, you will have a steady stream of girls you aren't paying for.

At the end of the day, lifestyle is good is you have the game to parlay it into something. Otherwise, you're just another one of these corporate exec clowns, who drives a Bentley, lives in a Penthouse, but is married to a cow and pays for escorts on the weekends.

Post: #316

One thing that I've noticed is that the older guys (30-40's), that are successful with women, typically are successful in life and have that "lifestyle" angle covered.

Not that I know any of them personally, but it sounds like Mixx, G-Manifesto, MikeCF, have their financial shit together and are living very comfortable lifestyles. Even Roosh, who at one time was probably pretty broke, is most likely doing quite well for himself.

I believe that once you're older women expect more from you. I know that college girls and women in their early to mid 20's don't really have that much money and are easily impressed, but they are going to want to see that an older guy in his 30's has his shit together. If you're 34, live in a shitty run down studio apartment, have shitty thrift store furniture, etc., it's going to be a lot harder for you than if you're the guy with the nice clothes, nice car, pimp penthouse, money to spend, etc.

Some guys kind of peak in terms of their looks in their early 30's as they've spent their time in the gym, cultivated their style (wardrobe), and eaten well and taken care of their skin. But, realistically, I think most guys looks start to decline in their 30's, especially around when they turn 35. So basically, when you're 26 you can rely on your looks more if you're a good looking guy, but inevitably you're going to age, and you're going to need to bring more to the table.

I'm only 27, so I'm not really a young cat anymore, but I'm not really that old either, and I can say that as I've aged I've definitely seen an increase in my success with women. However, I'm probably not the best example because I didn't "discover game" until I was 25, and basically had my head up my ass prior to that. In my early to mid 20's I was very focused on making money and I had a few very successful years. Unfortunately, my ability to make money has severely dropped, but with proper money management, I should be pretty comfortable and well set up for my 30's.

I have a friend who a pretty good looking guy, but I really feel that he over hypes or overestimates his looks, he claims that he looks like Brad Pitt and has had a bunch of women tell him that (I call B.S.). But anyways, he claims that in his 20's he killed it and had women throwing themselves at him, he says that he averaged around 15-20 new notches a year. Now he's in his mid 30's his looks are starting to fade and he doesn't have women showing him the same love. He partied hard during his 20's and never got his education, career, business, etc. shit tight, and now he's living a really modest lifestyle, with very limited financial ends. Therefore the lifestyle that he could provide to help him keep getting laid is unavailable to him (nice apartment, car, furniture, clothes, dinners at nice restaurants, top shelf liquor, etc.), and he can no longer get laid solely on the strength of his looks. Looks and game can get you more when you're young, but as you get older you need the lifestyle too.

Post: #317

(01-30-2012 02:06 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Even Roosh, who at one time was probably pretty broke, is most likely doing quite well for himself.

I don't know about that. Roosh said said that getting a self-employment visa in Estonia required "only" $40k income a year (his emphasis note mine). With the amount of traffic he's getting he ought to put some ads up on the site.

Post: #318

Coming from someone who was incredibly omega when he graduated college I believe money is still the way to go assuming you can get it. There is a diminishing return to money just like game and other things and I could certainly see how it becomes more important as we age since the older guys here have advised to keep saving while younger guys say just focus on game. A girl in her low 20's believes she still has large upside so she does not care as mic abou your bank account, when she hits 29 and is forced to think logically (bio clock ticking) she begins to get annoyed with the avg earning dude. As a rule of thumb I'd say every time you double your cash you'll see a notch level improvement starting at about $40K. Finally, he biggest reason I would suggest stacking cash young if you can, you need money to learn game. Need a gym, need to be able to drink, need to be able to improve life experiences, need new threads, it goes on. Essentially without freedom you've got nothing, but there is a large diminishing return aspect as well.

Post: #319

What I'm taking away from the MOB debate:

1. Game will start yielding results much faster than money (think Roosh said somewhere 5 weeks vs possibly 5 years). So I started learning game right away while working on money/lifestyle simultaneously for a bit more long term. There is for the most part really no reason why you can't do both at the same time. It's not necessary to read about game 24 hours a day.

2. You can get layed without money but it definately helps to have some. Just having ENOUGH money (coupled with game) is what I'm aiming for. There are a lot of guys who earn good money but who still doesn't get girls due their lifestyles and not having any game. Extreme money can help you get laid with model types even with a minimal level of game and effort. For the majority though, it is very difficult and takes a long time to attain this kind of wealth.

3. With age the relative importance of money increases.

Post: #320

@ solo believe that is accurate. For those that are on the good career path I kind of have that 2x theory wired based on the guys I see around. 80 to 160 is a huge jump as with 160 to 320 rtc.
But on paper 200-250 is really the same just like 100-150 is roughly the same if you manage money well.

Agree that game is much better for average people but it does peak out. I would wager that if Roosh went hard GQ and was making $1M his "average is a 7" would be average is an "8". Just an opinion though.

Post: #321

(04-12-2012 08:19 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  Coming from someone who was incredibly omega when he graduated college I believe money is still the way to go assuming you can get it. There is a diminishing return to money just like game and other things and I could certainly see how it becomes more important as we age since the older guys here have advised to keep saving while younger guys say just focus on game. A girl in her low 20's believes she still has large upside so she does not care as mic abou your bank account, when she hits 29 and is forced to think logically (bio clock ticking) she begins to get annoyed with the avg earning dude. As a rule of thumb I'd say every time you double your cash you'll see a notch level improvement starting at about $40K. Finally, he biggest reason I would suggest stacking cash young if you can, you need money to learn game. Need a gym, need to be able to drink, need to be able to improve life experiences, need new threads, it goes on. Essentially without freedom you've got nothing, but there is a large diminishing return aspect as well.

Old post but was researching the subject for peace of mind in my own decision making.

I think this makes a lot of logical sense.

I'd say if you have average looks/style and base level of game should pan out to:

$40k - getting 6s on the regular
$80k - getting 7s regularly
$160k - ability to be getting 8s (and have them stick around for a bit "good life exposure")
$320k - ability to be getting 9s (and have them stick around for a bit "good life exposure")
Those 8's and 9's also unless they are really into that guy and have hearts of gold probably won't stick around long (standard fuck buddy situation or relationship). Maybe for a few months if the guy happens to get lucky that he is exactly her type, but way too much competition from guys with better game/looks/wealth to steal her away swiftly.


If your game is really tight and your looks are pretty good/ style is great, I'd say that $160k mark is really where you should really have the social connections, events, style, place/location, etc... you should be doing nothing but 7.5+ with a majority of what you're get being 8+. I see a HUGE drop in diminishing returns after that in quality for more cashing barring gold diggers, famous women, or being older than 45-50. At that point rather than focusing on more money, I'd use my existing money to attend events, make social connections, throw good tips, get in with the staff, promoters etc where all the top talent will be, so I am assured of access to 8+'s always. Pretty much massive social circle improvement leveraged by your ability to spend a bit more.

Unless you have trustfund type wealth as a guy under 40, holding onto a 7.5+ for any extended period of time in America without pretty tight game I think is impossible.

Post: #322

At Travesty, maybe I'm an exception, but I have no interest in keeping any girl around. I simply need variety, and find that I become irritated by women that I spend more than a little time with.

Re the topic of the thread, I'm sure it's been said before, but there is a massive difference between the characteristics that make a girl feel like she wants you for a boyfriend (money, lifestyle, etc), and the characteristics that make her feel like she wants to fuck you right then and there (dominance, looks, confidence etc). Obviously the ideal is to have both, but if you could only choose one area, I would focus on the latter.

I also think that living your life as you want to is important. If making money as an entrepreneur does that for you then great, but you'd probably get more pussy by being a dive instructor on some island, or a bar man etc. I guess what I'm trying to say is make money, but do it for yourself not because you think it will help get girls.

Post: #323

I think happiness> women/money, but money and women are parts of happiness.
Money gives access to quality women and can make things quicker, game seals the deal. Both are important.
U can fuck with money and no game. U can also fuck with no money and with game.
When u don't make enough money, it can cut down on ur confidence and game man. Not enough money means u can't go to clubs and cafes where they are hot girls. Not enough... So U need a minimum amount of money, the only difference is that that amount changes with age and location. But money can keep you trapped in a place where there are few hot chicks and make you spend a lot of time.
Same with game, bad game means rejections and slower progression.

Post: #324

In any country, I observe that "real money" only gives you big leverage if your income is 10 times that of average national income or more.

In US, it's $500k and over.
In Thailand, It's $36K and over.

$100K in US is a lot of money for a single guy but it doesn't get you to cut line of popular club in LA, backstage access to fashion show, or chartering a jet for your favorite chick to St. Barts on your birthday.

People who make 7 figs income in US could easily hire PRO wingman to go out with him EVERY SINGLE NIGHT or even hire a PA to do the "online game" for him.

Sure, you can do all these by yourselves but wouldn't you rather spend your valuable time making money and use a portion of that money to leverage your game?

Remember, time is the only irreplaceable resource you have.

Post: #325

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