Post: #26

(04-20-2013 03:29 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  Edit --

Yes, it's Friday night, I'm home, not getting any poon tonight and I'm talking about space aliens.

What is poon compared to the mysteries of the universe?

Post: #27

I'm really geeking out now, but just expanding further, on that map is a star called Tau Ceti that's 12 light years from earth. From wikipedia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tau_Ceti

Quote:Since December 2012, there has been evidence of possibly five planets orbiting Tau Ceti, with one of these being potentially in the habitable zone.[11][12] Because of its debris disk, any planet orbiting Tau Ceti would face far more impact events than the Earth. Despite this hurdle to habitability, its solar analog (Sun-like) characteristics have led to widespread interest in the star. Given its stability, similarity and relative proximity to the Sun, Tau Ceti is consistently listed as a target for the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI), and it appears in some science fiction literature.[13]

Pretty interesting, a very sun-like G-class star with possibly 5 planets orbiting, one potentially in the habitable zone. And it's quite near-by, relatively.

Post: #28

I don't know if I believe that story speakeasy. I read up on it and Betty's sister had claimed to see a UFO years before that incident. I wanna believe stories like this but I think these people are so delusional and tell themselves the abduction stories over and over when nothing even happened.

Quote:I was present at the National UFO Conference in New York City in 1980, at which Betty presented some of the UFO photos she had taken. She showed what must have been well over two hundred slides, mostly of blips, blurs, and blobs against a dark background. These were supposed to be UFOs coming in close, chasing her car, landing, etc... After her talk had exceeded about twice its allotted time, Betty was literally jeered off the stage by what had been at first a very sympathetic audience. This incident, witnessed by many of UFOlogy's leaders and top activists, removed any lingering doubts about Betty's credibility — she had none. In the oft-repeated words of one UFOlogist who accompanied Betty on a UFO vigil in 1977, she was "unable to distinguish between a landed UFO and a streetlight." In 1995, Betty Hill wrote a self-published book, A Common Sense Approach to UFOs. It is filled with obviously delusional stories, such as seeing entire squadrons of UFOs in flight and a truck levitating above the freeway.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4124

Post: #29

(04-20-2013 04:54 AM)houston Wrote:  I don't know if I believe that story speakeasy. I read up on it and Betty's sister had claimed to see a UFO years before that incident. I wanna believe stories like this but I think these people are so delusional and tell themselves the abduction stories over and over when nothing even happened.

Quote:I was present at the National UFO Conference in New York City in 1980, at which Betty presented some of the UFO photos she had taken. She showed what must have been well over two hundred slides, mostly of blips, blurs, and blobs against a dark background. These were supposed to be UFOs coming in close, chasing her car, landing, etc... After her talk had exceeded about twice its allotted time, Betty was literally jeered off the stage by what had been at first a very sympathetic audience. This incident, witnessed by many of UFOlogy's leaders and top activists, removed any lingering doubts about Betty's credibility — she had none. In the oft-repeated words of one UFOlogist who accompanied Betty on a UFO vigil in 1977, she was "unable to distinguish between a landed UFO and a streetlight." In 1995, Betty Hill wrote a self-published book, A Common Sense Approach to UFOs. It is filled with obviously delusional stories, such as seeing entire squadrons of UFOs in flight and a truck levitating above the freeway.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4124

Who knows, maybe she was trying to profit off it later on or got delusional. But I think the star map thing is pretty compelling since we hadn't charted those stars at the time she drew the map and that they all correspond to just the type of stars most likely to host life.

Okay, I just read the whole article. I think they are really pushing hard to try and discredit the story. But they did acknowledge that the Air Force radar picked up a UFO on radar during the time they were gone, which the website said is "probably a weather balloon". Not that they have proof of that, it's just their speculation.

I agree with these guy's comment:

Quote:From the article;

"But is it possible that Betty's obsession with UFOs could have been caused by her trauma from a genuine abduction? Yes, it's possible that it could have pushed her further in that direction, but Betty had commonly spoken of UFOs even before 1961, including one story she often told of her sister's own close encounter in 1957."

In particular - "...but Betty had commonly spoken of UFOs even before 1961".

Show me this. Where in all the documentation about the case is it shown that she 'commonly spoke' about UFO's.

"...including one story she often told of her sister's own close encounter in 1957."

Show me this. That is - show me whare in the documnetation she "often told" of her sister's close encounter. Knowing that your sister had a close encounter, and occasionally mentioning it to a friend does not make one a UFO nut.

There's no doubt that she went off the deep end with her sightings of UFO's in later years, but was this the result of a kind of PTSD from her experience or was her "experience" the incipient stage of a burgeoning delusion.

Who knows.

Chuck, Portland, ME
March 08, 2013 10:18am[quote]

Post: #30

Them finding us/us finding them, that's a big maybe. What's definite is that we'd better find a way off this rock if we plan to survive as a species beyond the next century or so. We are shitting where we eat at an ever-increasing rate...

Post: #31

So do you think we might of been created by aliens Speakeasy or that maybe they're watching us like an alien ant farm?

Post: #32

(04-20-2013 05:15 AM)houston Wrote:  So do you think we might of been created by aliens Speakeasy or that maybe they're watching us like an alien ant farm?

The only thing we know for a fact is that when conditions for life became right on Earth, the first simple lifeforms appeared pretty quickly. It seems that life will happen when things align right. And it seems as though from fossil evidence, life here developed on its own. Could some advanced alien civilization maybe seeded life here? Who knows. We'll only know that when they come down and tell us. I think there are aliens and they visit, but they have nothing to learn from us and just observe us the way we observe animals on the plains of Africa.

Have you ever read about cattle mutilations? That stuff is freaky. Some say aliens are doing it, some say there are other explanations. Until someone catches it happening on video, we'll never know for sure. But something very weird is going on there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation

Post: #33

I've heard of cattle mutilations and just read that page right now. Why are aliens scared of us and being so secretive if they keep on visiting us?

Post: #34

If there were an alien race that possessed the technology to travel more than 1,200 light years, we wouldn't even be a speck of shit on their shoes. We would be more insignificant than gnat in the Amazon, not even a passing thought or lingering sentiment.

Be like driving 40,000 miles to eat at Arby's...

Post: #35

(04-20-2013 05:42 AM)houston Wrote:  I've heard of cattle mutilations and just read that page right now. Why are aliens scared of us and being so secretive if they keep on visiting us?

I doubt they're scared of us. They may just have a policy of non-interference in developing civilizations. Like the prime directive from Star Trek. That's my only guess.

(04-20-2013 05:47 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  If there were an alien race that possessed the technology to travel more than 1,200 light years, we wouldn't even be a speck of shit on their shoes. We would be more insignificant than gnat in the Amazon, not even a passing thought or lingering sentiment.

Be like driving 40,000 miles to eat at Arby's...

I don't agree. I mean imagine if one of NASA's satellites around Mars had photographed some sort of primitive cave people indigenous to that world. We'd be intrigued and want to study them, even if they are primitive.

Post: #36

(04-20-2013 05:49 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  I don't agree. I mean imagine if one of NASA's satellites around Mars had photographed some sort of primitive cave people indigenous to that world. We'd be intrigued and want to study them, even if they are primitive.

Yeah... I'm in 100% agreement. That's exactly what we would do because we're fucking stupid and don't possess the technology to travel 1,200 light years.

Post: #37

Discovering life on Mars would be the biggest thing to affect our existence because that's "sooooooooooo far away" and "soooooooo alien" incredible.

If we could casually travel 1,200 light years. No one would give two shits if there were other civilizations on Mars.

We would think about Mars as much as I think about a piece of a broken brick behind my tool shed.

Post: #38

(04-20-2013 05:05 AM)ZeD9 Wrote:  Them finding us/us finding them, that's a big maybe. What's definite is that we'd better find a way off this rock if we plan to survive as a species beyond the next century or so. We are shitting where we eat at an ever-increasing rate...

Leaving planet earth is a relatively simple task that will almost certainly happen this century, traveling to mars, setting up a base on our moon or even on the moons of saturn and jupiter are all technically feasible within this century.
However setting up a permanent independent extraterrestrial settlement for a large population of humans is a far more difficult task to achieve. For starters it is unknown if a human could survive for a long period of time on mars or any other rocky planet/moon even if it was terraformed due to the reduced gravity. It may turn out that humans cannot reproduce successive generations in a reduced gravity environment. This maybe true also for any livestock we bring with us for a permanent supply of food.
Traveling to a earth like planet outside our solar system is probably the only way that we could permanently leave earth, however manned extrasolar travel is highly unlikely to be achieved this century due to the immense difficulties involved.
So for the foreseeable future we are stuck on earth with no way to permanently leave it and we are using more and more of our resources. Like the civilizations on Easter Island who were stuck on the island in the pacific ocean with no way to leave. Their natural resources on the island were limited and war erupted between the various tribes competing for the remaining resources.

Will we survive this century?

Post: #39

I recommend you guys to take a look at the Syrius documentary that is going to come out in Two days in some theatres in L.A

You should watch the trailer, it looks promising, Joe rogan had an entire podcast on it, that shit will blow your mind.

There is life out there, there has always been, just the simple fact that We exist is a proof of life in the Cosmos

We live on a small blue ball that is like a grain of sand on a beach compare to the Cosmos and we have elephants,whale,birds,lizards,lions,gorillas,giraffes and much more.

The amount of variety of life on Earth is already ridiculous, an elephant looks as alien to me as it gets, its a huge grey creature with horns sticking out of it's face, I'm some sort of monkey with carbon fibers sticking out of his head.

If you just close your eyes and look at earth as if you are out in space and zooming in to see what is here, the amount of difference and strangeness is ridiculous.
Denying the existence of intelligence life out there appears to me as a lack of logic.

Post: #40

(04-20-2013 06:33 AM)le prince perdu Wrote:  I recommend you guys to take a look at the Syrius documentary that is going to come out in Two days in some theatres in L.A

You should watch the trailer, it looks promising, Joe rogan had an entire podcast on it, that shit will blow your mind.

There is life out there, there has always been, just the simple fact that We exist is a proof of life in the Cosmos

We live on a small blue ball that is like a grain of sand on a beach compare to the Cosmos and we have elephants,whale,birds,lizards,lions,gorillas,giraffes and much more.

The amount of variety of life on Earth is already ridiculous, an elephant looks as alien to me as it gets, its a huge grey creature with horns sticking out of it's face, I'm some sort of monkey with carbon fibers sticking out of his head.

If you just close your eyes and look at earth as if you are out in space and zooming in to see what is here, the amount of difference and strangeness is ridiculous.
Denying the existence of intelligence life out there appears to me as a lack of logic.

So true, if you look at a colossal squid, that shit is about as alien looking as it gets.



And we have tons of things that look like they don't come from this world. Joe Rogan posted this on FB today, this weird looking blue slug that lives in the Atlantic, tell me this doesn't look alien:



We often forget that we have things like carnivorous plants right here on earth. Plants that catch and eat meat! WTF. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around that. It's crazy what's here without even leaving the planet. Aliens on other planets would trip out on the "alien" lifeforms we have here. It's just as crazy as anything in the movie Avatar.

And another thing, we're aliens just as much as as any aliens in space. Somebody out there would be freaked out by our appearance and would think earth is some weird planet full of strange, exotic life.

Post: #41

(04-20-2013 05:15 AM)houston Wrote:  So do you think we might of been created by aliens Speakeasy or that maybe they're watching us like an alien ant farm?

There's a lot of stories out there I've read, I don't know what to believe but it's a bit of fun reading and imagining the possibility of it being true, but there's stuff saying there are hostile aliens and non hostile aliens, there has been communication with governments with them and all that. One of the stories says that one race is trying to preserve the planet and keep humans from blowing the world and each other up. I've seen a video you can search for on youtube about supposedly UFOs dismantling a missile in flight. It looks suspicious, I can't really offer an explanation for it. The missile is flying along, and suddenly starts to slow down, and where the missile would explode it slowly turns into a vapour cloud, and there are three lights flashing around the missile head which seem to form a triangle. That's what the video is supposedly of anyway. Check it out for yourself.

Post: #42

Also, I've seen a lot of information about why no humans have ever returned to the moon because there's an alien settlement there. Some astronauts have also confirmed what they've seen.

There are youtube clips of guys looking through telescopes and seeing structures on the moon.
There's also documentaries of astronomers throughout human history recording seeing lights moving on the moon's surface and also reporting structures that are even bigger than the Burj. Look for that too.

Post: #43

so where is the suns' location in terms of that pic

Post: #44

(04-20-2013 07:51 AM)MattC Wrote:  There's a lot of stories out there I've read, I don't know what to believe but it's a bit of fun reading and imagining the possibility of it being true, but there's stuff saying there are hostile aliens and non hostile aliens, there has been communication with governments with them and all that. One of the stories says that one race is trying to preserve the planet and keep humans from blowing the world and each other up. I've seen a video you can search for on youtube about supposedly UFOs dismantling a missile in flight. It looks suspicious, I can't really offer an explanation for it. The missile is flying along, and suddenly starts to slow down, and where the missile would explode it slowly turns into a vapour cloud, and there are three lights flashing around the missile head which seem to form a triangle. That's what the video is supposedly of anyway. Check it out for yourself.

(04-20-2013 07:56 AM)MattC Wrote:  Also, I've seen a lot of information about why no humans have ever returned to the moon because there's an alien settlement there. Some astronauts have also confirmed what they've seen.

There are youtube clips of guys looking through telescopes and seeing structures on the moon.
There's also documentaries of astronomers throughout human history recording seeing lights moving on the moon's surface and also reporting structures that are even bigger than the Burj. Look for that too.

I have to say that everything sounds a bit far-fetched. Could you embed some of the youtube clips you mentioned?

Post: #45

(04-20-2013 09:39 AM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 07:51 AM)MattC Wrote:  There's a lot of stories out there I've read, I don't know what to believe but it's a bit of fun reading and imagining the possibility of it being true, but there's stuff saying there are hostile aliens and non hostile aliens, there has been communication with governments with them and all that. One of the stories says that one race is trying to preserve the planet and keep humans from blowing the world and each other up. I've seen a video you can search for on youtube about supposedly UFOs dismantling a missile in flight. It looks suspicious, I can't really offer an explanation for it. The missile is flying along, and suddenly starts to slow down, and where the missile would explode it slowly turns into a vapour cloud, and there are three lights flashing around the missile head which seem to form a triangle. That's what the video is supposedly of anyway. Check it out for yourself.

(04-20-2013 07:56 AM)MattC Wrote:  Also, I've seen a lot of information about why no humans have ever returned to the moon because there's an alien settlement there. Some astronauts have also confirmed what they've seen.

There are youtube clips of guys looking through telescopes and seeing structures on the moon.
There's also documentaries of astronomers throughout human history recording seeing lights moving on the moon's surface and also reporting structures that are even bigger than the Burj. Look for that too.

I have to say that everything sounds a bit far-fetched. Could you embed some of the youtube clips you mentioned?

It does sound farfetched mate, I don't like talking about it because it makes me sound kind of crazy. I like reading up on it, it's an interesting thing to see but I in no way believe absolutely everything I read on account of it sounding so stupid. Here's an article that makes fuck all sense, but kind of fun to read and imagine the possibility. I don't believe it though really:

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/har...vasion.htm

Quote:One should remember, it was George Bush who first started selling drugs to our children. The drug money was used to finance the deep underground alien bases.

Cuckoo.

As I said, it's fun to read.

Here's some of the videos I mentioned before. I was on my phone so didn't link them:





Although the guy, which I've just now seen, in the top comments kind of debunks what I originally said.

This is a really interesting article on a UFO sighting from Turkey in 2009 which lots of people saw. The guy has analysed the video, zoomed in and played around with the lighting to the point where you can see figures in the spaceship.

http://archivosovni2.blogspot.co.uk/

Highly recommend reading that.



Regarding the sighting:

Quote:The original tape was handed to the TUBITAK representatives on live TV in their own headquarters. Once the analysis concluded, they gave an official report, from which we took the following fragment:

"The objects observed on the images have a structure made of a specific material and definitely its not any kind of CGI animation or in any means a type of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for video effects. So the conclusion of this report is that the observations are not a model, marquette, or a fraud" and the last part of the report, "it's concluded that the objects observed have a physical structure and are made of materials that don't belong to any category (airplanes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, satellites, artificial lights, Chinese lanterns, etc.) and that it mostly fits in the category of UFO's (Unidentified Flying Objects and of unknown origin)".

Quote:In the first, the figure starts to raise its head, while
the image start to lower in relation to the settings.
(more ahead I will explain the importance of this detail).

In the second frame, the figure has its head straight, in “look front” position.

In the third photogram the figure keeps its position.

Finally, in the fourth frame, the figure returns to its original position.

Here's Edgar Mitchell who walked on the moon, check some of the related videos for more stories from him:





UFO hotspot phenomenon caught on camera:





The real reason the haven't been back to the moon (lights/bases on the moon):





Mass UFO sightings (the phone call is a HOAX):





UFOs orbiting the Sun (this guy's channel is pretty good):









UFO abrupt turn orbiting Earth as caught by NASA:





Original video:






Now this guy I watched a few years ago and I can't remember all of it. He talks about having ongoing extraterrestrial contact and being exposed to another dimension and an increase in his own psychological activity in his brain because of his exposure and interactions with ETs. It's nearly an hour long, and is subject to a lot of debate but draw your own conclusions. It's quite interesting:






Again, I don't believe in everything I see or read, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Post: #46

But are these planets potentially Poosy Paradises?

Maybe Roosh can write his first extra-terrestrial guide:

Bang Lyra Planetary System

Post: #47

(04-20-2013 10:26 AM)MattC Wrote:  Here's some of the videos I mentioned before. I was on my phone so didn't link them:

That's got nothing to do with UFOs. That's just the effect of the rocket hitting sunlight once it climbs above the earth's shadow area. Hard to explain. But I've seen this same exact thing here in California when rockets are fired from Vandenburg Air Force base. It's very interesting to look at because it looks like the birth of s star or something, but it's nothing out of the ordinary. This effect usually happens when a rocket is launched not long after sunset.

Post: #48

(04-20-2013 05:46 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 10:26 AM)MattC Wrote:  Here's some of the videos I mentioned before. I was on my phone so didn't link them:

That's got nothing to do with UFOs. That's just the effect of the rocket hitting sunlight once it climbs above the earth's shadow area. Hard to explain. But I've seen this same exact thing here in California when rockets are fired from Vandenburg Air Force base. It's very interesting to look at because it looks like the birth of s star or something, but it's nothing out of the ordinary. This effect usually happens when a rocket is launched not long after sunset.

Yeah, as I said I only saw the explanation when I checked the comments after posting the link in my reply. Oh well, looks cool at least.

Post: #49

(04-19-2013 01:40 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  The most exciting prospect in the world to me is the thought of other planets like earth being out there with civilizations and technology and their own cultures, philosophy, religion and history that evolved completely independent of ours. I would love to see just how different they are from us. And how different physical conditions spawn entirely different lifeforms that we can't even imagine.

In theory, your exact genetic copy is out there somewhere.

Post: #50

I was into UFOs as a kid due to the X Files really, read some many books about them and possible alien abductions, crop circles, cattle mutilation, then onto bloody Erik Von Daniken and his Ancient Aliens book and series, fuck I've got that book somewhere, man shit is all crazy and too much thinking. His series is an eye opener if not just to listen how not to talk to women via this guy and his varying pitch and constant want of attention and wanting his words to be acknowledged.



However there are certain structures such as some of the ancient mesoamerican ones with 200 tonne stones etc in place which make you think. Same with the Nazca lines, Indian vimana texts from Mahabharata, Marcahuasi, Derinkuyu, Sacsayhuaman and others.

For example in the Mahabharata, there's a lot destruction, levelling of cities, people's skin getting burned off, nails falling out, similar to what would happen to one after a nuclear attack - mohenjo daro is interesting in that aspect as according to hindu cosmology, it was around at the time of the Mahabharata and it has high levels of radiation still present.

I'm still a fucking skeptic though