Post: #1

I'm in a NorCal college town and there are tons of hot girls here. They are not hot in the same feminine way as an Eastern European but they aren't as dumb as a Ukrainian either.

My guess is that girls in America all eat a lot more, but some are aware of fatness and exercise a lot. Therefore they are somewhat more thickly muscled than EE chicks, it's not quite my preference but they still look very good, have better skin and much better teeth, and are obviously reproductively fit.

That's a separate subject, what I'm thinking about now is what's called presenting. I got the idea from early Game writer R. Don Steele; who got his much younger wife from seeing her do it.

"Presenting" in human biological terms is simply the female getting around 5-15 feet away from you and pointing her ass at you.

i guess this is about the closest non-verbal cue you're going to get in public to her lying down in your bed with her legs spread.

I was in a coffee shop yesterday ogling a really pretty 19? year old in a 2-set, she kept looking back and I as surprised as she seemed "out of my league." Then her and her friend moved to a counter near me and Miss 19 hovered around her friend with her ass pointing at me; about 6 feet from my face.

When I left I saw her leering at me.

Steele thought it was unconscious some of the time and I think he might be right.

Anyone else seen this type of cue and recognize it? Think it's BS?

Another shop I was in yesterday there were 5 women/girls in there and 4 of them were 7 or above ( 6 or above for you MMA YoungTallCools...)

Fattitude is highly linked to education and social class here. I think people from Manhattan can attest that fatties are rarer there in that wealthy place.

Post: #2

I have a theory that all sexual communication via body language comes down to what both men and women do to draw attention to their reproductive organs.

Guys can do genital framing. Girls can present. It could be conscious or sub-conscious. It doesn't take genius to figure out that a girl sticking her ass out at a guy is signaling availability.

Post: #3

Basically if a girl is standing next to you, or even better if she moves to stand next to you when she could have stood somewhere else, this is a signal for you to approach. In PUA speak it's "proximity IOI." God that shit is awful. I feel dirty for even writing it.

Post: #4

(04-18-2013 10:25 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  I'm in a NorCal college town

Chico, Humboldt, Marin, Berkeley, Palo Alto, Santa Clara, Sacramento, Monterrey..

Lots of cuties in these towns.

(04-18-2013 10:25 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  "Presenting" in human biological terms is simply the female getting around 5-15 feet away from you and pointing her ass at you.

I have noticed this.

It's instinctual, I think.

They show us their ass to let us know that they are "In Heat".

They are showing us their goods. Displaying themselves for us.

Don't monkeys do this too..?

I love this shit!

(04-18-2013 10:25 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  i guess this is about the closest non-verbal cue you're going to get in public

Well, along with displaying their ass and tits to you, they will also make eye contact with you, gaze at your hands, lips, and body.

I think human females do this more then monkeys in the wild!

(04-18-2013 10:25 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  she kept looking back and I as surprised as she seemed "out of my league." Then her and her friend moved to a counter near me and Miss 19 hovered around her friend with her ass pointing at me; about 6 feet from my face.

When I left I saw her leering at me.

She was giving you a chance. Testing you, to see if you would react to her non verbal advances. It a game, a dance, a mating ritual, it's her natural instinct.

No 19 year old is out of your league!

That is a blue pill illusion! A beta distortion of reality!

Young girls love older guys! It has been this way since the caveman days! It is in their DNA, I beleive.

They have older man fantasies. they have daddy issues. I experience this alot. In fact, I think most of the 18, 19, 20, and 21 year old I mess with have an older man fetish or fantasy. (I am 37 but look 29-32ish)

Teenage girls are crazy, they are in an exploratory stage of their life. They want to try new things. This is the time to get them!

She was curious about you. She was letting you know.

There is a small chance that she was teasing you and basically fucking with you, but, even if she was, that doesn't mean she would be open to being approached.

You should have approached her.

I suspect she is curious about you, curious about an older man, its a natural, instinctive curiosity for a young girl.

Don't let these opportunities pass you by. If nothing else, it would be are great practice for dealing with young curious girls.

You know this is my favorite topic! Lets break it down!

If they are displaying their ass and tits then they are looking for sexual attention! Give it to them!

Post: #5

This is interesting. I read somewhere that when a girl is in a group and she see's a man she's attracted to, but hasn't spoken to yet, she will position herself with her back turned to him. I've experienced this and can confirm that it's generally true.

I never thought about the ass being "presented" though. That makes sense in the same way that they are subconsciously acting submissive towards a man they perceive to be higher value by facing away from him...

Post: #6

Yes wealth is definitely linked to a decrease in fatness

Post: #7

I call this the proximity opener.

In night venues the girl will get closer than in the day, typically 3 to 8 feet.

Its a strong IOI and should always prompt you to approach if she's bangable

Post: #8

I can see all the forum members following their dicks around as if they were divining rods and wandering into the rear ends of total strangers.

"WHAT? YOU WERE PRESENTING!"

Post: #9

(04-18-2013 02:58 PM)MrXY Wrote:  I call this the proximity opener.

In night venues the girl will get closer than in the day, typically 3 to 8 feet.

Its a strong IOI and should always prompt you to approach if she's bangable

Wow, sounds like you've thought about it in depth.

So you're saying it's HER opening YOU when she aims that thing at you llloooll?

Are you specifically talkin about the ass-presenting posture, or just
the fact she gets within a certain distance? ( which I guess is a valid but sort of separate phenomenon.)

Today I noticed a girl repeatedly walking by me for some excuse or another; also set my antennae alert. Since they specifically can NOT speak first for some reason, I need to really learn to read this stuff, I don't like doing zillions of approaches with low return.

Post: #10

This hot redhead at my office is always doing this. Bending over on the desk to listen to someone and sticking that ass straight up in the air towards me.

I don't think it is only towards me, I think it is just a habit she has, but I will try and notice if she is only doing it in my direction.

Post: #11

(04-18-2013 11:15 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  This hot redhead at my office is always doing this. Bending over on the desk to listen to someone and sticking that ass straight up in the air towards me.

I don't think it is only towards me, I think it is just a habit she has, but I will try and notice if she is only doing it in my direction.

Yes! FIELD STUDIES of girl's asses. Now we're in gear.
The think R. Don Steele commented about it was that sometimes it's unconscious, it's so old evolution-wise. She might be doing it for you and not even realize it. It even happens at the level of frogs, I saw a study.

Post: #12

(04-18-2013 04:07 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(04-18-2013 02:58 PM)MrXY Wrote:  I call this the proximity opener.

In night venues the girl will get closer than in the day, typically 3 to 8 feet.

Its a strong IOI and should always prompt you to approach if she's bangable

Wow, sounds like you've thought about it in depth.

So you're saying it's HER opening YOU when she aims that thing at you llloooll?

Are you specifically talkin about the ass-presenting posture, or just
the fact she gets within a certain distance? ( which I guess is a valid but sort of separate phenomenon.)

Today I noticed a girl repeatedly walking by me for some excuse or another; also set my antennae alert. Since they specifically can NOT speak first for some reason, I need to really learn to read this stuff, I don't like doing zillions of approaches with low return.

Yes, I'm saying that this is a girl version of an approach. Most girls aren't capable of verbally opening a guy in a specific situation-they have to be either very extroverted, or very attracted or drunk to do it. I would rank girl approaches in this order : verbal opening>proximity opener>eyefucking>body language IOIs.

I am talking specifically about presenting the ass. Most times when you see this she is pointing her ass directly at you. Sometimes she is angled a bit, but the closer she get to pointing her side at me the less I assume she is interested in me. If a girl is close to me and facing me, I don't take this as an opener. However, sometimes you observe this phenomenon-the girl is in your vicinity and you see her sneaking glances at you, then she comes a little closer and turns her ass toward you. She liked what she saw and its game on then. Also, if a group of say 2-4 girls moves close to you, and you see one or two of the girls facing you and repeatedly glancing at you, they are not the ones most interested in you, it is their friend with her ass toward you who is. The other girls are checking you out and they are talking about you.

As for girls merely being in my vicinity, I don't necessarily take this as an IOI; people have to stand somewhere after all. I take that on a case by case basis.

Here's an example of a proximity opener that happened to me a few weeks ago. I was sitting a at large oval bar. Past the far end of the bar was a stage where a band was performing. A girl came and sat by herself on the third seat away from me; there were numerous other places where she could have been in the room. After a couple of minutes, no one joined her, and I noticed that her body language was indicating that she was aware of my presence behind her, rather than just focusing on the band and being oblivious of me. It's sort of a subtle tension that's impossible to describe in words but rather easy to spot. I went over tapped her on the shoulder and asked her some question about the band. She immediately turned around to face me, smiled and began talking to me enthusiastically. Pretty soon we we making out and she offered me her number. Then her beta orbiters came by and she said she had to leave with them. The next morning, I checked my phone to find she had texted me 30 minutes later telling me she was going to get her car and asking me where I was. She had ditched her orbiters and wanted to come back and hook up with me, but I missed the text.

I'm like you- i don't like doing many approaches with a low conversion rate, so I go first for those girls who show interest in me and the proximity opener is a great way to spot them.

Post: #13

They do it for a variety of reasons, consciously and subconsciously..

#1. To flirt
#2. To tease
#3. To show the world that they are a slut
#4. To invite you to approach
#5. Instinctive female body language
#6. To experiment with slutty behavior
#7. To show the males that she is "in heat".

They can do any of these things consciously or subconsciously..

I have been observing this for decades.

Post: #14

Girl stares at you + gets near your personal space + you didn't open! Come on brother!

That was at minimum an open (unless she was ugly).

Girls are crazy, you never know.

Also @ Gio Berkeley girls are cute? I will happily wager you a joint on that one being generally wrong. Chico yes, Berkeley nah.

Increase in difficulty in school = decrease in cuteness (ucla excluded).

Post: #15

(04-19-2013 12:50 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Also @ Gio Berkeley girls are cute?

I like Berkeley girls.

Not only at Cal but also Berkeley City College and just the whole area in general.

I like it over there. I could day game all over that city!

Post: #16

Spotting a girl in heat:

* Will be facing the center of the club, where all the action is (her back will be against the bar so she can see all the action)

* Eyes will be darting from potential suitor to potential suitor (look for rapid eye contact)

* Bright colors, low cut tops, etc...

Try and spot one of these girls and then try this next time you are out...

1) When you make eye contact with a girl, lock it... Hold ittttt, hold ittttt!

2) You then let out a big smile

3) She will look away in shyness

4) A few seconds later she will look back

5) You let out a bigger smile and walk straight up to her

6) She will be thinking "omg, omg, he's coming over here what am I going to do!" She is lubricating for reproduction

7) You: "Hi my name is _______. It's a pleasure to meet you"

On you go....

Post: #17

(04-19-2013 12:50 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Girl stares at you + gets near your personal space + you didn't open! Come on brother!

Yes I fudded it up, but she was like 18 or 19 and I'm 50!! It never ceases to surprise me how unpredictable women are. She can be three points below you and have absolute contempt, or be a delicious, perfect 18 year old with dewy skin and want to make believe she's fucking her Daddy.

(04-19-2013 12:50 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Also @ Gio Berkeley girls are cute? I will happily wager you a joint on that one being generally wrong. Chico yes, Berkeley nah.

[quote='WestCoast' pid='424683' dateline='1366393811']
Increase in difficulty in school = decrease in cuteness (ucla excluded).

At top schools, it's not necessarily a decrease in cuteness, but it's definitely an increase in self-importance. Undergrads at Berkeley or the like are just at the beginning of a long, hard climb out of a bucket of crabs, there are very few professor jobs in academia or the State Department that will enable them to look down on their former classmates.

As a result, they are tense, overscheduled, and not in the mood for casual contact with "randos".

Even beautiful bone structure and skin is ruined by a scowl.

Post: #18

I thought you were in Poland or something making a movie. Now you're in norcal trying to score with teenies. What did I miss and where's the lay reports??

Post: #19

(04-19-2013 04:38 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I thought you were in Poland or something making a movie. Now you're in norcal trying to score with teenies. What did I miss and where's the lay reports??

Made the movie but trying to preserve anonymity so can't link,
just wasn't enjoying Ukraine, and Summers in Norcal are brilliant for mountain biking so I'm back here, also need to make more money.

Post: #20

(04-19-2013 04:28 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  but she was like 18 or 19 and I'm 50!!

I know, its hard to imagine an 18yo girl craving your cock, but, they do!!! (Sometimes)

Like you said, girls are very unpredictable. You never know who has a fetish, or fantasy.

As we all know, they make decisions less based on logic. And, more based on emotion.

You might remind her of her old soccer coach who she had a crush on, you might remind her of 8th grade pe teacher that she masturbated about, you might remind her of George Clooney or Johnny Depp or somebody like that. This is how they think!

I just spoke to a 21yo (that I'm banging) about this. She said likes older guys because they are more mature, more secure, wiser, more experienced. She said they are more fun then guys her age. She said she likes to learn from older guys.

Its all some Freudian Psycho-Sexual shit. It's a very natural thing. I think its evolutionary..

When we were caveman and we fought for food, shelter, and women. Who won? I think the middle aged men were stronger and more experienced then the teenage men.

The middle aged and older men ran the societies. This has always been the case, right?

I think young women learned that the power rest with the older men. It got wired into them.

(04-19-2013 04:28 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  It never ceases to surprise me how unpredictable women are. She can be three points below you and have absolute contempt, or be a delicious, perfect 18 year old with dewy skin and want to make believe she's fucking her Daddy.

Let me tell you a few stories..

My dad was 44, my ex-girlfriend was 18. My dad banged her. She went to his house without me and seduced him.

My high school classmate was 18, she was banging a guy who was 43.

My college classmate was 18, she was banging a teacher who was 45.

I will say, all of these older guys looked good for their age. Not necessarily 20 years younger, but they looked healthy and vibrant.

I study this stuff. You can find plenty of girls interested in older guys.

Keep fine tuning your strategy and techniques. Start making conversation with younger girls. Just ask them harmless, innocent questions..

"excuse me, how far is the university from here...do you study there?...i may be teaching there next year...how are your classes going.."

"excuse me, is that an android 3000 smart phone? ...I am considering getting the same phone...is it a good one? ...im just learning how to use these things hahaha! ... or i might get an iphone.. i don't know"

If an 18yo girl was staring at me. I would probably just smile at her. If she looked at me again I would just smile again and maybe wink at her. I might wave her over with me hand. If none of that happened I would simply walk over to her and say -- "hey whats up" or "hey do we know each other".

Eye contact and body language is very important. She can detect all these little subtle clues about your confidence and alphaness.

I like to project graceful power, without being to serious or stiff. Sense of humor and light heartedness is key. If you can get them talking and get them laughing, you have a chance.

If you talk to ten 18 year old girls, you will likely bang at least 1. It could take a few more but you may as well start practicing now.

I know you don't want to approach alot of girls. You might want to try online. Look for the "daddy/older man" fantasies.

Evolve your style. You will find a look that attracts them. Be the interesting older guy. Give them a new perspective and experience.

I will be doing this full time for the next 20 years, so lets exchange notes.

Post: #21

Thanks for the insights Giovonny. I've recently stumbled upon great local access to 18-22yds and I feel like your ideas are really going to help. I've only pulled one 20yd since turning 30 and it was a semi SNL (we'd met briefly at a party 6 months earlier). I presented her with cool, confident, older man and she was all for it.

Post: #22

(04-20-2013 06:03 PM)Ensam Wrote:  Thanks for the insights Giovonny. I've recently stumbled upon great local access to 18-22yds

My pleasure.

Mind if I ask what your "access" is???

PM me if you would rather keep it private.

Thanks

Post: #23

(04-20-2013 05:05 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Let me tell you a few stories..

My dad was 44, my ex-girlfriend was 18. My dad banged her. She went to his house without me and seduced him.

That's pretty fucked up...

Post: #24

It's "picnic day" at NorCal state U and I rode my bike around town and it was...priceless....I saw at least 100 thin, petite Asian and White girls in short shorts maybe 18-20 with perfect firm thighs, a lot of 5'3", 95-100 pound little things .....obesity was under 20% , I think they're scared to go out when the hot chicks are out...an exquisite moonlit night.

It was one of those nights where the bars are packed, people are spilling out onto the streets and there are packs of multiple girls. It seemed the ratio was at least 60-40 girls to men.

Doesn't it make you want to run out and meet a 35 year old, grumpy, fattening, Strong and Independent Woman?

Me too.

Post: #25

(04-21-2013 02:05 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  NorCal state U

Oh,

I love that town. I think the girls are beautiful. They are smart, studious types and I think that helps guys like us. They appreciate the finer things in life and they appreciate the wisdom and experience of an older man. We can talk to them, they are curious about the world and passionate about studying it.

That is a great town to be in for an older guy. I have a friend who teaches there, mid 50s, bangs students on a regular basis. My younger cousin goes there now, I'm trying to bang her friend.

Many of those Asian girls are open to dating older guys. Same with the Latinas and also a decent percentage of the White girls.

You are in a great spot. The town is not too big and not too small. Honestly, it's perfect. Start chatting these girls up. The ones that ask you personal questions and seemed interested are interested. Get them talking and laughing. Tell them your stories from traveling all over the world. If they listen and respond, you have a chance.

Find the art majors who have never been to Europe, the humanities majors who have never really spoken with an adult male, the psychology majors who need to express themselves, the pre-med students who don't like boys their own age. These girls are out there! You can find them.

After chatting for 10-15 minutes, say -- "It's nice chatting with you, should we exchange numbers and get coffee sometime"

Or, "You are probably a few years younger then me but its nice chatting with you, wanna get coffee or a glass of wine sometime?"

Something like that.

If I'm ever in town I will contact you and we can day game together if you like.

You need to talk to more girls. It's fun. It's great practice. Enjoy it. Life is beautiful in that town!

You can also set up some "arrangements" in that town.