Post: #126

A life lesson perhaps, and not to sound too dark, but understanding how little fucks are given about you as an individual goes a long way in the start of the journey towards living the life YOU want to live.

Post: #127

Biggest Lesson = You can't trust women but you can trust women to be women.

Post: #128

Because of the basic irrational, flaky nature of women, there are NO sure things

Post: #129

(07-10-2013 10:44 AM)Chrysalis Wrote:  You learn much more Game by practicing it.

My line that wins them over -about 1hr into the interaction- is "how can you fuck off people like that" when she ends a separate interaction with a Beta, came to me totally spontaneously during a pick up. It works, and I had no success analyzing it. It just works.

I'm not sure I follow what you are saying...

Post: #130

Never underestimate just how viciously cruel women can be.

Post: #131

Hello gents, glad to be amongst you.

Biggest lesson learned : all women are materialistic masochists, never try to use logic on them hamsters

Post: #132

(01-03-2015 06:36 PM)Kaizen Wrote:  I'm starting to realize that to get good at game...you have to enjoy the PROCESS of gaming girls. You have to enjoy the GAME.

Similar to anyone learning a new craft.

Rejection and bad experiences should be looked at without emotion as learning opportunities. Every approach is a chance to learn something.

Being too results oriented simply isn't fun and will lead you to approach less and less.

THIS, guys, is exactly why most women have 10x more game than guys. They utterly enjoy the process. It's what gets most of them off, combined with good sex, it's the entire roller coaster that gives reason for their emotional engine to exist.

They also recognize when others enjoy the process and gravitate towards those guys. Thus, a player is born.

Post: #133

Women are, men must become.

Post: #134

In almost all situations (except LTRs and real good fuck buddy, and even then) its almost always better to jump ship and find a new one rather than try running damage control on a sinking ship.

If you fuck up or a girl makes it difficult for you, just cut the losses. There's always another one around the corner. I lost count of the time I said to myself "damn shame I had to next that hot ass" then immediately some hotter piece presents herself. Had it not been for the redpill I would think its fucking magic.

Trying to salvage any situation with a girl implies that she is valuable to you (new flash: she is not, unless she is your blood) and she will leverage that like crazy. It will also hurt your abundance mentality.

Post: #135

The Biggest Lessons I have learned after turning Red Pill can be summed up with the following Phrases and Quotes that I have saved on my phone throughout the process of learning the truth through a Red Pill lens and learning how to game girls. I hope you find some that appeal to you personally, and feel free to send them to others in need of inspiration/motivation.

Remember to Just Approach 1 Day At A Time.

Always have an Abundance Mentality.

Always Be Replacing Not Chasing.

The greatest obstacles to success is fear.

It's about the journey, not about the goal.

Don't Make Permanent Decisions Based On Temporary Feelings.

Your desire to change must be greater than your desire to stay the same.

If we stopped trying things just because we thought they were impossible. Then we would have never achieved anything.

If you don't make mistakes, then there is no room for improvement.

You have to ask yourself "What has brought you to this point? What have you learned from it? Are you learning in anything or are you doing it over, and over, and over again? Are you going through it or are you growing through it? Are you bigger and better because of it?

There are 3 C's in Life. Choice,Chance,and Change. You must make the Choice to take a Chance if you want anything to Change.

It is not the quality of the desired object that gives us pleasure, but rather the energy of our appetite.

If you don't go after what you want, you'll never have it.
If you don't ask, the answer is always no.
If you don't step forward, you're always in the same place.

We live in a world where being forwardness, being clear and blunt has been seen as awkward. But being wishy washy and sneaking your way into a girls life has been seen as okay.

I can't invest in anyone who can't even invest in themselves.

When nothing goes right,simply go left.

The scariest thing about memories is thinking your going to forget them.

Our eyes are placed in front of us, because it's more important to look forward than to look back.

One of the greatest challenges in life is being yourself in a world that's trying to make you like everyone else.

There comes a time in life, when you walk away from all the drama, and people who create it. Surround yourself with people who make you laugh, forget the bad, and focus on the good. Love the people who treat you right. Forget about the ones who don't. Life is too short to be anything but happy. Falling down is part of life, and getting back up is living.

It's not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize,accept,and celebrate those differences.

If you have to keep wondering where you stand with someone,maybe it's time you stop standing and start walking.

A key that opens many locks is a good key. A lock that opens for many keys is a bad lock.

Post: #136

(08-05-2015 04:52 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  In almost all situations (except LTRs and real good fuck buddy, and even then) its almost always better to jump ship and find a new one rather than try running damage control on a sinking ship.

If you fuck up or a girl makes it difficult for you, just cut the losses. There's always another one around the corner. I lost count of the time I said to myself "damn shame I had to next that hot ass" then immediately some hotter piece presents herself. Had it not been for the redpill I would think its fucking magic.

Trying to salvage any situation with a girl implies that she is valuable to you (new flash: she is not, unless she is your blood) and she will leverage that like crazy. It will also hurt your abundance mentality.

I am telling you. This is inspirational. I have read it several times

Post: #137

^ always be replacing not chasing

Post: #138

1. You can never be too big of an asshole.

2. Women do not do what they say. (My favorite is "I'd never put up with a narcissistic asshole like you, Hank." And then they do.)

3. Women are basically overgrown children. Their mood changes hour to hour, day to day. They have no strategic plan, and their actions are dictated entirely by their emotions. Do not listen to anything they say. Especially "I'd never hook up with you", "I'm not interested", or "I wish you would do blah blah blah".

4. Never apologize for anything for any reason ever. Even when you were a total dick.

5. Building attraction through text messaging is impossible. That clever, witty thing you want to send? That cute, "I miss you" text? Don't. You can fuck up a relationship with bad texts. Use them for logistics only. She can text her girlfriends about that thing she saw on the train, or that cute picture of a dog. When you try and be witty or "a good texter", you just come off like a nerd.

6. Eye contact, good posture, and demonstrating higher value without sounding like a braggart. As a lawyer, my "go to" is when I'm talking with a girl, say something along the lines of "I have this case. You'd be a good potential juror." I then tell them the facts and ask for the input. It demonstrates higher value (I'm a lawyer, I'm important, I make money), while at the same time I'm telling them that they're important, and I value their input.

7. Understand that women do not make good companions. Your life will not be complete by virtue of having a girlfriend. They make bad friends, and bad partners. It's extremely hard to deal with someone whose decisions and actions are entirely based on feelings rather than logic. Do not ever make big decisions based on what she says she wants - that will change every single day. I know guys who have sold their houses, changed their religions, and done all kinds of crazy shit because that's what the women said she wanted - only to have her cheat.

8. Most women have had about 70 sex partners in a year, if not more. When you first start gaming, she has much more experience than you do. An average looking chick can get dick every night of the week. A hot chick is inundated with potential dick 24/7. Modern feminism has created a situation where women are encouraged to act like men and get as many bangs as possible. This generation of women will make horrible mothers and wives. Don't expect much.

9. "You cannot negotiate desire." I love this line from the Rational Male. Taking a girl out 20 times before a bang is retarded. If a girl is into you, she'll bang you after one or two dates, most of which cost like $20. If you find yourself doing things to please her in hopes of a bang, she's just not that into you. Chances are, you just put steak in her belly and she went home with the bartender. They bang the guy they're attracted to - not the one who buys them the most dinners and the most presents.

10. Girls do not want a nice guy. They're fully aware that you're a narcissistic asshole, only interested in one thing (from her). She's cool with that.

Post: #139

Women are like the weather. The wind that blows and changes on a whim.

A man is like the terrain, rather unchanging. A man sees a woman and is attracted and will want to see and bang her the next day, next week and probably next month and beyond. Tap that ass.

A woman will be attracted to a man today, smells and meets another 'flower' or sees and meets another pretty colorful 'bird' that afternoon and doesn't think too much about the first guy.

She may or may not answer the first guy's texts or see him though she had, in her mind, every intention of texting and seeing him the day or week before when they first met.

She got distracted. The wind changed direction.

Post: #140

(10-17-2015 11:48 AM)robreke Wrote:  Women are like the weather. The wind that blows and changes on a whim.

A man is like the terrain, rather unchanging. A man sees a woman and is attracted and will want to see and bang her the next day, next week and probably next month and beyond. Tap that ass.

A woman will be attracted to a man today, smells and meets another 'flower' or sees and meets another pretty colorful 'bird' that afternoon and doesn't think too much about the first guy.

She may or may not answer the first guy's texts or see him though she had, in her mind, every intention of texting and seeing him the day or week before when they first met.

She got distracted. The wind changed direction.

Hence the phrase, 'women and children'.

Post: #141

(10-17-2015 11:43 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  1. You can never be too big of an asshole.

2. Women do not do what they say. (My favorite is "I'd never put up with a narcissistic asshole like you, Hank." And then they do.)

3. Women are basically overgrown children. Their mood changes hour to hour, day to day. They have no strategic plan, and their actions are dictated entirely by their emotions. Do not listen to anything they say. Especially "I'd never hook up with you", "I'm not interested", or "I wish you would do blah blah blah".

4. Never apologize for anything for any reason ever. Even when you were a total dick.

5. Building attraction through text messaging is impossible. That clever, witty thing you want to send? That cute, "I miss you" text? Don't. You can fuck up a relationship with bad texts. Use them for logistics only. She can text her girlfriends about that thing she saw on the train, or that cute picture of a dog. When you try and be witty or "a good texter", you just come off like a nerd.

6. Eye contact, good posture, and demonstrating higher value without sounding like a braggart. As a lawyer, my "go to" is when I'm talking with a girl, say something along the lines of "I have this case. You'd be a good potential juror." I then tell them the facts and ask for the input. It demonstrates higher value (I'm a lawyer, I'm important, I make money), while at the same time I'm telling them that they're important, and I value their input.

7. Understand that women do not make good companions. Your life will not be complete by virtue of having a girlfriend. They make bad friends, and bad partners. It's extremely hard to deal with someone whose decisions and actions are entirely based on feelings rather than logic. Do not ever make big decisions based on what she says she wants - that will change every single day. I know guys who have sold their houses, changed their religions, and done all kinds of crazy shit because that's what the women said she wanted - only to have her cheat.

8. Most women have had about 70 sex partners in a year, if not more. When you first start gaming, she has much more experience than you do. An average looking chick can get dick every night of the week. A hot chick is inundated with potential dick 24/7. Modern feminism has created a situation where women are encouraged to act like men and get as many bangs as possible. This generation of women will make horrible mothers and wives. Don't expect much.

9. "You cannot negotiate desire." I love this line from the Rational Male. Taking a girl out 20 times before a bang is retarded. If a girl is into you, she'll bang you after one or two dates, most of which cost like $20. If you find yourself doing things to please her in hopes of a bang, she's just not that into you. Chances are, you just put steak in her belly and she went home with the bartender. They bang the guy they're attracted to - not the one who buys them the most dinners and the most presents.

10. Girls do not want a nice guy. They're fully aware that you're a narcissistic asshole, only interested in one thing (from her). She's cool with that.

I can't agree with you on these points Hank.

Post: #142

I'm a very late bloomer and only became aware of game through Roosh's blog, this forum and Heartiste/Roissy in my early 30s. Up until then I was beta to the utmost core. In some instances almost omega.

If I had to pick just ONE single red pill/game lesson that was the most shocking, most vital, and most life changing it would be this:


Most girls will not punish you for approaching and/or escalating sexually on a 1st date with her.


If I had to estimate from the age I stopped finding girls “gross” and full of “cooties” and got my first erection, all the way to when I finally discovered game roughly 20 years later, the fear and reluctance to cold approach a girl I didn’t know and/or escalate sexually on a 1st date is THE MAIN THING that destroyed all potential bangs and relationships before they even got started.

If I had to estimate how many girls I didn’t get to fuck from when I was a teenager to when I started reading about game, simply because I didn’t escalate on a 1st date with kino or kissing and/or didn’t push for sex when I was alone with a girl in a room who was shy but interested, then it would be something like between 100 to 300 girls lost over 20 years. That’s a staggering number of girls that just humbles me into bitter silence with its gravity.

And if I had to estimate how many dates I missed out on because I didn’t cold approach a girl that was alone, or giving me eye contact, or otherwise seemed receptive to being talked to, then we’re talking like at least 1000 to 3000 girls minimum over 20 years. Jesus Christ. It’s brutal just to think about it.

My whole life from early childhood had conditioned me to believe that girls hated unknown guys who approached them and despised men who pushed for sex early. This is what all girls and women told me. This is what television and movies told me. This is what my parents and family told me. This is what my friends and society told me. No one was telling me anything different. The entire world around me was shaming men for openly showing desire for a woman.

I spent every interaction with a girl I liked making sure she trusted me and felt very comfortable with me before even thinking of saying or doing anything that was sexual in nature. I was my own greatest cockblock. As you all can guess by now, by the time I did have the intention to take it further she had either stopped seeing me completely, or had friendzoned me in her mind long ago (without telling me of course) so that any escalation just came across as “creepy”. There was one girl I wanted so badly as a teenager, had the worst case of pedestalization and oneitis you can possibly imagine, but was so scared that my escalation would scare her off, I dated her for 8 MONTHS without banging. Finally she got fed up with my neediness, cheated on me and let another guy fuck her. The fact that she told me she didn't even like him that much, but let him do that so quickly nearly destroyed me and I am glad I didn't kill myself at the time.

I was so indoctrinated by the twisted morals and fucked up society we have been living in since the 1920s that I had a fear that if I even gave a hint of sexually desiring a girl before she was comfortable with me (and trusted me) she would run away, yell obscenities, hit me, tell everyone in our social circle how awful I was and maybe even go to the police. Even worse, in those situations where I felt 100% she was wanted to be kissed or undressed, I had all these fucked up ideas about how it should happen. That it needed to be perfect in every way, otherwise it would be a failure. That if I was pushing for it in any way more than she was, then it needed to stop immediately. I literally had situations where the girl was partially undressed and with a wet pussy, but I still could not seal the deal cause she still hadn’t said the words “kiss me” or "fuck me" or “I’m sure 100% now that I want sex with you.” The fact that you will practically NEVER come across a girl in your life who says this kinds of things the 1st time you kiss or bang her did not occur to me. In my mind, she just was not ready yet and I had to wait. Wait forever, as it turned out.

After many bangs I now finally understand how girls never "decide" to have sex with you the 1st time, in the same way a man decides something. She will always want plausible deniability that first time. ALWAYS. When a girl has sex with a new man the 1st time, they are submitting, not deciding. Deciding means you have to take responsibility for your actions. Girls do NOT want that burden. You are the one taking the risk, and making things happen. Something is happening to her, but she is not the one "making" it happen. They have simply refused to walk away, protest, or do or say anything to stop it from happening. It's pure submission. Girls just let their passion take over and submit to the tension, temptation and game you have created with her. If she really doesn't want to be there she will get up, walk away, scream, complain, whatever. This is why woman cannot consent in the logical, rational way people think it's supposed to work. LMR is not the exception. LMR is the default setting for most girls if she is really turned on, but scared because she is with a new guy. You overcoming her LMR in a successful way turns her on even more. LMR for a woman ratchets up the tension in your interaction to such an extent, she needs the sex even more desperately to be able to release with you. Women need to feel they are being totally overwhelmed by their animal desires which you have successfully stirred up in them to get really wet and horny, not that they are making some kind of "logical decision". If she consents in a calm rational way like she is signing some kind of paper contract then it's 100% sure she is not turned on. If she is really turned on, there's no way she's going to calmly and rationally tell you "Yes please, I'm now ready to be penetrated now by you." That is not how women work and never will.

When I first discovered Roosh and Roissy/Heartiste and this forum and read about how practically every guy had a better interaction with a girl by using kino, kissing and escalating on a 1st date I was shocked. The simple fact that even if you didn’t get the bang on that 1st date, you had a much better chance of having a 2nd date if you had done those things was like Neo realising what the matrix was for the first time. That was the red pill for me.

The night I discovered game, I binge read on all I could find for almost 3 days straight without even sleeping or eating. Like a concentration camp survivor seeing the first real decent food in a decade. And as soon as finally got the balls to start cold approaching and escalating on 1st dates, the bangs started to happen. Suddenly, in my life there were lots of dates, with lots of kissing, and lots of sex, and more girls than my wildest dreams. All these girls suddenly put out. They called back. They replied to my messages. They wanted to see me again. It was mind blowing. I felt like I had died and been reborn in a different body or a different world.

Also it just made me very angry for living in a system that had been conspiring against my masculinity , my strengths, my independence, my happiness and my satisfaction for so long. Now, the type of LMR that cost me a bang or a lost girlfriend as a teenager is something I deal with in less than a few minutes. Back then lost girls I had put a lot of "work” into was the end of the world for me…giving me thoughts of violence and suicide.

I am eternally grateful I discovered all this here before it was too late due to age or being married. There are many, many things I have learned from game and the red pill, but the one that really changed who I am and how I act with women was the realisation that girls will always not punish you for being a man who is not afraid to demonstrate his desire for her in a confident and honest way. In fact they respect you more and often are quite turned on as a result of this.

A girl will ALWAYS punish you in some indirect way if you do not have the courage to approach her and/or escalate sexually on a 1st date. She will give you a small window of time to do these things the correct way. After that time is passed, you have failed a test you didn't even know was happening, and will almost never get another chance with that girl.

Post: #143

Great post, Merc. So true in my own experiences as well.

Post: #144

Life is like chess, if you don't make a move nothing happens.

Make any attempt like its your last chance in life.

Post: #145

Fortune favors the bold.

Post: #146

Got dumped being the nice guy, entered the worst low of my life, and then realized that I am the architect of my own happiness. Been content ever since.

Sounds easy but it was a long, winding road.

Post: #147

A woman will rather share a high value male with other women than have a beta for herself only.

I spent the past 5 months fucking a 20 year old. At about 2.5 months in she asked me if I was dating other women and I said yes. We kept on seeing each other until she could no longer take it, and broke up with me (I would not become monogamous to her). She LSNFTE'd me as BlackDragon says.

Post: #148

Re:the comment about how jealous the other guy is: truthfully I find this reaks of beta-submissiveness. If you're standing around with a smile on your face because you're happy you're not getting laid and some other dude is, THEN YOU'RE A FUCKING DUMBASS CHUMP.

Post: #149

(10-17-2015 11:43 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  Most women have had about 70 sex partners in a year, if not more.

Let's be realistic now.

Even the biggest whores do not have male-like sex drives, nor an inherent thirst for notches.

Hell, only the top 1% of women in the world would have a notch count of ~70. In their lifetime.

Post: #150

Before you can sleep with a woman, you have to talk to her. Before you can talk to her, you have to walk over to her.

Her preferences existed long before you ever got in front of her, and they have nothing to do with you.



The over publicisation of "hookup culture" has led to an assumption among men that sex 'happens'. I know many guys waiting for sex to fall out of the sky. They don't get numbers, they don't talk to women, they don't go on dates.

There is a chasm between you and vagina. Good thing is you have all you need to build the bloody bridge.