Post: #751

Maybe it would help if, instead of generalizing that "people" jump to "conclusions" along with a pointlessly cryptic link to wikipedia, you just go ahead and say who is jumping to which conclusions and why they're being too hasty.

Post: #752

(04-19-2013 09:15 PM)Mr. Bungle Wrote:  The bomber already has groupies.

Typical.

Post: #753

(04-19-2013 09:49 PM)POHammer Wrote:  Its starting to seem like the older brother was the loser, and he dragged his younger brother down with him. The younger guy had friends and attended uni, but out of a sense of loyalty he followed his brother. For guys coming to a new country at such a young age, they must have been very close as they relied on each other

Yeah , I genuinely feel really bad for the kid and his family who reside abroad in Russia having to witness all of this. Despite the fact that he may have been involved in what could have had a potentially Catastrophic outcome with 3 deaths and 130 injured already.

Reason being is because he has clearly been manipulated by certain people, be it his elder brother or somebody else. He is just as much a victim in my honest opinion. People who have known him, only have good things to say.

He has lost his brother and has the whole of America wanting to see him suffer. They are calling this the largest attack on America after 9.11.

People don't understand how manipulative certain Muslim's are, and how easy it is to be sucked into the extremism mindset. Their whole Ideology broken down in lay man's terms is;

This life is nothing compared to what awaits you after death, so prepare yourself by living how the Quran preaches. Unfortunately, the Quran can easily be in interpreted an extreme way and I believe it states if you die in the name of your religion your a martyr, Hence you have a one way ticket to Heaven.

People shouldn't be so judgmental regarding this case.

Post: #754

(04-19-2013 09:37 PM)pozdnyshev Wrote:  This is talent??? The only thing "special" is that these two women aren't fat. Christ you need to get your ass to an Eastern European country sometimes. Your eyes would pop out.

That, and she's not slathered in two pounds of deceptive Russian makeup.

   

Post: #755

That's not fucked up thinking at all.

Usually a lot of people don't want the fugitive get caught right away.

(04-19-2013 07:45 PM)LoveBug Wrote:  I know it sounds fucked up to say, and it is fucked up to say, but this ended too shortly for my entertainment purposes - although it is the correct ending

Post: #756

(04-19-2013 10:11 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  That's not fucked up thinking at all.

Usually a lot of people don't want the fugitive get caught right away.

(04-19-2013 07:45 PM)LoveBug Wrote:  I know it sounds fucked up to say, and it is fucked up to say, but this ended too shortly for my entertainment purposes - although it is the correct ending

I'd go further and say that many people, not necessarily most but many, get a quiet thrill whenever these kinds of dramatic and tragic events occur.

It's the same thrill school boys got on the playground during a fight and that drivers feel when they hold up traffic to crane their neck to see a bad accident.

Post: #757

(04-19-2013 10:10 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 09:37 PM)pozdnyshev Wrote:  This is talent??? The only thing "special" is that these two women aren't fat. Christ you need to get your ass to an Eastern European country sometimes. Your eyes would pop out.

That, and she's not slathered in two pounds of deceptive Russian makeup.

God Dam, is that really Mila Kunis on the left. She looks like a wart hog lol.



I swear they should Ban all make up, it fucks with my head. There are times I wake up after a drunken one night stand and wince at the face that lies besides me. Usually her body makes up for it otherwise I would have probably killed myself by now.

Post: #758

With Dzokhar the writing was on the wall (Twitter wall that is) all along.

He sent out about a 1000 tweets, some which were quite hilarious in that youthful, ganja-induced pop culture wisdom. They suggest a person who was integrated in the American culture, but at the same time could not rest easy in his mind (undoubtedly influenced by his older brother, or others), and who often questioned the culture of his new country, despite himself not behaving like he probably wanted others to behave.

This dude has confused written all over it. He probably wants to be like his dad in the old country, but his holmes are dragging him down to their level. Or is it the other way around? Wannabe an American kid, but male members of his family expect "better" of him.

And then there is the vapid youth culture of America of today. How to have an upstanding identity when everything around you is spinning, is shifty, and the moral and ethical does not exist. Culture wars, neither here, nor there. Come. Go. Adopt the vernacular, attention whore, strike a pose, be semantic, stay pedantic, wear white hat backwards, no sunglasses, appear more visible, be more recognizable, look good for those live news most wanted shots. Selfish culture demands make those 15 minutes of fame count.

But I digress...

Other tweets were threatening, either overtly or covertly. He featured the expression "Salam aleikum" on the landing page, and also identified himself as being a Muslim from Chechnya, hating Russians, while offering bunch of vague, often slick, but nonetheless self-incriminating information that should have put him on FBI/DHS radar+crosshairs way before the bombing.

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Post: #759

Here are some that caught my attention, starting Feb 2012 and going chronologically all the way to the day before the bombings.

These tweets provide a relevant digital blueprint, sort of a glimpse inside the younger bomber's mind.



Little boy's cry for help. He wants to be saved.



1st tweet: He had enough of America and is ready to check out (whatever that may mean.)
2nd tweet: He follows (older brother/gurus/ideology?) so that one day others follow him.



This is straight out of manosphere. But with him it's the cross-cultural reverse. He is disgusted that the things aren't what he is used to seeing back in the old country.



Strong warning with classical psychopathic propensity to frame it as if others made them do it.



Another warning. Using the word "smooth" reveals involvement of an ego.



Can't get more obvious than this.



Reveals contempt for what he perceives as cultural perversity of his host nation.



1st retweet: Includes another cultural contempt, and a call for "action". It's a credible threat when another (likely) Chechen calls "brothers" to "action".



Mentions Boston marathon in the same sentence as "smoke". Smoke is a code for explosion. (First specific hint.)



1st tweet: Ironic sentiment (7 American troops killed in Afghanistan on that day)
2nd tweet: Again, cultural contempt.
3rd tweet: Not hating people only when isolated.

Post: #760

Reveals the extent to which his beliefs are hijacked. By this point he is a human drone.



1st tweet: Threatening again, this time with a double punishment.
3rd tweet: Emboldening himself.
4th tweet: Hating on Ruskies.



Another threat. The tone is very firm and convincing. The victim mentality emerges.



1st tweet: Specific plans.
2nd tweet: The reason is given.



Radicalized foreign youth dreaming of apocalypse.



His "whiteness" questioned among other observant muslims (this provides another incentive to "prove" his "worth".)



Graphic violence against "other" pedestalized.



Game trumps looks.



Taunting the US military.

Post: #761

1st tweet: Radicalized 18 y.o. Czechen talks about suicide in any context and for any reason. Well, the red-flag there.
3rd tweet: "Achieving true success via path to Jannah." *Jannah is an afterlife where the good muslims go. When an 18 y.o. radicalized muslim talks about prophet and Jannah in the same sentence it suggests a "freedom fighter" and those FBI bells should be ringing.



He is prepared to sacrifice for the cause, but hopefully not too much.



1st retweet: Massive warning.
3rd tweet: Another warning.



1st tweet: Huge warning
2nd tweet: Major warning. The conviction is still strong.



Another huge warning. "White shirt" = America. "Tomato" = blood. "Explode" = method of achieving that.



Translation: if you know how to make the bomb, and you have a sufficient motive, all is left is to be brave.



Cynical warning is delivered one day before the strike.



Chilling final warning delivered one day before the strike... the ironic usage of words like "victims" and "lols" suggests the cold detachment of someone who has definitely made up his mind, and is either unconsciously "divorcing" himself from the seriousness of the act, or provides the final callousness in regards to his feelings. Also, the word "cooked" may suggest a possible dirty n. bomb to the law enforcement agencies, but in this case it telegraphed the method of destruction by way of pressure-cookers.


Which brings me to my next point. FBI and other govt. agencies should have been tracking this guy from way before. in 2012/13 you can't be having the type of background he had while tweeting the shit he was tweeting without raising a significant red flag with the American law enforcement agencies.

So the question is why wasn't this prevented? I understand the complexity and enormity of "digital noise" these days, but I believe that any mid-grade software would have easily flagged this guy's tweets for the next level/human surveillance.

And then there's the issue with those govt. contractor guys spotted at the crime scene.



Because they were there and were checking for things in seriously concerned way suggests the govt. was tipped off about something prior hand.

If so, then, what was it that tipped the govt. off?

Was it just general internet crackle and chatter from possibly thousands of sources in regards to Boston marathon event being a terrorist target?

If so, well, considering the Twitter evidence, I still say the govt. could and should have done better job in identify this Dzokhar dude.

Unless they didn't want to?

http://www.businessinsider.com/congress-...ill-2013-4

For reasons that could be not just single, but numerous.

Now, this is the space where Alex Jones and other skeptics have reasonable and logical room to play.

After all, consider the following keywords tweeted out by Dzokhar (in the above presented tweets):

Salam aleikum
Chechnya
America
suicide
criminal
killen em
action
hate
hit you
Russians
lock, stock, smoking
apocalypse
Islam
mosque
Algeria
Syria
convert
coward
marine
scared
suicide
prophet
Muhammad
bullet
fatal
dead
killing
death
alive
explode
city
safe
God
dead people
victims
tragedies
cooked

All coming from a single source...

Many US and UK men have previously been arrested on the basis of single tweets and for much lesser indiscretions.

Dude, what happened there?

Post: #762

Great Analysis in the post above with all that information, I am surprised the Interpol or the FBI were not on his case earlier especially with his older brother having some sort of affiliation with extremism in the past.

He's 100% been radicalized, this is what happens when people feed you with a certain mentality. It can be very convincing.

It' a bit like the blue pill , red pill thing. When you convince somebody they are living in the matrix and they should snap out of it. The types of people who

are doing the convincing are Angry because they couldn't progress in the matrix so to speak.

The victim starts to become hateful towards the world he believes he was living in before. Then next thing you know he's spiraling down a road of destruction as he is trying to become someone in this new red pill world.

Post: #763

I felt like shutting down Boston today over this guy was an over reaction ...Worst part of all this is every small terrorist organization is now fucking drooling at the massive stage America will provide for them and their message.

Many may disagree but this was a much bigger reaction than they would have gotten in the 90s. I can't imagine how we would
handle 9/11 in 2013.

Post: #764

Was it really necessary to shut down the city over one guy? Imagine if it was 10 guys and they all split up across the country.

Post: #765

(04-19-2013 11:16 PM)houston Wrote:  Was it really necessary to shut down the city over one guy? Imagine if it was 10 guys and they all split up across the country.

I have been saying that exact thing all
Evening....god forbid there is a crazy 19 year old with a crazier older brother in every city

Post: #766

How noble of tiggaling not to draw conclusions.

How is that working for you in everyday life?

Post: #767

(04-19-2013 10:46 PM)Gonzalo Ch. Wrote:  
Another warning. Using the word "smooth" reveals involvement of an ego.

It begins.

Post: #768

(04-19-2013 10:49 PM)Gonzalo Ch. Wrote:  And then there's the issue with those govt. contractor guys spotted at the crime scene.

Because they were there and were checking for things in seriously concerned way suggests the govt. was tipped off about something prior hand.

Not necessarily. There are several celebrities that run the Boston Marathon to raise money for charity. But getting a security detail willing to run 24.5 miles with you limits your choices. I'm guessing Craft was supplying security guards actually willing to run the 24.5 miles of the marathon with them as escorts. These two other guys were waiting behind the finish line with equipment packs for when the celebrities were handed off to them after finishing. But because their clients aren't super professional runners and so hadn't finished yet by the 4 hours after the race had began when the bombs went off, they instead were talking with the other part of the security team that was running with their clients, trying to figure out where they were now being diverted so they could meet them there instead.

And once cell phone service was cut, they were dead in the water unable to arrange the rendezvous. So they just had to stand there stupid, not sure where the rest of their security team was being diverted to yet.

(04-19-2013 11:11 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  I felt like shutting down Boston today over this guy was an over reaction

Cost to Boston of closing down one day is estimated to be a third of a billion dollars, not including security expenses at triple overtime. So round it up to a billion dollars spent this week responding to this one crime. MA has already been declared a disaster area, so there's Fed disaster funds to cover a good chunk of that now.

On the other hand, every bullet that misses its target will hit something else behind it. Allegedly this is the result of just one stray bullet below. There were hundreds of shots fired with the spray and pray tactics of the Chechnyans. For everyone in a mile long cone extending from where the Tsarnaevs were engaging in gunplay, being indoors with walls in the way to slow things down is enough to only injure innocent bystanders, not kill them.

There's also the complaint that security teams spent a lot of time "chasing ghosts" --checking out leads from citizens that turned out cold, like the sighting of a boy in a black hoodie sitting on a back porch typing at a laptop. But it was one of these very leads, a housewife noticing the cover to the boat in her driveway had been moved and there was blood on it, that lead to Dzhokhar being found.

Post: #769

(04-19-2013 10:10 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 09:37 PM)pozdnyshev Wrote:  This is talent??? The only thing "special" is that these two women aren't fat. Christ you need to get your ass to an Eastern European country sometimes. Your eyes would pop out.

That, and she's not slathered in two pounds of deceptive Russian makeup.

Yeah, but Mila Kunis is an Ukrainian Jewish girl, and not Russian. And that makeup you see is pure American.

Post: #770

lmao gonzalo are you for real? i thought you were joking at first but that post went on for ages and ages , actually from his tweets sounds pretty clever compared to most 19 year olds

Post: #771

Imagine if you were sitting on that chair working or simply browsing the net and then, bam, this stray bullet goes through you like paper. Scary shit! Glad this thing is over! Will be interesting to see why they did that and if they had any backing.

(04-19-2013 11:52 PM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

Post: #772

Post: #773

(04-19-2013 10:10 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 09:37 PM)pozdnyshev Wrote:  This is talent??? The only thing "special" is that these two women aren't fat. Christ you need to get your ass to an Eastern European country sometimes. Your eyes would pop out.

That, and she's not slathered in two pounds of deceptive Russian makeup.

This photo is so fucking disturbing that I'm almost speechless.

Post: #774

^^^ where did the photo go? Wtf?

Post: #775

Gonzalo,

So many of these tweets you have taken entirely out of context.

There's the Smooth Criminal one which is an MJ reference.

Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is a British cult classic film.

Smoking at Boston Marathon is about, well, smoking weed at the marathon.

Straight killin em is like, doing something extremely well. Like, final exams, I'm straight killin em.

His tweet about suicide was about how its a selfish and cowardly thing to do, instead of confronting your problems.

Taking a bullet for your bros? Nothing wrong with that, all the guys in my crew would do the same. I've got my ass kicked backing them up, and they've done the same for me.

"Ain't no love in the heart of the city, stay safe out there" is part of a Jay Z song.