Post: #1

In a nutshell, he says women lack the mental aptitude to win in Formula1.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsp...a-One.html

Naturally there's plenty of feminist outrage over his remarks. One such person who is griping is Williams test driver Susie Wolff. Here's the thing about Susie Wolff. She's a test driver for Williams for one reason only. Her hubby Toto Wolff is a shareholder in Williams F1. And to my knowledge, I don't believe she's ever participated in a Friday morning practice. So they're not letting her near the car when it's time for serious business. She's competed in DTM but has never won a race.

You know why I think women can't really compete in high level racing? It's their attitude and their goal. Too many of them are consumed by the "I am woman, hear me roar" bullshit. Ask Danica Patrick what her goal is and it probably changes daily. I can easily picture her saying something like "to show these guys that racing isn't just for men." OTOH, ask Fernando Alonso what his goal was yesterday in China. He'll tell you "to win." Vettel, Hamilton, Raikonnen, etc will all say the same thing. Who they're beating is a secondary consideration. Winning is the primary focus. If it isn't, you've got no place in any race car.

Post: #2

Hey, the disparity between men and women in chess is bigger than in physical sports.

Post: #3

evolutionary, men are built for competition

Post: #4

(04-15-2013 02:37 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  In a nutshell, he says women lack the mental aptitude to win in Formula1.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsp...a-One.html

Naturally there's plenty of feminist outrage over his remarks. One such person who is griping is Williams test driver Susie Wolff. Here's the thing about Susie Wolff. She's a test driver for Williams for one reason only. Her hubby Toto Wolff is a shareholder in Williams F1. And to my knowledge, I don't believe she's ever participated in a Friday morning practice. So they're not letting her near the car when it's time for serious business. She's competed in DTM but has never won a race.

You know why I think women can't really compete in high level racing? It's their attitude and their goal. Too many of them are consumed by the "I am woman, hear me roar" bullshit. Ask Danica Patrick what her goal is and it probably changes daily. I can easily picture her saying something like "to show these guys that racing isn't just for men." OTOH, ask Fernando Alonso what his goal was yesterday in China. He'll tell you "to win." Vettel, Hamilton, Raikonnen, etc will all say the same thing. Who they're beating is a secondary consideration. Winning is the primary focus. If it isn't, you've got no place in any race car.

Although I agree with your premise, I disagree with your final paragraph. Women not competing at top levels most likely has to do with biological wiring as well as attitude. Studies have shown that when it comes to IQ men and women average about the same, but more men are outliers -- meaning more of them are geniuses but more are mentally challenged.

My feeling is that since winning at sports competitions takes aptitude as well as attitude, this is where the IQ differences kick in. Although there is no standard IQ test for race car drivers (for example), it takes a very specific type of intelligence to understand exactly how to navigate a racetrack at impossibly high speeds. You can have all the guts and fortitude in the world, but unless you have the brains to know how to do this, you'll wind up splattered against the wall. Racing forces men to rely on split-second decisions, instincts, laws of physics, speed, etc. In a way, these guys possess a type of genius that can't really be measured.

I've seen this play out in other sports as well. It's not just about physical ability or having balls. You have to have the brains to assess the whole field, make decisions, execute them, etc. It means you have to process a LOT of incoming data at a lightning speed, then act on it in the exact right way.

IMO this is a male thing that might not exactly be called "IQ," but is related to it in some way. It probably evolved because we had to run away from huge animals, then find a way to kill them and eat them. I'm not kidding.

It's a shame society lies to women by not explaining how men and women differ intelligence-wise. It gives rise to the "I am woman!" attitude you describe above and this attitude definitely doesn't help when women do decide to compete.

Post: #5

Women are barely mentally strong enough to wina game of mario kart..... i think F1 Drivers are safe.

I am sure a bunch of feminists will say women can do everything a man an do while women fail to even attempt these tasks.

Post: #6

Fat asses could'nt fit in the seat much less text.

Post: #7

Quote:Moss, often regarded as the best driver never to be world champion, said the stress of top-level racing would be “difficult for a lady to deal with in a practical fashion”.

But Susie Wolff, who is in her second season as test driver with Williams, said his comments made her “cringe”.

I love how she proved his point. If she can't stand some old dude running his mouth, maybe he has a point...

Post: #8

For all the stories of women outcompeting men nowadays, we see so little of their superiority. Business, sports, science, technology, art... Women only compare when the rules are changed in their favor.

The really fucked up thing is exemplified by this comment:

Quote:As a lifelong motorsports fan, I have great respect and admiration for Moss. But he or his people really should be more careful what he says these days. We live in the 21st century now, not the 1950s and it is sad to see such a towering figure make himself the subject of ridicule by such crass remarks...

Not an attack on the argument or the facts, but an attack on the tone and the political incorrectness. "It's veracity is irrelevant, you should not be able to say such a thing." Feelings over facts. This is why the West is weak and losing more strength and power every day.

Post: #9

Love him even more after those comments. Suzi Wolff is a useless driver, she's never finished above 7th in a race. These F1 drivers are groomed from the ages of 7 and 8 for this kind of career and which sex at that age is more concerned with cars and competitiveness? It's not the little princesses playing with dollhouses thats for sure.

Post: #10

What a legend. The comments section proves our ideas are definitely reflected by the quiet majority. I say quiet because even though they support him online, I doubt many would publicly.

And of course, he's right.

Post: #11

Men are better than women at virtually every physical activity because we are faster and stronger, have better balance and are more coordinated. I know some hard core soccer fans who will NEVER watch women's soccer -- their view, and it's a correct one, is that it bears no relation to how the game IS played at the HIGHEST level. It's why women's golf, for instance, will never surpass the men's game. Even in the small motor skills required in golf -- the short game, the putts -- men are far superior.

People watch sports not just for the competition, but for the spectacle. Men put on a better show. Simple as that.

That's why a tournament like the Masters is so phenomenal -- the crowd is cheering for every golfer, they want every golfer to do well, not to fuck up. If the players play great, the tournament is electric.

You'd think in motor sports, it's one area where women MIGHT succeed. After all, they are not handicapped by lack of strength, speed, and power. But even there, the sex differences loom large. Men have better spatial skills and hand eye coordination. Moreover, men have a great capacity for courage -- the ability to engage in and manage risk.

From time to time, there may be women outliers. I think Danica Patrick has some talent, and may win a race or two. But she will struggle to keep up. It's just not in the DNA.

Post: #12

Watching women's sports anything is like watching a men's sport being played underwater.

Post: #13

Anyone remember when Martina Navratilova was shooting her mouth off saying she could compete with male tennis players at the same level as long as both players were forced to serve underhand. I never saw the outcome, but apparently some third rate male player took her up on her challenge ....and trounced her. Now if this is what happens to a very butch lesbian, who by the look of her musculature was probably taking roids at her peak, what is going to happen to the average chick?.

But even apart from physical factors, there's just the "killer instinct" that men have, that women really don't. If any filed gains prestige it will eventually be dominated by men. Think about it. 99% of all cooking in the world is done by women. But which gender has 99% of the top chefs in the world? Even much more feminine pursuits, if they gain prestige, but do not appeal to straight men as much, will just be dominated by gay men. e.g. Fashion Design.

Trying to think of a competitive pursuit that men and women can really be said to compete on an even footing. Can't really. Anyone have any ideas?

Post: #14

Dissenting opinion here. Women have never had much success in open wheel racing or motorsports in general, but Michele Mouton. Holy shit can she drive.

Driving a rally car is fucking terrifying. The fact that she was a contender in the Group B era (where people died regularly) is nothing short of amazing. Ironically, she was often compared to Stirling Moss' sister, Pat.

Post: #15

(04-16-2013 12:14 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  Trying to think of a competitive pursuit that men and women can really be said to compete on an even footing. Can't really. Anyone have any ideas?

Probably not even curling.

Post: #16

Women simply can't asses Risk properly. Its that simple.

In that split second on the race track when a opportunity opens up to advance the Man whom is equipped to rationalize and access risk better will see that opportunity and act on it while the female will be resigned or may not even see it. This is nature at work, if you had both groups as risk seekers your population would collapse as both Men and Women would be to inclined to jump off to run into the fire.

A Female begin internal and inward minded simply can't externalize her thoughts to accurately gauge something like risk. Only when that risk comes internally to her will she act. If her child is at risk or harm then a female becomes the most vicious bad ass you have ever met. When that risk now past the point of simply effecting her and being brought internally to the point of effecting her spawn she gets into beastmode.

I can promise you that if Danica Patrick was given a ultimatum that if she did not win her next race her kid would be roasted on a spit like a Chicken she would win.

I have seen this before as this young-ish Redneck I used to work with. Whom has like 6 kids was out at the park and I ran into her while I was working. It was a City event and all types of people we're scattered around the park, her kid was getting into trouble as usual and one of the dudes in the community whom has major major mental issues ended up getting into a fight with her child. I can't even tell you that whiten in the matter of seconds from her looking like a sleazy hot trailer park skank her voice deepened and she ran to her sun and literally batted this man away like a doll. She is no more then 1120lbs and this guy was probably 260-280lbs he was a big fat dude. She with one hand tossed him and he went flying, then he tried to lunge at her again and she swatted him away and ran off with her son. The risk has to become internal to her for her to act, A man facing aggression would of sensed it early and acted more more quickly without that dire need of a child being beating into two pieces to act but that is how female logic/mind is framed.

Classic war tactic was to have women protect the homefront. They were no use for offensive and defensive outward campaigns. They we're most useful at the very last means of ensuing a tribe/group/village survives if a group tried to come in to mow down the youth.

If Feminists could stop crying and embrace their differences the world would be a lot better place. Women suck balls at auto racing so drop that and go excel in shit your good at. Feminists cry that Sir Stirling is a bigot but he is speaking the truth, you all ain't cut out for this shit so go find a new hobby.

Post: #17

(04-16-2013 12:30 PM)Donnington93 Wrote:  Dissenting opinion here. Women have never had much success in open wheel racing or motorsports in general, but Michele Mouton. Holy shit can she drive.

Driving a rally car is fucking terrifying. The fact that she was a contender in the Group B era (where people died regularly) is nothing short of amazing. Ironically, she was often compared to Stirling Moss' sister, Pat.

Those are called exceptions lad. Did you base your name on the Donnington Park circuit?

Post: #18

Bernie Ecclestone badly wants a female F1 driver competing sooner rather than later. Very basic and simple answer why: Money. He could bump the price up on the TV contracts and circuit fees by several tens of million in total no worries with all the new viewers it would generate.