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Teacher’s resignation letter: "My profession ... no longer exists"
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RE: Teacher’s resignation letter: "My profession ... no longer exists"
The thing that really kills me is how the Affordable Care Act is essentially the same sort of nationalization with Healthcare. And it will be as popular with doctors as NCLB is with teachers.

I am homeschooling my kids if I ever have any. It isn't so much for control as it is for their own sanity.

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(04-08-2013 10:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  There's nothing wrong with the education system. Trust me. I spent 7 years in high school, I'm no dummy.

So what was the street value of that mountain anyway?

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I have a 10 year old and 13 year old in a "good" school system.

It's completely insane. The school JUST received another mandate from the Feds to teach a 1 year science class in 6 months.

The result is, my wife and I spend 2-3 hours each and every night, trying to help the kids pound through this pile of shit. They learn nothing. They gain nothing. All they do is desperately try to fill out the masses and masses of endless assignments.

By the way, this school still teaches "penmanship". I kid you not. But no classes on computers or search engines.

No family time, no fun, no nothing. Just endless paperwork.

All the parents in the city went apeshit and started calling the school administrators last year. People were so mad. They started having meetings about shutting down the whole district. The district in response had a series of "forums" to "hear our concerns". in these meeting not one parent was allowed to talk, instead they had everybody go around and write down comments on small cards and tape them on different sections of the wall. Then they had parents group up and "strategize" on "concepts".

Then they said "thanks for your participation" and made some vague promises, and then, of course, nothing happened.

The level of dishonesty is stunning.
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(04-09-2013 07:56 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  I have a 10 year old and 13 year old in a "good" school system.

It's completely insane. The school JUST received another mandate from the Feds to teach a 1 year science class in 6 months.

The result is, my wife and I spend 2-3 hours each and every night, trying to help the kids pound through this pile of shit. They learn nothing. They gain nothing. All they do is desperately try to fill out the masses and masses of endless assignments.

By the way, this school still teaches "penmanship". I kid you not. But no classes on computers or search engines.

No family time, no fun, no nothing. Just endless paperwork.

All the parents in the city went apeshit and started calling the school administrators last year. People were so mad. They started having meetings about shutting down the whole district. The district in response had a series of "forums" to "hear our concerns". in these meeting not one parent was allowed to talk, instead they had everybody go around and write down comments on small cards and tape them on different sections of the wall. Then they had parents group up and "strategize" on "concepts".

Then they said "thanks for your participation" and made some vague promises, and then, of course, nothing happened.

The level of dishonesty is stunning.

That's unfortunate. Ultimately, a lot of it comes from your child's teachers.

I tried explaining to a fellow teacher last week that Wikipedia is actually a viable source of information as long as you refer back to and reference the footnote. I don't want to toot my horn, but an important part of my class is me demonstrating how to research and what equates a strong digital source from a poor one.
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(04-08-2013 10:52 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 10:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  There's nothing wrong with the education system. Trust me. I spent 7 years in high school, I'm no dummy.

So what was the street value of that mountain anyway?

These young cats have no idea what we're talking about.
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(04-09-2013 08:41 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 10:52 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 10:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  There's nothing wrong with the education system. Trust me. I spent 7 years in high school, I'm no dummy.

So what was the street value of that mountain anyway?

These young cats have no idea what we're talking about.

Buck up little camper.

PS-I rubbed out more than one to that French exchange student back in the day. Sadly she's probably aged to the point of resembling Merkle.

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I wish education was reformed. And here is how I would do.

Form the age of 13 you on your own. You get given textbooks, access to a library, past exam papers, a copy of the course guide and maybe access to a tutor (which would be optional) for a couple of hours every other week.

I think most kids who are sensible and intelligent would thrive under this environment. Since you would have much more time freed up to fully understand the subject.

Of course it would never happen since school is mostly about creating jobs for teachers - and disciplining kids for the world of work. I don't have a prblem with that, per se. It is just that people are being dishonest when they say that the current arrangements are in place because that is the best way of transmitting knowledge to the next generation.

I could cry when I think of the thousands of hours that were wasted at my school when I could have being quite happy working my way through a textbook. There is simply no better way of learning than on your own, at your own pace, from a well written textbook. Hell - alot of teachers just read aloud from the textbook anyway.
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How ironic that this "social studies" teacher is surprised that individual freedom is being wiped away from the teaching profession. Meanwhile he's probably voted for liberals his whole life who try to crush individualism by making everything "fair".

Also color me surprised that the "educaters" cant get their shit together enough to get their representation and agendas executed.

This is hilarious to me.

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04-11-2013 07:07 AM
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(04-09-2013 08:41 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 10:52 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  
(04-08-2013 10:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  There's nothing wrong with the education system. Trust me. I spent 7 years in high school, I'm no dummy.

So what was the street value of that mountain anyway?

These young cats have no idea what we're talking about.

Maybe you guys should try speaking in the international language.
04-11-2013 07:17 AM
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(04-11-2013 07:07 AM)Fisto Wrote:  How ironic that this "social studies" teacher is surprised that individual freedom is being wiped away from the teaching profession. Meanwhile he's probably voted for liberals his whole life who try to crush individualism by making everything "fair".

Also color me surprised that the "educaters" cant get their shit together enough to get their representation and agendas executed.

This is hilarious to me.

Teacher's arms are tied due to all the bullshit piled on them. TPS reports and regulations. It's hard enough to come up with a lesson teach it, then grade homework. Now they are constantly filling out bullshit paperwork and reports. But it's policy and they shouldn't complain.
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Bump for John Taylor Gatto. I have been re-reading some of his writing. As I self study some subjects for my career and think back to high school and college, his points are coming back, haunting me with my personal memories.

He is a big proponent of the view that schools, which were created to fill the demands of labor, are have the ultimate goal (and perhaps as their purpose) of stifling independent thinking and self-teaching.

You can read his book here http://www.users.humboldt.edu/jwpowell/2...-Gatto.pdf

A quote from the introduction which I liked:
Quote: The simplistic notion that “our schools are
failing” easily translates into a limitless demand for more resources for the institution and its supports: for books, for teachers, for computers, for real estate (and hence for book publishers, graduate schools of education, computer manufacturers, and real estate developers) — and for more time: for more pre-school, more homework, longer school years, the end of recess, and semi- (and soon fully) compulsory summer schools. And to the copywriter’s delight, it’s a zero-sum game. Not only is there an endless stream of consumers with little or no institutional memory and an absolutely insatiable demand, but the truth is that no matter how much is expended in the educational marketplace, 50% of the schools will remain “below average”, with those branded as poor performers changing from year to year and those above the mid-point fearing, above all, that they will fall into the abyss. And the copywriter has done his job for, it is universally believed, the only response to a fall into sub-mediocrity is to buy one’s way out.

(04-07-2017 11:50 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Stop looking to political figures to solve your problems or to advance you in life. You're on your own, and always have been. No one is going to save you. What we need are spiritual revolutions--upheavals of the soul--and not political revolutions.
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Selections from http://www.wesjones.com/gatto1.htm

Inglis, for whom a lecture in education at Harvard is named, makes it perfectly clear that compulsory schooling on this continent was intended to be just what it had been for Prussia in the 1820s: a fifth column into the burgeoning democratic movement that threatened to give the peasants and the proletarians a voice at the bargaining table. Modern, industrialized, compulsory schooling was to make a sort of surgical incision into the prospective unity of these underclasses. Divide children by subject, by age-grading, by constant rankings on tests, and by many other more subtle means, and it was unlikely that the ignorant mass of mankind, separated in childhood, would ever reintegrate into a dangerous whole.

Inglis breaks down the purpose - the actual purpose - of modem schooling into six basic functions, any one of which is enough to curl the hair of those innocent enough to believe the three traditional goals listed earlier:

1) The adjustive or adaptive function. Schools are to establish fixed habits of reaction to authority. This, of course, precludes critical judgment completely. It also pretty much destroys the idea that useful or interesting material should be taught, because you can't test for reflexive obedience until you know whether you can make kids learn, and do, foolish and boring things.

2) The integrating function. This might well be called "the conformity function," because its intention is to make children as alike as possible. People who conform are predictable, and this is of great use to those who wish to harness and manipulate a large labor force.

3) The diagnostic and directive function. School is meant to determine each student's proper social role. This is done by logging evidence mathematically and anecdotally on cumulative records. As in "your permanent record." Yes, you do have one.

4) The differentiating function. Once their social role has been "diagnosed," children are to be sorted by role and trained only so far as their destination in the social machine merits - and not one step further. So much for making kids their personal best.

5) The selective function. This refers not to human choice at all but to Darwin's theory of natural selection as applied to what he called "the favored races." In short, the idea is to help things along by consciously attempting to improve the breeding stock. Schools are meant to tag the unfit - with poor grades, remedial placement, and other punishments - clearly enough that their peers will accept them as inferior and effectively bar them from the reproductive sweepstakes. That's what all those little humiliations from first grade onward were intended to do: wash the dirt down the drain.

6) The propaedeutic function. The societal system implied by these rules will require an elite group of caretakers. To that end, a small fraction of the kids will quietly be taught how to manage this continuing project, how to watch over and control a population deliberately dumbed down and declawed in order that government might proceed unchallenged and corporations might never want for obedient labor.




Class may frame the proposition, as when Woodrow Wilson, then president of Princeton University, said the following to the New York City School Teachers Association in 1909: "We want one class of persons to have a liberal education, and we want another class of persons, a very much larger class, of necessity, in every society, to forgo the privileges of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks." But the motives behind the disgusting decisions that bring about these ends need not be class-based at all. They can stem purely from fear, or from the by now familiar belief that "efficiency" is the paramount virtue, rather than love, liberty, laughter, or hope. Above all, they can stem from simple greed.

There were vast fortunes to be made, after all, in an economy based on mass production and organized to favor the large corporation rather than the small business or the family farm. But mass production required mass consumption, and at the turn of the twentieth century most Americans considered it both unnatural and unwise to buy things they didn't actually need. Mandatory schooling was a godsend on that count. School didn't have to train kids in any direct sense to think they should consume nonstop, because it did something even better: it encouraged them not to think at all. And that left them sitting ducks for another great invention of the modem era - marketing.


Now, you needn't have studied marketing to know that there are two groups of people who can always be convinced to consume more than they need to: addicts and children.

Theorists from Plato to Rousseau to our own Dr. Inglis knew that if children could be cloistered with other children, stripped of responsibility and independence, encouraged to develop only the trivializing emotions of greed, envy, jealousy, and fear, they would grow older but never truly grow up.


It's perfectly obvious from our society today what those specifications were. Maturity has by now been banished from nearly every aspect of our lives. Easy divorce laws have removed the need to work at relationships; easy credit has removed the need for fiscal self-control; easy entertainment has removed the need to learn to entertain oneself; easy answers have removed the need to ask questions. We have become a nation of children, happy to surrender our judgments and our wills to political exhortations and commercial blandishments that would insult actual adults.

Now for the good news. Once you understand the logic behind modern schooling, its tricks and traps are fairly easy to avoid. School trains children to be employees and consumers; teach your own to be leaders and adventurers. School trains children to obey reflexively; teach your own to think critically and independently.


After a long life, and thirty years in the public school trenches, I've concluded that genius is as common as dirt. We suppress our genius only because we haven't yet figured out how to manage a population of educated men and women. The solution, I think, is simple and glorious. Let them manage themselves.

(04-07-2017 11:50 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Stop looking to political figures to solve your problems or to advance you in life. You're on your own, and always have been. No one is going to save you. What we need are spiritual revolutions--upheavals of the soul--and not political revolutions.
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John Taylor Gatto is the man. I have internalized a lot of his ideas. Sorry to hear he is in poor health.

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