Post: #26

I think getting along with the police is within the spirit of this forum. Shooting it out with the cops doesn't lead to a cool lifestyle. All my experiences here with the Mexican police have been positive. Usually when cops go after someone they have good reason.

Post: #27

(04-04-2013 12:03 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  Maybe it's different up in the 51st state, but in the other 50 states, they're not getting killed while sitting in cars or standing on the side of the road. They're getting killed because they don't wear seatbelts while they drive.

Maybe that is the case on occasion both in Canada and the US (I've lived in both). However, cops might not want to wear a seat belt for reasons other than thinking they're above the law. If you're chasing a guy who's running for a boatload of felonies, do you want to have a seat belt on when he finally stops? What if he gets out and starts pumping rounds into your cruiser? Same thing goes for a routine traffic stop, because you never know.

Here's an NPR article on the topic. Notice that there are a lot of ways to die in a traffic related incident unrelated to seat belt usage.

Post: #28

Why did these cops get killed?

That is the question.

Did they kill an innocent person? Did they lock up an innocent person?

Did they rape or torture someone?

Did they rob someone?

If they did, I have no problem with these murders.

If they didn't, then they are just innocent people who didn't deserve to die.

I need to know both sides of the story before I can form an opinion.

Post: #29

Police in the U.S. do shit ranging from knocking an innocent person around and throwing him in jail for the night, all the way up to full blown murder on the job and get a slap on the wrist in return (at most).

Google the blue wall of silence if you think I'm joking or exaggerating. I have no sympathy for them, they're preying on us instead of protecting us.

Post: #30

You're going to hear negative stories concerning LEOs far more often than stories of thousands of regular people doing their job honorably and going home at the end of their shift.

Yes, LEOs are humans, and humans are fallible and corruptible. That's no secret. Still the existence of law enforcement agencies keep the majority of the people safe for the most part, which is about as good as you're going to get in a cold, uncaring universe. Humans don't obey morals and laws out of the goodness of their hearts. The majority stay in line because they fear punishment. Whether it be legal rammifications or religious judgement.

For all people critical of the police, can you honestly say you'd be safer without any police presence? No one to enforce the laws and regulations of society?

Post: #31

I've never had a problem with the police. Aside from a few high profile cases, they seem to do a good job of distinguishing between mainstream citizens and fringe dwellers. As long as they limit their excesses to isolated cases when they're dealing with the fringe (e.g., Rodney King), I won't judge them that harshly.

Unless these murders were in self-defense, I'm not really understanding the argument some are making in favor of the murder of public officials.

My main complaint is against those officials and quasi-officials who direct their energy at screwing around with regular people just going about their day - TSA, traffic cops, security guards, etc.

Post: #32

Yup, I'm sure he beat up innocent people and got away with full blown murder during his four years working in San Diego.

Quote:You're going to hear negative stories concerning LEOs far more often than stories of thousands of regular people doing their job honorably and going home at the end of their shift.

Yes, LEOs are humans, and humans are fallible and corruptible. That's no secret. Still the existence of law enforcement agencies keep the majority of the people safe for the most part, which is about as good as you're going to get in a cold, uncaring universe. Humans don't obey morals and laws out of the goodness of their hearts. The majority stay in line because they fear punishment. Whether it be legal rammifications or religious judgement.

For all people critical of the police, can you honestly say you'd be safer without any police presence? No one to enforce the laws and regulations of society?

Exactly.

Post: #33

(04-05-2013 12:10 AM)Peregrine Wrote:  Yup, I'm sure he beat up innocent people and got away with full blown murder during his four years working in San Diego.

Have you ever actually worked with police and gotten their internal affairs records? Or do you just have some youtube clips?

Post: #34

(04-05-2013 12:15 AM)Vitriol Wrote:  Have you ever actually worked with police and gotten their internal affairs records? Or do you just have some youtube clips?

I already said that there's obviously going to be bad cops. I remember being rather pissed when I read about four Houston cops defrauding the city for overtime. Cops like that should go to jail. And Dorner's manifesto shed some light on what's happening at the LAPD. Wouldn't surprise me if his accusations were all spot on.

But just because there are some bad apples doesn't mean all cops are bad, which is what you were implying. Most cops are honest, hard working types who risk their lives to keep citizens safe.

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Edit: On the other hand, you're certainly welcome to your perspective. We may just have to agree to disagree. A person's views on the police depend on what sort of experiences that person (or their friend/relative) has had with police officers.

Post: #35

Good cops cover up for the bad cops.

Does that mean the good cops are actually good cops, or are they bad, too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Code_of_Silence

Post: #36

A lot of people wouldn't understand why good cops would cover up for bad cops unless they have served themselves in some way. The bad cops still have your back, whereas if you were to go by this thread, the public does not have your back and is seeking to scruntize your every move.

Post: #37

Whatever you think about cops...they don't deserve to be gunned down. I don't think anyone should be killed for their bad actions. Saying some cop "got what was coming to him" is wrong. Corrupt cops should be sent to prison and hard labor, but not a bullet to the head.

Post: #38

(04-05-2013 12:33 PM)POHammer Wrote:  Whatever you think about cops...they don't deserve to be gunned down. I don't think anyone should be killed for their bad actions. Saying some cop "got what was coming to him" is wrong. Corrupt cops should be sent to prison and hard labor, but not a bullet to the head.

Neither do these fine Americans:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22...33875.html

You know that police misconduct is so out of control that you can find a VIDEO every day showing new stuff - dogs being shot, old women being tazered, cops planting drugs?

When police start policing themselves, I'll start giving a fuck when others take the law into their own hands.

Until then...While I don't encourage police violence, it's not something that makes me care.

Police can end this. Get rid of the scum bags and criminals, stop harassing innocent people, stop shooting harmless dogs in front of their owners, and then police will be respected again.

Post: #39

(04-05-2013 12:30 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  A lot of people wouldn't understand why good cops would cover up for bad cops unless they have served themselves in some way. The bad cops still have your back, whereas if you were to go by this thread, the public does not have your back and is seeking to scruntize your every move.

FALSE.

Want to prove this? It's shown every day, thousands of times.

Go to court. You and a cop can testify before a jury.

Make it, "He said, he said," where you and the cop have different testimony about what happened. But there is no physical proof proving either of you right or wrong.

99/100 times, whose word will the jury take?

Yours or the cops?

Maybe that number is changing and people trust cops less.

Given that police harass, shoot, beat, and murder innocent people every day...Why shouldn't we scrutinize them?

Post: #40

Cops murder people every day? I think you're being dramatic with that claim. Do you have any statistics?

Post: #41

(04-05-2013 12:47 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  Cops murder people every day? I think you're being dramatic with that claim. Do you have any statistics?

SInce you brought up murder: Does this mean you concede that, "police harass, shoot, beat, [but do not] murder innocent people every day...Why shouldn't we scrutinize them?"

Because I'm not going to have a convo with someone who isn't intellectually honest.

Post: #42

Recording police activity should be a constitutionally protected right. If corroborating testimony from a third party confirms that a police officer confiscated a phone or video camera, he should lose his badge.

Post: #43

The general American mentality is that of always praising the cops..."a few bad apples in the bunch" type mentality.

It obviously can't be quantified how many are good/bad, but there are more bad than most of society is willing to admit. Of course there are good ones too. I've lived in several American cities (some big, some mid-sized) and the cops in big cities seem to have more real crime to worry about at least. As soon as you get into a suburb or wealthy part of town, they can might as well be a small town police force.

Keep in mind, a cop can kill someone and say the guy was a threat...that the suspect pointed a gun at him but ended up being a cell phone. Also, no matter how bad the economy is, there is always more money to expand police forces and jails. Always.

Post: #44

(04-05-2013 12:51 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 12:47 PM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  Cops murder people every day? I think you're being dramatic with that claim. Do you have any statistics?

SInce you brought up murder: Does this mean you concede that, "police harass, shoot, beat, [but do not] murder innocent people every day...Why shouldn't we scrutinize them?"

Because I'm not going to have a convo with someone who isn't intellectually honest.

Of course they should be scruntized and held to the same standards as the civilians they have sworn to protect, and moreso because they are living embodiments of law and order; but postulating cops go around murdering innocent people everyday because that's how their dicks get hard is a bit much, in my opinion.

Post: #45

I am absolutely disgusted by some of the views held by members of this forum.

Post: #46

(04-05-2013 01:32 PM)Doctor Wrote:  I am absolutely disgusted by some of the views held by members of this forum.

That's what chicks do. They stomp their feet and talk about being OFFENDED!

Do you have some logical points to make or are you just gonna talk about how disgusted you are?

It's not like anyone posted a picture of a guy taking a shit on a living room carpet.

If you disagree with a point, let's hear your rebuttal.

Post: #47

Most cops are power hungry assholes that get off on fucking with people, writing retarded tickets and slapping handcuffs on them. They are basically paid bullies that can do whatever they want. The best thing to do is just avoid them if yyou can. Don't make eye contact, don't try to be friendly, nothing.

I wonder what happened to this one

Post: #48

I worked for a criminal attorney as a legal clerk. He spent a good amount of time proving defendants innocent by showing the cop was lying. I've seen straight up lies in so many court testimonials. Planted evidence, made up arrest charges, illegal searches, etc.

I've even had cops try so hard to arrest me for a DUI after one beer. They were saying such bullshit like they could smell the alcohol on me and trying to fuck with me during the whole drunk test. They were condescending as fuck too.This is in addition to all fucking speeding and parking tickets over the years.

I don't like seeing people die, but so many assholes I've dealt with over the years in LA makes it really hard for me to give a shit. Especially, when you had a chance to compare it against other countries' police.

Post: #49

Well my thoughts on cops are mixed.

While it's good to say fuck the police at times, at least we have some sort of protection system. We'd be totally fucked without them.

Yet, I do not like the false sense of superiority that officers tend to have. And what sucks more cock is that the media will portray them in a better light than the innocent bystanders and stuff that they kill at times.

Officer Jenny shot dead while on duty= 50 funerals and charities for the family to help them mourn their loss. Free T-Shirts saying "WE MISS YOU OFFICER JENNY" will come in sizes Small to American.

Regular person shot dead by the police = Onto to this weeks weather forecast!

Post: #50

(04-06-2013 02:26 PM)Rosca Wrote:  Officer Jenny shot dead while on duty= 50 funerals and charities for the family to help them mourn their loss. Free T-Shirts saying "WE MISS YOU OFFICER JENNY" will come in sizes Small to American.

Regular person shot dead by the police = Onto to this weeks weather forecast!

If you want a big funeral, there's nothing keeping you from spending your money to prepare to have the same. San Francisco's Green Street Mortuary still has the permits (grandfathered in) to have a brass band parade to accompany your pallbearers in your funeral procession down a good chunk of the city if you want. It's always been popular with locals.

Likewise south of San Francisco there is Colma, a city of nothing BUT graveyards. You'll find some huge ass monuments there, as well as in Mountain View Cemetery in Oakland. There are funeral monuments larger than most people's homes.



There isn't some magic formula that only police officers have. It's just money. You get what you pay for, and they have paycheck deductions that pay into an insurance fund to pay for people's day off from work while in uniform as part of their funeral benefit. I have no doubt if I were to go to mechanical turk or some other insta-work site and offer $100 to each person that dresses in black and mourns at a funeral for a day I would easily get 1000 responses too.

Me, I'd add a dozen women wailing in a keen to my procession.