Post: #26

Damn I couldn't think of anything worse.

They think at one time Mars actually looked like earth, based on the evidence suggesting water flowed through it. They also think there's water inside Mars. But it sure as hell doesn't look anything like Earth now.

Post: #27

A big mistake they are making is sending a mixed gender group with more men then women.

Having sad that I would like to participate in such a program, but only after 40-50 years of age, when I am sure my body starts to age, when I can noticeably no longer bang, party, run and lift as I once could when my vision and hearing becomes worse - it's stupid to still cling to this earthly life when capacity to enjoy it decreases so why not do something crazy, unique and adventurous that will engrave my word in history. Yeah I would totally do that if I were a few decades older than now.

Post: #28

I believe it was Achilles in the Iliad who said that given the choice between an immortal name and an early death, or anonymity and a long peaceful life in the country, he would happily take back his decision in favor of the former and opt for the latter. In this case, I would have to make the same choice. Who wants to get a little bit of an immortal name that you won't even be around to enjoy, to live the rest of your life as a lab rat in a freezing, lifeless desert millions of miles from the place of your birth, dependent on frail technology to keep you alive?

Your fame would be small, too. Everyone knows Neil Armstrong, most know Yuri Gagarin, some know of Scott Carpenter or Buzz Aldrin, but how many remember Gus Grissom, Gordon Cooper, Alan Shepard, Pete Conrad, Harrison Schmitt, or Charles Duke?

Unless you were the first man out the hatch, your name would only be remembered in encyclopedias and by astronomy nerds.

Post: #29

(03-21-2013 08:03 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  This is the team that's sending you to Mars:

http://mars-one.com/en/about-mars-one/team

Notice that there is not one single aeronautical engineer on their team. You would be entrusting your life to an astrophysicist, a doctor, an entrepreneur (who's built wind turbines), a finance guy, a concept artist, and two marketing chicks. There is no one on this team that actually has any relevant experience of how to build a spaceship or space colony.

Yeah, but it's not like a doctor is going to be building the space ship. Read the wiki link. Here is who is contributing what.....

"Mars One has identified at least one potential supplier for each component of the mission. The major components are to be acquired from proven suppliers.

Launcher:
The Falcon Heavy from SpaceX is the anticipated launcher.

Mars Transit Vehicle:
A manned interplanetary spacecraft which would transport the crew to Mars. It would be assembled in low earth orbit and comprise two propellant modules, a Transit Living Module (discarded just before arrival at Mars) and a lander (see "Human Lander" below). The likely supplier for the Transit living module is Thales Alenia Space.

Communications system:

A satellite in Mars orbit to relay video, speech and data between the settlement and Earth, and the related transceivers on Mars and Earth. The likely supplier for the satellite is Surrey Satellite Technology.

Lander:
Mars One plans to use a 5 metres (16 ft)-diameter variant of SpaceX's Dragon capsule. It would have a volume of ~25m3.

Mars One Dragon capsules will be used in five roles:
Life Support Unit – a lander containing systems for generating from Martian resources the energy, water and breathable air needed by the settlers. The likely supplier for these systems is Paragon Space Development.

Supply Unit – a lander carrying only cargo (supplies).

Living Unit – a lander containing an inflatable module to provide habitable space for the settlers on Mars. The likely supplier of the inflatables is ILC Dover.

Human Lander – a lander to carry the settlers to the surface of Mars (see "Mars Transit Vehicle" above).

Rover Lander – a lander to carry the two rovers to the surface of Mars.

Rover:
The rover would be unpressurized and support travel distances of 80 km (50 miles).[39] The likely supplier for the rover is Astrobotic Technology.

Mars Suit:
The Mars Suit would be flexible to allow the settlers to work with both cumbersome construction materials and sophisticated machinery when they are outside the habitat while protecting them from the cold, low pressure and noxious gases of the Martian atmosphere. The likely supplier of the suits is ILC Dover. On March 12, 2013, Paragon Space Development Corporation were contracted to develop concepts for life support and the Mars Surface Exploration Spacesuit System."

Post: #30

(03-21-2013 07:19 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  Any colony on Mars would have to be self sufficient, that means they'd be growing their own food, recycling their own water and air. New building material would have to be procured on site.

That's the only way I see this working. If it was a chance to actually build a new society on another planet that had the potential to grow and prosper into something much bigger over time, I could see myself getting into it.

If it's just a 4-20 man permanent observation deck looking at a desert, where you're counting off the seconds towards your inevitable death... no thanks.

Post: #31

Yeah they will be growing their own food. I would imagine the water would be a little bit trickier. But by the time they have the colony started, who knows what kind of technology we'll have by then. Hell, they may plan on putting 20 people on initially but by 2030 maybe we'll find out enough to make it fairly easy to live up there, maybe there will be a couple hundred people living up there.

Post: #32

Okay guys, put on your tinfoil hats

Do you really think that if a private startup thinks this is achievable that the United States government and Russian governments aren't already there? I personally believe that we (the US) have an advanced military space program that is highly classified. There is no way in hell that Apollo 17 was the last manned lunar mission in 1972. Perhaps it was the last public spectacle, but over the intervening 41 years to present day I can't fathom a scenario where we just stopped going.

That said, I think this is a cool idea. I hope it works out, but I wouldn't sign up for a one way ticket. I think they should bring who ever goes back.

Post: #33

(03-21-2013 03:28 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Okay guys, put on your tinfoil hats

Do you really think that if a private startup thinks this is achievable that the United States government and Russian governments aren't already there? I personally believe that we (the US) have an advanced military space program that is highly classified. There is no way in hell that Apollo 17 was the last manned lunar mission in 1972. Perhaps it was the last public spectacle, but over the intervening 41 years to present day I can't fathom a scenario where we just stopped going.

That said, I think this is a cool idea. I hope it works out, but I wouldn't sign up for a one way ticket. I think they should bring who ever goes back.

They are saying right now that they don't have the technology to bring the men back, but I have a feeling by the time the project launches they will. We're talking 10 years here. Think of where technology has gone in 10 years. The thing is, if they have to technology to bring them back, will they? This show may just be too big to bring them back.

Post: #34

(03-21-2013 03:56 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 03:28 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Okay guys, put on your tinfoil hats

Do you really think that if a private startup thinks this is achievable that the United States government and Russian governments aren't already there? I personally believe that we (the US) have an advanced military space program that is highly classified. There is no way in hell that Apollo 17 was the last manned lunar mission in 1972. Perhaps it was the last public spectacle, but over the intervening 41 years to present day I can't fathom a scenario where we just stopped going.

That said, I think this is a cool idea. I hope it works out, but I wouldn't sign up for a one way ticket. I think they should bring who ever goes back.

They are saying right now that they don't have the technology to bring the men back, but I have a feeling by the time the project launches they will. We're talking 10 years here. Think of where technology has gone in 10 years. The thing is, if they have to technology to bring them back, will they? This show may just be too big to bring them back.

I was under the impression that they weren't intending to bring them back due to the costs of doing so.

Post: #35

(03-21-2013 04:11 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 03:56 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 03:28 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Okay guys, put on your tinfoil hats

Do you really think that if a private startup thinks this is achievable that the United States government and Russian governments aren't already there? I personally believe that we (the US) have an advanced military space program that is highly classified. There is no way in hell that Apollo 17 was the last manned lunar mission in 1972. Perhaps it was the last public spectacle, but over the intervening 41 years to present day I can't fathom a scenario where we just stopped going.

That said, I think this is a cool idea. I hope it works out, but I wouldn't sign up for a one way ticket. I think they should bring who ever goes back.

They are saying right now that they don't have the technology to bring the men back, but I have a feeling by the time the project launches they will. We're talking 10 years here. Think of where technology has gone in 10 years. The thing is, if they have to technology to bring them back, will they? This show may just be too big to bring them back.

I was under the impression that they weren't intending to bring them back due to the costs of doing so.

You may be right. Maybe they said they didn't have the means financially, not technologically.

Post: #36

(03-21-2013 03:28 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Okay guys, put on your tinfoil hats

Do you really think that if a private startup thinks this is achievable that the United States government and Russian governments aren't already there? I personally believe that we (the US) have an advanced military space program that is highly classified. There is no way in hell that Apollo 17 was the last manned lunar mission in 1972. Perhaps it was the last public spectacle, but over the intervening 41 years to present day I can't fathom a scenario where we just stopped going.

That said, I think this is a cool idea. I hope it works out, but I wouldn't sign up for a one way ticket. I think they should bring who ever goes back.

We don't even have a shuttle right now...unless there's a secret one we're launching off a remote Pacific island.

Post: #37

(03-21-2013 03:21 PM)Rah Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 07:19 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  Any colony on Mars would have to be self sufficient, that means they'd be growing their own food, recycling their own water and air. New building material would have to be procured on site.

That's the only way I see this working. If it was a chance to actually build a new society on another planet that had the potential to grow and prosper into something much bigger over time, I could see myself getting into it.

If it's just a 4-20 man permanent observation deck looking at a desert, where you're counting off the seconds towards your inevitable death... no thanks.

Most early conceptions for Mars colonies involve self sufficient settlements. It just wouldn't be feasible to bring constant supplies of food and water from Earth. The distance and the sheer costs of doing something like that would be probably be too great.

Also, everyone on Mars will have to be or become a vegitarian or vegan. There's no way in hell you could expect to keep animals for slaughtering or milking up there, and all the space and food spent on keeping livestock like cows, goats and chickens alive could much better be used for humans in that environment. So I guess cheeseburgers and döner-kebab will be something else to say goodbye to.

Post: #38

So to get the Martian flag you'd have to bang someone born on Mars, right? I think given the epic scope of it all we should award the flag to the first man who bangs a girl on Mars.

Post: #39

(03-21-2013 03:28 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Okay guys, put on your tinfoil hats

Do you really think that if a private startup thinks this is achievable that the United States government and Russian governments aren't already there? I personally believe that we (the US) have an advanced military space program that is highly classified. There is no way in hell that Apollo 17 was the last manned lunar mission in 1972. Perhaps it was the last public spectacle, but over the intervening 41 years to present day I can't fathom a scenario where we just stopped going.

That said, I think this is a cool idea. I hope it works out, but I wouldn't sign up for a one way ticket. I think they should bring who ever goes back.

It's very refreshing to see a conspiracy theory that actually makes sense - i.e., that we are actually kept in the dark about available spacefaring technology, rather that Americans have never actually landed on the moon. Awesome!

Post: #40

I'm looking forward to the alien invasion!!!

Post: #41

Post: #42

One thing that does intrigue the hell out of me is the ideal of looking up in the sky and seeing the earth as just another point of light in a stary sky. Earth would probably look like a bright blue star from the surface of Mars. Can you just imagine that? Everything you've ever known being reduced to a point of light in the sky?

If I did go I'd want to be able to take a mountain bike. I'm sure there's some epic riding to be had and with that low gravity and low air pressure you could go as fast as a car.

Now that I think about it, this colony really wouldn't be much different from prison. You are confined to a cage, get rations of terrible food, can't venture far and are watched by surveillance. Prison would suck but many prisoners get used to it in time and they adjust. Some even prefer prison life over the outside world.

Maybe they should sent convicts up there the way they did with Australia. Those people are already adjusted to that life.

Post: #43

I don't get you guys who wouldn't go. Your name would be in the history books FOREVER. the first dude to colonize another planet. Youd be christopher colombus of space. If you came back to earth imagine the bait you could drop in your day game "yeah, back when i lived on mars we had a cute hamster as a pet, I've been looking for a pet store since I've been back I'm glad you pointed me towards one."

Youd get a blowjob right then and there, no questions asked.

Post: #44

(03-21-2013 05:38 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  One thing that does intrigue the hell out of me is the ideal of looking up in the sky and seeing the earth as just another point of light in a stary sky. Earth would probably look like a bright blue star from the surface of Mars. Can you just imagine that? Everything you've ever known being reduced to a point of light in the sky?

If I did go I'd want to be able to take a mountain bike. I'm sure there's some epic riding to be had and with that low gravity and low air pressure you could go as fast as a car.

Now that I think about it, this colony really wouldn't be much different from prison. You are confined to a cage, get rations of terrible food, can't venture far and are watched by surveillance. Prison would suck but many prisoners get used to it in time and they adjust. Some even prefer prison life over the outside world.

Maybe they should sent convicts up there the way they did with Australia. Those people are already adjusted to that life.

The main difference from a real prison is that you (hopefully) wouldn't be cramped together with violent socially mal-adjusted or sociopathic, murderers, rapists and con-artists. That alone I think would make a whole world of difference.

What fascinates me is the prospect of a separate culture and society developing in a Martian settlement after generations of relative isolation from Earth. Imagine people who have grown up on Mars their entire lives, whose parents, grandparents and so forth would have had possibly only limited contact with this planet. What type of mentality, customs and world views would you expect to develop among them? How would their sense of national, cultural or even ethnic identity develop in relation to those of Earth? How would a society's religious, philosophical and political views be shaped by that environment, if a place like Mars was all they'd known for generations? What would happen, for example, if a large proportion of Mars's inhabitants were Muslims? How would you pray towards Mecca from Mars?

If language and culture were given enough time to develop separately from this planet, and depending on the national composition of the early colonists, you may even begin to see people identifying as ethnic Martian.

This is, of course, assuming that a permanent settlement like that is ever built.

Post: #45

(03-21-2013 02:04 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  VP, are you really serious? You'd be interested in taking a one way trip to Mars?? You'd basically be like an animal living in a cage for the rest of your life. With the caveat of a camera watching your every move.

Just the fact that you'd never see a blue sky ever again or breathe fresh air or see grass and trees or an ocean is the most depressing thought I can imagine.

I get the thrill of going, but honestly I just don't see it worth it. Just consider yourself lucky if you don't die of boredom on that 7 month space trip, just to land and have it all stay the same.

(03-21-2013 06:22 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  I don't get you guys who wouldn't go. Your name would be in the history books FOREVER. the first dude to colonize another planet. Youd be christopher colombus of space. If you came back to earth imagine the bait you could drop in your day game "yeah, back when i lived on mars we had a cute hamster as a pet, I've been looking for a pet store since I've been back I'm glad you pointed me towards one."

Youd get a blowjob right then and there, no questions asked.

Well, this is assuming you actually return. Else, you might be getting your blowjob, but from the rest of the female members of the crew. It doesn't look so good, judging by the ratio.

Also, like someone already mentioned previously. So many names with great accomplishments in space are barely even known let alone remembering.

Post: #46

Also human physiology would start to evolve differently. People would be taller with the reduced gravity. They would also be weaker and less muscular because of the lighter gravity.

You can see some really interesting videos on YouTube about what it would take to terraform mars and make it truly habitable. I could see it happening in the very distant future. Eventually it'll be necessary to have humans permanently outside earth in case there's a disaster. At least we'd have a backup copy so to speak.

Post: #47

Dash just completed his Mars data sheet he shored 2 and banged out 3 semi pros. Saw it this morning

Post: #48

(03-21-2013 07:17 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Also human physiology would start to evolve differently. People would be taller with the reduced gravity. They would also be weaker and less muscular because of the lighter gravity.

You can see some really interesting videos on YouTube about what it would take to terraform mars and make it truly habitable. I could see it happening in the very distant future. Eventually it'll be necessary to have humans permanently outside earth in case there's a disaster. At least we'd have a backup copy so to speak.

I don't know if this is still true, but I thought they were saying it would be easy to terraform venus than mars right? I red that out of an old book though, I think it was Cosmos. Before they sent anything to mars, they sent a "rover" to venus first. It melted almost immediately when it entered the atmosphere.

Post: #49

I'm willing to bet there would be multiple suicides on the flight to mars. Guys kill themselves after joining the Army for an enlistment of 4 years. People would quit all the way right up before launch and upon arrival, of some desolate environment where you can't eat meat, or get enough healthy sunshine (again 7 month space flight) these people are going to crack. I'm getting claustrophobic just thinking about having to live in those suits outside working.

Wtf are they going to film?? Here's Dan using the water recycler.

Who's going to really give a fuck about filming each other for a tv show once they get up there and realize there's no longer any incentive for them?

What kind of people that are capable of being in that kind of social environment for the rest of their lives are going to be cast? It's not going to be the type of people that makes for profitable reality tv. And if it is, then you're definitely going to have someone go on a murderous rampage.

The only thing I would consider doing is signing up long enough to go through the "training" and make some money (should be decent) and just seeing what all is going on.

Truly this seems like a horrible idea from a profitable tv show perspective.

Post: #50

(03-21-2013 07:17 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Dash just completed his Mars data sheet he shored 2 and banged out 3 semi pros. Saw it this morning

Dude, I read the "Action Against Banning Dash" thread for the first time last night. Wow, I spent a couple hours just going through the threads you guys posted, laughing my ass off. Apparently he's a historian, the overall judge of what's a 10, a casanova that can't get laid in Colombia or Korea, but in Brazil he just murders it, minimum HB 6-8 every night. A professional at shoring. And apparently, Hitler was a commie bastard. Damn i had fun reading those threads.