Post: #151

Before I read your latest entry I just want to chime in and say that I'm a huge fan and read all these posts. Thanks for the Man-on-the-street updates. My girl happens to be in Osaka, I shall tell her to avoid anyone over 5'10

Post: #152

(08-03-2013 11:02 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Would you say with your experience Japan is one of the toughest places to bang or do you think you are just almost cracking the nut of how to make things easier?

For me (and I'm stressing the words 'for me', as other guys may have different experiences), Japan is without a doubt the most difficult place to get laid out of any other country I've been to. Here's a quick recap of my past experiences for comparisson. These are the following places I've gamed and gotten laid in...

Beijing/China:
This is where I pretty much started "gaming" in any systematic way. I didn't make much of an effort to count all the women I approached at that time, but based on the amount of times I went out and the number of women I usually approached in one night, I recon I must have approached anywhere between 300 and 350 women. The results: I ended up making out with about 20-25(?) women (those were the ones I could remember, at least), 8 of whom I ended up having sex with. Basically, I could expect to make out with every 15th girl I approached and to sleep with every 30th or 40th girl I went up to.

Although there definitely were blowouts and brief dryspells along with occasional periods where nothing seemed to work, given the numbers and the fact that I was a relative beginner, I'd say it turned out pretty well. I concentrated almost exclusively on night game here, with one attempt at pipelining and maybe a handful of daytime approaches.

Germany (after my return from China)...
This is where I really started counting all the approaches I did. Bombed quite a bit at first when I hit the clubs, since the nightlife scene in mid-sized German towns is heavily reliant on social circle, and there isn't as much of a hookup-culture in my town. I decided to switch to daygame upon noticing that I was getting much better results from it. I eventually ended up approaching foreign students mainly from China, Korea and Japan, upon finding out that being able to speak Chinese, read/write Korean, and converse a bit in Japanese helped quite a bit in getting my foot in the door. If I went indirect, I almost always got a number from the Chinese, half would usually end up calling back, and about a tenth would end up in bed with me.

I approached 135 (I think, give or take one or two) women over a period of about a year and a half:
- about 60-70 club/bar appraoches that went nowhere.
- about 70 daytime approaches: 3 bangs (a fling with a very sweet Korean girl, a very hot but very bitchy Japanese girlfriend whom I was with for about half a year, and a one night stand with a relatively pretty Chinese girl).

The Prague Excursion...
Made a short three-day trip to Prague in 2012. First night I hit two clubs (Duplex and Karlovy Lazne), the former was packed with absolutely stunning Italian girls in their last year of highschool (all on some class excursion, from the looks of it), while the latter had no local Czechs, but instead every other nationality you could think of -- Egyptian, Swedish, Somali-Dutch, Hungarian, Italian, Russian (basically, a flagger's paradise!). Very good quality and ratios overall on that night. Got no blowouts and absolutely no shitty attitudes from anyone here (except for this one African chic). Almost all the girls I approached were very friendly and talkative. 10 approaches that night; no bangs.

The next morning at about 11:30, I spotted a very pretty Chinese girl walking across the street from me, opened asking for directions, switched to Chinese, spent the entire day walking together around the old city centre together, started making out at about 17:30, originally planned on meeting up to go to a club with two girls she'd met at her hostel (a Japanese and a Korean), but they were too tired, so I brought her back to my room, saying I wanted to drop my things off. We never left my room that night. Good times.

so far that made...
11 approaches, 1 bang

Granted, the fling with the Chinese girl was mainly due to luck, but from my brief experiences there, I cannot possibly say with a straight face that Prague was a "difficult" city to pull in if you're going after tourists.

Quote:Do you think doing another 200 approaches will bring you more insight or do you think this is just the amount of work it takes in Japan?

I certainly to hope that I'll find an easier way of pulling in Japan, but right now it doesn't seem like it. I suspect (and fear) that that's simply the amount of work I have to put in to get anywhere here. The only reasonable method I can think of is to build a solid harem once you've really put in the numbers so I don't go starving here.

Post: #153

Quote:Germany (after my return from China)...
This is where I really started counting all the approaches I did. Bombed quite a bit at first when I hit the clubs, since the nightlife scene in mid-sized German towns is heavily reliant on social circle, and there isn't as much of a hookup-culture in my town. I decided to switch to daygame upon noticing that I was getting much better results from it. I eventually ended up approaching foreign students mainly from China, Korea and Japan, upon finding out that being able to speak Chinese, read/write Korean, and converse a bit in Japanese helped quite a bit in getting my foot in the door. If I went indirect, I almost always got a number from the Chinese, half would usually end up calling back, and about a tenth would end up in bed with me.

I approached 135 (I think, give or take one or two) women over a period of about a year and a half:
- about 60-70 club/bar appraoches that went nowhere.
- about 70 daytime approaches: 3 bangs (a fling with a very sweet Korean girl, a very hot but very bitchy Japanese girlfriend whom I was with for about half a year, and a one night stand with a relatively pretty Chinese girl).

Thats funny my experience in Germany is pretty much the complete opposite.
Did a lot of daygame and had a horrible success rate (about the same you have in japan now, no offence) which was frustrating the hell out of me and burning me out more than once. At some point I was hitting on a lot of chinese exchange students and koreans too and these were all were conservative chicks, I susupected alot of them were still virgins and I was getting absolutely nowhere with them. I went on a lot of dates that went nowhere and left me with blue balls.

On the other hand nightgame seems alot more promising here. At least every time I go out I have a good interaction with a chick thats obviously interested, whereas in daygame I would sometimes get 10 blowouts in a row. That was really fucking up my confidence! But yeah the social circle bullshit scene is a problem, not easy getting the chicks away from their friends. My friend was pulling SNLs all the time though in this city, so with some luck it should be possible.

And yeah Prague is great, the chicks are really friendly and you can walk into a bar and have girls from all kinds of different nationalities hanging out there.

Post: #154

Sargon, thanks again for keeping us all updated. Can I ask how is your Japanese? Have you done the JLPT test? What other languages can you speak?

Any part of China where the girls were hotter than girls in Tokyo? (Or elsewhere in Asia for that matter?) I have found Tokyo to have the hottest girls in Asia that I've seen so far - even better than BKK.

Their seems to be a stereo-type that Japanese girls are easy - I have found that that's far from the case and they are very much aware that foreigners think they are 'easy.' The majority of J girls have only been to Hawaii and/or Guam so they haven't traveled much outside of Japan. The ones who you see living abroad on working holiday visas or study visas etc (US, Canada, Aus, NZ, UK) are pretty average looking with the occasional 8-8.5 thrown in (who get harassed non-stop from guys trying to pick them up due to the aforementioned stereo-type)

I found that the hottest girls in Japanese spoke next to no English and weren't interested in gaijin all that much of course there are always exceptions to the rule. They are generally more interested in settling down with a rich salaryman and being a housewife etc. Even though everyone has take English classes from year 7-12 in high school - many students take this chance to catch up on sleep and the ones that do speak a bit of English often don't have the confidence/too shy etc. to use it so if you try and speak to them they will pretend like they don't know any English.

Post: #155

(08-05-2013 02:01 AM)w00t Wrote:  At some point I was hitting on a lot of chinese exchange students and koreans too and these were all were conservative chicks, I susupected alot of them were still virgins and I was getting absolutely nowhere with them. I went on a lot of dates that went nowhere and left me with blue balls.

I understand that, to an extent. Do you speak any Chinese or Korean? That's what mainly got me int the door with them.

It's true Chinese girls can sometimes be a bit more conservative, but not necessarily. I also went on a lot of dates with them that went nowhere. On average, Chinese girls lose their virginity somewhat later than Western girls, usually around 20-22 I'd say, based on what girls I've dated have told me about their friends. Also, unlike Japan, there's a bit of a cultural taboo against women drinking and smoking in public (a good tip is to go for the Chinese girls who smoke. Sure, their breath will stink of smoke and their tongues will taste like ash trays, but usually they're the least likely to be conservative). Asian-Germans are a different story, however. If you're into Asians and you like the personality of Western girls better, there are lots of Vietnamese-Germans you can look for. Of course, the same applies them to that would apply to other Germans.

Post: #156

Nope no chinese or korean language skills at all. It was weird to me because the girls seemed happy to even take a 45 min train ride to hang out with me but I wouldnt even get a kiss out of them. I eventually gave up on this subset of girls alltogether.
Only luck I had like you said was with a Hong Kong chick that was born in Germany. She waas traditional (would cook and clean for me) but still gave it up on the second date, best of both worlds so to say.

I wanna focus more on nightgame right now even though I hate bars and clubs. But at least Im getting more positive interactions, I consider daygame in Germany a waste of time at this point. Its cool though that you found a niche and made it work. Hope you can crack Japan too and Im following this thread with interest.

Post: #157

(08-05-2013 02:05 AM)sixers81 Wrote:  Sargon, thanks again for keeping us all updated. Can I ask how is your Japanese? Have you done the JLPT test? What other languages can you speak?

My Japanese is only conversational. I can chat, ramble and run my mouth and talk fast most of the time without any major difficulties, but my vocabulary and knowledge of grammar is still fairly limited. It seems to sound better than it is, however, since Japanese usually ask me how many years I've been in Japan, and look surprised if I say four months, but some of that may just be flattery.

Quote:Any part of China where the girls were hotter than girls in Tokyo? (Or elsewhere in Asia for that matter?) I have found Tokyo to have the hottest girls in Asia that I've seen so far - even better than BKK.

I haven't been to Toyko yet, so I can't say. I'm most familiar with Beijing and various parts of Northeast China. Beijing is filled with people from all over the country. In fact, most people you meet in Beijing are originally from somewhere else, like Suzhou or Shandong or Nei-Menggu or what have you.

Quote:Their seems to be a stereo-type that Japanese girls are easy - I have found that that's far from the case and they are very much aware that foreigners think they are 'easy.'

I get increasingly annoyed when I hear that particular stereotype about Northeast-Asian girls. "It is SO easy ANY westerner, no matter how lame can find a girl here with no problems because all Japanese/Chinese girls all love foreign men, blah blah blah." This mostly Comes either from people who've never been to China/Japan/Taiwan/Korea, East Asian men (normally only ones who can't get laid) and Western women in Asia, or apparently from guys who were here 10 years ago. In China there is still a certain truth to this, though (mostly in second-tier cities).

Quote:The majority of J girls have only been to Hawaii and/or Guam so they haven't traveled much outside of Japan. The ones who you see living abroad on working holiday visas or study visas etc (US, Canada, Aus, NZ, UK) are pretty average looking with the occasional 8-8.5 thrown in (who get harassed non-stop from guys trying to pick them up due to the aforementioned stereo-type)

True. The prospect of studying abroad in Europe, NA or Oceania usually attracts a certain type of Japanese girls that often are not necessarily representative of much of the general populace in Japan. For example, those ultra-sexy, trendy types or the ones with microscopically short mini-skirts, or the ones with blond hair and purple contacts you see walking around Namba you'd probably never encounter outside Japan. I'd say the majority of the Japanese girls who study abroad lean more towards the nerdy, slightly childish types. At least that's been my experience.

Even in Germany, where guys almost never approach, the girls I dated said they and their friends would frequently get approached by local guys on the street. I also new a girl from work whose parents were from China and Vietnam, who said she'd get approached by guys trying to spit game with some line in broken Japanese.

Post: #158

(08-05-2013 02:49 AM)w00t Wrote:  Nope no chinese or korean language skills at all. It was weird to me because the girls seemed happy to even take a 45 min train ride to hang out with me but I wouldnt even get a kiss out of them. I eventually gave up on this subset of girls alltogether.
Only luck I had like you said was with a Hong Kong chick that was born in Germany. She waas traditional (would cook and clean for me) but still gave it up on the second date, best of both worlds so to say.

I wanna focus more on nightgame right now even though I hate bars and clubs. But at least Im getting more positive interactions, I consider daygame in Germany a waste of time at this point. Its cool though that you found a niche and made it work. Hope you can crack Japan too and Im following this thread with interest.

With Chinese and Korean girls in Europe it's really mainly a numbers game, and it often takes a bit longer. Progress can be a bit slower, since most of them don't drink alcohol. How many Chinese girls did you go out with? My experience was that you had to go out with about ten for one to come through.

First Chinese GF (pre-game, pre-China) I'd met at a party. Friend of a friend of a friend. We danced and ground around on the street while everyone around us was drunk (Germany had just defeated Ghana in the WC). Got her number, went on three dates, went back to her place on date three. She wasn't the shy kind though, and would make constant off-hand sex references, such as (while we're at a club with some of her friends) "If Yang Liu (a mutual acquaintnace of ours) offered to suck your dick in the bathroom here right now, would you say yes?" with this devious grin on her face. She was a smoker (usually a big no-no for Chinese women). Lesson learned: if you want Chinese girls in Germany, go for the smokers (just be sure to give her some mentos or tictac or something before you kiss her).

The Korean girl (after China) I'd started chatting with on a bus stop. Very sweet, kind of shy, spoke very good German, though. Got very flushed when I asked her on a date, saying she normally doesn't go out with guys she hasn't known for less than a year (!!??). Had sex on the second date, though (so much for "no less than a year"). Very sweet girl, though. Cooked for me and everything. Spent the my last night back home with that one before coming to Japan.

The Japanese girl (pre-Japan) I mentioned in the "Picking up J-girls in Japan" thread. You can find it somewhere over there.

After breaking up with the Japanese girl, I went out with 11 mostly Chinese girls, similar experiences to yours. Escalating can be very tricky. The eleventh one I ended up sleeping with on the second date, but the ten before that you couldn't get anywhere with.

Post: #159

I'm surprised at some of the blow outs you're getting. Especially the one with the girl calling her male friends over. Wow, that sounds extremely harsh for a Japanese girl. I can't say I ever experienced anything like that when I was there, even in the foreign bars.

This still doesn't make sense to me, since you said you were tall, normal looking, & deep voiced. I could see it happening to some short, obese guy wearing an anime shirt and some shit like that, but not the former.

Do you have your eye contact, tonality (that whole breaking rapport vs. trying for rapport theory), and body language/posture down good? Are you aware of it all? Maybe one of these things is making you come off creepy or beta. Of course this is mostly KJ since I did not approach anywhere near the number of J girls you have.

Post: #160

(08-05-2013 04:36 AM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  I'm surprised at some of the blow outs you're getting. Especially the one with the girl calling her male friends over. Wow, that sounds extremely harsh for a Japanese girl. I can't say I ever experienced anything like that when I was there, even in the foreign bars.

The incident with the girl and her friends was definitely NOT common occurrence, at least not on the street. Like I said, nearly every time I approach a girl on a subway in that particular manner, I get a good, generally friendly conversation going, usually with a number as of late. This was just freqish bad luck. Concerning some of the aforementioned blowouts in clubs, I can't quite give a satisfying answer as to why this is the case.

As far as body language: I pay some attention to it, but admittedly not as much as I could. I don't think my body language could be too much of an issue, though. I remember being extremely shy at the age of 12-13, had absolutely horrible body language, and I remember how people would act around me when I had it. Changed drastically over the past 12 years as a result of several different factors. I know how people would be acting around me if I had such poor body language that it was the main reason for my problems here.

Also, if body language were the main issue, one would also expect me to have similarly poor results in other countries, which was not the case. Though I wouldn't say I absolutely killed it in other countries, I could get decent results with moderate effort. Look at my earlier post on China, Prague, etc.

Post: #161

Recap of Sunday, August 4th,

I spent most of the day with the Taiwanese girl I'd picked up at Namba the night before. Looked at the stuff around Tennoji, Osaka-Jo, the Ferris Wheel and this major highrise in the south of the city near the sea, then I took her down to Amemura. Good opportunity to see some of the stuff I hadn't bothered to visit. I'd expected it to go similar to that one Chinese girl I'd pulled during my trip to Prague, but couldn't seal the deal. Some touching, arm around the waist, backed away when I tried to steal a kiss. Couldn't get any further with that. Not too disappointed though, saw more of the city and at least I can't tell myself I didn't try.

On my way back I thought I should try to get some more approaches in, but was tired and after walking around Kyobashi and finding no interesting prospects, decided to call it a night. On my way to the train station at the entrance to the Keihan Mall at Nampa Square, a pretty girl in a pink top passes me by, the whole time she's looking at me and smiles. One rule of mine is the following: if a girl gives you eye contact on the street and smiles, you pounce; you go in for the kill no matter what. I'm not expecting to get anywhere, though. Afterall, this is Nampa Square, but I'm ready to try it anyway.
After opening her, she says "you're the guy from XYZ university," aren't you?"
????!?!?!? That's right! It was then that I suddenly remembered her: she was with the group of Chinese students I'd chatted with on the bus, the other day. We chat in Chinese for about 10 minutes. I say we should meet up sometime and go out. She obliges and puts her number in my phone. At least I got one approach out of the night.

So far that makes...

211 approaches, 47 numbers, 11 dates, 7 makeouts, 2 bangs
about 7 prospects

more info coming soon...

Post: #162

Monday, Aug 5, 2013

Only 4 approaches today:

3 direct: 1 number
1 indirect: 1 number

Girl in blue dress...
This was just a warmup. Wasn't too interested in this one. Just went up and told her I thought she was hot. First, shock and awe, second polite and shy decline. Moving on...

Girl in dark blue skirt...
Saw this one across the street from me on a bridge near a park next to Umeda. Caught up with her and went direct, she was a bit shy but warmed up surprisingly well. We chatted for a while both in English and Japanese. Afterwards, I said in English that I'd love to take her out sometime. ”うん” she said, nodding her head, and we exchanged numbers. "One of her last words was "teach me English!"

Girl from Tokyo...
Approach another girl, near a train station. Again, direct. She was from Tokyo; chatted a bit, but declined when I asked her name.

Girl in red...
Getting off the train back home I spot a girl with long natural hair, a red top and a black thigh-length skirt. I notice this is the same girl I asked for directions for the other day, but never pursued since she was on the phone. Just started running my mouth this time, we talked for about 15-20 minutes while walking back to the campus where I live (apparantly her house wasn't far by, I might be able to use this to my advantage if I plan to get her to my place). We exchanged numbers, but I've got the feeling she's unlikely to respond if I text/call her. We'll see.

So far that makes...

215 approaches, 49 numbers, 11 dates, 7 makeouts, 2 bangs

about 9 prospects at the moment

More info coming soon...

Post: #163

Sargon, you are like a machine! Keep the good fight!

Post: #164

Tuesday, August 6th, 2013

3 approaches, not my best of days

2 direct: 0 numbers
1 indirect: insta-blowout

Texted 2 prospects today, 1 responded to the first text but not to the second, while the other did not respond at all. Other girl responded to a message I'd sent her last Thursday. I responded about an hour later with no response.

Approached a girl near Kyobashi on the street; direct; not the best of responses, but chatted for about 7 minutes while walked down the street. A guy she knows sees her walking next to me; we part ways and she practically runs away before I can even try to close.

Approached another girl near Osaka Eki, average in appearance, not really my type. We chat, but she's also put off by the directness. I eventually try to number close but she fiddles around and is hesitant. I try to nudge a bit, but say goodbye when I realize she's not having it.

Walk past another girl who's sitting down reading a book, asking "すみません、北新地はどこですか。(scuse me, where is Kitashinchi?)” Directions have at least gotten me numbers and friendly conversations in the past.

You can tell she heard me as she glances for a millisecond, but she ignores.

Trying to save face, I repeat the question "すみません、北新地はどこですか？(scuse me, where is Kitashinchi?)”

"わからない！（I don't know!),” not looking up.

Wasn't much today, I know. Hopefully things will look better tomorrow.

So far that makes...

218 approaches, 49 numbers, 11 dates, 7 makeouts, 2 bangs

More info coming soon...

Post: #165

Sargon, is there anyone in Japan that you know, or maybe someone from this forum, that could watch you? I just can't help but wonder if there is something that you could tune up that would improve your stats. Then again, maybe it's just Osaka. Ever tried in Tokyo? Do you and Japan just not vibe well? It's an interesting question.

Post: #166

(08-06-2013 11:37 AM)Menace Wrote:  Sargon, is there anyone in Japan that you know, or maybe someone from this forum, that could watch you? I just can't help but wonder if there is something that you could tune up that would improve your stats. Then again, maybe it's just Osaka. Ever tried in Tokyo? Do you and Japan just not vibe well? It's an interesting question.

I suspect that I just don't vibe well with Japan. I'm sure some of my game can be tweaked, but in all my years I've never gone through 220 appraoches with just 2 one night stands to show for it. It may be Osaka, as I have yet to game anywhere else. Recently, the song "the Women of L.A." has come to mind when I think of this place, just switch "L.A." with "Osaka" and you get a pretty accurate picuture (especially with the bars closing at 1:30), minus the references to money, and only I don't look a thing like the guy in the video.





Ironically, this omega housemate of mine from Taiwan (a bit of a stereotypical Otaku/Japanophile) remains convinced for some reason that all the girls fucking love me and that he's just not getting any cause he's not white.

I'm planning on taking a quick trip to Kyoto and Nara, so I'd like to see if anything is different there, but I've learned not to get my hopes up too much with this country. This is not to say I dislike Japan, however. I am very glad to have come here and experienced the culture. It is only this particular aspect that seems lacking.

I'll try to see if I can get a thousand approaches in during the year I'm here. Even if not a single one ends up in a third bang, at least I'll be in good mental shape for other countries.

Post: #167

We gotta figure out something. Over 200 approaches and 2 lays to show for it.
How are you dressing?
Do you think you're being too much of a gentlemen when you approach?
Do you think it's because you are approaching alone?

Maybe Osaka is just tough. Locals may be more reserved?


I enjoy reading your thread. Keep on working hard.

Post: #168

Sargon, the street is the lowest probability and your stats are showing it's not the best place. Hit the bookstores ! Hit the grocery ! the street is not the only place to go indirect. Try 200 approaches at the bookstore and I bet your stats will be different.

Even if i were to hit the street I know I would have to put in a lot of work.

If you go to the bookstore, hit up the foreign language section and find the English section. Sometimes you will see girls looking for English books. This is the easiest type of girl to approach. This is sniper game. All you have to do is go up and say "Do you speak English ?" and go indirect or direct.

Also look for the foreign travel guide section. Girls there are looking to go abroad so its soooo damn easy. I wrote about this somewhere in my posts.

Post: #169

It's funny. I feel like every time I've described my experience in Japan, I'm labeled a hater. Japan is NOT fucking easy to get laid in. Worst of all is that unless you like a limp fish, the sex itself sucks too for the most part. Oh well.

Anyway, Sargon, I read the first couple of pages, the rest was TL;DR and I came to the end to tell you pretty much what memcpy did. Street game is really really hard here. And you're gonna have to deprogram yourself to some extent about the whole alpha/beta thing on forums like this. In Japan, alpha is not the most desirable, especially the girls you want. The gaijin lovers, maybe some of them, but in general, beta game works very well (relatively).

Personally, *in general*, I find that what works best is to go in as friends. Indirect game is king here. There are exceptions, but not many. Now, of course, don't be fooled. Chicks don't hang out with guys here like in the west. They are never really 'friends'. It's just a comfortable label. They are mostly very defensive about being just a fuck and want you to prove that that's not what you're about. There are sluts that will let you get away with it, but again those aren't the girls you want, are they. So go in very innocuous and be prepared to do at least two dates or three before the bang. During this time, anyone watching you wouldn't know the difference between a date and two platonic friends. No kiss goodnight. No holding hands. A bit of kino, maybe.

If she's met you, then dated you twice and then agrees to date you a third time, she is into you almost regardless of what she labels your relationship. On your third date, let 'er rip. Be aggressive. She might say no, that's ok. Keep going. Stop short of rape, of course, but you need to really be relentless sometimes. If she CAN leave but doesn't, she wants to bang. Suggest a love hotel. Some will say yes because they are down and some will play the "but we're just friends" card. This is your cue to kokuhaku. You ask her to be your gf. Some girls will not do anything until you do. Simple as that. I've lost lots of opportunities because I didn't see that's all I needed to do to get rid of her ASD.

If you want, we can get together for a drink sometime. Message me. I can try to share what I've learned and hopefully it's not all wrong. LOL

Post: #170

(08-06-2013 07:13 PM)memcpy Wrote:  Sargon, the street is the lowest probability and your stats are showing it's not the best place. Hit the bookstores ! Hit the grocery ! the street is not the only place to go indirect. Try 200 approaches at the bookstore and I bet your stats will be different.

Even if i were to hit the street I know I would have to put in a lot of work.

If you go to the bookstore, hit up the foreign language section and find the English section. Sometimes you will see girls looking for English books. This is the easiest type of girl to approach. This is sniper game. All you have to do is go up and say "Do you speak English ?" and go indirect or direct.

Also look for the foreign travel guide section. Girls there are looking to go abroad so its soooo damn easy. I wrote about this somewhere in my posts.

You're right, I'll have to try and hit up a bookstore today and in the next couple of days. I'm interested in seeing if that brings me better results. Are there any bookstores in Osaka that you would particularly recommend?

Post: #171

(08-06-2013 08:03 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  Worst of all is that unless you like a limp fish, the sex itself sucks too for the most part. Oh well.

That is something I've noticed about the three Japanese girls I've been with, the first to a lesser extent, but the two I've nailed here are definitely like that.

Another problem I've repeatedly come across is the flakiness. Both from numbers pulled in Starbucks and on the street, you're very lucky to have girls respond to texts.

Usually, the conversatoin will go as follows...

Me: ”[Japanese girl]、久しぶり。サルゴンです。最近はどうですか？元気？”
[If she responds at all] Usually 1-2 days later...
J-girl: ”元気です？サルゴンは元気？”
Me: ”元気。来週の金曜日が土曜日に一緒にご飯食べに行こう？”
No response after that. If you're lucky you might get a ”金曜日予定いってます。ごめんね。”

Anything I can do to improve this?

Again, this is something I largely only experience with Japanese girls. I remember this was even the case with Japanese students studying abroad in Germany. Not just dates, mind you, with any kind of meeting, even just completely platonic conversation partners. You'd text them, they'd respond to each text 24 hours later, so it would take about a week to set up a meeting. About 1 to 5 hours before you were supposed to meet up, you'd get a text from her saying she had a headache. I was chatting with this American the other day and he claimed to have had similar experiences.

Post: #172

You could be moving too fast. I've had some meet me after an interaction like that, but many want to text for a while and get to know you that way first. I know, it's stupid as fuck. That's the whole point of meeting up - to get to know each other (and really, you could text till 2019 and still not know that much about the person until you meet them in person). But a lot of them like that here. Be prepared to text for a while before the meet.

Also, you're not giving them an excuse to get back to you other than "how are you?" and "wanna meet?". Instead of "Hi, it's Sargon. How are you?", you could try something like, "Hi, remember me? It's Sargon. How's it going? Man, it sure is hot lately, isn't it! What do Japanese people do to cool down when it's so hot? I'm not used to heat like this..."
With J girls, it's all up to you to carry 95% of the conversation. If you're lucky, she'll ask you some inane questions like what your hobbies are, what kind of food do you like and all that bullshit. Don't expect or hope for more intelligent conversation. It won't come. I don't know how good you are at that, but you better get good if you're not.

Another thing I noticed is that you opened with Japanese. Open with English instead. Those that want to practice their eigo will be happy and those that don't or can't will let you know and then you can switch over.

And it also depends how hot the girls are you are hitting on. The hotter the harder holds in Japan too just as much as other countries. If you're hitting on true 8s and above, don't expect lots of action. (An 8 in Japan compared to Japanese women, not fat slobby American women.)

Out of curiosity, why aren't you working the school you're at? You're at a Japanese uni? Isn't there five thousand Japanese cuties on your campus? That should be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Post: #173

This is my first post, but I have been following this forum closely the last year, excuse my post if you find it not valid.

Sargon,

You sound like a great guy, I would love to hang out looking for girls sometime. Here are a few points that strike me after reading this long thread.

- To me you basically come out as a foreign version of these nampa-guys, this can only be negative from a girls perspective.
-You might have developed a approach/conversation style that you repeatedly use on all these girls, like a machine, and to be honest, it does not seem to work. This needs to be changed.
-You get all these numbers but they flake or fail. Might slightly change tone in message to them, but must be based on the foundation from your approach.
-You seem to be going for the quick bang, I doubt this will work with your method IN THAT PLACE. Osaka seems tough. Randomly might work, but do you really want to go through all that work and still basically not get the bang?

Ideas:

Do more night game, look for girls that are in party mode, half drunk, go from there, but not too hard. Try to be funny, do not come out as your goal is number close or bang, wait with number close to absolutely last minute, or bail out if you see this will lead nowhere. Of course this is where you can also pull ONS, but only when you least expect it! You need to change your minsdset about the ONS thing, girls read it.

Go out with male or preferably female friends. Running solo is significantly harder, not everywhere, but most places in the world.

During approaches, say you would love to meet again, like a "date", to "learn more about her", try to get her to think and belive you genuinely look for a GF. This either make her run, or she is receptive. Win Win for you.

If you number close based on above, then message same day or day after, clearly telling what you want, like: "Nice to meet, it would be nice to meet you again, I find you interesting, maybe we are perfect match" or some bullshit like that. Positive replies will then be open to what you want, no replies, well you filtered them out.
Then on date, same story, fun, laughter, try to discuss about GFs/BFs etc, what she wants, then set up date no.2. Escalate from there.

Select your approach targets better, you seem to approach anything that you see, anywhere! Better filtration, possibly better results, less of the hassle you have up to now experienced.

Just my 2 cents..Ive been to Tokyo only in JP, some stunners there, but the average is not all that, still many 6-7 nice ones.
I found the night scene to be best, JP girls are just shy during day game.
Or shopgirls etc worked great if you managed some time talking only the two of you, over counter or whatever.

Look forward to more great updates!

Post: #174

(08-06-2013 11:40 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:13 PM)memcpy Wrote:  Sargon, the street is the lowest probability and your stats are showing it's not the best place. Hit the bookstores ! Hit the grocery ! the street is not the only place to go indirect. Try 200 approaches at the bookstore and I bet your stats will be different.

Even if i were to hit the street I know I would have to put in a lot of work.

If you go to the bookstore, hit up the foreign language section and find the English section. Sometimes you will see girls looking for English books. This is the easiest type of girl to approach. This is sniper game. All you have to do is go up and say "Do you speak English ?" and go indirect or direct.

Also look for the foreign travel guide section. Girls there are looking to go abroad so its soooo damn easy. I wrote about this somewhere in my posts.

You're right, I'll have to try and hit up a bookstore today and in the next couple of days. I'm interested in seeing if that brings me better results. Are there any bookstores in Osaka that you would particularly recommend?

If they don't have that then maybe there is a WonderGoo, which is also a books, movies, manga type store.

Also check out the large shopping malls, i'm pretty sure those will be good. Try to hit up the most crowded bookstores, with lots of traffic, those are the best. Tsutaya and wondergoo tend to have a lot of invisible boyfriends that will appear out of nowhere. It's common for a girl to be on one end of the store and her boyfriend to be on the other side of the store looking at games and shit, then when you're talking to her he will magically materialize and just stand there not saying anything.

Post: #175

Hey guys. I've been in Japan for the last month . I've been pretty busy with work but I've had a decent amount of free time. A couple observations. Unless you speak Japanese day game is almost impossible. Its always possible to be a goof ball that is walking aroudn with his head in the clouds lost and looking for directions. I've done that several times and be goofy and ask to get my picture taken with them and get their facebook info. If you can keep up this high energy goofiness girls will respond to it positively but you usually need a wingman or you feel stupid after a while.

Another thing I did in Osaka in Namba was make friends with the dudes in the clubs that seem to be with big groups. They are happy to introduce you to their friends if you are genuinely interested in them. Through 1 girl I met in a club I met all her friends and they are all options.

Anyways I wouldn't mind meeting some more gaijins. I'll be in Nagoya on Saturday night and hopefully I'll meet some girls I met at a club a couple weeks ago. Depending how that goes I'll either stay in nagoya or go to Osaka until the 15th. I dont have shit to do during that time. I'll probly check out some Brazilian Jiu jitsu places during the day or maybe sumo if I can find it and go out and look for chicks at night. Let me know if anyone wants to chill.