Post: #101

I think directness is fine, the important is how you say it though. I live in Yokohama but once I was just go up to two girls who were sitting on grass and saying something like ”君たち、可愛い、俺、退屈してる、話そう!”(you guys are cute, I'm bored, let's talk!) and sat down right next to them, I'm Vietnamese but they mistook me for Japanese the whole time, that was fun.

Post: #102

(07-19-2013 03:01 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 06:00 PM)memcpy Wrote:  yea the street is the hardest place, which is why i stick to the bookstores, supermarkets, etc. You will almost rarely get called out on nanpa if you stick to those places. I usually go indirect there.

But if i see a girl on the street i'll go direct.

How do these direct approaches usually turn out for you?
I get the impression most Japanese girls don't react well to directness, though maybe it's just me.

Here is an example of an approach i did today on the street.

(walking along side girl)

me "excuse me do you speak english?"
her (deer in head lights look)
me (i let her look at me, then break the silence)
her "no" ( still looking a little intrigued, starts to slow walking pace down to almost a stop)
me "じゃ日本語は？
her "うん”
me "あの　そこで見かけたんだけど　かわいいなーと思って声をかけました。(i saw you over there and thought you were cute, so I said something)
her （looking at me)
me 大学生ですか？
her ”うん　そうです”

then we just bullshitted about what was going on and what she was doing. I didn't get a number but its just an example.
Also I was wearing a suit, it wasn't very hot today where i'm at.
With the suit I get some good reactions, much better than when i'm wearing street clothes. But since it's summer it's starting to get to hot and humid to wear it.

But no matter what i'm wearing it's still the same

Its also a good sign when a girl says she speaks a little english.
Just make sure you create that awkward pause where she has to speak up and say something after you ask her if she speaks english, so you can get a feel for where you stand.
If she doesn't answer then I immediately take over the conversation.

I also open in English when i'm in the bookstore. then switch to japanese.

Post: #103

(07-19-2013 09:00 AM)memcpy Wrote:  Here is an example of an approach i did today on the street.

(walking along side girl)

me "excuse me do you speak english?"
her (deer in head lights look)
me (i let her look at me, then break the silence)
her "no" ( still looking a little intrigued, starts to slow walking pace down to almost a stop)
me "じゃ日本語は？
her "うん”
me "あの　そこで見かけたんだけど　かわいいなーと思って声をかけました。(i saw you over there and thought you were cute, so I said something)
her （looking at me)
me 大学生ですか？
her ”うん　そうです”
[...]

Interesting. Sounds pretty much like the direct approaches I did in Germany. I was hesitant to try them out here because I didn't feel my Japanese was up to the task.

More examples of recent approaches...

The Shanghainese Girl...

I'm walking along the park beside the Okawa River the other day, and I spot a girl in what looks like jogging wear leaning against the rail and looking out at the river. Looks about mid to late twenties, average in appearance. For some reason I suspect she might be Chinese, but I dismiss the idea and think she's a local, asking in Japanese if she could take a picture of me. She obliges.

"ところで（By the way）," I say, "大阪城はここから遠いですか？行った事あるけど道覚えてない（is Osaka Castle far from here?　I've been there before, but I can't remember the way.）"

"近い（It's close)," she says, ”15分ぐらい。一緒に行こう？あたしの部屋から近いです（about fifteen minutes. Shall we go together?It's close to my home.)

She complements my Japanese, saying she's a foreigner, too. I ask where she's from and she says China.

“中国哪里？哪个城市？（In Chinese: Where in China? Which city?)” Shock and awe. She says she's from Shanghai. We spend a couple hours walking around Osaka Castle and the surrounding park together. Exchange contact info in the meantime. She offers to walk me back to Kyobashi station. I ask her if her appartment is small.

"还可以 (It's okay)," she says, "你想去吗？（Do you wanna go?)"

"Uh...好的，无所谓 (Uh...okay, either way is fine/doesn't matter).

She mumbles something under her lip that I can't understand, saying I can come by some other time and be her guest.

"Okay," I say, suggesting that we hang out together sometime. Looks good so far, but we'll see.

More coming soon...

So far that makes...

156 approaches, 28 numbers, 8 dates, 2 bangs
batting average: 1 bang for every 78 approaches

Post: #104

So, last couple of days, I decided to do some experimentation with directness. Did 13 approaches today and day before yesterday (5 indirect, 8 direct). Here are the results...

Girl in Blue (Dôtomnuri)

"Sumimasen!" I say. She stops, looking at me attentively. I tell her I think she's cute and start running my mouth. She giggles and makes this "X" sign with her arms.

Chinese Girl (Shinsaibashi Suji)

Stop this one and decide to open by asking for directions. Doesn't speak Japanese. I ask her where she's from, and when the word "China" comes out of her mouth I switch to Chinese -- best social lubricant of them all! Talk and walk around for quite a while. She seem pretty interested, but she says she's here with her parents and her dad's work collegues, whom she's supposed to meet up with for dinner in a bit. We part ways when she gets to the spot where she's supposed to meet her parents' collegues, and a Group of elderly Chinese people call to her and chuckle when they see us together. I bid her farewell.

Two more direct approaches follow. Similar results as the one above.

Korean Tourist.

I open this girl by going direct as well. She's from Seoul, doesn't speak Japanese, and only a few phrases of English, but she goes along with it just the same. We walk around Shinsaibashi, take a few pictures together. She's looking for a place where she can try Takoyaki. Shit, I've got no cash on me. I say "it's okay, I won't eat any. No money with me." She insists and buys two sets of Takoyaki. We eat together, walk along the river. Communication is mostly guessing, hand guestures and her iPhone's translator. She says she has to get up early to go to Kobe tomorrow, and she be in Osaka again on Tuesday before she flies back to Korea. I offer to take her out drinking then. She obliges and we exchange numbers.

Girl from Nara

Open a cute 18 year old from Nara by feigning ignorance and asking for directions. Chat for quite a bit. Exchange numbers. A Taiwanese guy from university taps me on the shoulder. I chat with his friends (all Taiwanese) shock and awe. Odd how sinophones act like you're the second coming of the language messiah whenever you start speaking Mandarin (and don't look Asian). The girl from Nara can't understand a thing. I say goodbye from both of them and head home.

Another Direct Appraoch...

Again, stops and looks attentively when I say hello, but ignores and walks on when the word "kawaii" escapes my lips. Ouch.

Direct Again...

I open with the same line as with the previous ones. This time I sound like a chump. She indulges me in conversation, we chat for a few minutes. Eventually says she has a boyfriend. Still friendly, though.

Embarassing

Approach a girl by asking for directions. Notice she looks a lot younger up close than from afar. Eventually I ask if she's a student. "Yes," she says. "どこの大学？” (which university?)
”中学校” (junior high)...uuuugghh, goddammit. Embarassing. I say goodbye and she walks on.

Osaka Jô

I decide to try my luck with tourists again. Ask a girl outside the entrance of Osaka Castle to take my picture. Ideal way to chat up girls in tourist areas. We chat for a while. She's a 29 year old teacher from Tokyo. In Osaka for three days on business. We go up into Osaka Castle. I'd never been inside before. Walk around Osaka Castle Park. Exchange numbers. Set a date for the following night to a place reasonably close to where I live.

Taiwanese Tourist

Directions again. Switch to Chinese when she says she doesn't speak Japanese. Chat for a minute or two. She says she's late meeting a friend. We part ways.

The Psychiatrist

Spot a fly, unusually tall Japanese girl on Hikkake-Bashi. First decide to play the tourist and start with a simple "すみません、英語できますか？”(Sorry, do you speak English?)
"A little bit." Still keeps walking. I ask for directions. Start chatting while she whips out her iPhone. We talk for about five minutes (half English, half Japanese). I decide to get a bit more direct, saying (in English) "You look really pretty, I love to take you out some time." She seems to enjoy the fltattery, but politely declines.

Blowout

See this model-like woman walking towards me. "Sumimasen," I say. She shakes her head and keeps walking. I say "xyz ha doko desuka," trying to get at least something out of her. "Achi desu" she says pointing behind her, keeps walking. ”Aruite nanfun gurai kakaru?" I say, trying to save face at least a bit.　”Achi desu." not looking at me...still walking.

Others.

Talk to a girl at Starbucks for a while and chat with a few girls on the subway. The one at Starbucks gives me Facebooks only, which I'm not a fan of, but I've gotten laid twice from it so far. Japanese girls tend to be *much* more hesitant to hand out their numbers than Chinese, German or Korean girls.

So far, that makes...

171 approaches, 31 numbers, about 9 dates, 2 bangs...
Batting average: 1/85

More info coming soon...

Post: #105

You're a savage, inspiring...

Post: #106

Damn, you really have to put in the numbers to get some in Japan, don't you... I thought it was one of the easiest countries in Asia, packed with horny nymphos.

Do other expats generally have the same experience?

Post: #107

delete

Post: #108

Have you considred going caveman to overcome lmr? I may have watched a couple japanese erotic films that seem to imply that some fentle probing may be required to get things over the finish line.

Post: #109

(07-28-2013 05:17 PM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  Damn, you really have to put in the numbers to get some in Japan, don't you... I thought it was one of the easiest countries in Asia, packed with horny nymphos.

Do other expats generally have the same experience?

Of course this is no real excuse, but a lot of it seems to be due to the ubiquity of nampa, which has led to a degree of paranoia among women with regard to men. I suspect the alleged groping epidemic in public transportation (every train has a "women only" car) has contributed to this as well. Despite their stripperific attire, I get the impression that a lot of the girls here have a much greater fear of being labeled sluts.

Really, these nampa guys are everywhere on the street, and you can see a sizable portion of the girls have their defenses up whenever you make eye contact. Sometimes, talking to a woman you don't know on the street carries the default assumption of nampa (though certainly NOT always, of course, only some of the time). In no other country have I ever been shot down during the day immediately after the words "sumimasen/excuse me" exited my lips. Though of course, most women will still indulge you in conversation and give you the benefit of the doubt, so you shouldn't come here afraid to approach during the day. Just be prepared for these occasional blowouts to occur.

To me, it appears best ways to avoid insta-blowouts for nampa on the street seem to be...

a.) Go easy on the whole "suiting up"/"peacocking" thing...

Wanna know the easiest way to spot a nampa or Hostess/AV scout? Look for the guys in crowded areas who are dressed like James Bond getting ready for prom-night. Slicked back hair, three-piece suits. You can spot those from a mile away.

b.) Avoid the places where they congregate...

Your chances of successfully opening a chick during the day go down as the amount of suit-and-ties you see lurking in the corners goes up. Open a local girl at Kyobashi-Station or on Hikkake-bashi and chances are you'll be shot down faster than you can say "Okonomiyaki".

Post: #110

(07-28-2013 07:23 PM)memcpy Wrote:  

Quote:So, last couple of days, I decided to do some experimentation with directness. Did 13 approaches today and day before yesterday (5 indirect, 8 direct). Here are the results...

Also Sargon, you need to try out the bookstores and shopping malls. Your indirect approach will get you much farther inside than outside. I rarely see anyone approach girls while they are shopping. Starbucks is good, nice.

Use this line I use all the time. Pick up and item, 妹にこれをあげたらいいのか分からない。　（if i give this to my sister i don't know if its good or not) if you don't have a sister then, substitute a family member you have. Or just walk up to her with this すみません、正直な意見が聞きたいんですけど。。。(Excuse me , I need your honest opionion ) then talk about some item you have or she has.

Thanks, I'll try that some time in the future.

(07-28-2013 05:17 PM)Global_Cocksman Wrote:  Damn, you really have to put in the numbers to get some in Japan, don't you... I thought it was one of the easiest countries in Asia, packed with horny nymphos.

But in all seriousness, the girls here are sexy as fuck (can't overstate this), making the prize all the more worthwhile, but it is not easy (at least not for me). There's a reason I changed my signature to what it says now. I think the numbers above disprove the notion of J-girls being "so easy and so hungry for foreign/white dick that you'd literally have to be severely deformed not to get laid like a king here" (really, I've heard people say things nearly identical to this without a hint of irony). No, Asian women are not instantly going to throw themselves into your arms the moment they see a long nose, pale skin and brown or blond hair, but I suspect this may have been how things were in the 80s or 90s. On the plus side, being foreign will certainly not hurt your chances either. It just seems to be largely neutral, and statements about the Japanese being "racist" are BS, as well. You just have to work for it like all the other Japanese guys.

Thoughts? Comments?

Post: #111

Quote:But in all seriousness, the girls here are sexy as fuck (can't overstate this), making the prize all the more worthwhile, but it is not easy (at least for me). There's a reason I changed my signature to what it says now. I do get kind of annoyed when I hear these rumours about Asian women instantly throwing themselves into your arms the moment they see a long nose, pale skin and brown or blond hair, but I suspect this may have been how things were in the 80s or 90s.

Thoughts? Comments?

Yes, I sometimes see glimmers of how it must have been here 10 or 20 years ago. At least in areas where foreigners are not common. I was walking down the street and there were a group of Americans in front of me. I noticed the girls laughing and trying to push one of the other girls into them so they could talk to them.

Sometimes I will see those dumb high school girls go up and talk to random foreigners.

Also , good looking is good looking in any country. I saw a tall looking abercrombie model just stand at the club , noddin his head to the music, and girls were approaching him. Lucky bastard

Post: #112

Yet another reason why I miss the Nineties...

Post: #113

In 20 years guys will say: man, i wish i lived in 2010, when the us still somewhat dominated things...

Post: #114

(07-28-2013 10:38 PM)memcpy Wrote:  ...
Also , good looking is good looking in any country. I saw a tall looking abercrombie model just stand at the club , noddin his head to the music, and girls were approaching him. Lucky bastard

Yeah, I was hanging out with a tall blond Swedish guy (in a Western country). Drunken girls approached him and immediately tried to kiss him. But he was so cool, he simply smiled at them

Post: #115

There are a lot of mistakes, misunderstandings about Japan I see in this forum. First its not that difficult, my AFCish friends with just a few routines I taught getting nearly 0.33 date rate, and from dates to close its 100%. It depends on how much they stick.

The biggest misunderstanding is that Foreigners CANT direct game in Japan. I was a direct game fan, and lover in US, in my last 2 years I never went indirect, and I was getting incredible reaction and success, many SNLS, girls saying 'oh you are the only guy with the balls in this club' , 'you are waaay straightforward siirr' etc.

But even I CANT game direct in Japan.

Read again: CANT.

If a normal Japanese guy (non- Nampa, non-host) goes to girl directly and says that she is cute or georgeous, or he wants to know that is direct game.

If host guys go talk, girls think he is doing his job.

If Nampa or foreign guys go say something, girl does not like, they know that these boys are approaching everybody and dont have pride.

Also every white guy in Japan, as soon as landed his feet in Japan, thinks that he is Casanova or Don Juan, and opens crazily. I met many foreigners who never opened in their homeland country (or country they live) such as US, Canada and Australia becomes opening machine here. I met people who never went gaming to bars or clubs in US, and coming going out bars, clubs every night, gaming girls. They are gaming girls in the street.

Why? Because no Japanese girl would say them 'fuck off ' like an American. So every foreigners are brave here. Japanese girls travel the world, of course they know that fact these foreigners are like chicken in their playground. My friends tell me 15-20 years ago it was so easy, you go to a girl on the street, and ask to go hotel directly in the first sentence, and it would work.

Then what? Girls see the truth.

This hurts everybody, a real player who can open his country, also gets that stigma. Though I am not a day gamer, but I number closed nearly to 90% from starbucks, train and about same date rate.

There are million things I can say on this topic, I just dont have the time. I think your percentage is incredibly low, and you have bad theoretical knowledge. Game is 1/3rd theory, 2/3rd practice. You seem good at practice, but dont have the theory, I suggest skip going out and read a lot of books, a lot. Then get a training if you can from a good PUA that is specialized in Japan. I cant tell how US, Europe game is different than Japan game.

Anyway game is JApan is not fun if you are after 9-10s, and Japanese girls are not hot as you think (closed hostesses, strippers, also my friend always tell 'wow she was so hot, you are incredible ' bullshit), if you get enough experience you ll understand as in other topic ImmoralPsychology mentioned.

Also on the other thread I suggest ImmoralPsychology , he has some good points. I totally agree except flakiness part.

The other day, I went to this fireworks, I saw maybe close to thousand people, and one girl that can be classified as 10. Thats another problem, very rare 9 and 10s, they are mostly 7-8s. 9 and 10s you can see in coffees turn out to be high school girls, which I am not into. That is another thing, you never ever see a 10 in a Japanese club, I never ever seen, I have been to every club, I sarge like 4-5 clubs every time. 10s are already taken. A 10 is not openaple in street, because her head is always down, and she totally closed herself to outside world.

Anyway I saw this 10, and she was like 1.65 meters, and her boyfriend was like 1.45 or at most 1.5 meters, he was a midget. Go figure and read ImmoralPyschology post 10 times till you will agree most of the things.

Post: #116

I have never been to Japan but I work at a Japanese restaurant with about 20 Japanese people mostly women. Take this for its worth. Japanese women don't seem to be game responders. They are either attracted to you or they aren't. Looks game is the only game. And there is a look they go crazy over: tall, blond hair, blue/green eyes. Trust me, if you look like that and are decently fit, you really shouldn't have any problems. I know, because I get eye fucked the whole entire day. The fact that many of the waitresses could be my mother makes it mildly disturbing but I digress...

Post: #117

(07-29-2013 01:47 AM)Eastbound Wrote:  I have never been to Japan but I work at a Japanese restaurant with about 20 Japanese people mostly women. Take this for its worth. Japanese women don't seem to be game responders.

Japanese women don't seem to be game responders or you're not pushing the right buttons?

Post: #118

This is an interesting thread. Although I lived in Japan for several years, and had some success with women there, I don't pretend to be an expert with them. I do think Sargon is putting in a lot of effort for relatively little reward, but if he is improving his day game and enjoying it, then great.

I would suggest supplementing day game with going to international parties, and online game. I was getting a new lay or two a month from little effort doing these things. No 9s and few 8s, but I was doing fine, even with minimal Japanese skills.

Post: #119

(07-29-2013 02:12 AM)dk902 Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 01:47 AM)Eastbound Wrote:  I have never been to Japan but I work at a Japanese restaurant with about 20 Japanese people mostly women. Take this for its worth. Japanese women don't seem to be game responders.

Japanese women don't seem to be game responders or you're not pushing the right buttons?

Let me rephrase. I haven't felt game to be necessary. If you have the right look, all you have to do is initiate. Ie.."Lets go out drinking tonight". That worked for me.

Post: #120

(07-29-2013 12:49 AM)thesinner Wrote:  Why? Because no Japanese girl would say them 'fuck off ' like an American. So every foreigners are brave here. Japanese girls travel the world, of course they know that fact these foreigners are like chicken in their playground. My friends tell me 15-20 years ago it was so easy, you go to a girl on the street, and ask to go hotel directly in the first sentence, and it would work.

Now, I'm not going to quote all your post but I will make a few comments.

• Sargon is actually trying and tweaking his game.
• You come on here with a rant on why westerns have no game.
• You took the time to complain, but don't have time to help Sargon? WTF is up with that? This is a community where we all help one another
• "Japanese..travel the world" LOL, yet few know English or are scared of foreigners
• Please do tell on how you managed to close 90% from Starbucks
  

In a completely different story:
On another note, good job Sargon! Keep it up! You still got time to make your goals, it will get better as you know J-pan more and more.

Post: #121

Just got to Osaka Saturday. I've booked 5 days but might stay longer, not sure.

Went to Pure on Sat, couldn't find Giraffe club and not sure if it exists anymore. ~$38 cover for all you can drink. Ratio was about 4:1 guys to girls. The J girls here did seem receptive to being approached but the only ones I saw over a 6 were the pole dancers (I guess they're there to give guys SOMETHING to look at).

Blarney Stone a little irish bar was fun to listen to non-irish live music but they closed fairly early. Will probably go explore some other places tonight...

Post: #122

Eastbound I totally agree on you. You totally described the best guy for japanese girls: blonde, tall, blue eyes. But keep in mind, that is the perfect type for girls who like foreigner guys. About 40% of JGirls prefer foreigners, 60% prefer Japanese guys I would say.

I m far away from that type though girls call me good looking, though I have to admit the flatter I was getting was much higher in America and Europe. I managed to close some 9s with game. But I agree that its mostly look games in Japan.

Pure is low quality. Blarney stone you see 5-6, and maybe 7s at best. Check Giraffe, Its close to Pure, just other side, by the river.

Post: #123

Quote:This hurts everybody, a real player who can open his country, also gets that stigma. Though I am not a day gamer, but I number closed nearly to 90% from starbucks, train and about same date rate.

You're not a day gamer, but you number close from starbucks and trains? Sounds like you are a day gamer to me.
90% thats high, are you a model?

Quote:The biggest misunderstanding is that Foreigners CANT direct game in Japan. I was a direct game fan, and lover in US, in my last 2 years I never went indirect, and I was getting incredible reaction and success, many SNLS, girls saying 'oh you are the only guy with the balls in this club' , 'you are waaay straightforward siirr' etc.

But even I CANT game direct in Japan.

Read again: CANT.

I and several guys would beg to differ from this, there are many j-guys and foreigners going direct with success. You can read several j-nanpa blogs that talk about going direct etc.

Do you even speak japanese?

Quote:Eastbound I totally agree on you. You totally described the best guy for japanese girls: blonde, tall, blue eyes. But keep in mind, that is the perfect type for girls who like foreigner guys. About 40% of JGirls prefer foreigners, 60% prefer Japanese guys I would say.

I'm brown as fuck, doesn't seem to be an issue. I've seen indian dudes with j-girls, black with j-girls, old dudes with j-girls, ugly dudes with j-girls. Something for everyone over here.

Quote:Let me rephrase. I haven't felt game to be necessary. If you have the right look, all you have to do is initiate. Ie.."Lets go out drinking tonight". That worked for me.

Again are you a model? So what you are saying is that all this time we've been doing it all wrong. So i should just go up to the next girl and say "Lets go out drinking tonight " and she will magically show up for dinner and drinks. If its that easy why not just say "Lets fuck" and go straight to the love hotel.

Post: #124

(07-29-2013 12:49 AM)thesinner Wrote:  There are a lot of mistakes, misunderstandings about Japan I see in this forum.

Concerning the Points you brought up...

Quote:The biggest misunderstanding is that Foreigners CANT direct game in Japan.

Until recently, the overwhelming majority of my approaches during the day were indirect.

Quote:Also every white guy in Japan, as soon as landed his feet in Japan, thinks that he is Casanova or Don Juan, and opens crazily.

This doesn't really apply to me. Never thought I was Casanova when I got here.

As for the notion that Japanese girls won't tell guys to fuck off, this is ridiculous. They may not literally say the words "fuck off", but they do openly reject and ignore guys they aren't feeling.

As for the following paragraph: again, doesn't apply much to me or this thread.

Quote:Anyway game is JApan is not fun if you are after 9-10s

Not going specifically after nines and tens.

Quote:[...]and Japanese girls are not hot as you think (closed hostesses, strippers, also my friend always tell 'wow she was so hot, you are incredible ' bullshit), if you get enough experience you ll understand as in other topic ImmoralPsychology mentioned.

Maybe my opinion will change after some time has passed. This is only my current impression.

Post: #125

Six more approaches today...

5 direct: 1 number
1 indirect: 1 number

Osaka Station...

Saw this girl pass by me who smiled upon eye contact. Went up to her with a direct opener. Seems to go for it. Largely positive reaction from this one. We bullshit for about five minutes. Gives me her number and I suggest we meet up sometime. Problem is she says she's a highschool student. Not sure what to make of this, and I didn't ask her age. If she's 18-ish and is down for a date, I'll pounce, if she's much younger, I'll have to pull the plug, but at least she might make for good conversation practice.

4 more direct approaches followed with no luck.

Start a conversation by asking for directions from another chic, chat for about three minutes, but I lose interest and she's late for class.

Girl from Nagoya

Sit down at Starbucks and see a pretty hot J-girl at one of the seats in front of me. No free seats near her, so I say fuck it. She leaves about half a minute before me. On my way out, I spot her heading to the same station as me. I sit down beside her and use an elderly, followed by random BS. She seems to go along. 30-something year old from Nagoya who just recently moved here. The conversation continues on the train and we exchange numbers.

Get off the train and see a cute girl walk out behind me going in the same direction I'm heading in. Feigning ignorance, I ask how far it is to my university and proceed with random babble. We talk for about 10 to 15 minutes. I ask if she's a Student. Which university? Highschool!? God-dammit, not again. I keep talking for the sake of conversation, as it's good practice. We part ways after a while.

The Kindergarten teacher from Tokyo flaked, saying in a message that she wouldn't get off work until late in the evening, saying we should meet up if I'm ever in Tokyo. She probably didn't mean that, but I might take her up on that just to see, should I ever decide to visit Dongjing.

My conclusion on direct versus indirect during the day: as suspected, directness seems much less effective (at least for me) than otherwise. Oddly enough, recently most of my direct approaches respond positively after I stop them, only for things to spiral downwards after the direct line is dropped. They may react better because I more or less run up to them as though I were about to say something important i.e. need help with something. This is different from the "creeper" approach I've observed in most of the nampa guys here. Tried this with the two conversations I didn't bother to close and a couple other encounters, the other day, and it seemed largely positive. The approach that seems to get the best results for me seems to be the stupid-tourist opener followed by more chitchat. Still, as was the case back home, directness can still have its uses, as it keeps me sharp, more ballsy and makes me less likely to make bullshit excuses if I see a girl on the street and don't have an otherwise feasible opener.

Other observations...

Saw a few more nampa groups running their game in front of Hepp5. The security guard came up to chase them off. Another guy I saw standing across the street from me. You can tell by these guys' body-language that they're there only to pickup girls, so I try to pay attention to my own body language. You could see him coming from a mile away. He tried to mutter something to the girl to his right and she turned away and ignored him completely. Ouch. You could see the embarassment on his face...

So far, that makes...

177 approaches, 33 numbers, about 9 dates, 2 bangs...