Post: #451

Alright, having already posted the usual "I Just Had Sex" video and the Viet-flag ,might as well not put it off and get the description in...

The Vietnamese girl...

Approached this girl at the Starbucks outside Hikkake-bashi in Namba on Valentines Day (last Friday). Opened by asking how far it would take to get to an address from here, and started bullshiting from there. She didn't seem interested, so I eventually let it be. When she went off to go to work, we said our goodbyes and I asked if she had Facebook (again, I've got no paricular issue with FB, since I've gotten laid through it several times already.
"じゃ、電話番号でいい？/Well, is a phone number ok?" We exchange numbers. The way she's leaning into me seems like a good sign. I message her on Monday and we set a date for Wednesday. I again opt to take her to the Spanish bar out in Daito (a.k.a. bumfuck middle of nowhere), but lo and behold, there's no one there, so I tell her I've got some wine back at my place and suggest we go there later. ”うん” she nods. I take her to a coffee shop nearby since its fucking cold outside and I want to drink something warm. This was the same place I'd originally brought the girl from Kyoto. They're also closed though. The guy inside says loudly ”彼もうここに来たことある(笑)” / "He's already come by here, hehe!", pointing at me and chuckling (as said, I'd already stopped by that place with the girl from Kyoto mentioned below). "Shut the fuck up, you old son of a bitch!" I think to my self, grinning awkwardly."

We then walk back to my place, open a glass of wine as I show her photots of Beijing and Prague on my bed. She lets me put my arm around her, leans against me, but otherwise seems unreceptive to kissing at first. I think maybe I won't be getting anywhere with this one, until I finally decide to cup her face in my hand one last time...then BAM! She's sucking on my face, shoving her tongue down my throat and we're dryhumping on my bed as I begin to suck on her titties. Her clothes come off quickly and easily. I start fingering her, put the condom on...but she is SUPER FREAKING TIGHT! She says it hurts a bit, so I finger her some more, before going in a second time. I can't last for more than a few thrusts, which is bizarre, since I'd just had sex with the 26 year old J-girl four days ago, with no problem at all. "痛い/it hurts" she says again. "じゃ、もう行った”/Well, I already came," I say. I go on for another twenty minutes or so sucking on her titties and fingering her and wethumping naked on the sheets. Won't go down on her with that bush. After a while, she decides to go home. I accompany her to the station and...here I am now.

This years first flag was kind of a disappointment, though admittedly, she was a much better kisser than Japanese girls tend to be. Don't really expect her to call back. If she does I'll have a second girl in my rotation.


The Girl from Kyoto...

Met this girl on the bus coming back from the Kinkaku-ji in Kyoto. This was way back in early December. She sat next to me and we started chatting when I asked her how long it should take to get from there to Kyoto Station. After getting off, we walk around, and she follows me into the local Starbucks. Sipping our coffee outside we start holding hands. Try to get her into a karaoke joint, but she's too shy and doesn't go along with it. We walk around the station and sit down listening to this outdoor Christmas performance, she at least won't let go of my hand this time. After a while she makes an excuse to leave, and I take her email address.

Messaged her a few days to a week later, saying we should hang out next time I was in Kyoto. Her answer: "サルゴンと色々な話が出来て、楽しかったよ！また大阪にも遊びに行くね :）"

Messaged a few more times, but got no response. Scratched her off to a dead lead, but messaged her once more after New Years just for the lulz. On Jan 17th, I get a response, saying "あけましておめでとう。お久しぶりです。仕事が忙しくてなかなかメールできなくてごめんなさい。サルゴンは1月いつが空いてる？"

I respond and we set up a place to meet. I gave her the directions to the nearest station to my home and said there was a Spanish themed bar/restaurant close by we could go to.

Unfortunately, the place is still closed by the time she arrives, so I take her to a nearby coffee shop. She's extremely shy, and I already notice this one'll take some work. I tell her my room is about fifteen mintes on foot, and we can have a glass of wine and look at some of my old pictures from China and whatnot (which I've been talking about much of the time).

Back at my place, I turn the heat on pour two glasses of wine and pop open my laptop on my bed. We cuddle for a while, but she's extemely shy about being kissed. After a while, she loosens up a bit and we make out under the sheets. I try to undress her, but she only lets me take off her top, after which I start massaging her nipples a bit under her bra (she has a decent size for a J-girl). Can't get any farther than that.

After a while, she decides to head back. When she's put her sweater back on I go for one last kiss, which leads to the two of us making out again while kneeling on my bed. I gently guide her hand towards my groin and gesture for her to start rubbing my dick. She complies. I decide to test further and guide her hands further down my jeans, til she's got my dick in her hand, tugging lightly. I kind of have to show her how to do it, as she doesn't seem to know what she's doing. I lay down on the bed and gesture for her to give me a blowjob.

I say something along the lines of ”これもうしたことある？今は初めて? (Have you done this before? Is this your first time?)"

She answers with something like she's never done this before, but has seen it. For that she's actually pretty good at it. I feel like I'm about to cum so I motion for her to stop.

She suddenly starts staring off into space with this look of shock and horror in her eyes, like she's just recieved some Lovecraftian revelation about the nature of the cosmos that is so mindblowing, it would drive most humans mad. I'm kind of worried. ”大丈夫？You OK?" I ask. She just responds with this wimpering noise, like a kitten or a two year old. I repeat again "大丈夫?/You ok?" Just wimpers again. ”初めてだった？Was that your first time?" She nods and lets out another kind of kitten wimper. I'm really wondering if something is wrong. After a while I really feel bad for her, and I start trying to comfort her. She then places herself in front of me and lies in my lap, putting my arms around her waist. We go on to cuddling, making out, and looking googly into eachother's eyes for another hour or so.

"サルゴンはサルゴンセックスしたかった？”/Did you want to have sex?" She asks, as we lie back about a minute after she's blown me.
"Yeah," I think this is what I answered. Can't really remember what I said.
I think she then asked something along the lines of "それはセックスだった？/Was that sex?”
I can't remember what I answered to that.
"私が[...]、だから待ってくれてね/"I [something I can't remember], so wait for me a bit...-ne."
The evening went on and we continued cuddling, making out some more and staring googly-eyed at eachother. I rubbed and may have licked her nipples a bit and proceded to French kiss her while she gave me a handjob. Tried to see if I couldn't weasel in another blowjob but couldn't get anywhere with that. When I came all over her hand she nearly shat bricks. ”吃驚した！見たことない。”That really shocked/startled/surprised me! I've never seen that before." I noticed there was still a streak of pre-cum on her fuzzy pink sweater from when she'd given me a blowjob. She washed her hands off in my bathroom before we walked hand in hand back to the station together. Messaged her to see if she'd found her way home. She responded with こちらこそ、ありがとう。お休み。”

Walked away from the experience just feeling...bizarre. Didn't know what to think of it. From the ultra-childish kitten demeanor and the wimpering sounds she'd made had made me feel like a child-molester...even though she was 24 years old. Messaged her again a week or so later, but haven't gotten a response.

So did this count as a "notch" or not? Probably depends on what metric you're going by. I'm tempted to count it as one but...meh not really.

---

Right now the 26 year old is the only girl I'm seeing regularly now. We fucked last Sunday...again, she was loud as hell, and she tried to cover her mouth the second time we had sex that day, since my housemates were home on the second floor. Either way, I'm surprised how things have started to turn around this year.

Post: #452

Way to be. Try to make it up to Kyoto soon.

Post: #453

Right on man.

It would be useful to know what are you texting / saying, the forum might be able to provide better feedback.

Post: #454

Sargon , she wanted to be taken. You should have cave manned her. I've been in this same position. She was on the fence about you. You just needed to make up her mind for her.

She was waiting for you to make a move. But you kinda killed it with "初めてだった？”　and asking daijoubu?. Too many questions. Too much backtracking.

Even if it wasn't her first time seeing a dick, a japanese girl won't admit it and will play cute dumb shit with you to not look like a slut. Maybe she's fucked 20 guys but technically you are her first "gaijin" so she says its the "first time"

Trust me, she will let you know where the red line is.

Post: #455

(02-24-2014 10:26 AM)memcpy Wrote:  Sargon , she wanted to be taken. You should have cave manned her. I've been in this same position. She was waiting for you to make a move. But you kinda killed it with "初めてだった？”　and asking daijoubu?. Too many questions. Too much backtracking.

Even if it wasn't her first time seeing a dick, a japanese girl won't admit it and will play cute dumb shit with you to not look like a slut. Maybe she's fucked 20 guys but technically you are her first "gaijin" so she says its the "first time"

Trust me, she will let you know where the red line is.

Thought about that, too. I let the whole innocent schoolgirl look fool me. Got a blowjob, though, so I'm not really bothered by it

Actually, cavemanning was what got me to that far in the first place, could've persisted a bit more though. I'm scheduled to meet her again either this weekend or next week.

Post: #456

I hope you will forgive me for resurrecting this thread, but I just spent an enjoyable several hours reading through it. Sargon, I think it was really admirable for you to jump headfirst into the lifestyle in Osaka and keep at it with such persistence. If you'll permit me I will give my thoughts on how things might have worked out a little better. However, I have never spent any time in Osaka so my advice might be complete crap. Nevertheless, here goes:

I think you should have used more social group game from the get-go. The Japanese closely identify with their various groups, so if you are a member of their group, it gives you cred. I understand your desire to avoid ending up in a Melrose Place situation, but social groups are, based on my experience, one of the best places to find and hook up with quality J-girls. There are several ways to go about it.

One is to join an activity group that interests you. The Meetups site is a good place to start. I have been to a Spanish speaking party in Tokyo through this site and the girl attendees outnumbered the men. Also, your Japanese friends at the university or elsewhere could help you get hooked up with a group that only advertises in Japanese. Groups like hiking, running, cycling, cooking, salsa dancing, scuba diving, etc are great places to meet women you wouldn't otherwise meet. Another thing about it is even if you never find a girl through the group, you will still make many Japanese friends and have fun doing an activity with them you really enjoy.

Another way is to explore around and find at least one hangout bar at each of the small train stations around your area. About one or two nights a week hang out at one of the bars. To save money, buy a bottle of liquor at each place. They will put your name on it and you can drink from it each time you go. You will only get a "snack" or "ice" charge each time you go of about 500 yen in addition to whatever the bottle cost when you purchased it. Make friends with the bartender and he or she will stand there and talk to you in Japanese for hours, greatly improving your Japanese skills. The bartenders at those kinds of places think it's their job to help you relax and enjoy yourself. The bartenders you befriend will give you social proof with the locals, both women and men. I'm talking a normal bar, not a hostess bar. Avoid hostess bars. As you spend time at these bars, you will, of course, start to make friends with the regulars, both men and women, who come there. After they observe you for awhile they will start to invite you to do things with them or tell you about events or activities that you wouldn't otherwise be aware of. The bars themselves sometimes organize parties or sightseeing trips for their regulars. Eventually, perhaps after a couple of months, the women, both married and single, you meet through these avenues will start to make themselves available to you. At least, that has been my experience.

As for clubs, I've noticed that Japanese women often like to observe someone for awhile before they decide to be attracted or not. So, when I go to a club, I will usually not try to pick-up on any women for at least an hour. Instead, I will project an extremely gregarious attitude. I will dance energetically by myself for awhile with a big, shit-eating grin on my face. I will ignore any attempts by women to make eye contact with me. When I buy a drink, I will walk around "cheersing" everyone, men and women both, throughout the entire place. A little later I will start to tease some of the dancing women by imitating their dance moves in an exaggerated way while smirking at their looks of dismay and confusion. If a girl grabs me and starts grinding, I will go along with it for about 30 seconds, then I will grin at her like she's a silly rabbit, turn my back, and go dance on the other side of the floor. If you do this, you will notice a lot of the women will be watching you with blank expressions on their face, but if they're watching you it means they are starting to get interested. After awhile, start looking for ways to accidentally start interacting with some of the women who are paying attention to you or who somehow have found a reason to stand near you. Be cool and slightly aloof but playfully tease them like Skotch suggested. Push & pull/cat-string I have found to work well with Japanese women.

In each entertainment area, there should be at least one, if not more, cheap, divey bars that stay open all night. These are often located in the basement floors of the buildings in the area. When bar hostesses get off work around 2 or 3 a.m., they often go to these bars to wait for the first train. It's a good place to hit on them as they are often drunk and horny after drinking and flirting with their club customers all night.

In every entertainment area scout around and find office buildings that have an enclosed stairwell that is open at the bottom to the outside. There should be many. Then, if the love hotels are full, such as happened to you on one occasion, you can just take her to the stairwell and have your way. I did that before.

Also, I think you should have used more dating forums. I don't know if Metropolis has an Osaka edition, but if it does you could have placed a personals ad. Also there is OKCJapan, Mixi, and a couple others. Most of the women who respond to those are 6s and 7s in their late 20s and 30s and looking for a husband. But, you can still get some action out of it plus get experience learning how to talk to Japanese women.

Finally, perhaps you could have gotten a part-time job teaching German at a language school. That would have provided you some extra income and another way to meet women you wouldn't otherwise meet.

One other thing, I thought most Japanese universities' social activity groups arrange go-cons with groups from other universities. Doesn't your school do that?

By the way, the housewife you were with who kept protesting that she had small breasts when you tried to take her bra off? After you said "daijobu" the first time and she kept protesting you should have said "Urusai" in a firm voice and yanked her bra off without further ado. We're not kidding when we say the girls here like to be dominated.

Anyway, it was really impressive how you got out there and did your best to make it work instead of sitting around in your dorm room.

Post: #457

Thanks Carlos for your take, I'll definitely use it when I go back to Japan.

If you don't mind me asking, which city did you figure all this out from?

Post: #458

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Post: #459

Carlos, thank you for dropping that knowledge. I just moved here from the U.S. I will definitely use this information.

Post: #460

(04-03-2014 08:49 PM)kotae Wrote:  Thanks Carlos for your take, I'll definitely use it when I go back to Japan.

If you don't mind me asking, which city did you figure all this out from?

Tokyo.

I understand that social group game has its downsides. During my years in Japan, however, I've never had a girl from one of my social groups or responding to a personal ad flake on a date. Not once.

By the way, I will repeat that Sargon's efforts to get out there and meet women were really admirable. He didn't allow slow results to discourage him and he kept at it and had some great experiences. Whatever you do, just make sure you do like him and get out there and take some chances to meet people.

Post: #461

This thread really makes a dude homesick.

Quote:Another way is to explore around and find at least one hangout bar at each of the small train stations around your area. About one or two nights a week hang out at one of the bars. To save money, buy a bottle of liquor at each place. They will put your name on it and you can drink from it each time you go. You will only get a "snack" or "ice" charge each time you go of about 500 yen in addition to whatever the bottle cost when you purchased it. Make friends with the bartender and he or she will stand there and talk to you in Japanese for hours, greatly improving your Japanese skills. The bartenders at those kinds of places think it's their job to help you relax and enjoy yourself. The bartenders you befriend will give you social proof with the locals, both women and men. I'm talking a normal bar, not a hostess bar. Avoid hostess bars. As you spend time at these bars, you will, of course, start to make friends with the regulars, both men and women, who come there. After they observe you for awhile they will start to invite you to do things with them or tell you about events or activities that you wouldn't otherwise be aware of. The bars themselves sometimes organize parties or sightseeing trips for their regulars. Eventually, perhaps after a couple of months, the women, both married and single, you meet through these avenues will start to make themselves available to you. At least, that has been my experience.

This advice from carlos is golden. This is how I learned Japanese and game in Japan. I had probably 5-6 different spots where I knew everyone and everyone knew me. For better or for worse, but generally it always helped.

Post: #462

This thread was inspirational as fuck while I was in Japan. And it will be again when I return there.

Bang Osaka will live on.

Post: #463

I'm a new user and found this thread. I've been in Osaka for a month. My first time here. I've lived in Tokyo many times.

My Japanese doesn't extend beyond basic introductions. I found street cold approach to be a waste of time. I'm sure it can work but with decent ass at all the international parties seems silly.

Esp now that school is out. Some ripe ass just begging to get pounded! I picked up some hot college girls last August in Tokyo at intl parties. They pursued me like "hey it's my month to get my perfect ass destroyed by you".

I get several line IDs per night at the party. I've averaged 2-3 bangs/week since I've been here. My MLTR from Tokyo also came a few weekends. They've mostly been 7-9 range bangs. My one weekday rotation girl is a 6-7 but speaks fluent english and is an absolute sweetheart and pleasure to be with. She's also anorexic skinny and petite. I feel like a linebacker crushing that pussy!

Decided to extend my visit. I've been scheduling girls a week or two out. Already have some past my departure date that are to good to pass up. I resisted the scheduling at first but it's really the only way to get the hotter girls.

At first I was using nearby Shin-Sekai as date venue but the 15 min walk to my place was too long. I found it's not needed. They'd pester me where are we going and the vibe would drop off a cliff. I noticed the same problem if you walk even a minute south of Dotonbori from Namba: "Where are we going?" Crickets "Blah blah" crickets chirp. OK it's not that bad. I pulled girls back to my five floor walk up all the while insisting "No it's a bar". But again not necessary if you set it up right in advance.

I'm centrally located. They never break the date and show up at my exit as directed. Walk them straight back to my place for language exchange which I quickly escalate to sex. Make their pussies squirt. One 8-9 girl even had her beaver newly waxed for me. A first in Japan.

Any girl who has a life is quite busy. They generally have a 3 hour fuck window once a week. If you're the best option it's easy to fill it. Occasionally you may have to wait an extra week if she's got school, going home, etc. Just be cool and schedule. She will not break the date unless she senses you're a player fucking lots of girls. I had that happen a few times but was able to puppy dog text them into showing up to get smashed. They just needed some push pull comfort.

It's also very important to understand their logistics. These girls live at home. They can't miss their last train esp on a weeknight. You need to solve this before she sets foot in front of you. Either you're paying for a hotel or you meet her in your neighborhood. If she knowingly agrees to meet you where you live IT IS ON. You still need to create plausible deniability. So it's drinks, language exchange, eating caramels, whatever.

You're not taking these girls out to do stuff. U may indicate that's a possibility but common...she's probably going to where high heels and be ready for a fucking. They have a three hour window. You should be fucking them asap. Most of my bangs barely had time for round two before they had to leave for work, home, dinner with friends, etc.

If she asks YOU LIVE ALONE. When she realizes it's a shitty gaijin sharehouse it's too late. She's inside. Say everyone is on vacation. Even if they are clearly home and bumping around. You get her in your room with music playing ASAP.

SNL is generally lower quality and bc I don't speak Japanese I'm really limited in my prospects. It'd much easier if I payed for love hotels or cabs but thats not in my budget. If you're willing to do that, pay for drinks, club hop, should be no problem SNLing 8-10s here. Just be prepared to stay out in smokey environments and deal with hot girls being attached at the hip to a less hot friend you'll need to wear down.

The best clubs are OWL in Umeda and Sam & Dave or Giraffe in Namba. Umeda is a more classy with better quality but less english and slightly older though I got an 18 year old there so...

I don't like pulling from the parties. They tire me out and I don't pay for cabs. But one fun thing to do is get nasty with a hot fucking makeout in isolation then let her play good girl. I then see how dirty the good girl will agree to be by running scenarios by her. They usually agree to a hotel. One girl even brought it up over going to my place because she is "loud", lol.

I only do this with the 7s I'm not willing to schedule. Or other who become "readers" (see my texts but dont respond within a few days). I then play a push pull text game with them where I claim to be ignorant of Japanese dating customs. I even blame my actions on fictitious Japanese men at the party who gave me bad advice. LOL. It's fun and the only way I've discovered to get Jgirls sexting (or at least texting about sex and relationships).

The point of this is to string along these girls for a SNL booty call. I don't like double scheduling Jgirls bc they rarely cancel. And I respect that a lot of them really do have one or two slots open for sex. Granted they could easily cancel dinner, shopping, etc. But remember you are a foreign stranger she's taking a chance on.

This lack of trust is why she didn't SNL you to begin with. It's fun to have one or two of these girls you can text with everyday whenever you have a free minute. Drop shit on her like "You don't like me" or "I can't tell if you really like me" or "I'm so lonely" or "I feel so alone in this country". I pretty much run through the same convo everyday and see if she'll agree to a spontaneous meet. Eventually she'll bang me according to my open window, not hers.

My only successful cold approach was with a legit 10 who I picked up at an observatory and instadated. She was hung up on my departure date and made it clear she wouldn't SNL. I maybe could have gotten her if she didn't have work early and I was not so tired myself. Every other ten I cold approach doesn't speak English, lives in another pref, is not single, or a hooker. No real tens go to the parties or clubs.

I've seen some that come close though. And there are really hot women walking around and on trains. But everytime I game them other groups of women stop and stare. They watch wild eyed and even giggle. I'm a tall good looking white guy and obvious tourist. Still annoying and I haven't played around with it enough to make the situation lean more in my favor. Being funny about it is probably the key but usually I'm in transit myself and not looking for anything more than quickly passing off my card. I've found real 10s NEVER give out their line ID so I stopped asking.

Hot as fuck and humid in summer. Kansai has some great summer festivals though which is what I came for. Any peeps in the area hit me up. I'm traveler and looking to live in other cities around the world.

Post: #464

Question: how does Osaka compare to tokyo for gaming girls? Is it better to setup in namba as ive heard or close to a university?