Post: #51

deep diver, you never lied

Post: #52

(03-13-2013 12:54 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 11:47 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  How old are most you guys here who are using these pills? Unless you're 45+ it's kinda disturbing that young guys would have erectile dysfunction.

Do you look at a lot of porn? According to this site, a lot of young men are having a difficult time getting hard because of the damage years of porn watching has done.

I've been saying this but a lot of people don't want to hear it. There is no reason that me in my 20s should be dealing with performance issues when I could be a rock and bang forever growing up.

As G implied, it's not about needing them when you're younger, think of them as a rec drug. Fun for when you really wanna put on a show, have multiple girls in a short span, if you're partying really hard (drinking heavy etc) and junior just isn't playing at peak performance, you can still go but it's nowhere near A game material so you pop a cialis go all weekend and no issues. There are just occasions that it can add to the fun. When you're young they're for infrequent use, if you can't rock without them you should probably be looking to see a doc and seeing if there's an issue with low test or something else.

Post: #53

...or you guys could listen to my first post and not waste more money on dick pills and get the same effect from something cheaper and way more natural.



Tribulus is $20 for 180 pills and ZMA is just over $20 for 180 pills. I would buy a small bottle of one of these for under $10 before I tried Viagra etc. ZMA also gives you massive cumshots and puts you to sleep AND gives you very vivid dreams. Tribulus makes your dick tingly and more sensitive for a lot of people. Both give raging hard ons.

G can ban me from these boards if one of you guys try these and it doesn't work.

Post: #54

(03-13-2013 05:40 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  ...or you guys could listen to my first post and not waste more money on dick pills and get the same effect from something cheaper and way more natural.



Tribulus is $20 for 180 pills and ZMA is just over $20 for 180 pills. I would buy a small bottle of one of these for under $10 before I tried Viagra etc. ZMA also gives you massive cumshots and puts you to sleep AND gives you very vivid dreams. Tribulus makes your dick tingly and more sensitive for a lot of people. Both give raging hard ons.

G can ban me from these boards if one of you guys try these and it doesn't work.

Brand specific? Where do you buy them from? Which online store?

Post: #55

Google. Every store is within the margin of 10% of each other. Some sites have specials on and some don't if you get a couple things etc. I trust NOW brands for everything, they don't use garbage ingredients and are usually the best priced. Some companies have better ingredients in certain products (AOR musclefarm universal cellucor twinlab etc etc) but the cost goes up. Honestly as long as you stay away from commercial stores products like GNC you will be ok. Some GNC products are good btw but some are bad and I have to do 1+ hour of research before I ever buy something from a non online store.

Post: #56

(03-13-2013 05:40 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  ...or you guys could listen to my first post and not waste more money on dick pills and get the same effect from something cheaper and way more natural.

bullshit.

Tribulus hasn't conclusively ever delivered on it's lofty claims about improving sexual function, the studies not founded by a maker all seem to find the product at best lacking. Zma for a person who gets enough zinc in their diet isn't doing anything out of the ordinary but if you're zinc deficient it can be a useful product but it is in no way guarantees to improve your erections but it can, if you're zinc deficient. For the guy who has real ED issues, these supps won't do jack shit. For the guy who is a rec user who wants to party hard the odd weekend and wants to make sure juniors ready when he is, a supplement isn't providing that back up. For the guy who just wants to improve function overall, not be a porn star for a night, just wants to fuck like he fucked in his 20s, feels like it's slipping as he ages, he's the guy who could try the supps to see if they help. Supps have their place as do ED drugs.

Post: #57

(03-13-2013 05:40 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  ...or you guys could listen to my first post and not waste more money on dick pills and get the same effect from something cheaper and way more natural.



Tribulus is $20 for 180 pills and ZMA is just over $20 for 180 pills. I would buy a small bottle of one of these for under $10 before I tried Viagra etc. ZMA also gives you massive cumshots and puts you to sleep AND gives you very vivid dreams. Tribulus makes your dick tingly and more sensitive for a lot of people. Both give raging hard ons.

G can ban me from these boards if one of you guys try these and it doesn't work.

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Post: #58

(03-13-2013 06:14 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  bullshit.

Tribulus hasn't conclusively ever delivered on it's lofty claims about improving sexual function, the studies not founded by a maker all seem to find the product at best lacking. Zma for a person who gets enough zinc in their diet isn't doing anything out of the ordinary but if you're zinc deficient it can be a useful product but it is in no way guarantees to improve your erections but it can, if you're zinc deficient. For the guy who has real ED issues, these supps won't do jack shit. For the guy who is a rec user who wants to party hard the odd weekend and wants to make sure juniors ready when he is, a supplement isn't providing that back up. For the guy who just wants to improve function overall, not be a porn star for a night, just wants to fuck like he fucked in his 20s, feels like it's slipping as he ages, he's the guy who could try the supps to see if they help. Supps have their place as do ED drugs.

I do not disagree with any of this but it is hard to get enough zinc in your diet even with a multi so more often then not ZMA is going to help someone. Trib works for a lot of people but from all the reviews I read it seems like 1 in 3 it doesn't do much but a lot more people voice complaints rather then positive opinions. Ive tried ZMA/trib/Viagra/Cialis.

A guy with real ED issues should see a doctor instead of buying expensive pills online. Just because your dick isn't getting hard doesn't mean you have an ED issue. If you are deficient in the problems I listed in my first post (low on saturated fats, zinc etc) then Viagra type drugs may not work and you are spending a lot more.

Post: #59

(03-13-2013 06:32 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  I do not disagree with any of this but it is hard to get enough zinc in your diet even with a multi so more often then not ZMA is going to help someone. Trib works for a lot of people but from all the reviews I read it seems like 1 in 3 it doesn't do much but a lot more people voice complaints rather then positive opinions. Ive tried ZMA/trib/Viagra/Cialis.

A guy with real ED issues should see a doctor instead of buying expensive pills online. Just because your dick isn't getting hard doesn't mean you have an ED issue. If you are deficient in the problems I listed in my first post (low on saturated fats, zinc etc) then Viagra type drugs may not work.

Jaylow, how old are you and how quick does it take you to reload on a 5 in one night?

Post: #60

(03-13-2013 05:40 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  ...or you guys could listen to my first post and not waste more money on dick pills and get the same effect from something cheaper and way more natural.



Tribulus is $20 for 180 pills and ZMA is just over $20 for 180 pills. I would buy a small bottle of one of these for under $10 before I tried Viagra etc. ZMA also gives you massive cumshots and puts you to sleep AND gives you very vivid dreams. Tribulus makes your dick tingly and more sensitive for a lot of people. Both give raging hard ons.

G can ban me from these boards if one of you guys try these and it doesn't work.

Just so I'm clear, are you saying that you had erection problems which were completely fixed by taking by ZMA and Tribulus...or are you saying that you heard that ZMA and Tribulus are very effective...or are you saying that you tried Viagra and/or Cialis and the ZMA and Tribulus were much more effective than Viagra and Cialis?

Post: #61

Viagra and Cialis did not work for me for the reasons I listed. I was not getting enough of the appropriate vitamins and minerals. I am not going to get into specifics because that would just be weird.

I started taking a multi+extra zinc/copper+33% of my daily fats as saturated (coconut oil) all at once so maybe some of these helped more then others but I get hard like I did when I was 15... as in raging instant 100% hard boners that don't go slightly soft. My first load of the day is probably half of a Peter North shot. I am 29 now. Tribulus made me cum a lot faster before I got used to it because of the extra sensitivity which feels amazing btw. (if you use it too many days in a row it loses this effect so I would cycle it) and I can go again after a 10 min break.

Quote:Just so I'm clear, are you saying that you had erection problems which were completely fixed by taking by ZMA and Tribulus...or are you saying that you heard that ZMA and Tribulus are very effective...or are you saying that you tried Viagra and Cialis and the ZMA and Tribulus were much more effective than Viagra and Cialis?

I am warning people that Viagra type drugs may not work for them before shelling out a lot of dough. Bolded is the most accurate statement for me.

Post: #62

(03-13-2013 06:32 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 06:14 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  bullshit.

Tribulus hasn't conclusively ever delivered on it's lofty claims about improving sexual function, the studies not founded by a maker all seem to find the product at best lacking. Zma for a person who gets enough zinc in their diet isn't doing anything out of the ordinary but if you're zinc deficient it can be a useful product but it is in no way guarantees to improve your erections but it can, if you're zinc deficient. For the guy who has real ED issues, these supps won't do jack shit. For the guy who is a rec user who wants to party hard the odd weekend and wants to make sure juniors ready when he is, a supplement isn't providing that back up. For the guy who just wants to improve function overall, not be a porn star for a night, just wants to fuck like he fucked in his 20s, feels like it's slipping as he ages, he's the guy who could try the supps to see if they help. Supps have their place as do ED drugs.

I do not disagree with any of this but it is hard to get enough zinc in your diet even with a multi so more often then not ZMA is going to help someone. Trib works for a lot of people but from all the reviews I read it seems like 1 in 3 it doesn't do much but a lot more people voice complaints rather then positive opinions. Ive tried ZMA/trib/Viagra/Cialis.

A guy with real ED issues should see a doctor instead of buying expensive pills online. Just because your dick isn't getting hard doesn't mean you have an ED issue. If you are deficient in the problems I listed in my first post (low on saturated fats, zinc etc) then Viagra type drugs may not work and you are spending a lot more.

We're not really disagreeing here...I don't advocate self medicating, if you have legit ED issues then see a doc, don't start ordering meds...if you've got a script and these are cheaper then knock yourself out...if you're of the mind you like to party with these once in a while go ahead...but for daily performance don't go with ED drugs, they're for serious probs and the occasional weekend when you wanna channel your inner ron jeremy not regular frequent use if you have normal function, they shouldn't be relied on by healthy individuals because they are so much stronger than a healthy individual needs. It's the you can get the same effects comment that I disagreed with, comparing an ed pill and a supp is like comparing flintstone vitamins and growth hormone...

Post: #63

(03-13-2013 07:07 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  We're not really disagreeing here...I don't advocate self medicating, if you have legit ED issues then see a doc, don't start ordering meds...

But what is a doctor going to do?

Probably prescribe you these meds right?

Post: #64

(03-13-2013 07:09 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 07:07 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  We're not really disagreeing here...I don't advocate self medicating, if you have legit ED issues then see a doc, don't start ordering meds...

But what is a doctor going to do?

Probably prescribe you these meds right?

Not necessarily, he can diagnose what the reasoning is behind the problem. If it's stress related or mental, you'd probably get a script but it could be something more severe or even as minor as low test and be put on trt where you wouldn't need to use these drugs. Causes can range so better to rule out that there's nothing really wrong going on.

Post: #65

(03-13-2013 07:07 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  We're not really disagreeing here...I don't advocate self medicating, if you have legit ED issues then see a doc, don't start ordering meds...if you've got a script and these are cheaper then knock yourself out...if you're of the mind you like to party with these once in a while go ahead...but for daily performance don't go with ED drugs, they're for serious probs and the occasional weekend when you wanna channel your inner ron jeremy not regular frequent use if you have normal function, they shouldn't be relied on by healthy individuals because they are so much stronger than a healthy individual needs. It's the you can get the same effects comment that I disagreed with, comparing an ed pill and a supp is like comparing flintstone vitamins and growth hormone...

Right. But saying Viagra type drugs are "too strong" or will bring out your "inner Ron Jeremy" is inaccurate wording because you can spend lots of dough and not see any results. Its not like popping one of these guarantees it will do anything. First thing anyone should be doing with hard on problems is either multi V+extra zinc or going to see a doctor. If you are in America you will probably instantly be prescribed Viagra anyway lol...

If I took zma/trib/multi/sat fats AND a cialis I would see no difference except a lighter wallet. There is no way my dick could get any harder.

Last thing I am going to add before I go back to work. If you do get the extra sensitivity effect that some get from trib you can feel sex WHILE using a condom. Its not as good, you can't feel it as if you were raw but I can actually feel SOMETHING which is worth its weight in gold.

Post: #66

(03-13-2013 07:19 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 07:07 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  We're not really disagreeing here...I don't advocate self medicating, if you have legit ED issues then see a doc, don't start ordering meds...if you've got a script and these are cheaper then knock yourself out...if you're of the mind you like to party with these once in a while go ahead...but for daily performance don't go with ED drugs, they're for serious probs and the occasional weekend when you wanna channel your inner ron jeremy not regular frequent use if you have normal function, they shouldn't be relied on by healthy individuals because they are so much stronger than a healthy individual needs. It's the you can get the same effects comment that I disagreed with, comparing an ed pill and a supp is like comparing flintstone vitamins and growth hormone...

Right. But saying Viagra type drugs are "too strong" or will bring out your "inner Ron Jeremy" is inaccurate wording because you can spend lots of dough and not see any results. Its not like popping one of these guarantees it will do anything. First thing anyone should be doing with hard on problems is either multi V+extra zinc or going to see a doctor. If you are in America you will probably instantly be prescribed Viagra anyway lol...

If I took zma/trib/multi/sat fats AND a cialis I would see no difference except a lighter wallet. There is no way my dick could get any harder.

If you're a normal functioning male it's not too strong or inaccurate. You would be the exception not the norm amongst rec ED pill users...I havent heard anyone say they get harder on their own than they have on ED drugs, you should patent your special blend of supps and fats concoction and go h2h with viagra. If you're not functioning normally then it is inaccurate but if youre not functioning normally you should be seeing a doc. For the people I'm talking about, otherwise healthy males with normal sexual function, it is a near guarantee, as close as you can get anyway knowing that there are always going to be a small percentage of non responders.

Post: #67

chronic ED has a strong link to heart disease or low test., so yes consulting a doctor if it's recurring i.e. when you masturbate, is necessary in order to do blood tests.

Post: #68

(03-13-2013 11:20 PM)metalhaze Wrote:  chronic ED has a strong link to heart disease or low test., so yes consulting a doctor if it's recurring i.e. when you masturbate, is necessary in order to do blood tests.

This is why a brisk walk for an hour a day can do wonders for erections. It's all about nitric oxide. Green and black tea are also great vasodilators that prevent heart disease which also promotes good blood flow and erections. It's all about blood flow. This is why Beet root juice is also great for erections. Healthy blow flow lifestyle/diet is key.

I try to eat a plant based diet along with supplements that promote blood flow. L arginine and L citrulline are great for nitric oxide too.

Post: #69

nitric oxide, is that similar to the stuff in Jack3D?

Post: #70

Yup. Same stuff. But some report stim dick from pre workouts like that. That's why I prefer the bulk powder alone.

Good vasodilators/erection boosting foods/supplements

1. Raw spinach
2. Walnuts 4-8 a day
3. Black tea/ green tea
4. Raw cacao
5. Garlic
6. Pomegranate juice
7. Beet juice
8. Brown rice
9. Arginine
9. Citrulline
10. Pycnogenol
11. Grapes
12. Ginseng
13. Aerobic activity

Post: #71

I picked up a few pack of these "dick pills" in thailand. Viagara and Cialis. Wasn't expensive- around 5 dolllars/box. About 1 dollar/pill.

Still have no need for it, but wtf its a good shit and giggles story.

Im guessing that if you search around online, you can find similar prices.

PS- these make hysterical b-day presents. I gave my best friend here a pack of viagara and a nice bottle of Russian vodka. He said it was his best and funniest present ever.

Post: #72

(03-13-2013 07:09 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 07:07 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  We're not really disagreeing here...I don't advocate self medicating, if you have legit ED issues then see a doc, don't start ordering meds...

But what is a doctor going to do?

Probably prescribe you these meds right?

Standard Doc routine:

1. a Doc will take your BP and Temp and see if you have high blood pressure (Indicator One)

2. He will take a blood sample and check for Lipids (HDL LDL good and bad Cholesterol) and blood sugar typically asking you to skip a meal first - if blood sugar too high will tell you have Type II Indicator #2

3. He will test the size and shape of your prostate with the old finger test - Prostate normal yes indicator 3 - No will do PSA blood test to screen for Prostate Cancer.

4. Will manually test testicles for any abnormalities/cancer lumps. Normal then yes indicator #4

5. He will ask if you are involved in any high risks behaviour - Sex with men or Drugs - NO - indicator #5

6. He will ask how you are getting it up and how long you are able to maintain an erection and in your opinion if you would like to try a trial sample pack (3 pills) of V, L or C.

7. If the V L or C works Doc asks which you like best and writes you a scrip.

8. He will ask your age - 40+ pretty much an automatic ok for a scrip due to male physiology.

Hint most on line pharms good with your last scrip number off your bottle and Dr. who prescribed. Then GTB and Game On.

The adverse effects on young healthy males are basically non existent - Big Pharm and Docs are worried about guys taking cardio nitro pills or high risk HIV positive types where the side effects are most prevalent.

Oh yeah they will tell you if you are rock hard for more than 4 hours go to the emergency room for treatment to counteract it - most guys just call up and work their rotation and say who is Mr. Wham Bam now Beez?

Good way to see if the Beez in rotation were just faking it or really are frigid stealth fister sisters. Just sayin.

Post: #73

I tried getting ahold of that clearskypharmacy website about my order that I placed and they charged my credit card but never sent me any sort of confirmation email that they received my order.

I'm wondering if I should cancel the charge now on my credit card or wait 10-16 days to see if the order actually shows up or not???????

Post: #74

We have a viagra thread here too with reviews of generic pills.
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So what's the best site to order some pills? I ordered the ED trial pack from here and none of them work! They get me rock hard but I bust within 15-20 minutes. I want something that's gonna keep me hard for at least an hour.
https://mysecuretabs.com/index.html

Post: #75

ED pills aren't going to make you last longer. Should shorten the refractory period though. 15 minutes is enough to fuck the shit out of a lizard anyway.