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Quote:I think this is it.

That is the story but when he told it to me it started with him seeing VH open for Nugent and ended with "Diamond" David Lee Roth making up all the stats for that night's concert at the art gallery.

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Love his story about Iggy pop.

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I can't stand Rollins. He is the worst Black Flag singer. I also hate the DC hardcore scene in general (Bad Brains excluded). All you need to know about Rollins you can figure out by reading this blog post he made about the Steubenville rape case.

Henry Rollins Wrote:It is obvious that the two offenders saw the victim as some one that could be treated as a thing. This is not about sex, it is about power and control. I guess that is what I am getting at. Sex was probably not the hardest thing for the two to get, so that wasn’t the objective. When you hear the jokes being made during the crime, it is the purest contempt.

So, how do you fix that? I’m just shooting rubber bands at the night sky but here are a few ideas: Put women’s studies in high school the curriculum from war heroes to politicians, writers, speakers, activists, revolutionaries and let young people understand that women have been kicking ass in high threat conditions for ages and they are worthy of respect.

Total sex ed in school. Learn how it all works. Learn what the definition of statutory rape is and that it is rape, that date rape is rape, that rape is rape.

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Quote:I also hate the DC hardcore scene in general (Bad Brains excluded).

Even Fugazi? I think Fugazi is one of the greatest bands of all time. The Bad Brains are fucking awesome too, absolutely one of the best live bands in history.

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I respect Ian McKaye, I'm just not into his music that much (there is some Minor Threat I like though). I've always been more into SoCal hardcore more. The DC scene was/is too militant for my liking. Blind to their own fascism.


Edit: The song is completely accurate for my post.

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I know Henry Rollins is admired by many here. He's known to be quite liberal on social issues and there have been questions about whether he's a male feminist. His reaction to the Steubenville rape case shows that he is without doubt a feminist.


http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound...nville.php

Quote:It's a situation where you would like to be able to point a finger and say, that's the reason and be done. You have to be careful when you do this because it's easy to miss.

I think to a great degree, we humans still divide ourselves into two species, even though we are monotypic. There are males and females. We see them as different and not equal. Things get better when women get more equality. That is a bit obvious, but I think it leads to better results up the road. If it's a man's world, as they say, then men, your world is a poorly run carnage fest.


It is obvious that the two offenders saw the victim as someone that could be treated as a thing. This is not about sex; it is about power and control. I guess that is what I am getting at. Sex was probably not the hardest thing for the two to get, so that wasn't the objective. When you hear the jokes being made during the crime, it is the purest form of contempt.

So, how do you fix that? I'm just shooting rubber bands at the night sky but here are a few ideas: Put women's studies in high school the curriculum --from war heroes to politicians to writers, speakers, activists, and revolutionaries-- and let young people understand that women have been kicking ass in high threat conditions for ages and that they are worthy of respect.

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I've always wondered if he was gay.

Trying searching the net for "groupie stories with henry rollins" NONE!!! Try looking for a pic with him and a date. NONE!!!!!

Maybe he's asexual.

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(03-27-2013 07:46 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  I've always wondered if he was gay.

Trying searching the net for "groupie stories with henry rollins" NONE!!! Try looking for a pic with him and a date. NONE!!!!!

Maybe he's asexual.

One of the stranger things in the straightedge scene is the aversion to sex. They think it makes them morally superior, just like everything else they do. That's not to say that straightedge kids don't fuck. This is only a small subgroup.

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henry rollins comes off as morally superior most of the time.

gimme some misfits lyrics about jackie o slurping glenn danzig's cum from her palm. hahahahaha

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(03-27-2013 07:46 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  I've always wondered if he was gay.

Me too. Just a gut feeling.

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I found this interview with him on Howard Stern. I didn't listen to the whole thing but he says his mom's boyfriend(s) did something to him when he was younger (molest), does basic workout things that we talk about (squats, deadlifts, using a bench, push ups), acts kind of weird when Howard asks about having kids and starting a family, and says he could never hurt a woman or be rough in bed. I think either he's bi or just out there and doesn't obsess over pussy like most of us.

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I wonder what would happen if I clicked on all of those links?

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(03-27-2013 07:52 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 07:46 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  I've always wondered if he was gay.

Trying searching the net for "groupie stories with henry rollins" NONE!!! Try looking for a pic with him and a date. NONE!!!!!

Maybe he's asexual.

One of the stranger things in the straightedge scene is the aversion to sex. They think it makes them morally superior, just like everything else they do. That's not to say that straightedge kids don't fuck. This is only a small subgroup.

The early DC straight edge scene saw itself as a counter-culture movement, like the hippies were in the 60's. You have to put it into context, this was the 1980's and the end of the disco era. They were trying to revolt and say fuck you to all of that, and what they saw as modern society. In a way it was men going their own way.

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(03-10-2013 06:47 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Nice. I'm actually surprised to hear him talk like that because these days he seems really into all these liberal causes like gay rights and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if he's now a male feminist too since virtually all militant pro-gay people are feminists as well.

Was my thought as well - I've been to a couple of his spoken word shows and was surprised how far to the left he was.

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(03-22-2013 03:35 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I know Henry Rollins is admired by many here. He's known to be quite liberal on social issues and there have been questions about whether he's a male feminist. His reaction to the Steubenville rape case shows that he is without doubt a feminist.


http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound...nville.php

Quote:So, how do you fix that? I'm just shooting rubber bands at the night sky but here are a few ideas: Put women's studies in high school the curriculum

Ugh. I'm sure feminists would be elated if they could start indoctrinating boys with the Women Studies crap before they got to college. I'm sure in their dream future all 12 years of public education curriculum would have mandatory Women's Studies classes where all the boys could be sternly lectured about their evil male privilege and how oppressive any form of male sexuality is.

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Yeah, never thought he was that cool. I've known he was a feminist for years. He's an awful lyricist too. But he did write a nice little poem about weightlifting once...

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Regardless Henry is pretty versed on social issues and is pretty damn intelligent.

Not sure if he's gay but I'm pretty sure he's on a MGTOW kind of thing.

Loved Black Flag (and it's many singers). Punk's dead, move on.

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I first encountered Rollins in university in the mid to late nineties. I never cared for his music much, but his spoken word was like nothing I'd ever heard before. His spoken word then had a really crazy edge to it. It was all mad stories from his fucked up childhood and early adulthood -- working in a pet store, hanging out with homeless dudes, military school, living in someone's tool shed, dealing with cops, getting ripped off on in the early days of touring -- it was mad, really raw stuff, all about adversity and attempts to claim and define masculinity and not always succeeding.

Likewise, most of his stories about rock and roll were awesome. That Iggy story is fucking awesome. Heard him tell that one before.

Then I saw some of his spoken word shows, must have been turn of the century or so. Something had changed. The real edge was gone. It was like he was going for the easy laughs talking about how Brittney Spears should be kidnapped and killed. His recorded spoken word and television show afterwards was more of the same. Complaining about George Bush and Ann Coulter, about the War on Terror and how Muslim nations are perceived in the West, or stupid stuff like complaining about how much airports suck. Even when I agreed with him, it just seemed like he was constantly going for the low hanging fruit. There was nothing edgy about him anymore.

It doesn't surprise me at all that he's pro-feminist at all.

These days, Rollins has lost absolutely any relevancy for me. He's like an old lion that's been dethroned from head of the pride, only this has been self-inflicted to a large extent. I wonder why that is. You'd think a guy hanging out in the rock n roll industry would be surrounded by insane, over the top masculinity on a daily basis -- guys doing cool stuff, guys doing funny stuff, guys doing stupid stuff, but all of them completely unapologetic about being themselves regardless. Has he outgrown it, or has rock n roll become a sad shadow of its former self, neutered along with mainstream masculinity? When you hear stories about the rock n roll musicians from the 70s and 80s, its mad what they got up to. No one seems to do that anymore.

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Henry Rollins is an intense and charismatic speaker, but it doesn't mean his views are really worth a damn, he just says them with conviction.

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I just listened to Ari Shaffir interviewing Rollins.

For those smarter than me out there, specifically in the area of philosophy...Rollins is the purest form of an empiricist, correct? Everything he talks about is having to experience something. He talks as if the U.S. is more dangerous than most other places in the world (of course he wouldn't make that statement, he just talks 'as if' it were true). He bases his entire worldview on the things he's seen and the people he has met.

It makes sense I guess. I actually really appreciate his viewpoint, and it's why he's entertaining. And I think that's his thing, and he's good at it. It's annoying when he starts talking about anything socio-political, because it's clear the guy doesn't appreciate math and statistics.

He seems like he'd respond to the following facts like this:

Rationalist: Port-au-Prince has one of the highest violent crime rates in the world.
Empiricist: The people there are so friendly. Sure, you can get in trouble, and you have to be careful, but you'll miss out if you don't visit.

Rationalist: Any Muslim hate fact (+30% support bombings, belief in genital mutilation, stoning the wife who's cheated on, etc, etc, etc)
Empiricist: I've met so many, hundreds, of Muslims in my travels who were nothing but kind and generous to me.

Rationalist: Sweatshop countries have totalitarian regimes that limit basic freedoms.
Empiricist: These people have no choice but to work at the Gap factory. Gap must be evil.

Am I interpreting Empiricism and Rationalism correctly, in how it might apply to a guy like Rollins. Also, this guy was raised by his mom. Doesn't it seem like people raised by moms (no dads present) are more empirical?

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I'm pretty sure he had both parents as a kid - but he was raised by punk rock as a teenager and beyond.

I haven't heard one peep of Rollins dating anyone - I think he's gay or best guess agnostic when it comes to sex and love.

He's a fucking smart guy, but being in the punk rock scene there's only certain shit he can say that's red pill.

An example is in my Sig.

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(06-23-2017 02:41 PM)heavy Wrote:  Also, this guy was raised by his mom. Doesn't it seem like people raised by moms (no dads present) are more empirical?

If it's true, it's possible. The Absent or Cucked Father / Dominating Mother combination has been a consistently-reliable tell for me for a man to be either Gay or Gamma.

His rhetoric doesn't sound much different to the party line spouted by Gamma Creeps like John Scalzi or Joss Whedon, or even less militant ones like Tom Hardy. If you read between the lines of their statements, you always end up with this recurring theme:

"I'm awkward and uncomfortable around masculinity because I'm constantly-aware of my failure to measure up to its standards. I deeply-resent the men whom seem to have easy-possession it."

Don't be fooled by the physiques of Hardy or Rollins. Gamma isn't something that is defeated by lifting weights, particularly if he qualifies as a Manlet (5ft9).

Being in the punk scene, I was obviously-aware of Black Flag, but when the Alternative Culture was commodified into Mass Culture it was much easier to hear his message directly. I bought a couple of his books, but all I read was intense Ressentiment against Functionality and the standard Impotent LiberalGamma Fantasies of Extreme Violence, all filtered through Post-Modern writing ability. Since I wasn't a thirteen-year-old who would mistake that kind of thing for 'adult', I didn't even finish the first book, as I realised "This guy has nothing to teach me," since I vaguely-remembering him saying men should eat their own cum before demanding a woman swallow so they know what it tastes like.

Remember, I don't respect Walt Whitman as a Writer, so Rollins stood no chance with me. I've grown to believe Leftists are in the mental condition they are because they are the most furious consumers of the toxic, dysfunctional art Leftists create.

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As an aside, I just noticed the book company is called 2.13.61. Looking it up now, it's his birthdate. I find this interesting, because there's been a lot of manosphere discussion lately about a theoretical culling of the Boomers, and both Jones and Strauss / Howe cut off Boomers at 1960, which has never rung true to me.

I left a small note on a site, talking about growing up Gen X, and during the Alternative-Era noting that I had nothing in common with all the artists and musicians being held up as Gen X thought-leaders. To me, they largely-struck me as Boring Older Kids trying to boss us around and force Boomer Morality upon us. Even the records they liked had more in common with my Dad's record collection than my own.

I've theorised the reliable cut off date for Boomer Sermonising is actually the end of '64. If the theoretical cull ever happens, be warned.

Some interesting dates to note of those most reliably-given 'Gen X' media coverage:

Kim Gordon - 1953!
Thurston Moore - 1958
Michael Stipe - 1960
Henry Rollins - 1961
Anthony Kiedis - 1962
Tori Amos - 1963
Natalie Merchant - 1963
Kat Bjelland - 1963
Eddie Vedder - 1964
Courtney Love - 1964
Kurt Cobain - 1967 - but note he only started furiously-sermonising after starting to date Love

Note they are all Moral Crusaders, whereas the '67-'68 cohort (Mike Patton, Billy Corgan, Scott Weiland, Layne Staley, Juliana Hatfield) were much more low-key about their political beliefs. If people of that generation were given excessive media coverage far beyond their limited record sales, they were usually from Leftist enclaves like Portland.

Holy hell, were the first group tedious and sanctimonious, and I've always believed Alternative Music died as youth group movement quickly as it did due to it's co-option by 28-32 year olds for leftist political purposes.

Spitballing now: I wonder if the actors and musicians who get the biggest media pushes now would fall into what I consider the Second Wave of Boomer Parenting. My parents had my sister at 17, me at 20. There's a common Gen X feeling of our parents being completely-absent through our childhood, and we were left to our own devices to wander-freely and fend for ourselves as our parents "found themselves."

I've also theorised that, by most of our late teens, Boomer Parents could no longer avoid the destruction they'd wrecked upon their children through absence, abortion or divorce, and so turned to a suffocating, helicopter style of parenting to overcompensate for their guilt. I noticed this seemed to kick in during the late 80's for many people I knew: suddenly their parents went from not caring, to caring too much.

There would also be the second wave of Boomer Births, from women and men who delayed parenting until their late 20's and 30's so they could engage in free love, feminism or casual sex.

As such, I suspect it's the Guilt-Age Boomers who raised the Social Justice Millennials, and, due to trying to be a friend to their children rather than a parent, they share the exact same ideals, hence the widespread lack of rebellion against the parents.

Therefore, I'd expect the Shitlord Millennials would either be the children of Generation X, who have a much looser parenting style on the whole, expecting children to work out things for themselves as much as possible and only stepping in when necessary, or True Free Thinkers.

I've noted on here for a couple of years to watch the play style of younger kids, as I've been seeing something very different. Gen Z's parents are functionally-absent like Gen X'er's were, due to work demands, scheduling excessive after-school activities, or being focused on their smart phones.

I originally noticed children playing in groups, outdoors, unsupervised, learning how to socialise and that not everyone has to tolerate you if you're toxic. I then noticed young teenagers walking around in groups again, talking, with no-one looking at a screen.

Now it's snowballing in the last year. I'm seeing unsupervised children everywhere. I'll be hiking in the bush and come across boys 'hunting' kangaroos with sticks, and note they've all left their bikes stashed in one place, and understand they rode there by themselves. It's Winter here, and has been getting dark about 5:30, so when I saw a group of under 10's skateboarding down the street at 7:30 the other night, yelling to each other about going to one of their houses cause his mother 'wouldn't be home from work yet', I could only grin.

If there is a coming conflict, it's the Shitlord Millennials, the older X'ers and the younger Z'eds who will band together.