Post: #26

Kosko, what other freedoms are you willing to give up?

I don't get why people on here are so eager to have the state tell them what is right and wrong. Must be a non-American way of thinking because I don't get it.

Post: #27

(03-08-2013 07:47 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  Kosko, what other freedoms are you willing to give up?

I don't get why people on here are so eager to have the state tell them what is right and wrong. Must be a non-American way of thinking because I don't get it.

I believe Kosko stated in a previous thread on banning porn that HE was addicted to porn. Basically, he wasn't able to handle access to porn so he doesn't believe ANYONE else should have access to it. Kind of like a slut that has multiple abortions and then becomes a born again christian and wants to ban ALL abortions even in instances of rape, etc.

Post: #28

(03-08-2013 05:07 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  This is it, gentlemen. This is what leftist governments do.

THEY know what's good for you, THEY are smarter and more englightened, so THEY have to control what the common masses can see or do.

Have you actually been to Europe?

Post: #29

Porn is a real problem that most guy's don't understand, the reason it is accessible and free is to keep us un-productive.

Ask yourself, what did you do before the internet? What did you do before porn was online?

I looked at some magazines when I was like 13.

Post: #30

(03-08-2013 09:31 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Porn is a real problem that most guy's don't understand, the reason it is accessible and free is to keep us un-productive.

Ask yourself, what did you do before the internet? What did you do before porn was online?

I looked at some magazines when I was like 13.

Everything has its costs and benefits. By this measure, you could ban sex without condoms, alcohol, fatty foods, soda, etc...

I think that the people who are so quick to allow the state to ban things are short-sighted.

Freedom comes with costs, not one is denying that. However, I would rather people have a choice in the matter than have the government dictate to them their choices.

Post: #31

They can't take away porn or men will revolt. Porn is an opiate of the beta masses.

Post: #32

(03-08-2013 09:31 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Porn is a real problem that most guy's don't understand, the reason it is accessible and free is to keep us un-productive.

Ask yourself, what did you do before the internet? What did you do before porn was online?

I looked at some magazines when I was like 13.

Porn is a real problem?? For you perhaps. How many times a day are you beating off to porn to consider it a problem? 3-4 times a day that it's making you unproductive? I ask this seriously, not as an attempt to insult you.

I could go 6 months with out watching "porn" and have in the past and it didn't affect me one way or the other. But I would never support the government's attempts to tell a law abiding tax paying adult male whether he could watch some big breasted chick being fucked doggystyle whenever he feels like it.

Post: #33

(03-08-2013 09:46 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 09:31 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Porn is a real problem that most guy's don't understand, the reason it is accessible and free is to keep us un-productive.

Ask yourself, what did you do before the internet? What did you do before porn was online?

I looked at some magazines when I was like 13.

Everything has its costs and benefits. By this measure, you could ban sex without condoms, alcohol, fatty foods, soda, etc...

I think that the people who are so quick to allow the state to ban things are short-sighted.

Freedom comes with costs, not one is denying that. However, I would rather people have a choice in the matter than have the government dictate to them their choices.

That is nice in theory, but government does what they want no matter what the people say.
Think about it for a second, would the banning of porn really effect your life that much.

Post: #34

(03-08-2013 09:21 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:07 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  This is it, gentlemen. This is what leftist governments do.

THEY know what's good for you, THEY are smarter and more englightened, so THEY have to control what the common masses can see or do.

Have you actually been to Europe?

Twice in 2013.

Why?

Post: #35

(03-08-2013 10:32 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 09:46 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 09:31 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Porn is a real problem that most guy's don't understand, the reason it is accessible and free is to keep us un-productive.

Ask yourself, what did you do before the internet? What did you do before porn was online?

I looked at some magazines when I was like 13.

Everything has its costs and benefits. By this measure, you could ban sex without condoms, alcohol, fatty foods, soda, etc...

I think that the people who are so quick to allow the state to ban things are short-sighted.

Freedom comes with costs, not one is denying that. However, I would rather people have a choice in the matter than have the government dictate to them their choices.

That is nice in theory, but government does what they want no matter what the people say.
Think about it for a second, would the banning of porn really effect your life that much.

Nice in theory?

The government can not just do what ever it wants or else it will eventually be toppled (see the Arab spring).

Think about this for a second: would banning rated R movies have a big effect on your life? You can still do what you want. You can still live your life as you see fit. That is the argument that you are making. Essentially, you are pro-censorship.

Post: #36

(03-08-2013 10:32 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  That is nice in theory, but government does what they want no matter what the people say.
Think about it for a second, would the banning of porn really effect your life that much.

Would the banning of RVF really effect your life that much?

Post: #37

(03-08-2013 09:46 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 09:31 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Porn is a real problem that most guy's don't understand, the reason it is accessible and free is to keep us un-productive.

Ask yourself, what did you do before the internet? What did you do before porn was online?

I looked at some magazines when I was like 13.

Everything has its costs and benefits. By this measure, you could ban sex without condoms, alcohol, fatty foods, soda, etc...

I think that the people who are so quick to allow the state to ban things are short-sighted.

Freedom comes with costs, not one is denying that. However, I would rather people have a choice in the matter than have the government dictate to them their choices.

American's sat by with all these distractions and let their Government morph into the biggest most freedom denying OPEN Government on earth. When I am in D.C. I can't even fart without hitting some NGO or leecher establishment that only exists to serve the mega mess of the US Govt.

Its like a cartoon hearing American's talk about freedom. The guns is all you have as the Gov't have as your Gov't has you all by the balls on everything else - and it was all on your peoples watch. To busy worrying about race and religion and other bullshit distraction as the Gov't hammered down controls, real civil freedom's, while destroying class mobility.

A Government is only a mirror projection of Society as a whole and Government has no legitimacy unless Society grants it that. Over reaching Governments are bred out of Society's complacency and deterioration. Government can vanish in a matter of days when Society collectively tells it to go fuck its self. Parliaments ad systems of legislative authority erode when the public is not buying it. The broken and overreaching American Gov't is a symbol of the symptoms present in society as whole. Their is no scape ghost with this, American's have to take the onus on themselves to realize this and collectively try to bring a more free American that is caste in their true image.

That is why I am saying its Male Hamster B.S. to try to defend this. Where where you when the Govt chipped away at everything else? Digital porn only came into the fold in the late 90's-early-00's. Men functioned great without it, we we're more productive back without it, the idea that it is our right to use this digital porn is crap. The Gov't line is a herring because you Men sat on your hands and did not fight when the Gov't introduces things like the Patriot Act, CIPA, PIPA, and scores of other Civil liberty restrictions.

You can see clear as day that it is nothing more then a soft weapon as a means of control against men.

Ask yourself how the industry forever expands despite the fact their is zero profit to be made. Aside from the monopoly a few studios have on the industry its pennies for everybody else yet it continues to expand rapidly.

When Kodak had a monopoly on a un-profitable industry (Film) it went out of bushiness.

Why is Porn still flourishing.

Think.

(03-08-2013 11:14 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:32 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 09:46 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 09:31 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Porn is a real problem that most guy's don't understand, the reason it is accessible and free is to keep us un-productive.

Ask yourself, what did you do before the internet? What did you do before porn was online?

I looked at some magazines when I was like 13.

Everything has its costs and benefits. By this measure, you could ban sex without condoms, alcohol, fatty foods, soda, etc...

I think that the people who are so quick to allow the state to ban things are short-sighted.

Freedom comes with costs, not one is denying that. However, I would rather people have a choice in the matter than have the government dictate to them their choices.

That is nice in theory, but government does what they want no matter what the people say.
Think about it for a second, would the banning of porn really effect your life that much.

Nice in theory?

The government can not just do what ever it wants or else it will eventually be toppled (see the Arab spring).

Think about this for a second: would banning rated R movies have a big effect on your life? You can still do what you want. You can still live your life as you see fit. That is the argument that you are making. Essentially, you are pro-censorship.

Again the horse has left the barn a long time ago - Bigger issues are on the grill.

Its like trying to catch kernels of grain when you need to fix the leaver for the chute.

The Government will come after people in their basement over Copyright infringements on movies and CD's but does nothing to curve the copyright infringement on Porn. It is a legal and licensed form of media no different then a regular motion picture, or music recording yet the Government sits on its hand as it is proliferated at neckbreak speeds.

And yes with the Arab spring example it can show in ways how society removes legitimacy from The State very quickly. It does not take much hat all for it to be accomplished once people remove the Power of the State.

What I am saying is that you can't blame the Government for shit as it is only a external representation of you and every other citizen. People will blame the institutions and power bodies THEY created to relieve blame from themselves.

Post: #38

Again, you are pro-censorship.

Glad you don't live in the USA and aren't a US citizen. Censor porn, movies, get rid of guns, get rid of drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. in your own country if you want. I think that if people in other countries want to give over everything to the state, fine.

But don't expect everyone to agree with you.

I'm done with this topic.

Post: #39

(03-08-2013 09:09 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 07:47 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  Kosko, what other freedoms are you willing to give up?

I don't get why people on here are so eager to have the state tell them what is right and wrong. Must be a non-American way of thinking because I don't get it.

I believe Kosko stated in a previous thread on banning porn that HE was addicted to porn. Basically, he wasn't able to handle access to porn so he doesn't believe ANYONE else should have access to it. Kind of like a slut that has multiple abortions and then becomes a born again christian and wants to ban ALL abortions even in instances of rape, etc.

Yeah, in the Iceland thread there were a few guys who welcomed a ban on porn because they felt they needed government bureaucrats to prevent them from compulsively touching their wieners. Of course, they said there was no need to argue about a slippery slope. Mere days later we hear about politicians calling for/enacting bans on communications related to "pornographic products", "sex tourism" "discrimination against women" and "gender stereotypes."

Post: #40

(03-08-2013 04:09 PM)Kentucky Wrote:  Kartika Liotard, a Dutch left-wing feminist MEP, is seeking "statutory measures to prevent any form of pornography in the media and in advertising and for a ban on advertising for pornographic products and sex tourism", including measures in the "digital field".

Post: #41

(03-08-2013 06:43 PM)Katatonic Wrote:  What most people consider "leftist" is actually the far right. The differences between a democratic socialist government and a theocratic Islamist one is moot, because they both use coercion to force their citizens to adhere to their standards in almost every aspect of life. A true leftist government would be the epitome of a minimalist one, where most of the decision making is placed on the shoulders of the individual. I don't believe a "leftist" government exists today, and if it does it sure as hell isn't in Europe.

Brilliant.
You forgot to mention that war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strenght.

Post: #42

Good luck with trying to ban porn and sex tourism.

I feel the same about this news as I do when people say, "We should ban guns in America!"
Any moral arguments aside, just how the fuck are you going to do that, and what money do you have to do something on that scale?

Here, there isn't enough of a police force to respond to burglaries or get rid of organised crime. Just how do the politicians that come up with these stupid ideas expect their countries to enforce something that practically everyone partakes in and enjoys?

Post: #43

Rationalization or not, women just want the monopoly on the male libido. Our libido is the biggest reason why we keep them around much at all. If they seriously gave two shits about "objectification", they'd be wearing clothing that didn't accentuate what they all know we stare at. A lack of porn would bump up their collective market value considerably. I don't even watch porn and I could see this happening.

I couldn't care less if there are porn addicts out there. That doesn't justify it's censorship. There are maple syrup addicts, warcraft addicts, caffeine addicts, you name it. At least it doesn't give you cancer like my habits do. Porn is mostly harmless and it's our modern day answer to hookers, which was a bone that society threw to the guys who worked but still couldn't get any.

Then there are plenty of guys who would rather jerk it to porn than chase women. Imagine if they all had to chase women to get their rocks off instead? Call me whatever you want, but I'd really rather not deal with that shit. The ego of the average fatty would tractor sized.

The more guys jerking it off constantly to porn, the less competition I have to deal with when I go to the bars to hit on slags, barring the kind of guys who can jerk it six times a day and still have enough motivation to talk to women. I'll help out a friend with his women problems, but not anyone I don't know.

Our society would be much better off if we banned pornography on one condition. That condition is that all artificial sources of validation for females are completely eliminated and we take them off the political pedestal. That "you go girl" shit, that's porn for women. The endless stream of likes and compliments on facebook, all of it is essentially girly porn. Same with the dozens of messages she gets on OK Cupid. If it raises her perception of her own value, she gets off to it.

Post: #44

I wonder what we'd think as a society if someone had just invented the internet, and accurately predicted it's consequences.

"Ok guys, we have to decide if we want hordes of hardcore pornography freely accessible to everyone".

I highly doubt nearly as many guys would be getting as upset about not having it. It's because it feels like something we're entitled to now, and taking it away feels like an infringement of our rights - "feminists want to take away my freedoms". Is that what's happening here? I'm not saying it's not btw. Just trying to think about it without a knee-jerk reaction.

Post: #45

I think we all agree on the forum that porn has wrecked society (I got into anti porn thinking and no fap due to forum)

Hordes of sexless beta men without porn is a scary thought

Post: #46

(03-09-2013 08:10 AM)Kentucky Wrote:  I think we all agree on the forum that porn has wrecked society (I got into anti porn thinking and no fap due to forum)

Hordes of sexless beta men without porn is a scary thought

P0rn has existed since Pre-Historic times.

So how can we all agree "that p0rn has wrecked society"?

Post: #47

(03-08-2013 11:12 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 09:21 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:07 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  This is it, gentlemen. This is what leftist governments do.

THEY know what's good for you, THEY are smarter and more englightened, so THEY have to control what the common masses can see or do.

Have you actually been to Europe?

Twice in 2013.

Why?

Then you would have noticed that there is a lot less censorship in Europe than there is in Texas or Alabama or Utah.

As for knowing what is good for you, this is what right wing bible thumpers are good at, thrusting their warped sense of morality on you.

Post: #48

(03-09-2013 09:52 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 08:10 AM)Kentucky Wrote:  I think we all agree on the forum that porn has wrecked society (I got into anti porn thinking and no fap due to forum)

Hordes of sexless beta men without porn is a scary thought

P0rn has existed since Pre-Historic times.

So how can we all agree "that p0rn has wrecked society"?

Has it?

They had smartphones streaming gang bangs on sites such as xshare in prehistoric times?

Or do you mean a primitive drawing in sheepsblood

Post: #49

(03-09-2013 02:51 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 04:09 PM)Kentucky Wrote:  Kartika Liotard, a Dutch left-wing feminist MEP, is seeking "statutory measures to prevent any form of pornography in the media and in advertising and for a ban on advertising for pornographic products and sex tourism", including measures in the "digital field".

A picture is worth a thousand words. I can understand why a broad that looks like this is gung-ho about banning porn, its probably the only chance she has to get some dick. Why any non-feminist male would support a porn ban baffles me.

Post: #50

As far as I know it's a ban like the one in Iceland. Was propositioned in 1997 too, failed. It might get through this time. Times have changed.

Kosko's argument: He might have some personal beef with porn, but his main argument that "why care about porn when there are a million other more important things the government have and will try to take from you" is solid in my book. Our time is limited. "Work smarter not harder" e.g. sit down and get the entire picture before you start anything.