Post: #1

So I'm a big fan of foreign girls (Not American girls). I think for the most part they are more feminine and effectionate. I must say though, the best sex I've had has been with American chicks. I've probably been with 3 American girls in the last year, and 2 of them were the best bangs I've ever had. They are typically more freaky and know how to move better than any girls I've ever been with. Another thing I like about American girls is that they are down to just be fuck buddies. I met an American girl last weekend. We banged a couple times over the week (She was an awesome lay and a freak). Her phone kept blowing up and she wouldn't answer it. It kept happening. I ask her, "Who is that, your ex boyfriend?" She says, "Not really." I go, "So you're still dating?" She wouldn't tell me, she wouldn't really even say anything. I look at her and go, "Look, I don't care, I'm not looking to have a relationship with you, I'm just looking to have fun." She was all about it and was happy I didn't make it a big deal about her having a boyfriend (Boyfriend lives 3 hours away too). I then proceeded to tell her that she couldn't get mad at me if she ever caught me banging other girls, she agreed as long as I wore condoms. Fucking awesome. This wouldn't fly with many girls in other parts of the world. But, this is also another reason why it is bad to have an american girlfriend, they cheat a lot from from my experiences with them. Out of those 3 American girls I've recently been with, 2 had boyfriends.

Post: #2

Enjoy! Take them all! :-)

Post: #3

I think the best place to be a successful player would be in the US. Best place to find a girlfriend or a wife, anywere else.

Post: #4

(05-29-2010 06:20 AM)Brandon E Wrote:  I think the best place to be a successful player would be in the US. Best place to find a girlfriend or a wife, anywere else.

Definitely.

Also, where condoms with that broad. Her phone was blowing up likely with all the other guys she's currently getting it from. Not that you didn't know that.

Post: #5

I tire from their lingo. They sure talk a lot of smack.

Post: #6

Even the American accent coming from their mouths gets me limp. :-)

Post: #7

(05-29-2010 12:17 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(05-29-2010 06:20 AM)Brandon E Wrote:  I think the best place to be a successful player would be in the US. Best place to find a girlfriend or a wife, anywere else.

Definitely.

Also, where condoms with that broad. Her phone was blowing up likely with all the other guys she's currently getting it from. Not that you didn't know that.

For sure wearing condoms with her, though I don't think she knows many people out here, she just moved here. Yesterday she tried getting me to stick it in her without a condom, that wasn't going down. Skanky little chick.

Post: #8

(05-29-2010 05:06 PM)Brandon E Wrote:  

(05-29-2010 12:17 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(05-29-2010 06:20 AM)Brandon E Wrote:  I think the best place to be a successful player would be in the US. Best place to find a girlfriend or a wife, anywere else.

Definitely.

Also, where condoms with that broad. Her phone was blowing up likely with all the other guys she's currently getting it from. Not that you didn't know that.

For sure wearing condoms with her, though I don't think she knows many people out here, she just moved here. Yesterday she tried getting me to stick it in her without a condom, that wasn't going down. Skanky little chick.

lol..thats hilarious...

Post: #9

Yeah, American girls get around.... a lot of them think they can be players like men, that's how they wind up like this.... they think they are equals.

Post: #10

American women know how to bang, but they sure as hell don't know how to turn a guy on. I get tired of banging them even when the sex is good. I've been banging this girl for a little over a week and am already over it. Damn do I miss Brazilian girls. So naturally effectionate. American girls try and just do such an aweful job. It's a turn off.

Post: #11

My five cents regarding American girls, put together with some questions. Note that it is an opinion of a foreigner who only recently
moved to US, so if you're local, most of it may not apply to you. It, however, still may give you some insight about EE girls.

So the pros of American chicks:

1. American chicks are more social and friendly comparing to EE girls. In the first year in US I've been approached by stranger girls more times than during my 25+ years in EE. American girls are definitely less shy in talking, and it seems like the culture teaches them to listen the dude first before blowing him off. I have never heard of American chick which would react with "get off, bitch" when you just say hi to her, which sometime happens with Russian chicks (this, however, may be a foreigner effect as I can't imagine a Russian chick saying that to foreigner either). Sometime it feels like they just cannot understand how someone can come into the bar/club by himself, look calm, confident and happy but not saying a single word to anyone.

2. Most of American chicks do not smoke. A huge bonus when comparing to EE chicks, most of whom do - and even if they use refreshments afterwards (and a lot do not), it still stinks when you kiss them. Which means I try to kiss them much less, and if you invite them to your non-smoking hotel room, you might end up with some hefty charges (Hilton in Moscow charges $250 for this "cleanup") if they smoke there.

3. If you're foreigner, American chicks are quite easy to deal with. True, I cannot really use quotes from Roosh's book, and my conversation is typically kinda awkward but I'm cut a lot of slack even if I really fucked something up or just doing dumb stuff. It's amazing what kind of shit you can pull with them and get away with that. For example, once I asked a girl if she wants to have a drink with me in a "Russian way". She said, sure, and I finished her drink, and then mine, saying this is the Russian way (which is of course a complete bullshit). Then I told her it was a bullshit excuse to steal her drink because I'm too cheap to pay for second one, and she just laughed. Some of them also look like they're competing with each other by "collecting" men from different countries.

4. American chicks like to perform oral sex, and seem to enjoy it. It seems also to be easier to get comparing to regular sex. For a lot of EE girls oral sex is a chore, and they got tired in two minutes because of very little practice.

5. If you have some kind of non-standard sexual kink, my impression is that it would be easier to get an American chick into it. A threesome or an orgy is more likely to happen earlier with an American chick comparing with an EE chick. Also my impression is that you wouldn't scare off a typical American chick by saying something like you're bisexual, while for EE chick it would likely to be an immediate deal-breaker.

And cons:

1. They talk too much, and expect you to talk quite a lot. I still can get away with saying that in Russian culture a person who is talking too much is generally considered a windbag (which is true), and people there are raised to talk the least amount possible (and silences are natural part of conversation when people actually thinking about what they just heard). With American chick silence is immediately filled by another conversation, typically about something stupid like some TV show. This also makes it much harder to me since I never watched any TV (at all, including sports), and stay away from mainstream movies and books which are less than 20 years old.

2. They are not feminine. Even if she is in a good shape, she is typically dressed in some crap which an EE girl would only wear to clean up her apartment. If a girl came to a date wearing typical "American girl apparel", which seems to be pants, cheap shoes and a t-shirt showing some boobs, I'd leave, probably even without making-up an excuse. The reason is that such attire would turn me off right away, and I'd have no incentive to push her toward sex, which would in turn mean the date would be a wasted time for both of us. Basically once I came to USA, I understood why there are so many gay men here. A benefit is that you see right there what you gonna get (comparing to EE women which mastered the art to hide body flaws with special clothes, so what you would finally get may be really different from what you thought you would). The problem, however, is that what you see typically provides zero incentives to even try to get it.

3. Generally most of them have ugly faces. This is probably cultural thing; my colleagues were quite shocked when I told them Uma Thurman is ugly (on tenth scale she's four by my standards) - and she is; she may be a great actress, but she is still ugly. I'm used to EE girls who typically have a beautiful face, and an attractive face and legs are important to me (and at the same time I don't give shit about boobs or teeth). They also tend to have bad skin, which is probably California-specific, spending too much time on the sun.

4. The way they behave they look like extreme drama queens, getting high emotions on very small things. Where ab EE girl would just smile, an American chick gonna laugh that the whole neighborhood would know she's having fun. This feels weird as I know this joke wasn't really THAT funny. They also tend to hyperbolize even little things like saying how good I was performing this karaoke song, while I understand I fucked up several times and real score for that would be negative.

5. They are hypocrites. They will talk about how sacred the marriage vows are, and yet the USA has one of the highest divorce rates in the world. The most amusing part is that generally people here openly support and even advocate male genital mutilation (circumcision), while simultaneously criticizing female genital mutilation (female circumcision) happening in some African/Asian countries. Talking to people with holier-than-thou attitude was amusing, but now I just find it annoying.

6. Tattoos. This is a huge turn-off to me, and a lot of American chicks are tattooed as an old sailor during the Middle Ages, and I'm not into fucking sailors.

And now a couple of questions:

1. (for other EE foreigners with English as second/third language): how do you manage your talking game, and what pushes you to improve it? I have no problem starting and keeping 5-10 minute conversations, but then I either get bored or run out of things to say with zero incentives to even continue. So unless she's doing 90% of conversation at that moment, we're off. Do you deal with that, and if yes, how?

2. Tell or not tell the chick you're married? The problem here is that if you tell, you'd also need to tell the way your marriage works, and in my case it is not a typical vanilla marriage (basically sex with others is not an issue for us), so she'd probably not believe in it anyway. OTOH, I recently banged a nice girl (she was Kazakh though) who I wouldn't bang if I was single, so it may be double-edged issue. Your thoughts?

Post: #12

Where I live there are a lot of foreigners, and I feel like the girls here aren't as open to meeting foreigners unless the girls are foreign themselves. But OTOH pretty much the only desirable girls I know are foreign. Most the desirable (In terms of looks) American girls you meet here usually aren't into meeting foreigners. It's kind of weird. You're pretty dead on with the American girl observation in general. I also realize that American girls will put up with a lot of bullshit too. I had to deal with the speaking to a girl in my second language a couple of times. I dated a girl for a little while who only spoke Portugues. When I first met her I just tried to do things where I wouldn't have to speak as much, like dancing, movies, clubs, things like that. One thing that really helped me was talking on the internet with her. It kinda sucked actually talking on the internet, but it helped me out a lot with learning Portuguese. Your English is better than my Portuguese, I don't see it holding you back too much, at least for just a bang. It might get old after a while if you are trying to establish a realtionship (Though doesn't sound like it). I can't speak for being a foreigner in the US, but in Brazil speaking my second language I think had a fair share of both advantages and disadvantages with women.

Post: #13

I was in Miami, 1 black girl approached me asking how tall I am (I am 200cm/6'7.) Then she went back to talk with her other 2 friends and smiled at me. After 1 hour another girl smiled at me, lol. I never experience stuff like that here in Holland.

Post: #14

Quote:how do you manage your talking game, and what pushes you to improve it? I have no problem starting and keeping 5-10 minute conversations, but then I either get bored or run out of things to say with zero incentives to even continue. So unless she's doing 90% of conversation at that moment, we're off. Do you deal with that, and if yes, how?

If you don't have any incentive to continue, then how can you be motivated enough to improve? I think your first problem is finding girls you like. When that happens, you'll be motivated to experiment and come up with ways to keep the conversation going.

Post: #15

(06-15-2010 03:47 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  I never watched any TV (at all, including sports), and stay away from mainstream movies and books which are less than 20 years old.

Lol, do you think they can't be good or what?

(06-15-2010 03:47 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  1. (for other EE foreigners with English as second/third language): how do you manage your talking game, and what pushes you to improve it? I have no problem starting and keeping 5-10 minute conversations, but then I either get bored or run out of things to say with zero incentives to even continue. So unless she's doing 90% of conversation at that moment, we're off. Do you deal with that, and if yes, how?

Your problem seems to be on creating "raport" with girls. Here is some advice from a Slavic guy (Cortez) from a couple years back:

"She has to FEEL you two are soulmates, like she knows you forever.
When it happens fast, you hear following from her: ''Oh my God I don't know why I'm telling you this, I don't even know you..''

What happened?

She FEELS she knows me better then her best friend and her logical brain supplies her with information ''You don't know this guy''!

And yes, rapport gets you girl!

NOW THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS FOR GUYS WHO WANT RAPPORT FAST:

Attraction is naturally created between people.
With deep raport you will get her. If not first time you see her, second or third you will. She will remember you as someone special and think of you all the time. Good rapport brings the chick to you.

What to do to get in rapport, guys:

* Relax. It is important. RELAX. Nervous guys, don't drink coffeine, don't look around like you escaped from jail. Act like youre alone in the most comfortable place on Earth. Make that place existant in your imagination if you have never been in a place like that.

* Avoid everyday chat (weather, school, job, newspapers, movies..) you will need weeks to get rapport with that.

* Skip the usual introductions and talk with her like she is your twin sister, in fact even more openly than you would with your twin sister.

* Go deep (share some emotions with her, talk about yourself (example: how you fell in love first time when you were 5 years old, how you had a rabbit and he was your friend and when he died you were very sad and felt vulnerable..)

* Listen when she follows with her deep story. Leave coments aside. Don't interrupt with: ''That's good!'', ''That's funny'', ''Oh that's so bad for you''. Just listen. Don't criticise or judge her whatever she says. Never involve in discussion. If you do so you're pushing her away. If you 'agree' with her or 'approve' her actions you loose trust from her. Just listen. Ask question if something is not clear to you. When you finish asking, shut up and listen her for a while. You must NOT become her cushion.

It happens in 15 mins - 2 hours, only in special situations longer. Dont make it long. If you make it long without steping forward (kiss), there is a danger of becoming a friend, or even worse, marriage material.

* Don't try hard to find common things between you two. Do it more like you're just informing yourself about her and her about your thoughts, or even better, you're just thinking loudly, with no specific objective.

* Don't give her eye contact too much. Save it's power for later. Give it more and more in moments before kiss, and make a last one longer.

* Cube and similar techniques can work if used on right place in right time and by skilled person. I prefer something else: use experience to explain how she feels or what she thinks or why she behaved in such way in such occasion. That adds HUGE amounts of rapport, it's quicker and less boring."

Post: #16

(06-17-2010 05:12 PM)Roosh Wrote:  If you don't have any incentive to continue, then how can you be motivated enough to improve? I think your first problem is finding girls you like. When that happens, you'll be motivated to experiment and come up with ways to keep the conversation going.

Ok, after yesterday's rendezvous and failure I think my problem is body language which sends a strong "I'm not really interested in you" message, and incorrect reaction to weird questions.

So I went to a karaoke bar I visited a few times, the first time wearing a semi-custom suit (For MPM: a Bossini one). This wasn't a very bright idea as I was used to store suits, and this one was tighter and felt a little unusual. Got quite a bunch of "who's that guy" weird looks, had a few girls approaching me asking where did I come from or where do I go, replied with a typical bullshit being an escort on vacation. Saw a bunch of girls who I have seen that last Thu. One of the girls had a pretty face, and the second one was glancing on me quite often - basically every time I look in their direction she was meeting my eyes. A black dude was gaming them and I enjoyed watching it while talking to a couple of older ladies (they're always fun to talk). Performed "woman in love" on karaoke and enjoyed it. Prepared to leave as it was around 1am, so approached that group of girls to ask where the pretty face is from. She was local, but explained that her ancestors were from Hawaii. Had basic conversation like exchanging names and karaoke for five minutes, the dude who has been gaming pretty face for last two hours alone looks welcoming, and here's the conversation turned a little weird:

[Pretty face]: where're your friends?
[Me]: I like going out alone, I don't need friends.

[Pretty face]: (suddenly, after a five second pause or so) how tall are you?
[Me]: 5'4 (a stupid mistake; typically I'd react like "I've no idea; in my world it doesn't matter how tall are you or how large are your boobs"; if she has large boobs it would be "or how many extra pounds you have"). This question, however, caught me off guard so I just gave straight answer. I'm used to "Do you have a large dick?" questions to which I usually reply something like "It depends... on how attractive the lady is", but this one was quite unusual.

... A pause while she's talking to the dude while I'm finishing my beer staring into the bar thinking why I gave straight answer. A girl who was glancing on me often looks at me, I look at her and we laugh. I look closer at her, and she's definitely not my taste ...

[Pretty face]: (points to the glancing girl) Do you like my friend?
[Me]: Well... I think she's ok. Are you advertising her or what? I don't get it. (don't think it was a good answer, but that was the best I've made on the spot)
[Pretty face]: (confused) No, I'm not, just asking (turned away).

I said good bye and left. The whole conversation took less than 10 minutes.

Post: #17

(06-18-2010 07:37 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(06-17-2010 05:12 PM)Roosh Wrote:  If you don't have any incentive to continue, then how can you be motivated enough to improve? I think your first problem is finding girls you like. When that happens, you'll be motivated to experiment and come up with ways to keep the conversation going.

Ok, after yesterday's rendezvous and failure I think my problem is body language which sends a strong "I'm not really interested in you" message, and incorrect reaction to weird questions.

So I went to a karaoke bar I visited a few times, the first time wearing a semi-custom suit (For MPM: a Bossini one). This wasn't a very bright idea as I was used to store suits, and this one was tighter and felt a little unusual. Got quite a bunch of "who's that guy" weird looks, had a few girls approaching me asking where did I come from or where do I go, replied with a typical bullshit being an escort on vacation. Saw a bunch of girls who I have seen that last Thu. One of the girls had a pretty face, and the second one was glancing on me quite often - basically every time I look in their direction she was meeting my eyes. A black dude was gaming them and I enjoyed watching it while talking to a couple of older ladies (they're always fun to talk). Performed "woman in love" on karaoke and enjoyed it. Prepared to leave as it was around 1am, so approached that group of girls to ask where the pretty face is from. She was local, but explained that her ancestors were from Hawaii. Had basic conversation like exchanging names and karaoke for five minutes, the dude who has been gaming pretty face for last two hours alone looks welcoming, and here's the conversation turned a little weird:

[Pretty face]: where're your friends?
[Me]: I like going out alone, I don't need friends.

[Pretty face]: (suddenly, after a five second pause or so) how tall are you?
[Me]: 5'4 (a stupid mistake; typically I'd react like "I've no idea; in my world it doesn't matter how tall are you or how large are your boobs"; if she has large boobs it would be "or how many extra pounds you have"). This question, however, caught me off guard so I just gave straight answer. I'm used to "Do you have a large dick?" questions to which I usually reply something like "It depends... on how attractive the lady is", but this one was quite unusual.

... A pause while she's talking to the dude while I'm finishing my beer staring into the bar thinking why I gave straight answer. A girl who was glancing on me often looks at me, I look at her and we laugh. I look closer at her, and she's definitely not my taste ...

[Pretty face]: (points to the glancing girl) Do you like my friend?
[Me]: Well... I think she's ok. Are you advertising her or what? I don't get it. (don't think it was a good answer, but that was the best I've made on the spot)
[Pretty face]: (confused) No, I'm not, just asking (turned away).

I said good bye and left. The whole conversation took less than 10 minutes.

Sounds like her friend had the eye for you, but you only had the eye for the hot one. This can piss women off, esp if the hot one thinks that she is out of your league or thinks that her friend and you are perfect...

Post: #18

(05-29-2010 05:27 AM)Brandon E Wrote:  So I'm a big fan of foreign girls (Not American girls). I think for the most part they are more feminine and effectionate. I must say though, the best sex I've had has been with American chicks. I've probably been with 3 American girls in the last year, and 2 of them were the best bangs I've ever had. They are typically more freaky and know how to move better than any girls I've ever been with. Another thing I like about American girls is that they are down to just be fuck buddies. I met an American girl last weekend. We banged a couple times over the week (She was an awesome lay and a freak). Her phone kept blowing up and she wouldn't answer it. It kept happening. I ask her, "Who is that, your ex boyfriend?" She says, "Not really." I go, "So you're still dating?" She wouldn't tell me, she wouldn't really even say anything. I look at her and go, "Look, I don't care, I'm not looking to have a relationship with you, I'm just looking to have fun." She was all about it and was happy I didn't make it a big deal about her having a boyfriend (Boyfriend lives 3 hours away too). I then proceeded to tell her that she couldn't get mad at me if she ever caught me banging other girls, she agreed as long as I wore condoms. Fucking awesome. This wouldn't fly with many girls in other parts of the world. But, this is also another reason why it is bad to have an american girlfriend, they cheat a lot from from my experiences with them. Out of those 3 American girls I've recently been with, 2 had boyfriends.

Although I am willing to vouch for many of the things you've said about American girls and say that women like that exist here, your generalization is something I find extremely offensive as an american woman.

My Two Cents

Post: #19

HAHAHA, you made me laugh and think of a gf that says,"the way you looked at me hurt my feelings" or some crap like that. Of course you find it offensive, this is a board about men traveling and having sex with women, and our candid views. Dont take this too harsh, but I doubt anyone cares about your feelings. We dont let the guys know that they made us feel sad on here.

Logic and reason rule here. I dont agree because.... here are some facts or opinion based on experience. Feelings are rarely used and only to understand the mindset at the time. BTW what he says is true from most of our experiences. Offensive or not, its reality.

Post: #20

(06-19-2010 10:30 PM)Aylar Wrote:  Although I am willing to vouch for many of the things you've said about American girls and say that women like that exist here, your generalization is something I find extremely offensive as an american woman.

Translation: what Brandon said was correct (this is important), but you didn't like it (who cares?).

Post: #21

I think its funny though what Brandon says because I hear most American men say the complete opposite about American women. They seem to think exactly what he thins about american women, about foreign women. The concept of freakiness and moving well in bed is something American men seem to attribute to Brazilian, Latin, and eastern european women. I think it is just stereotypical.

Post: #22

(06-18-2010 10:03 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  Sounds like her friend had the eye for you, but you only had the eye for the hot one.

Not even for her (she was just ok), but I've got an idea.

Post: #23

(06-20-2010 05:18 PM)Aylar Wrote:  I think its funny though what Brandon says because I hear most American men say the complete opposite about American women. They seem to think exactly what he thins about american women, about foreign women. The concept of freakiness and moving well in bed is something American men seem to attribute to Brazilian, Latin, and eastern european women. I think it is just stereotypical.

Brazilian/Latin - maybe, I have no experience with those.
Eastern European - no, in general they are much less freaky. Moving well in bed, however, I found to be very individual, and it depends on a guy.

I wonder though how much experience with Latin/EE women "most American men" have, meaning how much of what you hear is based on their personal experience?

Post: #24

I have tons and I will say, there are plenty of american women who are good and freaky in bed, as a general rule though, IME the average latina is better and less inhibited and is more comfortable with her body in and out of bed.

As for freakishness.... guess that all depends, I had a kiwi start choking me once in bed. I said fuck it and started choking her back, I have played with it and with the exception of one girl who had an issue, they have all loved being choked a little. That might be freaky to some people, anal sex is freaky to some people(I personally could care less about anal, im convinced guys with smaller dicks are all about it, and/or the ones who are with girls who have caverns for vaginas). I have tied up lots of girls? Is that freaky? hot wax... yeah... 3somes is freaky to some, I drawl the line at BDSM hardcore shit. I had a girl smack me once, I smacked her back, she got off on it. Who knows.