Post: #1

do all attractive european women want to be mothers?

any chance of any beautiful, loving, caring child-free by choice euro women?

This is just a open question to men out there who live overseas and those who have done extensive traveling. I know there are alot of men here who have banged all types of european ladies all over the world.

and i feel the need to call on your expertise.

i'm 30 years of age and i don't want kids. I had a lousy childhood, my parents & extended family treated my like garbage and now that i'm older i just

want to go overseas (preferably East Europe) and find an attractive/beautiful europe lady who'll follow my lead. But i don't want to be a father and i'm not interested in being a step-father. but it seems that europe ladies all fantasize about being mothers. And the younger and the prettier she is, the more likely she'll want to have babies.



especially with slavic ladies. Several guys have told me i should aim at ladies who are in their mid 30's because in places like ukraine 30 and over is considered old.

and at that age they have likely given up on the idea. Because the younger prettier she is the stronger the desire is.

But I notice the really pretty east europe slavic ladies who are in their mid to late 30's tend to be single - divorced mothers. I notice this alot. I see this alot in Ukraine.



if she's very pretty and in her late 30's like this woman


9 times out of 10..she has an 11 year old kid. It's a consistent pattern that i notice.

pretty, beautiful, exotic & middle 30's = single divorced mother



And it just seems like the local men of those slavic cultures have already singled out those exotic top tier beauties when they were young. And then they marry, impregnate and then later on get divorced from those pretty women. which leaves alot of pretty single moms. i wish it was just single.

is there a way around this?.


Of all the beautiful nice lovely women all over east europe and europe in general-- am i doomed to being stuck with the baby thing? I clearly need to come up with a strategy but i don't know what it will be.

I was originally considering using one of those ridiculous marriage agencies at one point becuase i felt it might be easier to single out the type of women

i'm looking for but i don't like the idea of "buying" a woman or being scammed.

So i ask you guys for advice. Is what i'm trying to do impossible? should i start looking at a different country/region?

Post: #2

It's a global trend really as all the chickens from the late-80s-90s and 2010s come home to roost. The Ukraine is not going to be much different here. Even at marriage agencies in the FSU you will find women trying to dump their little bastard on some foreign guy. These women really never anticipated that it would be hard finding a new guy as a single mom. Sad really..

An entire generation of women was never taught how to be mothers. Let's see how the leftists propose to clean this mess up.

Post: #3

The amount of single mothers in provincial Russia, Ukraine and Belarus is staggering. Many of these beauties get married quite young, usually early 20s when they are still in or just out of Uni. Fast forward 5-6 years, with the wife starting to age and Igor's roaming eyes descends on the 19 y.o. student hottie he meets during a work night out and proceeds to smash her. Igor dumps wifey and child and proceeds to shack up with Svetlana the studenka. The process is repeated after a few years. From my own experience, Russian women are adverse to contraception so you have to insist on slipping on the raincoat. Going raw dog could be inviting a shot gun wedding. A single Mum in the FSU is in a very shitty position. Her future prospects of finding a suitable man receeds faster than snow in the Sahara. She is fucked both socially and economically. No man will touch a single Mum for a serious relationship rendering her chances of finding a good husband as a big fat 0. There is no safety net to speak of in the FSU and a good husband i.e. a bloke who provides for a family is worth its weight in gold. I personally know one woman, 26 y.o, a 7 in looks who has been recently dumped by her husband to be and is 3 months preggers. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that life is going to be an uphill struggle for her and her off spring in provincial Russia. Meanwhile her ex I now hear has moved on and no doubt is on the prowl to do some catch up time on the local talent.

The good guys are snapped up in the early 20s and a few of them play the field and can afford to have a mistress or two on the side if they have financial means to do so. Many women in provincial Russia due to the economic realities in the ground, desire to get married to a man who is a good provider and doesnt spend his days drinking Toilet Duck and hitting the kids. This leaves an amazing amount of hotties, single Mums and childless women from late 20s onwards up for grabs. However while I have argued that the demographics are 50:50 between men and women, all you need to do is look at alot of the local dudes available to know that many of them are just not marriage material or suitable for a serious relationship. That is from my experience in provincial Russia. It is probably different in Moscow in a more cosmopolitan and less conservative setting.

I argue that any good lad who manages to get set up there medium to long term will have a great time ploughing through the local talent. Dont worry though, you wont remain single forever as one of these women will capture our heart and you will get shacked up. They are fucking smashing.

Post: #4

Get a vasectomy. Lie about it. If things fall apart then move on to the next girl.

Post: #5

Makes me wonder why peopleare still in places like london.

If you dont want kids i would suggest go to frace. People are extreamly libral there and many dont want kids.
DONT go to ukraine or china for women that dont want kids.

Post: #6

Thanks for contributing fellas. i really appreciate it. i really do. i'm actually talking to an honest guy who I trust who has a good track record and runs and agency over there in Ukraine. he settled there in one of the smaller towns and has lived in Ukraine for 10 years. he is from portrugal originally. i caved in and reached out to him. In all honesty what i think is this. once i'm ready to go over there and set aside the money for supporting a woman and everything (bringing her over). i'm gonna do it. i'm studying russian now.

he and I will have to work closely at singling out attractive women who are in their middle 30's who have a good intentions, is caring, loving etc., who don't mind not having babies.

in Kiev and other places. he has many contacts.

because this issue is just too huge over there. i was frustrated at first because i actually wanted someone younger but being that i'm an american guy. i don't mind a woman who's in her middle 30's who looks like this woman below and has no kids and doesn't want them.



She looks real good. she is in actuality 38 years old and has actually had two kids already. two boys. 11 yrs old and 20 yrs old and is divorced. but my point is she still in the 9-10 range even after having kids. She looks more pretty and youthful than her own kids actually. her boys are not good looking like her. If i end up in the middle 30's range - My goal is to aim for this quality of woman just without babies.



just imagine the possibilities if she was a fitness woman. i'm a bodybuilder so if i could get a woman like her on some bodybuilder / fitness woman thing. i'm cool with that.

but my ultimate dream/goal is this scene like this one here. It's a clip from a french film called a walk in the clouds. it stars french actress fanny ardant. Basically she plays very beautiful older french lady who is married to a rich american who cheats on her.. in the plot they live in beautiful house in France and have no children.




but i just love that image of a pretty wife waiting at home. dinner on the table. no babies running around. that's my dream. i hope it can come true.

Quote:Makes me wonder why peopleare still in places like london.

If you dont want kids i would suggest go to frace. People are extreamly libral there and many dont want kids.
DONT go to ukraine or china for women that dont want kids.

and as for the idea of France. intially i was looking at france. i thought french culture was baby obsessed too. I'm wrong about this? i'm more attracted to slavic beauty at the moment and i just like the idea of a East Europe woman who would appreciate what i could offer and who'll work hard to please my mandhood. For this i would reward her.

also i want a hot chick and in slavic world its easier to come by. France IMO is a mixed bag as far pretty women. there are hot french women, i know but i also see alot of french women who are top actresses over there who sometimes look like this even at press conferences!! So this is clarly okay over there to look like this. which is the total opposite of slavic girls.



my favorite french actress Irene Jacob.. She is starting age. It's depressing. I can see her deteriorating. it hurts me.

1997


2012


i loved her and her films she was so pretty. I lover her personality too. it hurts to see my dream woman starting to go down like this. only fans will know how pretty she was. But its inevitable. but she's not a fitness woman and she doesn't believe in the newer advances in surgery/skin creams available to women - she didn't start using it early enough. so she'll get old quickly now. But i still love her though. i always will.

Post: #7

I met more than one finnish girl who firmly stated not wanting kids because don't like them. The same can easily happen in the rest of Scandinavia. It's easy to understand why: in those countries, due to the coldness of climate and of the people, it's common that human beings, when in their childhood, don't receive the necessary affection to develop a loving feeling for everything concerning family, kids ecc. Hence I'm sure in those places (supposing you wanna go there) you can find the woman you look for. Personally I'd suggest Finland, because there women in their 30's are better phisically mantained than in the rest of Scandinavia.

Post: #8

dont think frenh culture is too baby obssesed. there are more clasy good looking women in paris in thwir 30s than anywhere i can think of in europe. its a big city and lots of culture to attract classy women in this age range, people tend to marry later, whereas places in ukraine i think you have to look harder as people get married earlier there
seems like you are only going there in mid thirties so why worry now?

Post: #9

(02-02-2013 04:06 PM)Garzero Wrote:  The same can easily happen in the rest of Scandinavia. It's easy to understand why: in those countries, due to the coldness of climate and of the people, it's common that human beings, when in their childhood, don't receive the necessary affection to develop a loving feeling for everything concerning family, kids ecc.

Check out Freud here.

I'd report you, but I can't decide if it's trolling or stellar levels of ignorance.

Post: #10

Vicious, I had a girlfriend who used to spout the same stuff. "Cold climates produce cold, un-affectionate people." She insisted that her "warmth" came from the fact that her family originated in tropical Cuba instead of northwest Europe. I always thought that was her own cockamamie idea, but I guess this theory is believed by some people?

Post: #11

(02-02-2013 09:16 PM)Ovid Wrote:  Vicious, I had a girlfriend who used to spout the same stuff. "Cold climates produce cold, un-affectionate people." She insisted that her "warmth" came from the fact that her family originated in tropical Cuba instead of northwest Europe. I always thought that was her own cockamamie idea, but I guess this theory is believed by some people?

I'm sure there are. There are people who believe in dowsing as well. Heck, there's a certified religion that's filled with A-grade celebrities that believe the earth was populated by a guy named Xenu that brought people to this world in a DC-8.

Of course, when pressed for some scientific base these people all have one thing in common...

Post: #12

(02-02-2013 04:06 PM)Garzero Wrote:  It's easy to understand why: in those countries, due to the coldness of climate and of the people, it's common that human beings, when in their childhood, don't receive the necessary affection to develop a loving feeling for everything concerning family, kids ecc.

What a bizarre idea! Some things in Scandinavian countries might have gone down the drain, but that's due to excessive feminism, not cold climate or "cold personality". I for one consider the northern people (which for me starts at Czech Republic / Germany and extends all the way north) far warmer and friendlier than the so-called "temperamental and energetic Mediterraneans".

Post: #13

(02-03-2013 12:45 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What a bizarre idea! Some things in Scandinavian countries might have gone down the drain, but that's due to excessive feminism, not cold climate or "cold personality". I for one consider the northern people (which for me starts at Czech Republic / Germany and extends all the way north) far warmer and friendlier than the so-called "temperamental and energetic Mediterraneans".

Replying to a silly stereotype with another silly stereotype? Here's one more:

Northern people aren't cold, they're bad actors (bad liars). Southern people aren't warm, they're just good actors (good liars). The "warmth" of the South is mostly theater. An Italian "friend" will give you a hug, perhaps to stab you in the back more easily. The name of the game is Sprezzatura.

The one thing I like about Scandinavians is their WYSIWYG-ness ("what you see is what you get"-ness). They almost seem infantile in their straightforwardness. Brazilians, Italians, Spanish... those are much harder to read.

Post: #14

[quote='Partizan' pid='361107' dateline='1359809741'

...a man who is a good provider and doesnt spend his days drinking Toilet Duck...
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Toilet Duck?

Seriously???