Post: #1

So my first post, I hope you guys are newbie friendly. I just started to drive cab and I am trying to find a balance between not being a creepy dude who asks girls for their numbers etc and making a smooth transition in doing so in a casual non threatening way since I am in a "professional" environment.

A few questions about what I should do in specific situations:

4 girls in the cab going out to the bar: I give one of them (not the one I actually want) my number in case they want to call me to pick them up again and I am 15/15 in the girl accepting my number but its too early to give stats on how many will call me back. I know you are supposed to get their number too but in this situation what would you do if you have 10 minutes to get the 1 of 4 girls number you want in front of their friends? (I will add a situation I spun off this in my 2nd post below)

Stigma of being a cab driver: Before I was showing insecurity by bringing up on my own that I actually went to college and am taking a break from my trade. I add I only drive part time nights and weekends because I came back to town for family reasons and I need a flexible schedule. Now I only do this if someone asks why I drive or how I got into this job. It always comes up because I am new and ask for directions a lot but I feel like I need to tell people that I am "more then just a cab driver". I should add I am driving around mostly University students in a highly rated school.

And just a general question about what you guys would do if you had a 10 minute window and you had only 1 girl in your cab. I find the use of "threads" as Roosh puts it, takes up way too much time in such a small time frame but at the same time I am kind of all over the place trying to prove to her I am not just a cab driver and talking about other awesome things about me without her uncovering them for herself. I have defaulted to finding out what their favorite bar in town is midway point and at the end of the ride saying "maybe I will see you at (her favorite bar)" and gauge her reaction and go for the number close if its positive.

Post: #2

With the 4 girls, I'd suggest being the fun guy. Get some cards made with only your name and number. If you have a fun fare give it to them and tell them to call when they need a ride.


btw- SAY it that way. "Give me a call when you need a ride." Do not be creepy about it.

How are you getting on what you do? Just be confident and fun. They know you drive a cab so don't talk about what you do. It seems as if you are bringing it up because you are embarrassed about driving a cab. If it comes up somehow, have a good story. You've got a project on kickstarter that will revolutionize online dating by eliminating the creeps. Whatever. Come up with something that will redirect the convo away from why you are driving a cab, that you can roll with.

Single girl? Ask her why a girl is going to such a place by herself? Roll from there.

Post: #3

(02-01-2013 05:23 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  With the 4 girls, I'd suggest being the fun guy. Get some cards made with only your name and number. If you have a fun fare give it to them and tell them to call when they need a ride.

I will post a specific situation below but in Roosh's book it sounds like I am fitting into the "entertainer" role which is a mistake or is it different when there are 4 girls instead of 1 on 1?

The entire 10 minutes I am making everyone laugh, being loud and confident armed with 1 liners and fun topics of conversation if there is a pause. 13 of the 15 times one of the girls hands me their phone to put my number in it and the other 2 I wrote down on a piece of paper. I am getting a lot of "you are the best/most fun/awesome" cab driver Ive ever had which is exactly when I tell them to call me if they need another ride. I don't need a premade card and IMO that would look super desperate and too try hard.

Quote:Single girl? Ask her why a girl is going to such a place by herself? Roll from there.

I meant in the day time, she is solo and taking a cab home from work. Not buzzed and going out to the bar.

Post: #4

How many of the 13 called?

Post: #5

This is in the past 3 days I handed my number out and the weekend isn't here until tonight so I will wait until Sunday to have any scientific data. But 2/15 so far. One of those 2 I got the entire group again 4 hours later and the hottest girl in the group I got a solo cab ride the next day.

Post: #6

Situation:

4 girls in the cab, already have beers in them. I have a bunch of openers like "should I add a disco ball inside here", "na, lets go to the lake and jump in instead" etc to get the ball rolling. I am loud, confident, and constantly am making all the girls laugh and in control of wherever the conversation goes.

8.5 sits up front with me, 6 in the back behind me. The 6 says "lawl" to something I say (as in lol) which is the most annoying thing in the world to me. I tell her how dumb it is to say “lawl” and that I prefer to use "roflcopter" in every day conversation instead. All 4 laugh. The 8.5 says "roflcopter is so gay, who would say that" and I then told her that the birthday tiara she was wearing looked gay. She defended the tiara, I persisted. She started to back peddle and started agreeing with me and I interrupted her and called her out on her back peddling and told her to stand her ground when she says something. I made fun of the tiara some more adding things like "its probably not your birthday" and how she probably wears it everywhere as normal fashion. I was playful and smiling at times but also direct. The 6 takes my side in all of this and is clearly giving the vibe she likes me. I play up how I like the 6 so much more then the 8.5 at this point. The entire mood never changed from light hearted and everyone laughing and having fun. I did directly flirt with the 8.5 when she went to pay, asking if she wanted me to put her card in the debit machine “gentle or fast”, she responded with a smile “moderate” and then she turned around to her friends and said I was making sexual innuendos. I acted aloof and said I was only talking about her paying the fare. At the end of the ride I tell the 6 if they ever needed another lift to call me and she hands me her phone to punch in my number.

The 6 calls me again 4 hours later. I go get them.
I keep the same fun vibe as the first ride but the 8.5 is directly behind me now, overly quiet and sitting beside a guy who wasn't on the first ride. The 6 is hitting on me hard and I am not giving in to her attention and being aloof/oblivious to the advances. There was little if any direct dialogue from me and the 8.5. I didn't want to single her out and it would look too much like I wanted her attention given the situation and position in the cab. She never responded to my open to everyone comments/questions and just seemed to sit back and let her friend try and get me. We arrive at destination and the 8.5 is already out of the cab when she out of the blue asks my name, I tell her and I get hers and she gives me one of those goodbyeeeees and in a last second panic I said I didn't get a chance to say happy birthday as she is about to walk away. (NOTE: if it was her asking me to sing her happy birthday, that is the last thing I am going to do) Huge mistake probably but at this point I got her in my cab again and didn't get a chance to talk to her and the possibility of never seeing her again was strong - and honestly, I didn't have the balls to ask her for her number in front of 3 other people in this situation despite the massive opening she gave me. I did playfully stop the happy birthday serenade at the "happy birthday dear _____" and said "wait what is your name again?" and interrupted her just as she was about to give me her name twice within the past 20 seconds. I then finished the song. She leaned back into the cab and gave me a hug then ran off.

The 8.5 texts me the next day. She needs a cab ride. You guys are probably scratching your eyeballs out at this point so I won't go into the rest but I am pretty sure I blew it with her solo since my game isn't strong enough.

Post: #7

My boss just txts me that a girl personally requested for me to pick her up today....

I really am starting to realize what a goldmine I am sitting on here. Need some more feedback to speed things up please!

Post: #8

Here's the thing that made you blow the 8.5. You got all desperate. It's your 3rd day. You should be relaxing if that's already happened because it will happen again. Come up with an entertaining backstory. Tell them you're writing a book or something. Tell them you're driving a cab for 3 months to see hoe many stories you can get from interesting people. Make them want to be the stars in your book. Make them qualify themselves as to why they should be worthy.

Post: #9

(02-01-2013 05:44 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Here's the thing that made you blow the 8.5. You got all desperate. It's your 3rd day. You should be relaxing if that's already happened because it will happen again. Come up with an entertaining backstory. Tell them you're writing a book or something. Tell them you're driving a cab for 3 months to see hoe many stories you can get from interesting people. Make them want to be the stars in your book. Make them qualify themselves as to why they should be worthy.

Jesus. I can tie this in with traveling and experiencing different cultures etc. You are a master sir.

One thing on traveling though, and as you can tell I am still pretty insecure about being labled as an unsuccessful cab driver. I talk about planning on moving to country X next year and not just going there for the tourist traps but to live there for months to really experience the culture and society. I like this line because most girls who travel have only visited tourist traps and moved to a different city to do the same thing the next day or 2. But I am not pulling massive money because they already know my profession. Am I thinking in to this way too much?

I realize that I probably blew it with the 8.5 because of what you said, but my story before I got her solo, was there any major mistakes?

Post: #10

(02-01-2013 05:54 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 05:44 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Here's the thing that made you blow the 8.5. You got all desperate. It's your 3rd day. You should be relaxing if that's already happened because it will happen again. Come up with an entertaining backstory. Tell them you're writing a book or something. Tell them you're driving a cab for 3 months to see hoe many stories you can get from interesting people. Make them want to be the stars in your book. Make them qualify themselves as to why they should be worthy.

Jesus. I can tie this in with traveling and experiencing different cultures etc. You are a master sir.

One thing on traveling though, and as you can tell I am still pretty insecure about being labled as an unsuccessful cab driver. I talk about planning on moving to country X next year and not just going there for the tourist traps but to live there for months to really experience the culture and society. I like this line because most girls who travel have only visited tourist traps and moved to a different city to do the same thing the next day or 2. But I am not pulling massive money because they already know my profession. Am I thinking in to this way too much?

Equate it to being a method actor who completely enmeshes himself in the character/culture. Example Christian Bale in The Machinist

Have a backstory on how it hit you that if you really wanted to get the down and dirty side of your thesis, you had to drive a cab. You've got an agent shopping the concept around now to publishers. Blah blah blah but back to you. What are you gals getting into?

Don't worry about the money, traveling for months at a time living in nice hotels or whathaveyou gives the mysterious factor a jump. "Is this guy a rich kid who's trying to experience something new?"

Or something like that. Paint the adventurous angle. Remember, you're making them qualify themselves. You don't have to prove shit. They wear tiara's and you make fun of them for it.

Post: #11

So here is my 10 minute routine for a solo girl mid day.

She approaches cab, I try to make eye contact with her and smile before she gets in if I can, and as a side note right off the bat, when the girl gets in the front seat and not the back it is an instant sign she is somewhat comfortable with me. I look way different then the cab driver she expects to see is my guess but smile and eye contact help too.

Opening line is set in stone, where are you going followed by "can you be my tour guide I just started doing this". I can't screw around, I have to make money so the cab has to be moving ASAP.

I used to talk about the weather next which is maximum cringe worthy. Now I will say "most students here have done traveling, what are the favorite places you've been too?"

Now I can't really script from this point because of conversation flow but I will add in parts about:

- The novel I am writing (its still mostly in point form with lots of pages scattered everywhere, still need more good material)
- Looking online for proper distribution, I want someone who will market me the best so I can share my experiences and findings with the most people possible, I don't care about who will pay me the most
- I like to tie in awesome bars ive been to in places other then my current city, asking which she likes to go to in our town and why
- ??? dont know yet, may not even have time for another subject here
- End of ride. Say "maybe I will see you at X bar sometime" that she mentioned before and gauge her reaction. Number close.

How is that?

Post: #12

(02-01-2013 05:23 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  With the 4 girls, I'd suggest being the fun guy. Get some cards made with only your name and number. If you have a fun fare give it to them and tell them to call when they need a ride.


btw- SAY it that way. "Give me a call when you need a ride." Do not be creepy about it.
This very good advice. I know a lot of cab drivers and what they're doing is giving girls a business card with their cell number on it as a way for them to reach them in case they need a return ride back or home. Another reason for the card and number is that many drivers want their customers to call the driver directly instead of calling the cab company, this way, the driver doesn't have to give a percentage of his fares to the company.
How are you getting on what you do? Just be confident and fun. They know you drive a cab so don't talk about what you do. It seems as if you are bringing it up because you are embarrassed about driving a cab. If it comes up somehow, have a good story. You've got a project on kickstarter that will revolutionize online dating by eliminating the creeps. Whatever. Come up with something that will redirect the convo away from why you are driving a cab, that you can roll with.

Single girl? Ask her why a girl is going to such a place by herself? Roll from there.

Post: #13

Right, but if I offer to give my number and 15 out of 15 times they take it, why do I need a card? I don't understand how this is better, you can lose a card, you may not punch it in your phone right away since they are about 15 feet away from the party when the cab stops. I am guaranteeing at least that my number is in their phone while a card does not do that.

5-6 give me their phone to punch it in and 6-8 punch my number in themselves. I tell them my name and add to put it in as "cab boy". I used to say "cute cab boy" and add "so you dont forget me" but I think that is too vein/desperate and now go with "Justin cab boy".

Post: #14

Did all four girls punch your number in?

Hand out four cards. Quick and easy.

Post: #15

I think you're getting too much satisfaction that these girls are putting your number, a taxi driver, into their phones.

However, I think you're probably improving in what you do as you've realised to cut out the cringey weather shite for example. You need to make the cab ride fun for them, which I'm sure you do, but give them your number or get their's on the pretense that you will meet each other again for a drink, not to be on call for them whenever they need a ride.

Build some comfort with her since she doesn't know you then get into a bit of light negging as Hotwheels said - "A single girl going to x place alone? Kind of lame isn't it missy?" and shoot her a cheeky smile. Get her qualifying. Start to get some info from other passengers about some of the more frequent night venues you're dropping cute girls off at or picking them up from or actually visit them yourself to get an understanding of the places. Then when you have them in the cab, you can make a DHV story about the place to get her interested.

"Oh, x bar? Isn't that the place with the y? I took a couple of mates there last week and the waitress gave me 2 rounds of free drinks because she said she liked my smile. You know the blonde girl? I think she said her name was z".

Some shit like that and build from there. The girl will then think about you being at the bar, what kind of guy you are etc and she may even do the "see you there some time maybe".

Never refer to yourself as "boy" either.

Post: #16

(02-01-2013 09:46 PM)MattC Wrote:  I think you're getting too much satisfaction that these girls are putting your number, a taxi driver, into their phones.

I have not fucked any of them yet so no I am not getting any satisfaction from this.

Quote:but give them your number or get their's on the pretense that you will meet each other again for a drink, not to be on call for them whenever they need a ride.

I highly doubt I get more then one call from the group that takes my number anyway and you have to remember I am using them as much as they would be using me in this situation. They have to wait longer since I am just 1 person and I may be busy, and I don't give discounts. I take the first time they directly call me as my only shot to get the girl in the group I want. I am 1 for 2 in doing this and I described what I did above AND in that situation it went wrong since the 8.5 had a dude, was in the worst spot in the cab, and wasn't playing along at all for the 2nd ride until she surprised me at the very end.

I know this is not optimal though which is why I asked for help. So after the first ride with a group of 4 I should just say to the hottest girl to give me her number? Or say something about me and a friend are going out in a couple days, we should meet up? How do I get the hottest one to come out without singling her out of her 4 friends? /confused

I will also concede that the card idea is better but I still won't do it since it might get me fired.

Post: #17

How many wings do you have that you can take out with you? If you've got a group of 4 girls in the car then it might be quite easy to get to a venue with them some time by suggesting you meet them some time in a bar that you and your mates are going to. DHV your mates too so it gives them a reason to think about coming. "I'm fun but x is way more fun than me, maybe too fun for you silly girls", "y is a bit of a bad boy , I think you'd like him (single out one of the girls you don't want). You look like his type of girl".

If you get them to a bar then you can isolate the hot one you want and go from there. Obviously solo girls and two girls will be different approaches.

Post: #18

Jaylow, you are going to be the guy pioneering cab game. We can only give you advice on how to integrate your backstory.

Regardless, you have to DHV yourself.

Your goal right now should be to figure this out. Getting laid should honestly come second.

Look at it from a detached perspective if you can.

Research what works, what doesn't. Go in not giving a fuck what they think.

Question for you:

Are you a good looking guy?

Are you well spoken or do you come off as a blue collar worker?

Do you fit the mold of Cabbie or could you be working in a high status job?

Are your jokes high brow humor? Do they fit your audience? Can you craft your game to the customers?

Offering up that you're writing a book can come up as you qualifying yourself.

You should say your back story almost reluctantly, as if you're letting them in on a secret. Drop it as bait, not as your calling card.

Speaking of cards, giving out cards should be an option, you need to experiment with that just like anything else. Don't forget, you are trying to make money to raise your station, not just bang.

Post: #19

One of the best questions I've found for building comfort is "what is your favourite childhood memory?" which I think you can integrate quite well.

Tell the girl you're planning on writing a book and say you're going to travel around a certain continent to meet different cultures.

Naturally you'll be asked what you're writing about. Then tell her you want to build a collection of people's happiest childhood memories and release them as a book.

Question her, get her to tell you. Run game. That's a good starting point for building comfort because she'll be happier to give you more details as you've bridged a gap, but it will also give you a DHV and get her asking questions about you.

Just a thought. Fuck, I wanna be a cab driver now.

Post: #20

@fisto

Ive been told many times I look 23-25 years old but about to turn 29. I am tall and muscular and white. I honestly don't know what I come off as, I tend to tone down the big words when talking to 19-22 age range, hence the use of ROFFLE-COPTER in the example I gave above. I always wear a really nice looking black zip up sweater with jeans but it doesn't look like I am dressed up or "trying". Winter coats get uncomfortable after 8 hours with heat anyway so it works perfect. I do not look like a cab driver, I am definitely not what they are expecting.

Yes I can craft my game to specific customers/age range/type of girls with practice but I run into the 19-21 crowd the most. 3-4 nights of the week there are a ton of students going to the bar and I would say I run into 10-15 8+'s a night who are almost always in a group of 3 or 4. A lot of the hottest ones have a girlfriend and 2 guys with her not 4 girls. I don't bring up sex or low brow type stuff. I don't think what I am saying is high brow either though, I am trying to put on a show saying random shit and trying to find excuses to poke fun at the hottest girl in the cab. I have way more confidence in the 2-3-4 person situation then a 1 on 1. I got 2 numbers last night and could have gotten more. Both situations it was 2 girls. I get anti social and weird sometimes, especially 1 on 1's - which is why I am here, to break out of this.

Sounds like I need to make dude friends to so I have more people to go out with and introduce these girls too, shouldn't be too hard to convince since I am doing a lot of the work. I have a circle of settled down type friends and a roommate that is more awkward then I am. Me and him are probably meeting one of the duo's tomorrow. Also going to add, I have been invited in girls houses a couple times, had 2 girls flash me their tits at the same time, countless shoulder massages and got jerked off by the front passenger with 3 of her friends in the back seat. If I had more balls I am sure I could have had fucked 2 diff girls last night on the spot but I am writing too much already and don't want to annoy you guys with questions from every situation. Don't take this as me bragging, I am a good looking dude with horrible game and you guys would have plowed through a lot of these girls already.

Post: #21

Fuck man, sounds like you are in a great position!

Keep us posted!

Post: #22

If you're getting invited into their homes, handy's while driving, etc I guess I fail to see the problem....

Post: #23

They are not the types of girls that I want? One of the situations the girl AND the dude were real eager to hang out. The girl jerking me off instantly stopped when I told her to put her lips on it. I still don't understand that one. Awkward.

Post: #24

1. Pay the dispatch to drop all female fares your way.

2. Take those ho's to after hours BYOB clubs when you pick them up at 2 a.m. Keep a bottle of vodka stashed in the trunk. Make sure your shift ends at 2 a.m.

3. Plant something in the back seat that looks like it came from the previous fare. Like a director, ect. You can work this a thousand ways.

4. Cab bling. Put something on the dash to spark conversation. Like a Cheech bobble head. You got to figure this one on out. Don't use the Cheech bobble head. I trademarked that one.

Post: #25

(02-02-2013 06:19 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  1. Pay the dispatch to drop all female fares your way.

2. Take those ho's to after hours BYOB clubs when you pick them up at 2 a.m. Keep a bottle of vodka stashed in the trunk. Make sure your shift ends at 2 a.m.

3. Plant something in the back seat that looks like it came from the previous fare. Like a director, ect. You can work this a thousand ways.

4. Cab bling. Put something on the dash to spark conversation. Like a Cheech bobble head. You got to figure this one on out. Don't use the Cheech bobble head. I trademarked that one.

1) Impossible to do, plus I am new and dispatch has friends hes known that have been out for 20 years doing this. Plus I am sure even the older guys are getting laid once in a while and when its bar time all the cars sit in a line and you get whoever goes in your cab. 10pm-3am I am not listening to dispatch at all. I can pick the zone in the city I am working out of such as the University when they are going out and the bar scene when they are going home. 3-4 days a week I am getting a nonstop flow of students from 10pm to 3am. Sometimes its dudes, 10% of the time its older people, but over 50% of the time its cute girl(s).

2) I have never heard of a BYOB club here ever but maybe I am just out of the loop. Would work well for me so I will ask some people next time I get a chance. I do need a neutral ground non threatening environment to have drinks though. Good call.

3) Awesome idea but I don't really need random things to talk about. I am too busy building keno and poking fun at the girl. It is almost always a 3-10 minute time frame I am working with. What could I have that is mine in the back seat that would spark interest in me that didn't look intentional?

Ohh just thought of something, how about a map of a country or a couple printed pages on exotic countries with facts about them? Cab drivers sit around a lot and we need things to read. Leads right into my plans to travel to x country etc. HMMMMM. This would be awesome for day time driving.

4) I do this as a conversation opener with the "should I get a disco ball in here?" line. Again, I have a small time frame so talking about random objects for over a minute is probably going to work against me. I thought about my own music, but I think decorating the cab is unnecessary. I have her in my cab, I don't need a weird excuse to talk to the girls, they are already in my world and are expected to converse with me.