Post: #26

(01-15-2013 06:31 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Guys who say DC isn't bad has to list all the other cities they got laid in. Let's see what they're comparing it to.

El banged 3 chicks in one day up there. Can't be that bad.

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Post: #27

It's not that DC isn't bad. I'm saying it's not the deathknell everyone's making out to be. I still have an easier time getting laid pretty much anywhere else in the country.

That being said, I still get laid on a regular basis (usually 1-2 new chicks a month on top of my existing harem, only going out maybe once or twice a week at most) by 6-8's, median being a 7.

One important thing : The men here are just as bad as the women.

You go out at night, you will see some hot girls, a decent amount of cute ones, and the rest ugly/chubby. But you gotta remember: Most of the GUYS are SO FUCKING HERBY. Beardy slightly chubby beta orbiter types. Throw in a bunch of creepy as shit Arabs/black guys and it isn't even close. I got laid on X-Mas weekend by two girls two different nights: They approached ME (one was wasted and said : hey! finally ! a hot guy!)

All the better looking guys hang out in Arlington/Clarendon, but the chicks are better there too. Unfortunately (or fortunately) for me, I HATE the personality types of people in that area because...

Quote:There are definitely some hot white chicks, but they are all into your generic white upper middle class Abercrombie frat boy types.

^Bingo. I don't even bother with most white girls anyways, even though I secretly love them. For the same effort to snag a white 6, I could bag an Asian/Indian/Arab/Mixed 7.5 or 8.

Post: #28

I don't think I have ever seen it articulated in the DC-hate threads that it's a white girl problem, i.e. white 6's think they're 8's. I guess if this is your target demo then DC would be more of a problem (it's still not great).

Post: #29

(01-14-2013 10:52 PM)rakishness Wrote:  Me too.

What i find interesting is how old the RVF is(2008?)....yet not ONE positive detailed trip report from DC.

I think there has been a few, but they piss a lot of people off.

If you say positive things about certain cities on here (basically big upping someone elses hometown, people get really, really angry, and hurt).

People also have to realize that you can have very different perspectives on the same city. For instance, the same guy living in a city on a tight budget with poor logistics is going to have a vastly different experience than him steaming in for a few days on an unlimited budget with great logistics.

(01-15-2013 10:15 AM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  One important thing : The men here are just as bad as the women.

I have made this point a lot of times on here.

The guys there aren't doing themselves any favors.

Side note:

Guys who grew up in DC are cool as hell. It's the guy who move there that are terrible.

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Remember, DC is the home of William De Vaughn. So the place can't be all bad, when it is the home of quite possibly the greatest track of all time:

Post: #30

(01-15-2013 09:20 AM)bacan Wrote:  I actually kind of LIKE the fact that DC is not swarming with gorgeous women because ... I'm not constantly stressed about the beautiful women walking around.

I remember ... the horrible frustration of seeing drop dead gorgeous girls all the time ... that I'd give my left nut to fuck.

Yeah, I hated when I dated supermodels, only to feel upstaged when a prettier supermodel walked by. I contemplated getting a life sentence in a mens prison. But Washington, D.C., seemed like a better option.

Post: #31

(01-14-2013 01:49 PM)HawkUnit Wrote:  Fellas,

I'm looking at a career change during the summer. The job in the DC area (Bethesda, to be specific) pays almost 3x as much as the same job in Houston, Tx. I will be in either one or the other for four years. I have never heard a positive thing about the opportunities in DC or its surrounding areas on these forums or from Roosh's literature. Naturally, the money is a huge thing, not to mention I am going to be incredibly busy anyway, but at the same time, it's a pretty dark day when there is absolutely nothing to look at. Any insight into these two respective cities would be much appreciated as I try to make what will ultimately be a pretty serious life decision. I'm currently 32 and tend to (typically) dial in on women in their early or mid 20's. I am much obliged for the thoughts.

Based on the above you're saying that you already live on a "1x"...

To live in general even If we assume you career sucks (doesn't sound like it)... Lets put you at 50K...150K is a 3x....Whatever lifestyle you are living now just transfer that to DC and live with roomates. After that would spend the remainder

100K = ~65K post tax... and split that in half... you gets 30K+.... You can literally go to NYC every weekend. It's a $100-150 flight...Even if you use 300 per flight that's still only 15.5K.

That would be the answer and you still save that other half of it. Call DC a bust a move on. 3x is a ton of money. I would live there for 4 years with a 3 bagger on income for sure, just adjust.

This is very similar to going to an elite school and then partying on weekends at the party school an hour away.

Post: #32

So much to touch upon but I'll start with the OP's main question: Should he consider moving to DC for 3x the salary?

Whew, even for the 3x the money and utilizing the airport-every-weekend strategy, I have to say it's close. I still might not do it. I wrote a post on this yesterday. Thankfully, I'll be leaving DC in my rearview mirror for NYC quite soon:

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Now, as many above have noted, you can just bank that money over a few years and head straight to the airport every weekend. (G was right about that. The aviation links, both domestic and international, are superb and get you anywhere worldwide. Union Station is convenient too, and you're in NYC within 3.5 hours. Though there aren't women to match, the standard of living in DC is high. I'll give it that.)

The airport strategy is precisely the life I've lived for four years. I've had some wonderful experiences and snared plenty of talent in some fun spots. I look back and have some awesome memories. But they're all outside of DC. That's insane.

Life doesn't need to be that way. Trust me, you might have more cash in the bank, but I assure you it gets old having to get on an airplane everytime you want to bang an 8+.

I did see a couple guys on here say they were content with DC and could get laid here. But every time, they leave quality out of the picture. Sure, you can get laid in DC. We've all done it. Roosh has covered this well many times. Remember, the question isn't whether you can get laid.

The overriding question in the prime of a young man's life, for me at least, is whether you can consistently rotate several 8s and 9s within your desired target market. Period. If you are unable do that in your city, I would tell you it's time to relocate to a place where you can.

Of course, I've banged a couple 8's here, even had a half-decent rotation of two 8's and a 7.5 going last summer. (For DC, that's actually quite an achievement). But again, that's not consistent. Therefore, it's not enough.

I know the money is tempting. But it's not worth that much here. Trust me, I want for nothing. I have all the logistics. Spacious one bedroom dead-center of town, rooftop pool, car, private parking, all the amenities, you name it. Never once has it been a deciding factor in whether I closed a girl.

(01-14-2013 04:53 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  I think hating on D.C. is played out and tired, it's the trendy thing to do on this forum, just like railing against "feminists". In all reality it's not that bad, and a lot of guys who are whining about D.C. would probably be whining just about any place they're at. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it's more or less the truth.

OGNorCal - Always enjoy your posts man. I understand your take on many of the posters on DC. You probably feel many of them, perhaps myself included, are merely bitching with a "grass is greener" attitude, that these are just guys who'd be unhappy anywhere they were. Not true. It really is that bad. (Although with my regular travels, I can say with conviction -- The grass is indeed greener).

Personally, I think why you see so much hate for DC on here is that it simply doesn't reward cold, hard game in the manner of other cities. It's that simple.

DC is EXTREMELY slanted towards social circle pickup. Are there 9's here? Yes. But 95 percent of the time, they're banging someone within their own social circle. They didn't get picked up. I hear guys ask all the time: Could you "work your way" into one of these G'town or Capitol Hill-oriented circles? Sure, I've spent far too much time in both places and can say with confidence, it simply isn't worth the effort required.

I am one of the most optimistic people you'll ever meet. Anything can be done. Want to rotate models? Date some hot actresses in LA? You can do it. People do it every day, and they're really no different than you. People do it. That means you can do it.

I am also an avid gambler. I know odds, and react to odds. And I know that you have an exponentially better shot at regularly snaring 8+ level quality when you're out of DC. Girls (even 6's) in this city have an attitude that is downright toxic compared to many cities.

Thus, if you're trying to game a 9, she simply WILL NOT respond in the same fashion a 9 will in, say, regular cities like Nashville or Charlotte. Even in New York, I've noticed a pronounced difference.

I'd really like some posters on here that have never been to DC to get here for one night only and try to pull an 8 on a random night. You'd be floored and it would be entertaining to hear the input. Ha, on second thought I have a better idea. Let's just all go out in Vegas.

As always - See you at the airport.


HawkUnit - (PM me if you like man. I'll run you through the pros/cons of this place. The salary cut vs. salary increase is exactly the same dilemma I faced. Best of luck.)

Post: #33

Grew up in the area, just left again after a few months. DC is shit. Can't exaggerate or reiterate enough to get the point across, and if DC is shit, you can't fathom how bad a DC suburb is.

Post: #34

As many have already noted, it seems like a no-brainer if the income is just shy of 3x in DC. However, being that I am already 32, that means I will be 36 before I am eligible to move to one of the more target-rich environments, which, from my perspective, is comfortably into the downhill slope of marketability as a bachelor. In other words, it's a matter of measuring the value of being a bachelor in a good venue during a more eligible time of your life vs. the value of straight up dollar signs. 32-36 are premium years to simply lay on the altar for a beefier IRA.

Money is not a huge contributor to my quality of life; I've roughed it for many years without a problem, but an amount of cash that sizable will definitely give me pause. However, did I mention that the job in Houston is in the Texas Medical Center (a medical "city"), which includes two medical schools, nursing school, PA school, and a wealth of treatment/research facilities? I'm not the expert that many forum regulars are, but buzzwords like "student," "nurse," and "medical staff" have all been good to me when it comes to women. Also, I'll throw in that Rice University is literally right across the street.

I'm going to be able to comfortably retire at 55 or 60 with either choice; it's just a matter of deciding what's more important for the next four years. I will also throw out there that Texas offers the opportunity to live close to family, which DC and Maryland both definitely do not.

Post: #35

I find it funny that people that don't live in bad places are always saying things like "it can't be that bad", "tighten up your game" or they had a friend who did alright there.
I live in the DC of Canada, Toronto which is a complete waste of time. I feel your pain and you have a tough decision to say the least.
You have four years to stack some nice money which will set you up for the future. I am older than you and cannot stress how important this is, in addition I am sure that the job is decent and that will help you for your next gig. DC is a great hub, I know for starters you get direct flights to Iceland. As you mentioned, you are a few hours away from NYC by train and a few hours away from Florida by plane.
The four years will go quickly and you are still young at 36, you will always be marketable as a bachelor as long as you have money.
As for Texas, I am hearing alot of noise about it lately and it is all positive. To be honest I am very curious about this state, more so than California.
I also feel for anybody that has to live in a city similar to Toronto, again in your case it is only temporary.

Post: #36

I will say this: DC made me a better person, because it forced me to learn game. I remember that precise chain of events. The demand conditions necessitate you to improve your game; kind of like how Japan industrialized with no natural resources after WWII, or the US beat Russia to the moon after Sputnik. I should thank DC. But you're already here so that's not really any help to you.

Post: #37

Your income is going up x3

Median Price of a 3-Br house in Houston MSA: $167K

Median Price of a 3-Br house in DC MSA: $362K (and a hell of a lot higher the few places where hot girls are - and Bethesda is very expensive and full of ugly post wall women)

Keep in mind that the price of almost everything adjusts accordingly. I really doubt the quality of women does.

It may not be nearly as much as a raise as you think.

Post: #38

(01-14-2013 10:37 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Yeah Arlington has fully completed it's transformation into a yuppie paradise. I remember growing up parts of Arlington were kind of hood, shit there was a whole housing project next to my middle school that was full of MS-13 gangs. Now it seems like every neighborhood like that has been bulldozed to build luxury high rise condos or townhouses.

What part of Arlington did you live in that was considered hood? Just curious since I grew up in Arlington too.

Post: #39

(01-14-2013 04:53 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  I think hating on D.C. is played out and tired, it's the trendy thing to do on this forum, just like railing against "feminists". In all reality it's not that bad, and a lot of guys who are whining about D.C. would probably be whining just about any place they're at. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it's more or less the truth.

Interestingly, my only SNL so far in DC is a girl who was visiting from NorCal.

Post: #40

(01-17-2013 10:55 AM)jammer Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 10:37 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Yeah Arlington has fully completed it's transformation into a yuppie paradise. I remember growing up parts of Arlington were kind of hood, shit there was a whole housing project next to my middle school that was full of MS-13 gangs. Now it seems like every neighborhood like that has been bulldozed to build luxury high rise condos or townhouses.

What part of Arlington did you live in that was considered hood? Just curious since I grew up in Arlington too.

Pretty sure he grew up in South Arlington by Columbia Pike area. When I was going to HS in the 90s that place was rough with Hispanic gangs around Wakefield HS and plenty of fights...

Anyways, I agree with all posters here who say DC is crap. I've been to 41 capitals during my lifetime including some shitholes in Eastern Europe and I gotta say this is one of the worst for picking up women so much so that personally I've been on unwanted celibacy this year in DC and it is not for lack of trying

Post: #41

(02-05-2013 09:53 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  Pretty sure he grew up in South Arlington by Columbia Pike area. When I was going to HS in the 90s that place was rough with Hispanic gangs around Wakefield HS and plenty of fights...

I grew up on Columbia Pike too (coincidentally in the 90's too). Its a rough place by white people standards, but its not all that rough. Though fortunately I was young at the time so I had no chance at being in a gang.

Post: #42

(01-15-2013 10:31 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 09:20 AM)bacan Wrote:  I actually kind of LIKE the fact that DC is not swarming with gorgeous women because ... I'm not constantly stressed about the beautiful women walking around.

I remember ... the horrible frustration of seeing drop dead gorgeous girls all the time ... that I'd give my left nut to fuck.

Yeah, I hated when I dated supermodels, only to feel upstaged when a prettier supermodel walked by. I contemplated getting a life sentence in a mens prison. But Washington, D.C., seemed like a better option.

OK that was dumb. It's true that I do not have that stress of constantly wondering if my game is not up to par but I am tired of the mediocre girls here already.

Oh well I'll be in south america again shortly

Post: #43

(02-07-2013 02:01 AM)bacan Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 10:31 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 09:20 AM)bacan Wrote:  I actually kind of LIKE the fact that DC is not swarming with gorgeous women because ... I'm not constantly stressed about the beautiful women walking around.

I remember ... the horrible frustration of seeing drop dead gorgeous girls all the time ... that I'd give my left nut to fuck.

Yeah, I hated when I dated supermodels, only to feel upstaged when a prettier supermodel walked by. I contemplated getting a life sentence in a mens prison. But Washington, D.C., seemed like a better option.

OK that was dumb. It's true that I do not have that stress of constantly wondering if my game is not up to par but I am tired of the mediocre girls here already.

Oh well I'll be in south america again shortly

I'm making my reservations for Warsaw, Poland & Kiev, Ukraine as I write this on Orbitz for late March for a "scouting mission" so I can escape this shit-hole for dating which is DC. Were it not for my good job i'd be so outta here.

Post: #44

Sunday night 18th street lounge is where the women will be... drink and dance and you will get laid. if you can't dance, oh well.

Post: #45

(01-16-2013 02:36 PM)HawkUnit Wrote:  As many have already noted, it seems like a no-brainer if the income is just shy of 3x in DC. However, being that I am already 32, that means I will be 36 before I am eligible to move to one of the more target-rich environments, which, from my perspective, is comfortably into the downhill slope of marketability as a bachelor.

You have to get rid of that modern day feminine thinking.

36 is not even prime years yet.

Post: #46

(02-12-2013 12:06 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-16-2013 02:36 PM)HawkUnit Wrote:  As many have already noted, it seems like a no-brainer if the income is just shy of 3x in DC. However, being that I am already 32, that means I will be 36 before I am eligible to move to one of the more target-rich environments, which, from my perspective, is comfortably into the downhill slope of marketability as a bachelor.

You have to get rid of that modern day feminine thinking.

36 is not even prime years yet.

It depends on the person. I'm 35 and am definitely not in my prime years yet. I also run three to seven miles a day religiously, never eat sugar or fast food, and never drink alcohol unless I'm on vacation. I'm considering quitting alcohol altogether. There are plenty of guys who are 25 and are past their prime. There are also plenty of guys who are 50, 60, or 70 who are in their prime.

Post: #47

(01-14-2013 03:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  One advantage that people don't talk about with DC, is that it has some decent airports.

And is pretty well geographically situated for US and International travel.

Doesn't it also have a train system that goes to NYC, Philly, Boston, etc.?

Post: #48

(01-14-2013 01:49 PM)HawkUnit Wrote:  Fellas,

I'm looking at a career change during the summer. The job in the DC area (Bethesda, to be specific) pays almost 3x as much as the same job in Houston, Tx. I will be in either one or the other for four years. I have never heard a positive thing about the opportunities in DC or its surrounding areas on these forums or from Roosh's literature. Naturally, the money is a huge thing, not to mention I am going to be incredibly busy anyway, but at the same time, it's a pretty dark day when there is absolutely nothing to look at. Any insight into these two respective cities would be much appreciated as I try to make what will ultimately be a pretty serious life decision. I'm currently 32 and tend to (typically) dial in on women in their early or mid 20's. I am much obliged for the thoughts.

Sure DC gets called "Hollywood for ugly people", but I haven't heard much about Houston being some amazing mecca of hot women either.

And for 3 times the money you can certainly do a lot more traveling when you do have time.

Post: #49

Guys, a very good friend of mine has job offers in both cities. Both jobs have similar pay and salary progression.

Houston - 85k and DC - 110k

He has not visited either place, but he told me that he is slightly leaning towards DC because

1) Houston is always on the list for the fattest cities in the US, and he hates fat/thick girls
2) He has some family in MD and Richmond, VA

I know DC is pretty terrible, but I don't know if Houston is much better. There seems to be very little written about Houston on this board.

Should I try to change his mind on the basis of his first point?

Post: #50

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