Post: #1

but I realized today, I never let it go down. I made the choice to take it, but hid from myself and from the world that I actually ingested it. I had just let it sit there.

Two things happened today.

1. I saw a guy in his early 30's with 3 kids and a pretty hot wife about the same age.

They had 3 kids, a newborn and two youngins.

The whole time, the wife was putting the little boy in his place, constantly nagging him, while taking care of the newborn. The husband just had the little girl in his lap and she was crying and complaining constantly.

I ended up greeting him and shaking his hand, and in that moment, all my senses converged to sent one thought skyrocketing into my consciousness: this is what a beta looks like when time is allowed to take its course.

Sure the wife was attractive, but she obviously had all the power in the relationship, and the husband was a compliant beta who provided tons of material wealth (name brand everything, etc).

But what really moved me was how miserable the whole experience was. I was forced to stand within a few feet of him for a solid hour and I have never been happier to be a single guy than the moment I was able to leave his presence. His happy, compliant, weak face just screamed Beta.

2. My current girlfriend, who is flying over to see me tomorrow, called me tonight to tell me she got her first tatttoo.

At first I was excited for her.

Then, after she sent me a picture, it hit me. I was not excited. It was trashy as fuck. Any thoughts I might have entertained about this girl raising my children went out the window in a second. I realized that I have nothing against tattoos, I just find them incredibly masculine. In a hookup, the number of tattoos usually indicate pretty well how easy a girl will be to get in bed. In a long term girlfriend, who I'm introducing to my parents tomorrow, it's a huge fucking turnoff.

Now the funny thing is, this girl has the nicest personality. As in a random stranger on the street would never be able to actually guess her cock count and the type of guys she goes for, how dirty and nasty and rough she likes in bed. Her S&M fetish, the fact that she begs me to give me BJ's, and genuinely likes them more than me.


.... so anyways, it all hit me at once. I just let go, and I'm like... why the fuck am I stressing about this tattoo. I've got a bad ass bitch who is paying for her own flight to come see me, suck my dick, and fuck me on demand. She can cook like a motherfucker, I'm living the dream, and here I am finding things to complain about.

She is what she is, a hypergamous bitch, who gets what she wants. She told me after we fucked the first time that she wanted me because nobody ever sexually intimidated her like me before. She guessed I had at a minimum of 70 notch counts, when in fact the number is well under 10. What she wants is my exclusive cock.

What I realized today, is that she would be perfectly fine being my number 1 girl in a rotation. I've never had the mindset to have a rotation before, and I've held true to my conservative values I was raised with, fucked 1 girl at a time, hoping to meet a real lady one day who I would want to settle down with and have raise my children.

This girl was the closest I ever seen to that goal. And day after day I realize how far she is. And it kept bringing me down. But.... TODAY I finally swallowed the red pill, some real ZEN shit, and just stopped giving a fuck. Stopped trying to see her as something she wasn't, and just learned to appreciate what I have.

I have a bitch who is the best of both worlds. She has an oozing feminine aura outside of the bedroom, and is a sex slave to the extreme in the bedroom. Time to celebrate, and start looking for my next conquest.

Hello fellas, the red pill washed over me in a way I've never felt before. Is it a happy feeling? Not particularly. It's kind of sad. But it is in fact, incredibly peaceful.

It's like I was rejecting reality, twisting it, trying to make it something that I wanted. Now I'm in the zone, I not only see it for what it is, but I accept it for what it is.

For those who have read Atlas Shrugged, its like I thought A was a, when in fact A is A. It's subtle. But it means the world.

Fuck marriage. Can't wait to get my first harem started.

Post: #2

I can't remember if it was Roosh or Heartiste who said it, something like,

"Being successful with women has been more disillusioning than being unsuccessful."

Post: #3

Did she ask you what you thought about getting a tattoo before she got it?

(Bitch defense: "I don't need your permission... yadda..."
Guy: "I never said anything about permission. Just thought a heads-up would be considerate.")

Her being that impulsive ain't good.
As for "niceness" --that shit can turn on a dime. Depends how long/well you know her. She will always have certain expectations, even when unvoiced.

Anyway... the red pill went down. Keep her in rotation, but maintain perspective.
It may seem sadder, but one realizes the weight of certain illusions/delusions lifting is liberating.

good luck

Post: #4

(01-07-2013 02:14 AM)godofwar Wrote:  the red pill washed over me in a way I've never felt before. Is it a happy feeling? Not particularly. It's kind of sad.

I've said this a million times on this forum, and few people ever agree with me.

Discovering the true nature of reality and the true nature of women never made me "sad". In fact, it made me happy.

You are learning the truth. Women are much easier then you had ever imagined. That is good news.

Imagine a world where every woman waited until marriage until she had sex. And, she only banged one guy her whole life. And, they didn't suck cock, swallow cum, do anal, have threesomes, make porn, etc, etc. Now, that would be sad.

God didn't make women that way. He made them sexual. Be thankful. Thank you Lord!!!

I think guys get sad because they realize that their parents, teachers, and culture has been lying to them all these years.

Finding out that girls are slutty should not make any man sad!

Post: #5

(01-10-2013 04:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(01-07-2013 02:14 AM)godofwar Wrote:  the red pill washed over me in a way I've never felt before. Is it a happy feeling? Not particularly. It's kind of sad.

I've said this a million times on this forum, and few people ever agree with me.

Discovering the true nature of reality and the true nature of women never made me "sad". In fact, it made me happy.

You are learning the truth. Women are much easier then you had ever imagined. That is good news.

Imagine a world where every woman waited until marriage until she had sex. And, she only banged one guy her whole life. And, they didn't suck cock, swallow cum, do anal, have threesomes, make porn, etc, etc. Now, that would be sad.

God didn't make women that way. He made them sexual. Be thankful. Thank you Lord!!!

I think guys get sad because they realize that their parents, teachers, and culture has been lying to them all these years.

Finding out that girls are slutty should not make any man sad!

This whole red pill thing is about girls? I thought it was a mainstream thing..

Edit: I read the wiki on it again.

Post: #6

(01-10-2013 04:31 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  This whole red pill thing is about girls? I thought it was a mainstream thing..

I don't know what this whole "red pill" thing is about. All I know is that in "The Matrix", you had to take the "red pill" to see the real world.

Getting married is blue pill. Being a playboy is red pill. Thats as far as I know.

I'm gonna do a thread about it so me and you can get the answers we are looking for!?!

Post: #7

(01-10-2013 04:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I've said this a million times on this forum, and few people ever agree with me.

Discovering the true nature of reality and the true nature of women never made me "sad". In fact, it made me happy.

You are learning the truth. Women are much easier then you had ever imagined. That is good news.

Truth will let you free but first it will piss you off. I think it takes some maturity to appreciate the true nature of things.

I find it actually super fucking funny to subtly imply some harsh thing in the conversations with my friends or with new girls. Like for example I hint how to get into a relationship properly haha it's funny to see confusion. Just like they heard that there is no fucking santa clause

But let's be honest, it is not fun to hear "your whole life you were wrong" and realize that previous years/decades of our lives we were wrong. Everyone thinks he's right. Ouch

Post: #8

(01-10-2013 04:38 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 04:31 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  This whole red pill thing is about girls? I thought it was a mainstream thing..

I don't know what this whole "red pill" thing is about. All I know is that in "The Matrix", you had to take the "red pill" to see the real world.

Getting married is blue pill. Being a playboy is red pill. Thats as far as I know.

I'm gonna do a thread about it so me and you can get the answers we are looking for!?!

I don't really care. It's not like I can talk about it with people during the day..

Ohh you don't take your car to the Benz dealer for $3500 services anymore?

Glad to see you've decided to take the red pill.

WTF?

Is having a girlfriend blue pill?

Post: #9

(01-10-2013 04:46 PM)XXL Wrote:  Truth will let you free but first it will piss you off. I think it takes some maturity to appreciate the true nature of things.

I find it actually super fucking funny to subtly imply some harsh thing in the conversations with my friends or with new girls. Like for example I hint how to get into a relationship properly haha it's funny to see confusion. Just like they heard that there is no fucking santa clause

But let's be honest, it is not fun to hear "your whole life you were wrong" and realize that previous years/decades of our lives we were wrong. Everyone thinks he's right. Ouch

You're right, its hard to adjust your paradigm and worldview.

My parents never lied to me. They never told me to get married. They encouraged me to be a bachelor.

My grandma just told me on Christmas --"Be thankful you don't have a wife and kids"

My other grandma told me years ago -- "experience as many different women as you can"

Some of us were born into the "real world". Was anyone else born "red pill"???

Post: #10

(01-10-2013 04:50 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 04:38 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  [quote='el mechanico' pid='345120' dateline='1357853512']
This whole red pill thing is about girls? I thought it was a mainstream thing..

I don't know what this whole "red pill" thing is about. All I know is that in "The Matrix", you had to take the "red pill" to see the real world.

Getting married is blue pill. Being a playboy is red pill. Thats as far as I know.

I'm gonna do a thread about it so me and you can get the answers we are looking for!?!

I think a lot of people throw this red pill/blue pill around now without even thinking about what it actually means.

Some of the married guys I've met are the most enlightened cats I know, even if you just want to apply the dichotomy to male/female dynamics. You don't have to be single to be a man who "gets it" and is in control of your shit.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #11

(01-10-2013 04:56 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I think a lot of people throw this red pill/blue pill around now without even thinking about what it actually means.

Some of the married guys I've met are the most enlightened cats I know. You don't have to be single to be a man who "gets it" and is in control of your shit.

Thanks for correcting me. I don't fucking know what I'm talking about sometimes???

(01-10-2013 04:50 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I don't really care.

Thats why I love you (homo) (dipset all day)

Post: #12

(01-10-2013 04:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 04:56 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I think a lot of people throw this red pill/blue pill around now without even thinking about what it actually means.

Some of the married guys I've met are the most enlightened cats I know. You don't have to be single to be a man who "gets it" and is in control of your shit.

Thanks for correcting me. I don't fucking know what I'm talking about sometimes???

hahaha I think that statement (question?) adequately applies to every single guy on this forum. If not every person that exists.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #13

I felt sad the first time I swallowed a 1/4 red-pill- aka banging girls w/in a week of meeting. To banging girls first night, to getting my D sucked in less than 5 total words to the girl. Its a def ladder, and it seems like every 3-4 months, something shocks me again.

Its like saying good-bye to utopian dreams and imaginary comforts.

Personally, it took 1 year of semi-redpill and lots of alcohol and weed to internalize semi-red pill.

2 weeks of double red-pill everyday in your face to swallow that mentality fully and come full circle.

Now, I come to accept that my control on any romantic situation is very limited....Now, I just roll with it and lets the tide take me wherever and hope I have the courage and strength to swim back to shore.

Post: #14

Banging slutz is easy. Keeping a wife happy is difficult.

Does that make blue pill guys more alpha?

Seriously though I do at times think we have a little too much info here. If you know too much it could burn you.

Post: #15

(01-10-2013 05:24 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Banging slutz is easy. Keeping a wife happy is difficult.

Does that make blue pill guys more alpha?

Being a free man is easy. Being a slave is difficult.

Does that make slaves more alpha?

Post: #16

Well if nothing else I'm glad to see someone dislikes tattoos on women as much as I do. Guess that makes me ***sexist,*** today's version of a mortal sin, apparently. Too bad. In the same way most normal women don't want to see a dress on a man, I don't want to see a tattoo on a woman. I make no apologies and neither should godofwar.

Godofwar suggested this, but I think it needs to be directly said: In much the way women put a certain guy in the friendzone, we need to start putting tattooed women in the "hookup zone." Tattoos represent other issues that will crop up. They're "symbolic" in ways their owners didn't quite mean for them to be.

On a related note:

I was going through the DailyMotion video site and stumbled upon a bunch of spring break wet t-shirt contests from 2002. I don't usually like this kind of "teasing" semi-porn, but found myself oddly entranced. Why? Then it hit me: NONE OF THE COLLEGE GIRLS HAD TATTOOS TEN YEARS AGO!! And the one that did was a fat freak who got ushered off the stage. Ew.

Conclusion: even the mediocre women in these videos retained some semblance of femininity because their bodies were nature's bodies. Call me old-fashioned or a prude, but I can't get off on tattoos. So godofwar does not need to feel alone.

Post: #17

I like the AS reference.

Be careful, people believe something because they want to believe it, or because they're afraid it's true. (that's a little Terry Goodkind wisdom)

Your default "wanting" for her to be LTR material can trick you into overlooking things.

Also, Marcus Aurelius wrote quite a bit about seeing things as they actually are, and how the ugly truth was less damaging to you than the ignorance of something.

Post: #18

(01-07-2013 02:14 AM)godofwar Wrote:  Fuck marriage. Can't wait to get my first harem started.

At least you had a realization before taking the plunge. I have a similar background to yours in the sense that I believed in conservative values BUT I became that guy with 3 kids you noted, unlike you.

I wish I had gotten out of my beta tendencies when I was much younger. Good for you that you figured it out early.

Post: #19

Be careful of treating shorthand abstractions as concrete things. They aren't.

Red pill, blue pill, and especially liberal and conservative can hide things more than they reveal.

If you ask 50 different men who think they know what red pill is, you'll get 50 different answers. It' s more interesting and fun and accurate to talk about specific, concrete things.

Like tattoos on women, God I hate them.

It shows:
1) Narcissism -- couldn't she have spent that money on books or a movie, something beside self-"adornment" ( mutiliation if you ask me)
2) Short planning horizon. It's going to look like shit when you're 40.
3) Lack of appreciation of natural beauty. If she thinks THAT looks good, she is less likely to realize LARD looks BAD.

Post: #20

(01-07-2013 05:46 PM)Sombro Wrote:  As for "niceness" --that shit can turn on a dime. Depends how long/well you know her. She will always have certain expectations, even when unvoiced.

All of them are nice when the relationship starts.... then if you marry* her, see what happens.

*Don't try this at home

Post: #21

With regard to the original poster - dude congrats I know what that feeling is like.

The day that it sunk in for me was like an epiphany. I texted the girl that I was banging and for the first time in our relationship she didn't respond immediately - but I didn't care. I said ok, I've seen several of my bang relationships come to an end just like this before and I know what it means and I truly don't care, it didn't phase me. I just said ok cool, back to okcupid. (Ironically, she hit me back a few hours later and invited me over to bone, and we've been boning now for a couple months)

The big problem with most guy's mentality is that they're always trying to shoehorn a girl that they've just banged into the girlfriend role. Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. The right mentality is that she might get to be your girlfriend if shes lucky.

Once you let go of the eagerness to be attached to a woman, you've fully swallowed the red pill.

Post: #22

so, to anyone following this thread...

six months later I realize that swallowing the red pill and living the red pill are two different things.

i don't have a harem yet. i let myself get too involved with this girl because she was so good in bed and easily the hottest girl i've ever fucked. i had a very hard time battling one-itis, and even succombed at one point. but i can write this now because i can move on.

but, i learned a valuable red pill lesson in the past six months.

once you fuck and girl, and you fuck her right, she is yours. i don't ever plan on getting into a relationship with a girl. they don't even need them to keep sucking dick on the regular.

months after i ended my LTR with this girl, she constantly came to me for sex. she would show up at my door, or txt me that she was horny, and she would proceed to fuck me like a slut. once the relationship was over, the kinkiness and sluttiness in bed skyrocketd. and it was already high. and she wasn't even trying to get back in a relationship, she was flirting with other dudes. i say this only in the past tense because she is in europe for the summer. supposedly she wants nothing to do with me... but we'll see how that goes once she gets back and needs a little sumthing sumthing.


the difference though between being in a relationship and out of one is that i had no control over when she fucked or sucked me. she was horny enough that it didn't even matter.

i think this is the lesson i needed to master though before i could really get a harem going. i don't need to pretend to offer a relationship, or lie, or anything. i just need to show them that i can fuck. i guess another blue pill belief i had was that girls liked sex because they liked pleasing their man, or they wanted to keep a relationship healthy, or other bullshit.

No.

Girls just like to fuck, just as much as guys. And there is absolutely no need to make any other pretenses if you are a guy that can provide a good fuck.

I know that sentiment has been said on here, and on blogs in the manosphere.

Living it and internalizing it is another thing entirely.

two hookups since the breakup, but no notch yet. need to get my shit together. law school finals and summer session are killing me. i can't wait for the summer to have time again. fuck, i'm writing a paper even now, on a friday night. if you are considering law school, get a good girl on lockdown first, no time except to come home and crash. make sure you're crashing next to a woman.