Post: #1

My philosophy towards the phone is exactly like Craig Heimburger's : "I'm not a phone guy. I don't like hearing them ring, I don't like talking on them, and I certainly don't enjoy listening to people scream obliviously into their cells. When I did have a phone, I constantly let calls roll over to voicemail (much to the aggravation of some). I've never been a slave to the phone, and won't jump just to answer it."

I don't even really call people anymore, except for my parents or clients. I just text people. And even then I just text what's necessary to get some info or a point across. I don't sit there texting people back and forth for hours on end.

So my dislike of calling people might be a problem when meeting girls. What do you guys think? I was talking this issue over with a buddy and he thinks it's imperative that you avoid texting and ONLY talk on the phone to her. He thinks sending a text sounds weak. I told him it may seem weak if it comes off like you are trying to avoid a phone call, but if you just send something like, "it was nice meeting you last night" the day after you meet, I don't think it's any problem. Plus it allows you to gauge her interest level a bit by the way she responds(or if she even responds at all). Number two, girls rarely answer their phones these days especially if they don't recognize the number or if they are even the slightest bit nervous or uncomfortable. However, virtually all women respond to texts. So I'm thinking it shouldn't be that big a deal to just set up the first date using text only. I'm not a big believing in dicking around on the phone for hours before you get the first date. Plus there's a finite amount of shit to talk about with someone you don't know that well. You don't want to burn through all your good conversation on the phone in a situation where you can't even kino escalate. Now maybe after you've got the bang, and the ball is in your court, she can sit back a bit and talk on the phone for an hour if you want to and not feel like you are the one courting her so much.

What are your feelings on this guys? How do you handle the next day or two after getting the digits?

Post: #2

I hear you on this phone game biz, I'm not big on talking on the phone either, but I have to admit that their is some kind of science to phone game, and Roosh seems to discuss it thoroughly in "Bang". Roosh explicitly discourages text messaging, but I kind of like it, not only because it's less pressure, but you also have more time to think about what you're going to say and come up with some clever shit. I agree that if you don't really know the girl, there is only so much you really want to talk about on the phone before you even meet up with her. I have to admit though, that I still get that bitchness as far as getting kind of nervous the first time I am calling a girl up to ask her out, it's strange because I have done well as far a getting over my approach anxiety. I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea to hit a girl up with a text a few days later with something casual/fun to say, then maybe suggest hanging out to gauge her interest, if the interest is there, follow that up with a phone call to make concrete plans, what do you guys think of that?

Post: #3

In theory it seems logical to follow up the texting with concrete plans like you said OGNorCal707 but it seems like a lot of chicks want you to just text them at least for the first couple of dates or so. With some of these skeezers, I've noticed that they catch a little attitude when you call them in the "early" stages. You can (or maybe it's just me) hear it in their voice: "why's this m.f. callin' me?".
Once you guys have laid the foundation (i.e. you've laid some good pipe on a few occasions) they seem to be more comfortable with you calling them.

On one instance, I've had a puertorican ( born and raised there) chick call right after I shot her a text, which had me perplexed, since american chicks are strictly about the textin, so that was interesting to observe.

Post: #4

I'm sick of girls flaking with the phone shit. I got this cute girl's number last Saturday. Everything was good. Talked to her for an hour. She was a bit tipsy, but not to the point of being out of it. We had a normal conversation. The connection was good. Lots of kino, was holding her hands and shit. Came close to going for the kiss, but couldn't get her isolated enough. Anyway, she took out her phone and asked for MY number. I punched it in, then called my phone from hers so that I'd have her number too. My wings thought I did a flawless job. Because at first, she had a bit of an attitude. She seemed like the girl that was going to be the cockblock of the group of 5 we opened. But I got in there, warmed her up, and within a few minutes had my arm around her. I didn't make any mistakes, I know that. I hit the girl up, both by call and text. Neither were returned. I'm sick of flaky ass girls.

I was talking to a female friend about this issue and she told me this:

"And in the interest of honesty, I given dudes my number before and then I don't text back or call back when they call me. Things in certain environments seem interesting and then once the enviro is gone the feeling is gone. or I've just gotten busy, or a number of things...so yeah, bottom line, you just never know."

I guess that's a pretty typical female sentiment. This sort of capricious fickle-mindedness of the female half of humanity is extremely frustrating. Roosh's post on girls flaking the other day was right on time.

Post: #5

I went out with a slim little 24 year old white gymnast yesterday. She said she prefres texting to talking cause its "less pressure and easier". I asked her if she wanted to actually talk on the phone sometimes and she said, no, she is happy texting. I already banged her twice and its looking like round 3 is coming up soon. I never call her.

A few days earlier a 20 year old mexican girl told me that she prefers texting to talking because she "is always doing a few things at once" . I banged her last year just before she turned 20.

Maybe i should demand that these girls "talk more" and "text less". Mosty PUA gurus say "talking" builds a "stronger connection".

Yea right! Who do you think knows more about what young women want?

For Profit PUA gurus? OR Young Women i have already banged?

I will give the girls what they want. Fuck the PUA advice. (in this case)

If she wants to talk, talk. If she wants to text, text. If she wants to email, email. ETC.

Stop trying to outsmart these girls at their own game. JUST GIVE IT TO THEM THEY WAY THEY WANT IT.

Post: #6

I play phone games out of convenience, and would rather txt then call simply because when im away on business, roaming charges stack up, and having girls in different area codes gets expensive.

They seem happy enough, but i personally never find girls calling me. Sometimes if i neglect a girl due to circumstances beyond my control the first question is "why haven't you called me?" I guess the guys here are expected to do all the calling, so i always do the contacting. And i never run into people who don't answer calls. Prbly b/c we dont really do voicemail in china.

Post: #7

I've had a lot girls where it'd mainly just be text, never phone calls. Me and my roomates used to almost exclusively text girls, never call them.

One chick I was talking to for awhile, would not answer when I'd call and then just text me later that night and say shit like, "Meant to call you back, but got busy, what's up?" - We never talked on the phone, everything with her was always set up through texts it seems like.

Texting seems to be the way to go these days. Phone game isn't needed until you've been fucking with her for 2-6 weeks, depending on the girl.

Post: #8

From my personal experience every woman is different on the text/phone subject.

Lately I've been calling women, but the majority of girls prefer to text. If I have nothing to talk about I'll text with some witty banter, If I really want the chick I'll call her.

Post: #9

Personally I think it depends on how well you do on the phone in the first place, if your not confident, then dont... for me the phone has been great in combination with internet dating its really great for building comfort and getting her to come straight home to me instead of some public date. But Im very confident and good with words, so women tend to instant dig that. Plus in internet dating I really need to sense whos there before knowing if I wanna see her at all.. texts etc. doesnt tell you much about a person.. phonecalls does moreso. I would say for gaming girls long range phone is the only way to go, for fast reliable progress...

Post: #10

This thread has been dead for a while. I am currently in a situation that can revive this.

Met this persian girl in my residence. Knew her from a while ago but only decided to ask her out now. Anyway, asked for her number, got it and when I asked her if we can hangout some time, her answer was 'Let me think about it.' Ok, what does this mean? Is she interested or was it an indirect 'no, I can't go out with you' kind of reply? She has been giving me IOIs but not sure if she is just attention whoring.

Should I call her after some time(~2 days as per Bang)/remind her of this the next time we meet, OR should I just wait for her to call and if she doesn't, just drop her from the radar?

Thanks for the suggestions!

Post: #11

(12-14-2015 09:38 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  This thread has been dead for a while. I am currently in a situation that can revive this.

Met this persian girl in my residence. Knew her from a while ago but only decided to ask her out now. Anyway, asked for her number, got it and when I asked her if we can hangout some time, her answer was 'Let me think about it.' Ok, what does this mean? Is she interested or was it an indirect 'no, I can't go out with you' kind of reply? She has been giving me IOIs but not sure if she is just attention whoring.

Should I call her after some time(~2 days as per Bang)/remind her of this the next time we meet, OR should I just wait for her to call and if she doesn't, just drop her from the radar?

Thanks for the suggestions!

Did you ask her over text after you got her number, or did you ask her in person immediately after she gave you the number?

If she just texted you "Let me think about it." then next her. That is basically a no. Now if you asked her in person and she said to you "Let me think about it" and seemed playful, then text her in a few days to get together.

First mistake was "asking" her "if you could" hang out sometime. Tell her you're going to get together sometime. Girls want a decision maker, not a guy who asks for permission.