Post: #26

(12-15-2012 09:23 AM)Asaxon Wrote:  So heartiste is wrong? All races and cultures are equal then? Interesting. If you truly believe that just google "racial iq" and choose of dozens of studies from your favorite lefty university. Even they acknowledge the fact that there are biological differences. Next you will claim men and women are identical, too...You can scream xenophobia all you want but check out crime rates and tax contribution by race and you will begin to see who contributes what to our society

In addition to your numerous logical fallacies [which I've neither the time nor desire to address], you've also make the same common mistakes as our feminist friends: 1) you're getting disproportionately upset and but hurt - causing you to argue from feeling 2) you are confusing sameness with value / equality. Any idiot can see we're all different [one of my personal gripes with feminism], but its the true fool that doesn't realize the potential to use others strengths to fill in their gaps or worse doesn't believe they have any.

listen, I mean neither you nor Heartiste any insult [ Quite the opposite as displayed by my compliment at the bottom of my post--you did read that far right?--or that I recommend his blog as part of my Manosphere intro to red pill initiates]. I just happen to disagree with him on this particular point.

It's okay.
I'm allowed to.

Post: #27

(12-15-2012 09:23 AM)Asaxon Wrote:  So heartiste is wrong?

Even assuming differences do exist (an arguable claim given the diversity of understanding with regards to what intelligence actually is and how it can be measured), they are not necessarily as consequential as Heartiste and other HBD-types would like to claim.

Quote:You can scream xenophobia all you want but check out crime rates and tax contribution by race and you will begin to see who contributes what to our society

I could spend a decent amount of time breaking down the implications here and discrediting them, but I think I'll leave it be.

Post: #28

(12-15-2012 09:23 AM)Asaxon Wrote:  So heartiste is wrong? All races and cultures are equal then? Interesting. If you truly believe that just google "racial iq" and choose of dozens of studies from your favorite lefty university. Even they acknowledge the fact that there are biological differences. Next you will claim men and women are identical, too...You can scream xenophobia all you want but check out crime rates and tax contribution by race and you will begin to see who contributes what to our society

First of all, intelligence is diverse. Spatial intelligence, kinesthetic intelligence, linguistic intelligence, logical intelligence, rhythmic intelligence, etc. Are you a white nationalist by any chance? A bit strange if you were given the nature of this site. You know, traveling and meeting women from other cultures and such....

Post: #29

I hated Inglorious Basterds. The first scene was great, but after that, it was just this intensely nerdish cartoon.

(12-15-2012 05:50 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  "As the host-leech ratio tips in favor of the leeches, and the infrastructure of the nation crumbles under the weight of a less competent labor force able to maintain it let alone build it from scratch, and the cultural apparatus of what is euphemistically known as "the Cathedral" -- the media, entertainment, academia, and bureaucratic industrial complexes -- works in concert with breathtakingly galling efficiency to undermine Western self-confidence and pride in its achievements and history while simultaneously crafting false myths intended to crown "diverse" peoples with a nobility they don't come near to displaying in reality on their own, the day when keeping calm aided by the help of distracting technogadgets and empty elite bromides is a workable strategy for getting by in life will no longer suffice to stem the blood-dimmed tide of tribal affiliation, raw visceral hatred, and corrosive distrust that is soon to be the fate of a fractured and dissolute America."

Here, a rough translation:

"The proportion of productive people in America is going down while the number of people on welfare is going up. The nation's institutions and infrastructure are decaying because the labor force is becoming more incompetent and less skilled. The media says white people are morally guilty, while saying minorities are good and noble when in reality, they aren't. Gadgets are a temporary distraction until people start forming tribes along racial lines. Then everyone will start hating each other."

Post: #30

I am sad to say that I lead to this thread is being hijacked by race talk.

If you want to talk about race, then go do it at Chateau Heartiste. I provided a link that you can follow earlier in the thread.

Lets stay on topic and talk about the movie.

Post: #31

I personally prefer Cormac McCarthy novels to Tarantino movies. The violence in the books are a more twisted yet realistic portrayal of the possible brutality of man.

In Blood Meridian, there aren't any noble heroes, it's essentially Injuns killing Amurricans, Messicans killing Injuns, and Amurricans killing Messicans and Injuns.

Post: #32

Can't wait till this shit comes out, Inglorious was solid.

Post: #33

(12-15-2012 02:09 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

I am sad to say that I lead to this thread is being hijacked by race talk.

If you want to talk about race, then go do it at Chateau Heartiste. I provided a link that you can follow earlier in the thread.

Lets stay on topic and talk about the movie.

Fair enough!

Tarantino is a legend. I really hope this won't be his last film.

Post: #34

(12-15-2012 02:46 PM)A CLOCKWORK TRADER Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 02:09 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

I am sad to say that I lead to this thread is being hijacked by race talk.

If you want to talk about race, then go do it at Chateau Heartiste. I provided a link that you can follow earlier in the thread.

Lets stay on topic and talk about the movie.

Fair enough!

Tarantino is a legend. I really hope this won't be his last film.

In Playboy he talked about doing 10 films, then hanging it up. Of course, that isn't definitive, but he feels that with any great director, their worst films were the last 3 or 4. He doesn't want to follow the same pattern.

Post: #35

Ive always thought Tarantinos movies were overrated.

Post: #36

(12-15-2012 03:10 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  In Playboy he talked about doing 10 films, then hanging it up. Of course, that isn't definitive, but he feels that with any great director, their worst films were the last 3 or 4. He doesn't want to follow the same pattern.

He voiced these concerns on the Howard Stern Show last week. Any Tarantino fans needs to definitely listen: Tarantino on the Howard Stern Show 12/05/12

They bring up the fact that Clint Eastwood has made great movies later on in life but Tarantino is a realist. Listen to the interview, it's worth the hour.

Post: #37

I've always found Q's films to be entertaining. He's a film geek, so most of what he does is a homage to a past genre. I find even his "bad" films fun.

Post: #38

I thought Tarantino's first few films were really good, Resevoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, after that I think it all started to go down hill. I know people love Kill Bill, but I though it was kind of meh. Inglorious Bastards was pretty good, worth watching, but not a great movie IMO.

Post: #39

You ever see Death Proof OG? What did you think to it?

Post: #40

(12-15-2012 03:41 PM)Scott Wrote:  You ever see Death Proof OG? What did you think to it?

Naw, I thought it looked lame, didn't bother with it. I'm a bit of a movie nerd, appreciate a good film, well written, good plot, character development, etc.

Post: #41

(12-15-2012 03:31 PM)A CLOCKWORK TRADER Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 03:10 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  In Playboy he talked about doing 10 films, then hanging it up. Of course, that isn't definitive, but he feels that with any great director, their worst films were the last 3 or 4. He doesn't want to follow the same pattern.

He voiced these concerns on the Howard Stern Show last week. Any Tarantino fans needs to definitely listen: Tarantino on the Howard Stern Show 12/05/12

They bring up the fact that Clint Eastwood has made great movies later on in life but Tarantino is a realist. Listen to the interview, it's worth the hour.

This is true, but Clint didn't focus on directing until he was already at an advanced age, after a very long acting career. So in a sense, he was something of a new director. All Quentin has done is direct (though he's acted in his own films - much to the chagrin of Samuel L. Jackson...HA HA!). For Q it isn't just the age factor, but simply a matter of a director being in the game too long and losing vision and relevance. I think he feels towards the end they start mailing it in.

Post: #42

Shit I forgot about True Romance, LOL!! While it was kind of cheesy, it was also a classic! Gary Oldman as the dready pimp and Brad Pitt as the pot head roommate. Tarantino needs to get back to his old school ways.

Post: #43

(12-15-2012 03:47 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Shit I forgot about True Romance, LOL!! While it was kind of cheesy, it was also a classic! Gary Oldman as the dready pimp and Brad Pitt as the pot head roommate. Tarantino needs to get back to his old school ways.

Tarantino was one of the writers on "True Romance," but he didn't direct. However, you could see his obvious influence on the dialogue.

Post: #44

I thought "Planet Terror" and "Death Proof" were fun films. They were supposed to be over-the-top and a tip of the hat to Grindhouse genre films. Succeed or fail, I admire how he feels unbound to a particular type of film. Also, Robert Rodriguez had as big a hand in those films as Q did, so I don't really view them as total Tarantino productions.

Post: #45

Oh the ghost of "white nationalist" again... What nation would that be? Intelligence is defined as cognitive ability, correlated with brain size which is, by ct scan studies, quite disparate amongst racial groups. Hint: I do not belong to the group who makes up the top tier but have no problem with that. You can squirm and deconstruct all you want. If you believe we are all the same why is it that medicine has developed different treatments and medications for different ethnic groups? Your knee jerk reaction is revealing indeed...

Post: #46

@athlone: inconsequential to you? Try to tell that to someone who has lived in Detroit or E St Louis and lost loved ones to the oh-so civilized "culture" they celebrate there in all its"diversity". Psychology no longer even pretends tht iq is equal and redefining it in a suitable way has not helped. What is your motivation for this? Just trying to preserve your notion of equality and sameness at any price?
If you truly believe you know more than modern biology and that America's most esteemed research universities are all wrong, good for you. Here is a link to a nice summary, check the hundreds of citations and government and university sources in it. I am sure it is all an evil white conspiracy, eh? http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30y...0years.pdf

Post: #47

Hope this one is good, Inglorious Bastards (or whatever it's called) apart from a few scenes and the great acting was one of the worst peace of crap I've ever seen.
How did he make such a stupid storyboard? Great actors, shitty direction.

Post: #48

(12-15-2012 07:45 PM)Asaxon Wrote:  Intelligence is defined as cognitive ability, correlated with brain size which is, by ct scan studies, quite disparate amongst racial groups.

The discussion with regards to "Intelligence" is a vast one that consists of many differing interpretations, theories and definitions that vary quite widely by culture and by individual.
The definition of "intelligence" is controversial, and there is no consensus on exactly what it entails.

You have cited one component of the discussion. This is not authoritative, and it won't be taken as such.

(12-15-2012 07:57 PM)Asaxon Wrote:  @athlone: inconsequential to you?

Inconsequential in general.

Quote:Try to tell that to someone who has lived in Detroit or E St Louis and lost loved ones to the oh-so civilized "culture" they celebrate there in all its"diversity".

You use that experience within a few neighborhoods to make broad inferences about the nature of a global demographic?

Quote:Psychology no longer even pretends tht iq is equal and redefining it in a suitable way has not helped.

Strawman.

(12-15-2012 12:13 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  Even assuming differences do exist (an arguable claim given the diversity of understanding with regards to what intelligence actually is and how it can be measured), they are not necessarily as consequential as Heartiste and other HBD-types would like to claim.

Quote:What is your motivation for this? Just trying to preserve your notion of equality and sameness at any price?

My motivation? I disagree with you.

Quite simple, really.

Quote:If you truly believe you know more than modern biology and that America's most esteemed research universities are all wrong, good for you.

Strawman #2.

Quote:Here is a link to a nice summary, check the hundreds of citations and government and university sources in it. I am sure it is all an evil white conspiracy, eh? http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30y...0years.pdf

Strawman #3. My argument did not preclude the possibility of their being a genetic component to IQ differences. It made no firm declaration one way or the other.

My argument did, however, question what the significance of that alleged genetic component (if it exists) would be to the difference in the context of the arguments presented by Heartiste, the HBD-sphere and other white nationalist sympathizers.

It also questioned the worth of IQ in determining broadly all that we consider "intelligence", a concept not fully understood as is and not necessarily fully comprehended by IQ measurements.

Your source is not new to me, by the way. White nationalists have been making similar citations for a very long time. You have no intellectual high ground here.

(12-15-2012 07:45 PM)Asaxon Wrote:  Your knee jerk reaction is revealing indeed...

You think your argument far more profound than it is.

Post: #49

(12-15-2012 07:45 PM)Asaxon Wrote:  Oh the ghost of "white nationalist" again... What nation would that be? Intelligence is defined as cognitive ability, correlated with brain size which is, by ct scan studies, quite disparate amongst racial groups. Hint: I do not belong to the group who makes up the top tier but have no problem with that. You can squirm and deconstruct all you want. If you believe we are all the same why is it that medicine has developed different treatments and medications for different ethnic groups? Your knee jerk reaction is revealing indeed...

Dude you're trolling, if I had to guess you probably just rationalize all this shit to make up for your insecurities and inadequacies, you're probably a physically weak man who resents the fact, that men of other ethnic groups are bigger, stronger, and more successful than you.

Post: #50

Looking forward to this movie.

Pulp Fiction is still quintessentially classic American cinema at it's finest.