Post: #1

A lot of posts on here are about HOW to game, various techniques, methods etc. There's a lot of analysis done on how effective various methods and techniques are, all with the singular intent of trying to find some way to reduce the sheer amount of work required to get laid. And while ALL of it is beneficial and important I believe that the most important point is often overlooked: sheer will power and determination. (If this was a F1 race, then gaming technique and knowledge would be the car and will power the gas that drives it. If you extrapolate this analogy it's doesn't take much to realize that the best car without much gas isn't going to win the race.)

I was reminded of this recently when I went out with Rationalize_this and G Trooper. While I believe all of us, had enough game experience and knowledge (good cars). It was Rational that won the race at the end of the night. So what did Rational had, that neither I nor Trooper had, that night? He had a lot of gas! From the very beginning this guy was a man on a mission. His single minded focus was something to watch. While we all opened girls, Rational was opening with a much greater focus. By 2am me and Trooper was basically tired because we had gone out the night before and had started early but Rational was still running game on a girl he had been working on most of the night. We packed it in and quit and left him there and he was still going strong. At the end of the night, he literally carried the girl back to his place because she was too tired to walk. When me and most guys would have quit, guys like Rational and Roosh keeps going: like the Terminators.

Rational did not succeed that night because his "game" was so much better than any of us. He succeeded because his will to do so was much greater than any us. Yes, you need game and logistics but that's the car. Without the gas, the will power, you won't be able to go the distance, finish the race - much less win it.

Post: #2

You find the same thing works in sales. The guy who makes his numbers is willing to go the extra 100 miles.

Post: #3

Yep, applies to life in general. We just keep forgeting it - at least I do.

Post: #4

(12-09-2012 01:24 PM)ColSpanker Wrote:  You find the same thing works in sales. The guy who makes his numbers is willing to go the extra 100 miles.

That's a good analogy and reminds me of sales burnout. I've known salesmen who live a sales strategy that requires them to pump themselves up, who can't sustain that need to be pumped up, and so eventually just blow off the sales lifestyle altogether.

A sustainable approach to sales is going to be flexible and shifting. Our interests will vary over time, as will our approaches. To artificially pump up our interest level can in the long run be counter productive, as it can lead to total burnout.

When I was in sales, I eventually did get some sort of sales burnout - but it wasn't the usual kind. I had a laid back approach that didn't much require me to be "in state". I didn't need to pump myself up or get myself to feel a certain way. There was no pressure on me to perform. My sales style was very organic, and I used whatever emotions I brought with me to advantage. If I was feeling down and lonely, I'd imagine that all people shared the same core of sometimes feeling alienated and lonely, and so felt a comraderie with everyone, and therefore became an effective salesman. I didn't need to feel gregarious in order to be effective in interaction - it was all very organic and honest. Now maybe that meant I wasn't acting at my peak, every single time, but I didn't care - this was not just my livelyhood, this was my lifestyle. This was not just what I did for a living, this was me living. I wanted to enjoy my life.

I eventually got out of in person sales because I got bored with my products, which led to being less competitive in my niche, plus the economy didn't support the impulse sales as well. And I suppose the thrill of traveling and meeting new people all the time had instead turned into a chore. So I shifted into manufacture and internet based marketing. And while originally traveling sales to sell to college aged girls in music festivals and on campuses was the ideal lifestyle, by the time I gave it up I never missed it. There is never any nostalgia.

So I guess what I'm saying is to be wary of needing to pump up enthusiasm. If the enthusiasm isn't organic, it might be a sign to find enthusiasm in a different way, or even to drastically shift emphasis in life. Making yourself want something is a kind of self hypnosis, which is never a good long term strategy. There should be no internal conflict that needs to be ironed out - if you want it then you want it - you shouldn't have to talk yourself into wanting it. And it's ok if you don't want it.

In other words, it's ok to just be low energy sometimes. For days, or years. If you push yourself to be high energy for some task that you no longer feel, you will certainly only burnout anyway.

For me success is about adapting and re-inventing, and life comes in stages. The narrative has chapters. It isn't all one trajectory of goal attainment - the goals themselves shift.

Post: #5

Way to go Rationalize!!!

Some guys want it!

Some guys need it!

Some guys have to have it!!!

The most important qualification for anyone, trying to do anything, is........

The sheer desire to succeed!

Post: #6

Solid post Nomad. Enjoyed showing you guys how I roll in Brickell. I was kind of tired too, the night before was Wall, Mynt, Set and I didn’t get to bed till around 5. Nevertheless, I’ll do a breakdown for some of the others.

We had just left Segafredos where I number closed two PR’s. We left G-trooper on the sidewalk holding some girls hand looking deep into her eyes haha. Let me know what happens with her Trooper she was cute!

I cut the line in Dolores and posted up with a cig outside on one of the couches. I start chatting up this 6.5 for the fun of it and she basically tells me she’s a bitch, complaining about her roommate. All sorts of crap. I’m just entertaining her at this point when a 24yr old 7.5 girl in a white dress sits down next to me and asks me for a light. Bingo.

I totally ignore the previous girl and start bantering. Turns out she’s from Medellin, and loaded. (Googled her the next day her dad owns a huge national corporation in Colombia and she is the only child). After at most 10 min of conversation and her dropping “Please tell me more about you” with puppy dog eyes, I tell her how much I miss Colombian culture and we should grab a few shots of aguardiente across the street at Baru as a "refresher". At this point her friend comes out, and gives me the you better take care of her speech. I’m smiling inside I know its in the bag at this point.

Medellin instinctively grabs my arm as we cross the street (sometimes I just love Latinas) and I say whats up to my favorite bouncer and hostess skipping the massive line. She starts asking if I’m a regular etc. “I’ve been out a few times”. Two shots down, I chill out on the porch with some Coronas. Now she starts qualifying herself to me telling me how she’s done modeling, guys approach her so much in Miami etc. etc. etc. I see my bro and G and a girl I know at the front waiting in line so I wave them in to the bouncer I know. Quick introductions are made, and I get back to it.

20 more min go by, I start dropping bait about where my apt. is (pointing), if she likes this wine I have, and that she should check out the view. She agrees. We bounce, and I’m walking out hand in her back pocket. She literally starts complaining about her 6 in heels and almost falls in front of Balans lucky for her I wasn’t that drunk and caught her no problem. Even got a mini applause from some white knights grubbing late night.

The complaining gets worse so I pick her up, throw her on my back, and give her a piggy back ride to my building. (Was this beta?) Walk in with her on my back and my boy at the front desk doesn’t even flinch as he’s seen me pull way crazier shit than this. We get up to my place, wine is poured, view is shown, and the flurry of shit tests begin. “You do this to all the girls don’t you”. “How many girls have you been with?” “My friends are wondering where I am”. Battled through and notched up.

Called her a cab. Checked my phone. 3am at this point. Messages from 2 girls. Chilean I used to bang “I just saw you with girl with a white dress… Too bad.” Law student girl “I’m in your neck of the woods! Where are you????”. Like I was telling you Nomad, I may be overfishing the Brickell pond. I pass out.

Medellin was texting me all yesterday begging me to go to with her and 4 other girls to LIV last night. Couldn’t find the energy.

Post: #7

(12-09-2012 02:33 PM)xsplat Wrote:  So I guess what I'm saying is to be wary of needing to pump up enthusiasm. If the enthusiasm isn't organic, it might be a sign to find enthusiasm in a different way, or even to drastically shift emphasis in life. Making yourself want something is a kind of self hypnosis, which is never a good long term strategy. There should be no internal conflict that needs to be ironed out - if you want it then you want it - you shouldn't have to talk yourself into wanting it. And it's ok if you don't want it.

In other words, it's ok to just be low energy sometimes. For days, or years. If you push yourself to be high energy for some task that you no longer feel, you will certainly only burnout anyway.

I love this. This is a great insight!

If you have to pump yourself up, you don't really want it. If you have to fake it, that fake energy will eventually burn out.

It's ok to - fake it til you make it - But, you can't fake it forever.

Post: #8

For many guys motivation is also girl dependent as it is for me. When I am into a girl, for whatever reason, I usually find the energy. If I'm not that much into a girl, even IF she's into me, it then becomes a grind.

Post: #9

(12-09-2012 03:12 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  For many guys motivation is also girl dependent as it is for me. When I am into a girl, for whatever reason, I usually find the energy. If I'm not that much into a girl, even IF she's into me, it then becomes a grind.

Then you should only talk to girls that inspire you. If its a grind, then you don't like her, so stop talking to her and move on to a girl that motivates you. Don't waste time being uninspired!

I get my inspiration from my dick. If my dicks is growing, I keep talking to her. If my dick in not moving, I get moving (to another girl)

This is natures way of screening girls for you!

Post: #10

Unfortunately, I don't find that many of them here in the US. That night, I only met one and she was living with her boyfriend but even so I still haven't completely given up on her. I am working on lowering my excitement threshold.

Post: #11

(12-09-2012 04:51 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Unfortunately, I don't find that many of them here in the US.

Blaming the US for not getting laid is an excuse, and deep down you KNOW this is true....

Post: #12

@Travolta Oh, I don't blame the US or anyone for anything. If JUST getting laid was my objective then yes it can be easily achieved. I've already admitted to my shortcomings here:

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Post: #13

One of my favorite quotes:

"They realized that to be in power you didn't need guns, or money or even numbers. You just needed the will to do what the other guy wouldn't."

Post: #14

Don't know about your situation, but going on a no-porn diet could help with motivation to do approaches and game.

I saw the video series "Your Brain on Porn" and the TED lecture and at first thought it was snake-oil--at best, pseudoscience.

I was on a dry spell and went porn-free as an experiment. My approaches are wait up and I'm more upbeat in general--whereas before, I'd be more wont to think "eh, she's not that hot" with respect to a given target. Perhaps it's the placebo effect, but perhaps the dopamine explanation is true.

Haven't gone back to porn since.

Post: #15

It's not a question about approaching and closing. That can be done. It's a question of whether it's worth it. Let's just say, I have a strong preference for quality over quantity. And I agree with you about porn:

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Post: #16

Dude I'd totally knock that Colombian chick up.

Post: #17

rationalize this probably has money to though WesternCancer and his money is actual income that he claims based on the fact that he was playing up the view to his condo. That girl probably has 0 income, he knocks her up and even though her dad may be rich as hell hes still gonna be paying child support and probably a lot more than he would pay the average income girl because that girl probably has 0 declared income.

Post: #18

Rationalize, I didn't realize you are in Miami. When I came back from DR I was staying in Brickell right on the water for the weekend. Ate at Balans and hit up about 7 bars all through the area. I like that Baru place.

Post: #19

Rationalize This,

Did you say you're an attorney in Miami?

Post: #20

The great playboys I know have one thing in common:

A burning desire for fresh pussy. They have to have it. Its like a drug!

Desire is #1

Post: #21

Does the quality of the pussy count or it doesn't matter

Post: #22

(12-10-2012 01:32 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Rationalize, I didn't realize you are in Miami. When I came back from DR I was staying in Brickell right on the water for the weekend. Ate at Balans and hit up about 7 bars all through the area. I like that Baru place.

You should have gotten a hold of me. Balans is one of my go to date spots. I did a Brickell data sheet feel free to add your experiences.

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Post: #23

(12-09-2012 11:49 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  Dude I'd totally knock that Colombian chick up.

No chance i'm knocking any girl up anytime soon. I'm nowhere near what I want my income to be right now, and I have zero interest on my income being contingent on some girls inheritance.

She's been blowing me up though telling me her parents want her to move here and get married. I may just string along, and reap benefits of dinners and gifts. Then I'll maybe try and secure myself as counsel for her dad

Post: #24

(12-10-2012 04:56 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Does the quality of the pussy count or it doesn't matter

I only go for high caliber. I got the quantity out of my system in college.

Post: #25

(12-10-2012 04:55 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  The great playboys I know have one thing in common:

A burning desire for fresh pussy. They have to have it. Its like a drug!

Desire is #1

True Gio, you can't teach desire. You either have it or you don't.