Post: #51

Okay, don't take my word on it if you don't want. Just come to Medellin, get inside EAFIT at lunchtime.You get in easily by saying that you need to ask about spanish courses. Go to this area called "El Tejadito", or even the cafeteria, and you will agree with me. I don't gain anything by joking about a picture.

Quote:For the 8000th time, the 1-10 scale has been proven worthless.

Of course it is, if we take it as an absolute measure. My point is that there are a lot of women in Medellin easily twice as hot as the girls in the picture.

Post: #52

I do take your word for it.

Jesus Christ I need to get the fuck out of here.

If the girl in the black is a 5 or below then I'll be absolutely fine living there for 60 years.

(05-02-2013 01:30 PM)Volk Wrote:  Okay, don't take my word on it if you don't want. Just come to Medellin, get inside EAFIT at lunchtime.You get in easily by saying that you need to ask about spanish courses. Go to this area called "El Tejadito", or even the cafeteria, and you will agree with me. I don't gain anything by joking about a picture.

Quote:For the 8000th time, the 1-10 scale has been proven worthless.

Of course it is, if we take it as an absolute measure. My point is that there are a lot of women in Medellin easily twice as hot as the girls in the picture.

Post: #53

@ Volk, I appreciate your input and really like to experience a place like you are describing. I'm in the process of realizing this goal of mine.

Post: #54

(05-02-2013 09:07 AM)Volk Wrote:  Oh man, if that picture is quality, then the US is so down in the gutter that I don't think the women there are can even be considered real women anymore. As little as I like ours, I will be the first to admit those in the pictures are 4s and 5s at best. They are in the bottom of the barrel.

Ha!

You're really gonna tell me that girl in the black is a 4 or 5 at best. Please! Get out of here. I've been to Medellin. By this logic, 50-60% of Colombian girls look better than her? No way, get out of here with that hype. Medellin's great and the women are beautiful, but don't lead members to believe that this girl in the black is a 5 for Medellin standards, because it simply isn't true. Maybe the two uglier ones yes, but the one in the black, no chance!

Post: #55

Well, IP, in retrospect, the girl in black does have at least 4 million COL invested in her blatant tit job!

Just to put a brake to the hype train, a word of advice to everybody else: These girls don't date online, they don't make POF or OKC or ColombianCupid accounts. They don't bow down to foreign passport because in all likehood, their dad makes 10 times more money than you, and the competition is not weak. Also, most of the other girls in Medellin don't even look all that nice, our people is a mix between Basques, Natives, Germans, Andalucians, Galicians, Lebanese and who knows what else, so we get all kind of girls out of that mix. I was comparing these girls from the picture to the best you can get here, not the overall woman. Why did I mention EAFIT? Because it's also the most expensive university in the city, you can guess what kind of women study there and where they come from.

EDIT : Word of caution as well, since I've been asked already. I'm somewhat biased against girls who look TOO latina, like the ones in the picture. For me she looks too much like a cleaning maid who got a lucky tit job from a narcokid, and that's why for me she's not attractive. Mind my upbringing. If for you it's nirvana, even better! Enjoy!

Post: #56

Thank you. If that bitch is a 5 I've banged paper bag bitches left and right.

(05-02-2013 03:15 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 09:07 AM)Volk Wrote:  Oh man, if that picture is quality, then the US is so down in the gutter that I don't think the women there are can even be considered real women anymore. As little as I like ours, I will be the first to admit those in the pictures are 4s and 5s at best. They are in the bottom of the barrel.

Ha!

You're really gonna tell me that girl in the black is a 4 or 5 at best. Please! Get out of here. I've been to Medellin. By this logic, 50-60% of Colombian girls look better than her? No way, get out of here with that hype. Medellin's great and the women are beautiful, but don't lead members to believe that this girl in the black is a 5 for Medellin standards, because it simply isn't true. Maybe the two uglier ones yes, but the one in the black, no chance!

Post: #57

I'm with you that chick is hot. I think Volk is right in his assumption that gringos typically don't do all that well. This is true in general because if you cant speak the language fluently your already handicapped. Short on time, handicapped. Short, on knowledge of the area, events, social circle etc, these are again handicaps. Hence, anywhere a gringo goes they are somewhat against the odds. An expat is a different story and can do well anywhere.

As to dads making 10x what we make in gringolandia thats blatantly untrue. Sure many of there dads make 100k+...so do many of the posters on here. The odd dad will be multi-millionaire there. But again, those are exceptions and clearly a few weeker tourist is not getting top notch talent from top families anywhere. The gdp per capita is less than 7k in Antioquia. I'd be shocked if the average income in even Poblado was much more than 100k if that... considering 4% of Medellin lives in El Poblado. Simple math tells me that the top 5% of Canadians barely make 100k. I'm certain that the top 5% of Medellin have far lower than the top 5% of Canada...especially considering the average income in Canada is about 8-fold that of Antioquia.

Sure there are some super rich people like there are in any of the best areas.

The girl in the black is an easy 8 in my opinion and thats not meaning shes only better than 80%. That means she really hot because frankly she is. Sure she has a boob job. I can't way to start sculpting chicks to how I like them. Now thats advanced game. Customizing your gf.

Post: #58

(05-02-2013 10:23 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  I'm with you that chick is hot. I think Volk is right in his assumption that gringos typically don't do all that well. This is true in general because if you cant speak the language fluently your already handicapped. Short on time, handicapped. Short, on knowledge of the area, events, social circle etc, these are again handicaps. Hence, anywhere a gringo goes they are somewhat against the odds. An expat is a different story and can do well anywhere.

To be completely honest though, I think as long as you can communicate and are conversational, you're doing pretty good. On one hand, if you are fully fluent you can communicate everything you want, but on the other, I think some girls like the strong accent (Maybe it was also that many people thought I was Brazilian, they said I had more of a Portuguese accent because I learned Portuguese before Spanish). One of the girls I was chillin' with in Medellin was very impressed that I had only learned Spanish by speaking with people and never taking classes. She kept saying, "muy inteligente." I don't speak fluent but conversational. I didn't see it being a huge burden and sometimes maybe even helping. But you DO have to be decent, you can't just go up trying to mac with a 100 word vocabulary.

Post: #59

If you aren't very good at a language you are severely handicapped. It doesn't matter for girls who you clearly have higher value than / bring more to the table than. But, the debate was over girls which were classified as higher end / poblado material. This is why you can go to poorer parts of cities and clean up with little knowledge but then get smoked amongst higher end chicks even though the 2 may be relatively similar in the looks scales.

Hence, why people are able to rack up ridiculous notch counts in Thailand when they can hardly communicate. The guys simply have way more value than the girls. Amongst higher end girls its unlikely that ones value is going to be so much greater than hers that it makes up for a communication barrier in a city where there is money in some areas. Volk I believe is speaking about it from a value perspective. Ones value can be very high when meeting strata 1, 2, 3 girls but then slowly fall in line by the time they meet strata 5,6 girls. This is where language skills would be instrumental.

Hence why the majority of gringos anywhere have lower status girls because there values are so far seperate.

Maybe I over think the value difference but I see that as being a large reason in success or lack thereof in relations between gringos and foreign girls.

I use to hear the muy intelligente too when I was learning spanish and was a complete novice. I have noticed that my quality substantially rises with the more language I learn. Granted other factors are increasing at the same time, I believe language has been the most determinative factor. When I refer to quality I mean both in appearance / girls position in society / girl's history (prostitute, complete slut, slutty, moderate, virginal etc.) When I started learning spanish a large portion of the girls would be hookers playing non hookers / part-timers/ ex-hookers. Then to complete sluts and so forth. Some of the girls were undoubtedly hot at the start but typically fell in the first 2nd or 3rd category i listed of hookers.

My rate of banging probably hasn't increased much but the quality of the girls has with more language.

Even with a 1000 word vocabulary you are essentially speaking like a baby. Imagine trying to pick up a girl speaking like a 2 year old in the US. You'd really need to have substantially more value than her and even if you were substantially better looking you'd take a huge hit in the looks department. Everyone should strive to achieve as much fluency as possible. Every day I learn something new in spanish and probably will until the day I die. Its a lifelong adventure.

Post: #60

(05-03-2013 02:13 AM)lavidaloca Wrote:  If you aren't very good at a language you are severely handicapped. It doesn't matter for girls who you clearly have higher value than / bring more to the table than. But, the debate was over girls which were classified as higher end / poblado material. This is why you can go to poorer parts of cities and clean up with little knowledge but then get smoked amongst higher end chicks even though the 2 may be relatively similar in the looks scales.

The girl I was referring to was high end/ Poblado material, that's where I met her, at Lleras Town. She still hits me up on Skype all the time. I've swooped a couple high value girls with less than advanced skills in a language.

Post: #61

Again, she may live in Lleras but how do you know she doesn't date gringos regularily and have one paying for her pad. This is just an example of what I'm getting at. There are plenty of hookers and prepagos who live in Poblado and the higher end parts of town amongst common folk.

My good friend who goes to bogota regularily was dating a tv / actress. Who do you think paid for her pad...her clothes etc... He is ugly as sin, can't speak a word of spanish and makes tenderman seem young. All he was is a deposit. The girl in this case is not a hooker he met her through an upscale colombian living abroad. But she might as well be. A girl like this one may very well hope t be with a younger foreigner.


Think about it, ask yourself why she would go out with you? Maybe shes lower in the looks department than yourself for example.


Maybe the girl got into the nicer areas by having dated a narco but amongst the upper class people she doesn't really fit in.

If you met her on colombiancupid shes on the gringotrail as is.

You may have met her through your social circle which enabled you higher value. There are a zillion possible reasons. Heck maybe you are her perfect 10.

I think people may do better in Peru for example because the guys are worse looking than elsewhere as the average gringo is rating goes up.

Generally speaking though, as you improve in language you will be less likely to be banging the hookers, sluts ,green card chasers.

Maybe you have some sort of hidden value.

Internation from what I recall your from Miami and have lived extensively in Brazil as well as travelled a fair bit. You probably have great stories which when communicated were a big advantage. You also probably were atleast able to communicate and get your point accross. Its a marginal scale game. Not linear persay. The difference in going from 0-80 is far more than 95-100. Accent isn't an issue its more being able to get the point accross and being able to understand whats being said to you. You may be able to use portuguese to understand much of what is said to you whereas the typical speaker with the same amount of vocab can't understand a word thats being said because they can't process it quickly enough.

When you feel you are swooping high end girls though you may be an 8 swooping an 8 without realizing it. This is far different than say a 5 trying to move up to 9s as your value is already far more in line. You have to make up less in other areas. This can easily happen when one has latina fever. It happens to me all the time. I think some girl is banging and my buddy who happens to like slim, pale redheads will think im an alien.

My guess is you are probably above average in looks, understand when spanish is verbally spoken to you far more than a typical speaker with the same level of knowledge (which is huge, as this is probably the most difficult and most important thing), had time on your side (i.e. weren't breezing through town on a weekend trip etc.)

People generally score in line with their own looks.

There are outliers in every example.

If I went to Sao Paolo right now (I don't know any portuguese beyond Bom dia and what I've seen in Brazilian cinema which is fantastic) i'd surely be scoring atleast 2 points lower than I would in a spanish speaking country with hot girls on average. I couldn't imagine pulling higher end girls. With 1000+ words maybe I could bridge that gap and then be at 1.5 points lower then with 5000 1 etc. But I'd certainly be hitting lower than in a 2nd/3rd world country where spanish is spoken and there are many attractive women. I picked Sao Paolo because the girls will have higher value and there will be more higher value guys than if I picked a place thats been spoken here like Minas Gerais.

In your report you mentioned a 9+ hanging out with your hungarian goofy roommate. Think about why a 9+ would hang around with him. A 9+ is just about guaranteed to be able to attract a high end cat in her own city. She probably had something offsetting her looks be it a history, poor etc. Heck, she probably wouldn't be caught dead with a guy who didn't fully fit in in her city otherwise. If your Hungarian buddy was a 9 then it would hardly be surprising but from what I recall reading he wasn't close to it.

Gringos do tend to date better looking girls than back home when they go abroad. They simply are bringing more value to the table than back home. If I bring 40k a year to the phillipines or 40k a year in Texas, In one place I live an exceptional lifestyle in the other I live very moderately. But when you get to really high end girls, they have no need for gringos as there are plenty of equally well off and fun guys in their own countries.

Volk being a colombian will certainly agree with my explanation of the 9 and your hungarian buddy.

If Fisto was with a 9 none of us would even bat an eye. If Jabbathehut started getting 9's there'd have to be an explanation beyond hes from gringoland or he has nice skin.

I'm speaking from my experience with learning language and game and I have been able to pretty accurately monitor as my trips are every may-september for a few years now. My experiences may be atypical. I believe roosh made a blog post back in the day outlining a similar theory to what I've suggested.

1 of Roosh's posts on the subject...

http://www.rooshv.com/banging-girls-who-...r-language

Post: #62

Haha, damn son. You're reading way too much into it. She was fly, no social circle. I actually never even smashed the one I mentioned that complimented my Spanish, I didn't push hard enough, but I know if I went back tomorrow it would be on. I did smash another fine one with only Spanish, and yes off CC. What does that matter though? Are you not gonna bang a fine girl because she's on CC? That's just dumb. I pulled even better in Brazil with a girl I dated for a little while with very minimal Portuguese, probably 20-30% of what I know now when I first met her. I mean I knew hardly anything, I had to have people help me translate, but she was an easy 8 in my book. I met her through a friend, yes. But at least I knew she was a good girl. Not out for money and had never even actually met an American before. Fly is fly son, no matter how you pulled it. All these factors your mentioning, they're all just part of the game. If I can build up a strong social circle and I'm getting lays because of it, that's part of my game. It makes no difference if I met them on the street or through a friend, at the end of the day I'm getting pussy. Think about it, I had to put in the work to build that social circle anyways, so it's time invested too. All just another way to game. If you're going on CC to meet bitches, and you're getting pussy, guess what, you were successful whether or not they were looking for gringos. Again, it's all just another part of gaming. It's not like a girl just drops her pants and wets her pussy for you because you have mutual friends or because your on CC. You still gotta run game.

BTW, my roommate never got anywhere with the 9. She wasn't about to put out for him. I think she just wanted to practice Spanish. Another homie on the forum did end up with her though, and ended up hanging out with her for the remainder of his trip. These girls definitely didn't want money, as when we would offer to pay for food or drinks they would decline. To the whole "Think about it why did she go out with you," part.. Cause I got tight game that's why. At the end of the day, the very best game you can play, is what works for you. Maybe I've had success with gaming in other languages with not a whole lot of knowledge in them because it just works for me. Maybe someone else will have trouble with it. I don't know. But very rarely have I had trouble if I wasn't fully fluent. But like I said, I'm conversational, it's not like I can't communicate. I just can't always express myself the way I fully want to. But if the girls into you and shes not a snarky bitch, shell be patient with you.

Post: #63

Lavidaloca is making a lot of assumptions in his last post, but a lot of what he is saying there about gringos dealing with Latin Americans is correct, from my experience.

All things equal, the more language and culture you know, the more opportunities will open up to you. Even though they often enjoy certain aspects of American culture (movies, music, books), Latin people tend to be particularlly proud of their culture. They get flattered when they interact with a gringo who "understands", and this can quickly lead to a high level of trust and mutual respect.

Post: #64

Fair enough. I'm not hating by any means. There are girls who are extremely easy compared to even slutty girls in the US in poorer countries. If I told you the notch counts of many of the girls in know in Cuba your head would spin. Many of them are super hot and by their mid 20's will have been with 250+ guys. yet, these girls are still not classified as "hookers." Of course there are fly girls on colombiancupid. They are specifically targetting gringos though and not the type of girls Volk described in his post that started the conversation. They are going to be way more open to bad spanish than otherwise.

The really hot girl you met in Brazil. You answered your own question. She had never even met a gringo. If shes never met a gringo you have instant value!

I still slay girls who I'd classify as super slutty, shores etc. But I'm just saying that while the bulk of the girls I pulled more or less originally required them to be from these categories.

Post: #65

I can tell you living in Bogota and working with the very wealthy families of Bogota it is very difficult for foreigners to crack into that social circle. I even asked some of the girls I work with how many of their friends are married to or are dating gringos/foreigners, they could only mention one couple.

I asked them why they thought that was, and they believed it had more to do with exposure. While language is very important don't get me wrong, most of these high end girls speak english, attended university in the states. However, they run in a very tight social group, they belong to the elite clubs/country clubs and live and play within the strata 6 areas of Bogota.

Almost as important as language is actually living/working in the country, and exposing yourself on a consistent basis at these high end venues (wine bistros, solid restaurants, martini lounges, expensive clubs). Next month I will be moving one of the top strata 6 areas of Bogota and into a very nice condo building.

I am interested to see the responses I get as I am sure I will be one of a handful of gringos in my whole building. Yes what Lavidoloca is saying rings true to me, from what I have seen most Gringos here are hooked up with strata 3 or lower chicas/semi-pros/prepagos/univ students. It is possible to get with the higher end girls but I dont believe it is very prevalent.

Post: #66

(05-03-2013 03:55 PM)Tully Mars Wrote:  Next month I will be moving one of the top strata 6 areas of Bogota and into a very nice condo building.

Is there any list of neighborhoods where you can tell which ones are which stratas for Bogota, Cali and Medellin?

Post: #67

(05-03-2013 01:48 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  The really hot girl you met in Brazil. You answered your own question. She had never even met a gringo. If shes never met a gringo you have instant value!

Isn't adding self value one of the main themes of this forum? Who's to say me being foreign was the only value I brought to the table? You're making a lot of assumptions, sounds like hating a little bit to me. Sounds like you aren't acknowledging good game and trying to discredit the reasons as to why I swooped. That's what it's looking like to me. All good though, I'm not looking for validation, just trying to get my point across. I'm not trying to say being fluent won't help, it's just not absolutely necessary. I agree knowing the culture is a huge plus too.

Post: #68

(05-03-2013 05:29 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 01:48 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  The really hot girl you met in Brazil. You answered your own question. She had never even met a gringo. If shes never met a gringo you have instant value!

Isn't adding self value one of the main themes of this forum? Who's to say me being foreign was the only value I brought to the table? You're making a lot of assumptions, sounds like hating a little bit to me. Sounds like you aren't acknowledging good game and trying to discredit the reasons as to why I swooped. That's what it's looking like to me. All good though, I'm not looking for validation, just trying to get my point across. I'm not trying to say being fluent won't help, it's just not absolutely necessary. I agree knowing the culture is a huge plus too.

I am still not fully convinced being America is such a huge Value Booster with Colombian girls.

I have been there twice and it didn't seem to benefit me all that much if at all.

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

Post: #69

(05-03-2013 05:32 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 05:29 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 01:48 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  The really hot girl you met in Brazil. You answered your own question. She had never even met a gringo. If shes never met a gringo you have instant value!

Isn't adding self value one of the main themes of this forum? Who's to say me being foreign was the only value I brought to the table? You're making a lot of assumptions, sounds like hating a little bit to me. Sounds like you aren't acknowledging good game and trying to discredit the reasons as to why I swooped. That's what it's looking like to me. All good though, I'm not looking for validation, just trying to get my point across. I'm not trying to say being fluent won't help, it's just not absolutely necessary. I agree knowing the culture is a huge plus too.

I am still not fully convinced being America is such a huge Value Booster with Colombian girls.

I have been there twice and it didn't seem to benefit me all that much if at all.

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

I don't think a big advantage. I think there are a few girls that like it, a few that don't, and the rest don't really care, so I guess it balances out. The only point I've been trying to make though is that you don't have to be fully fluent, just conversational to still pull decent quality. Whether or not it's a novelty, I think it doesn't really hurt or help you too much in Colombia.

Post: #70

Los barrios de Bogotá por estrato



The North-east has it. For those who don't know, stratus 6 is highest.

Colombia has an interesting system where your water, electricity, cable, internet and phone bills are all priced based on your stratus. Lower stratus pays less. Their new mayor recently instituted a law giving a certain amount of free water service to stratus 1 and 2 areas, I believe.

G - I think your high-class experience in bogotá does not jive with most peoples' middle-class experience. High class Colombians probably all have family in the US, have traveled here, etc. So it's not a big deal for them. The minimum wage in Colombia is less than 600,000 pesos a month, about $300 for those unfamiliar. A middle-class (stratus 3) salary might be something like 800,000-1.5 million pesos, about 400-700 dollars a month.

For people making that kind of money, foreigners of any type are a huge novelty. And because of American music/movies/tv, they have been tricked into thinking the United States is some kind of paradise. Middle class Colombians are certainly gringophiles.

Post: #71

(05-03-2013 05:42 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 05:32 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 05:29 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 01:48 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  The really hot girl you met in Brazil. You answered your own question. She had never even met a gringo. If shes never met a gringo you have instant value!

Isn't adding self value one of the main themes of this forum? Who's to say me being foreign was the only value I brought to the table? You're making a lot of assumptions, sounds like hating a little bit to me. Sounds like you aren't acknowledging good game and trying to discredit the reasons as to why I swooped. That's what it's looking like to me. All good though, I'm not looking for validation, just trying to get my point across. I'm not trying to say being fluent won't help, it's just not absolutely necessary. I agree knowing the culture is a huge plus too.

I am still not fully convinced being America is such a huge Value Booster with Colombian girls.

I have been there twice and it didn't seem to benefit me all that much if at all.

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

I don't think a big advantage. I think there are a few girls that like it, a few that don't, and the rest don't really care, so I guess it balances out. The only point I've been trying to make though is that you don't have to be fully fluent, just conversational to still pull decent quality. Whether or not it's a novelty, I think it doesn't really hurt or help you too much in Colombia.

I politely disagree with this notion.....This brings me back to my key point on Colombia.....again my personal views...... I think Medellin is overplayed with gringos, and the novelty is long gone......In Bogota yes there are gringos, but it's such a massive city that some parts of the city you will rarely see gringos, and from my personal experience I often still get stared at like an alien on the calles in some barrios. I have girls in clubs wanting to take pictures with me like I am some kind of exotic animal in the zoo.

I dont necessarily believe it's about being american, more about being foreign exotic....the same would be true if I was at a nightclub in some midwest state and a group of Paisa's or Calientes strolled into a club or bar....they would be noticed because they look and carry themselves differently than the normal everyday population.

I do believe this is even possible with the higher end strata chicas as well, it's you just have to crack into their social circle and be accepted.....and part of that acceptance is your value, job, status, and most importantly do you live/work in the city/country.....

Post: #72

Tully, I know that you were a big fan of Thailand before you arrived in Bogota, now that you've been there for several months, which do you prefer? I was the opposite of you, big fan of Colombia and even after I spent three months in Thailand, I still wasn't sure about it, now that I'm back in BKK though I realize that this is a great country to be in.

How's your Spanish coming along?

Post: #73

(05-04-2013 04:04 AM)scotian Wrote:  Tully, I know that you were a big fan of Thailand before you arrived in Bogota, now that you've been there for several months, which do you prefer? I was the opposite of you, big fan of Colombia and even after I spent three months in Thailand, I still wasn't sure about it, now that I'm back in BKK though I realize that this is a great country to be in.

How's your Spanish coming along?

Good to hear, I figured in time Thailand would get under your skin. Obviously both places have their positives and negatives. Thailand and especially BKK has a certain pulse/energy I have yet to find in other international cities. It is a 24/7 city, and is fairly safe. I think about it all the time.

Bogota (Colombia) really only starts to ramp up towards the end of the week. More crime, but also more freedoms, drug laws relaxed, prostitution legal, easier language to get than Thai.

The women that all comes down to personal taste, both places have it for me as I love both latinas (Colombianas) and SEA (Asians)....as you know there is a stockpile of gorgeous women in both cities. The longterm plan is to have condo's in both cities, two countries where you will still be "living" as you get older, not waiting to die on some golf course in Florida.

Spanish is improving daily, gonna hit it even harder this summer!!!
Keep living the dream....

Post: #74

(05-03-2013 09:53 PM)Tully Mars Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 05:42 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 05:32 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 05:29 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 01:48 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  The really hot girl you met in Brazil. You answered your own question. She had never even met a gringo. If shes never met a gringo you have instant value!

Isn't adding self value one of the main themes of this forum? Who's to say me being foreign was the only value I brought to the table? You're making a lot of assumptions, sounds like hating a little bit to me. Sounds like you aren't acknowledging good game and trying to discredit the reasons as to why I swooped. That's what it's looking like to me. All good though, I'm not looking for validation, just trying to get my point across. I'm not trying to say being fluent won't help, it's just not absolutely necessary. I agree knowing the culture is a huge plus too.

I am still not fully convinced being America is such a huge Value Booster with Colombian girls.

I have been there twice and it didn't seem to benefit me all that much if at all.

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

I don't think a big advantage. I think there are a few girls that like it, a few that don't, and the rest don't really care, so I guess it balances out. The only point I've been trying to make though is that you don't have to be fully fluent, just conversational to still pull decent quality. Whether or not it's a novelty, I think it doesn't really hurt or help you too much in Colombia.

I politely disagree with this notion.....This brings me back to my key point on Colombia.....again my personal views...... I think Medellin is overplayed with gringos, and the novelty is long gone......In Bogota yes there are gringos, but it's such a massive city that some parts of the city you will rarely see gringos, and from my personal experience I often still get stared at like an alien on the calles in some barrios. I have girls in clubs wanting to take pictures with me like I am some kind of exotic animal in the zoo.

I dont necessarily believe it's about being american, more about being foreign exotic....the same would be true if I was at a nightclub in some midwest state and a group of Paisa's or Calientes strolled into a club or bar....they would be noticed because they look and carry themselves differently than the normal everyday population.

I do believe this is even possible with the higher end strata chicas as well, it's you just have to crack into their social circle and be accepted.....and part of that acceptance is your value, job, status, and most importantly do you live/work in the city/country.....

Could be that I have a skewed view then, having only been to Medellin. In Medellin, if you're a herb and you don't know any Spanish or know nothing about Latin culture, I'm gonna say it actually hurts you, because then you just look like another sex tourist. I think you can use it to your advantage though as well. A lot of the tourists in Medellin don't know any Spanish, it's pretty pathetic. I think if you do learn a bit about the culture and the language though, it gives you some respect and can maybe even be an advantage. I try and make it a point to let girls there know I'm there to learn about the country, language, and culture so that they don't think I'm another sex tourist. That puts you at a big advantage over a lot of the tourists in Medellin. But yes, if you don't know Spanish in Medellin, first of all you're not gonna meet many people, second of all you look like a sex tourist. Not a good look. It's definitely hurtful big time. Like I said before though, even knowing a decent amount of Spanish will go a long way. You don't have to be fluent, but at least conversational and making attempts to better your Spanish. I'm not fluent by any means, but I never had trouble communicating and never had anyone openly look down on me about my spanish. In fact the opposite, I got compliments for learning fast and making the attempt.

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(05-03-2013 03:55 PM)Tully Mars Wrote:  I can tell you living in Bogota and working with the very wealthy families of Bogota it is very difficult for foreigners to crack into that social circle. I even asked some of the girls I work with how many of their friends are married to or are dating gringos/foreigners, they could only mention one couple.

Gotta chime in here... I just lived for three months in Bogota, just arrived in Medellin now... not sure about this Tully, you sure have more experience in Bogota than I have... so I'm not doubting... just adding my experience.

Now if you talk about crazy rich families, or famous actresses, models etc., sure I couldn't even get anywhere near these social circles. That's impossible unless you have some kind of high local value. I guess that's true for all places in the world.

However, all three girls that I banged in Bogota where estrato 5 to 6 girls. Well I don't know the estrato lines exactly, but they all came from the rich Neighborhoods of the north, went to los Andes or Javeriana, and their families definitely were wealthy. One girls family for example owned multiple nice and big houses in and around Bogota (been to two of them personally), multiple cars, and the couple family members she told me about where all either small business owners or had good/high paying jobs.

All the girls where easy to approach and date (the Bang is another story entirely though... )

Some girl I dated (but didn't bang) was from a family that owned a metalworking factory, which I found pretty funny.

I think these girls are called 'Gomelos'... a Colombian friend told me my girls are all Gomelos... I think that's the word for rich kids from the north of Bogota, but not 100% sure of its meaning.

Again... just my experience...

Quote:I politely disagree with this notion.....This brings me back to my key point on Colombia.....again my personal views...... I think Medellin is overplayed with gringos, and the novelty is long gone......In Bogota yes there are gringos, but it's such a massive city that some parts of the city you will rarely see gringos, and from my personal experience I often still get stared at like an alien on the calles in some barrios. I have girls in clubs wanting to take pictures with me like I am some kind of exotic animal in the zoo.

Even tho I have only been one day in Medellin (second day today), this rings extremely true for my ears. In the one day I've been here, I heard more English in the street then during my three months stay in Bogota.

Around parque lleras I heard so much English it wasn't even funny anymore. And some horrible backpacker slobs wandered around, acting and looking super low-class - I can totally see how these kind of people demolish gringo value for any Paisa that sees that.

I chatted with an older paisa guy in some park near san fernando plaza, parque la presidenta, and when I voiced my astonishment about the many gringos, he told me 'el Poblado es gingolandia'. He actually told me to go down to Laureles for a gringo free-er Medellin experience. He told me it would be easier to meet local people there for me. Mixx suggested the same thing earlier in this thread.