Post: #26

Well, good to hear someone is getting something. Could also be where you live and age group... I think a big part of my problem is also a quality issue. I just don't see that many girls online that I would go after. Now, with facebook, I can kill. I guess it's more fun to go out and pick up girls in real-life for me. I like the live action and instant feedback. Actually, come to think about it, that's what I don't like about online dating. You send a message and you don't even know if the girl read it. When I approach a girl in real-life, I know instantly if she likes me or not. Whatever is being communicated there is no question about if she got the message and what her response is, even if she doesn't say a word.

Post: #27

I grabbed this from the December 2012 issue of Men's Health...

Screen Out Online Liars

Some people pad their resumes...and other doll up their dating-site descriptions, says Catalina Toma, Ph.D., an assistant professor of communication science at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, whose research focuses on online dating profiles. Here's how to tell if a woman is lying through her photoshopped teeth...

Study the Mug Shot

Beware the Mila Kunis look-alike. Her photograph is the one element of her profile she's most likely to misrepresent. Rule of thumb: Tack on an extra 8 1/2 pounds to her frame; that's probably closer to accurate, according to a study by Toma. And if she has only one photo, especially if it's a head shot, she's more likely to be fudging.

Assess Her Vitals

Women rarely lie about income, age, education, children, smoking, or alcohol consumption. But if the site provides choices—"social drinker," say—she'll probably choose the more flattering one.

Read Between the Lines

The only multiple-choice item she may blatantly lie about is body-type. If she leaves blanks, it may suggest (a) she doesn't want to lie, but doesn't want to tell the truth either, (b) she wants to seem mysterious, or © she's not that invested in online dating.

Watch Her Language

If she avoids words like "I," "me," or "my," she may have embedded fibs into her description—whether the topic is hobbies, career, or her ideal mate. This one is subconscious: The less she references herself, the more she can distance herself from guilt about lying. Similarly, a surplus of negation words ("not," "no," "never") may be a subconscious effort to disconnect from deception.

Find Her Focus

Does she curiously avoid one topic, like exercise or her job? Online daters tend to steer clear of topics they lied about in the profile's multiple-choice questions, and then compensate by overemphasizing things they were truthful about. (If she lied about her career, for example, she may avoid mentioning colleagues and go on and on about her pets.)

Short Isn't Sweet

An unusually brief profile could be a warning sign that she may be hiding deeper secrets. That's because a fibber tends to keep self-disclosure to a minimum. She doesn't want to have to keep track of any elaborate falsehoods in the event you two actually meet up in person.

Post: #28

(12-07-2012 07:11 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Well, good to hear someone is getting something. Could also be where you live and age group... I think a big part of my problem is also a quality issue. I just don't see that many girls online that I would go after. Now, with facebook, I can kill. I guess it's more fun to go out and pick up girls in real-life for me. I like the live action and instant feedback. Actually, come to think about it, that's what I don't like about online dating. You send a message and you don't even know if the girl read it. When I approach a girl in real-life, I know instantly if she likes me or not. Whatever is being communicated there is no question about if she got the message and what her response is, even if she doesn't say a word.

I'm guessing your in college? For me it's about total time efficiency. I really don't give a fuck if a girl reads a message. Your right about the general quality being less, but I only really care about the boner test and several other qualities. Would I choose a girl who's really submissive, makes me breakfast in the morning and pays for dates vs a hotter girl who has princess disease and is a dead fish in bed? Helllll yes.

Post: #29

@Malc I am sure it works for some people. For example, as a test, I switched my photo to an slightly above average looking white guy, immediately the number of girls replying back to me jumped dramatically. Now, I am about the same as that guy, looks wise, BUT I am not white

Post: #30

Be safe out there...

Post: #31

Soloman II had some really good tips for online dating and how to weed out their profiles so you do not waste any time, there is a PDF link to his blog attached to this post in case you are interested in reading it.

I am a current paying member of eharmony because i preferred a pay site over a free one as the women are more serious about meeting up (ROI and all that) and out of 8 dates, 3 were flops ( entitled bitches) , 1 was a hippo, 1 flaked (twice) but was a 7.8 which is why i tried a second time and the other 3 were ok. Out of the 3 OK ones, I banged one and could have banged the other 2 but did not bother because they wanted a relationship and one started acting a bit crazy after the first date when she saw i had updated my profile ( warning sign!). I still see the one i banged on and off when i feel like it and she even pays for the beers and dinner

it is a lot of work though, the 8 dates i went on were the result of around 100 messages I have sent out. I have also been approached on there by something like 15 or 20 women , however 10 of them, maybe 12 were heffers or just too low score wise i.e. 5's and the rest I just wasn't interested in with the exception of a half cast Chinese girl i am currently working on (I gots the fever)

the biggest benefit i have found from online dating is it is helping me build my confidence and the ability to develop my game without having to go out 5 nights a week which I really do not enjoy doing in my late 30's due to a number of factors. I treat it like a supermarket of pussy and just pick what i want and take a shot but it really is a numbers game, the more you approach the more chance you have plain and simple. I spend about an hour a week on the site atm because of work and other factors but I would get much better results if I made an actual concerted effort I suspect for an hour each day.

All in all, what I learn here on RVF and on eharms through trial and error i then apply to my day/night game and the improvement in results are starting to show in a very positive way as i am getting good results now in those areas where as before i was very rusty and would crash and burn regularly although crashing and burning no longer bothers me at all, IRL or online, i just treat them as learning experiences and analyze what went down and how to do it better next time.


Attached is a copy of Solomans blog in case anyone wants it.

Post: #32

(05-04-2013 08:58 PM)loki Wrote:  Soloman II had some really good tips for online dating and how to weed out their profiles so you do not waste any time, there is a PDF link to his blog attached to this post in case you are interested in reading it.

I am a current paying member of eharmony because i preferred a pay site over a free one as the women are more serious about meeting up (ROI and all that) and out of 8 dates, 3 were flops ( entitled bitches) , 1 was a hippo, 1 flaked (twice) but was a 7.8 which is why i tried a second time and the other 3 were ok. Out of the 3 OK ones, I banged one and could have banged the other 2 but did not bother because they wanted a relationship and one started acting a bit crazy after the first date when she saw i had updated my profile ( warning sign!). I still see the one i banged on and off when i feel like it and she even pays for the beers and dinner

it is a lot of work though, the 8 dates i went on were the result of around 100 messages I have sent out. I have also been approached on there by something like 15 or 20 women , however 10 of them, maybe 12 were heffers or just too low score wise i.e. 5's and the rest I just wasn't interested in with the exception of a half cast Chinese girl i am currently working on (I gots the fever)

the biggest benefit i have found from online dating is it is helping me build my confidence and the ability to develop my game without having to go out 5 nights a week which I really do not enjoy doing in my late 30's due to a number of factors. I treat it like a supermarket of pussy and just pick what i want and take a shot but it really is a numbers game, the more you approach the more chance you have plain and simple. I spend about an hour a week on the site atm because of work and other factors but I would get much better results if I made an actual concerted effort I suspect for an hour each day.

All in all, what I learn here on RVF and on eharms through trial and error i then apply to my day/night game and the improvement in results are starting to show in a very positive way as i am getting good results now in those areas where as before i was very rusty and would crash and burn regularly although crashing and burning no longer bothers me at all, IRL or online, i just treat them as learning experiences and analyze what went down and how to do it better next time.


Attached is a copy of Solomans blog in case anyone wants it.

You noticed how when a woman initiates contact, it's usually because she's mediocre or straight busted in some way or another, and HAS to be more aggressive. More attractive chicks just sit back and wait, then pick and choose who they think meets THEIR standards. It's good that you're getting dates - that can be a problem on many other sites, as women simply flake when it comes time to take things off-line. You should always mix online with going out and approaching, but you can definitely use what you've learned online.

Post: #33

I go back and forth between hating and loving internet game. I'll go in a cycle as follows:

Get way too absorbed, frustrated by lack of quality, then deactivate account.

Try to get laid with residual numbers before I deactivate, usually get laid 1/3.

Get my shit together all week, reactivate account because I feel like I'm too strong to get absorbed again.

Have solid frame, message 15 girls, get 10 responses within two days, get laid by Thursday.

The cycle continues when I associate getting online with why I got laid, rather than the momentum giving me a great frame of mind. I get outcome oriented, become a refresh button zombie, cycle continues.

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If you use Roosh's Day Bang model and experiment a bit, you'll probably land where I did. No reason to reinvent the wheel; successful Internet game is just exacerbated day game with the ego boosting of night game. With a solid profile, indirect works tenfold over direct because every dude grows a pair of balls when all you have to do is wiggle your fingers on a keyboard.

I've gotten probably 200-300 numbers and 40 notches from okc in the past 2.5 years, mostly 5-7 quality. Most notches were first date. Several were basically internet booty calls, especially after quick IM convos, in which case a more direct approach can actually be fruitful, since it satisfies their
need for charged, rapid fire entertainment.

Keep in mind I have a very good written profile, with above average picture quality (photos are cell phone, Instagram is awesome for making shitty quality pictures look cool that's why girls do it). I agree with above poster that decently long descriptions are important. Don't look at girls profiles for examples, scope out the competition and learn from writing styles of good dude profiles, same as you would learn from alphas in person.

I also work with animals, and girls seriously eat that shit up. I haven't gotten good enough at rambling in person to big bait drop, but if how hard it hooks at night and Internet is any indication, it's gonna kill.

Here is my system:

1) The classic MM 3-second rule applies. Within three seconds of looking at her photos, make a funny observation/confused question. Do not read her profile at all.

2) Use whatever texting timing rule you are mos comfortable with, I like Roosh's +/- 25% response time.

3) Conversation combines 1 and 2. If you get a reply quickly check the time elapsed and then close out, when enough time passes read her most recent message only and apply 1.

4) Go for number after she gives a couple solid IOI's, usually after 3-4 replies from her side, continue convo for about a sentence.

"We should grab a drink and chat."

Another short sentence about a thing to chat about.

6) She'll respond with definitely/sure/I'd like that/etc, maybe give you her availability.

7) Cool what's your #? I'm busy with [intersting project] all week but I should be good by Sunday. I'm BarkChompson btw.

8) This last part I'm not sure about how because it goes into text game which I'm mediocre at, at best. She gives her number, I text her within 24 hours (48 is too long, with lack of physical interaction it's important you're still fresh in her mind, haven't found sweet spot yet).

Make a fake girl profile, you'll learn quickly how shitty 95% of dudes are at this (not exaggerating). Whereas they usually just open their laptops, type up some words and then get rewarded with pornstars with jizz on their faces and then expect all girls to want their dicks because the last computer girl did.

A solid conversation during the date will be their experience with Internet dating experience so far. Either they haven't actually met up with someone ever, which is common once you get good, or they have been on a couple shitty dates. They may have had some one night stands, but they won't tell you even if they are totally dtf (there are a lot of other signs that are pretty obvious so it's not that important). Then it's really easy to separate yourself from the shit-crowd and go from there.

Happy Hunting

Post: #34

(05-04-2013 09:40 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  You noticed how when a woman initiates contact, it's usually because she's mediocre or straight busted in some way or another, and HAS to be more aggressive. More attractive chicks just sit back and wait, then pick and choose who they think meets THEIR standards. It's good that you're getting dates - that can be a problem on many other sites, as women simply flake when it comes time to take things off-line. You should always mix online with going out and approaching, but you can definitely use what you've learned online.

Yes and no, just over half of the ones that have contacted me directly have been heffers or total red card drop balls as i said, but the rest have been 7's or better looks wise. That said you are correct about some of the 8's and better being very lazy and expecting us to do all the chasing and i seriously cant be fucked with women like that because if they are like that upfront, they are going to be entitled bitches in a relationship ( these are 8+s online not IRL) and i aint playing that shit now i dropped the red pill.

One that approached me and was cute and all (solid 7) had her in stitches and eating out of my hand then we finally lined up a weekend to meet and it was raining heaps hard so she didnt want to come out to meet as agreed yet expected me to drive an hour + in the rain to her house, so i canned her ass rolled a fat spliff and spent the arvo listening to music on my dedicated 2 chan rig, fuck that i never spoke to her again after that even though she kept msging me via sms.

When i have made contact with 8's and 9's they have all accepted my eharms email but only 2 in 10 has replied, so the rest obviously expect you to write a 13 page love letter to them when you dont even know them. Not all cuties have responded , and about 1/3 have blocked me (used the closed option)...and wtf is with that shit on there, women can close your profile to their account on the spot but as males we cant or am i missing something? I do agree with you if you are saying the 8's and better are much more work online because they are for the most part.

As you can see online i have about 100 approaches under my belt and for day game/night game IRL I have about 20-25 approaches so far since i joined rvf this year.

I understand better now why it works when i pay little attention and or treat them like something slightly above nothing but it still makes me a bit sad inside, as in having taken the red pill....even talking to my sister now i see so many of the traits i never identified before i.e the hamster and self entitlement and well it pisses me off ...oh well that's life i guess.

what i do know for sure is i am getting much better, much more confident, dropped down from 98.5kg to 94kg by changing my dietary intake ( not dieting per say, just healthy eating) so i look like i did 10 years ago weight wise... keep in mind i was 110kg this time last year! I am also holding better conversations ( i use stacking when i get stuck to keep it going which has helped a lot) and tend to have much better results when i go out if i go dolo. Mind you I also discovered last weekend going out with a female not attached to you helps big time as well so i need to get me some more wing women for future nights out (in progress).

I need to stop pulling women i dont want, like i seem to be able to pull chicks i dont want to bang with out trying , i need to flip wtf ever it is i am doing and work that shit on the women i do want, on demand which I think is related to my inner game and is under analysis atm

As you can see i am a novice at this point but i am learning and learning fast ( or so i like to think) and once i get myself a good wingman ( all my old ones are married now or OS) i think i will get even better results again and start racking up some serious notches.

the one other very important thing i now have back on track is concentrating on making bank, like i used to before i broke up with my ex, that and looking after my health are now my number 1 priorities...the rest just flows if i look after them or so it seems.

sorry for the long reply i will go back to my music and research now

peace out

Loki

Post: #35

(05-04-2013 09:40 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  You noticed how when a woman initiates contact, it's usually because she's mediocre or straight busted in some way or another, and HAS to be more aggressive. More attractive chicks just sit back and wait, then pick and choose who they think meets THEIR standards. It's good that you're getting dates - that can be a problem on many other sites, as women simply flake when it comes time to take things off-line. You should always mix online with going out and approaching, but you can definitely use what you've learned online.

Good looking/status guys are guilty of this too.

Post: #36

Quote:When i have made contact with 8's and 9's they have all accepted my eharms email but only 2 in 10 has replied, so the rest obviously expect you to write a 13 page love letter to them when you dont even know them. Not all cuties have responded , and about 1/3 have blocked me (used the closed option)...and wtf is with that shit on there, women can close your profile to their account on the spot but as males we cant or am i missing something? I do agree with you if you are saying the 8's and better are much more work online because they are for the most part.

There's a lot of truth to this. The entitlement thing. They expect a perfect stranger to blow them away with their message, when they have the most basic profile that shares practically nothing about themselves. Yeah, she's somewhat attractive and initiated, but the result is no different than the mediocre chick - nothing happens because they've created an impossible standard that can't be met.

Post: #37

(05-05-2013 06:45 AM)Power_Ranger Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 09:40 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  You noticed how when a woman initiates contact, it's usually because she's mediocre or straight busted in some way or another, and HAS to be more aggressive. More attractive chicks just sit back and wait, then pick and choose who they think meets THEIR standards. It's good that you're getting dates - that can be a problem on many other sites, as women simply flake when it comes time to take things off-line. You should always mix online with going out and approaching, but you can definitely use what you've learned online.

Good looking/status guys are guilty of this too.

Good looking/status guys still are conditioned to initiate - they just get more responses.

Post: #38

(05-05-2013 08:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  There's a lot of truth to this. The entitlement thing. They expect a perfect stranger to blow them away with their message, when they have the most basic profile that shares practically nothing about themselves. Yeah, she's somewhat attractive and initiated, but the result is no different than the mediocre chick - nothing happens because they've created an impossible standard that can't be met.

It's just the abundance mentality. Any half decent woman on a dating site has so much abundance that it raises the bar that much higher. We'd be doing the same I suppose if dozens of women were messaging us a day.

Post: #39

I'm still up in the air about online dating. I created an OKCupid profile and uploaded some REALLY high quality photos that my friend took of me. I also listed my income as being really high (which is actually true, but there's on way to prove it). I'll get messaged about once ever week and a half or so. I've banged 2 girls from there with literally zero effort (but admittedly they were pretty bad quality. I won't be calling either of them again). But I also got messaged by this 20 year old chick...she was attractive and actually pretty cool in person. Also keep in mind that I live in Manhattan, so girls on OKC are probably more active here than in most cities

Post: #40

About a year ago I actually hired a virtual assistant to set up dates for me from OKCupid in San Francisco, a la Tim Ferriss.

Result? $300 later I had exactly zero dates.

Online dating - hell, DATING - in the United States is such an incredibly frustrating scenario that if you've never left the country and visited a PP, you'd think that this was normal...

So I suggest taking the hours upon hours wasted on OKC and the bored, vapid, discontent American/Canadian girls you'll find there and building a location independent business.

And soon enough, you'll be able to abscond to somewhere like, say, Thailand, where the girls - model gorgeous, sweet, feminine girls - flood YOUR inbox on thaifriendly.com and ask YOU over late on a Sunday night to "have wine and we eat cake".

Post: #41

(05-06-2013 01:17 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  And soon enough, you'll be able to abscond to somewhere like, say, Thailand, where the girls - model gorgeous, sweet, feminine girls - flood YOUR inbox on thaifriendly.com and ask YOU over late on a Sunday night to "have wine and we eat cake".

Are you speaking from actual experience of online dating in a PP or are you just assuming that's how things are going to be there?

Post: #42

(05-05-2013 08:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  There's a lot of truth to this. The entitlement thing. They expect a perfect stranger to blow them away with their message, when they have the most basic profile that shares practically nothing about themselves. Yeah, she's somewhat attractive and initiated, but the result is no different than the mediocre chick - nothing happens because they've created an impossible standard that can't be met.

which is why they are on a dating site in the first place...

Post: #43

(05-06-2013 01:27 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  Are you speaking from actual experience of online dating in a PP or are you just assuming that's how things are going to be there?

Actual experience. ==> my ThaiFriendly profile.

My inbox on any given day. Completely unsolicited messages:



Messages are from mostly cute girls. Some are model hot. Some are model not. But the average is nice. Here's a random (non-cherry picked) slice of gals from TF between 18-22:




I have to go invisible on Skype just to get any work done. It's crazy. 180 degrees from OKC in the US let me tell ya. :-)

Post: #44

(05-06-2013 01:27 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  It's just the abundance mentality. Any half decent woman on a dating site has so much abundance that it raises the bar that much higher. We'd be doing the same I suppose if dozens of women were messaging us a day. ?

Bingo. That's exactly what happens!

Girl lives too many skytrain stops away from me? Next!

Girl doesn't have skype and wants me too add her on line or whatsapp or whatever they use here? Next!

Girl doesn't want to meet and wants to yap on messenger for hours? Next!

Girl doesn't want to meet me for a drink at 10:30pm in MY part of town? There's one that does...

It's economics. When you have an abundance of choice, why waste your time on unlikely prospects?

That's why I don't blame women in Western countries for acting 'ting tong' ... it's just the inevitable result of a messed up culture and a gender marketplace with a surplus of single dudes. Doesn't mean I wanna stay there, though!

Post: #45

The majority of my bangs come via online game. Yeah, for players that are able to swoop in day to day life, it's most likely a waste of time. It's easy to say approach, approach, approach, but it's just not realistic for everyone out there. It's a good way to establish a pussy foundation and prevent yourself from being too thirsty. Next, you've already isolated. Don't have to worry about her friends thinking she is a slut or anything like that. Nobody knows what she's doing. In fact, she's a lot more likely to get nasty than if you met her at a party. As for time, yes it's a bit of a drain, but I just spam out copy/paste messages. It's not ideal, but it works well enough as long as you tweek it every few weeks. Next, I have access to 18-23 yo women, which is going to be a lot harder to come by in real life, at least for me and my lifestyle. Lastly, I don't think there is a secret, or special system to it. Obviously good pics and a decent profile. I have recently started lying about my age by a few years, and I have noticed the difference. The shit is streaky. There will be months where nothing will develop, next thing you know, you've banged 3 chicks in a week. Just role with it and dont take it too seriously.