Post: #26

(11-15-2012 12:25 AM)Pioneer 11 Wrote:  Sometimes it is fun to jerk off to the brink and then back off, bring it to the brink again and stop. Don't blow your wad. Do this 2-3 hours before you go out and you will feel an animalistic type buzz, almost like an intense caffeine buzz. I know it makes me ultra motivated and you will be in full attack mode. I have noticed that you will feel drawn to babes who may not be the "best" looking but girls who you personally find sexually desirable. Not something to do all the time but something to experiment with to see if you notice a difference in your 1. Success rate 2. Target preference

Caveat: this method may result in scooping a less than desirable slam-pig at closing time or exhausting your late night booty call list. Nobody gets hurt.

Worth a try. And better be careful.

Post: #27

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Post: #28

You need 2-3 hours to chill out for a bit, get something to eat something and shower. If you go out right away you will feel like running your war helmet through a brick wall. A couple hours lets the savage fire die down to a smolder. Do NOT forget your shield and spear.

Post: #29

Oh, misread what you wrote. You mean wait for 2 - 3 hrs before going out after doing this ok.

Post: #30

(11-15-2012 12:25 AM)Pioneer 11 Wrote:  Sometimes it is fun to jerk off to the brink and then back off, bring it to the brink again and stop. Don't blow your wad. Do this 2-3 hours before you go out and you will feel an animalistic type buzz, almost like an intense caffeine buzz. I know it makes me ultra motivated and you will be in full attack mode. I have noticed that you will feel drawn to babes who may not be the "best" looking but girls who you personally find sexually desirable. Not something to do all the time but something to experiment with to see if you notice a difference in your 1. Success rate 2. Target preference

Caveat: this method may result in scooping a less than desirable slam-pig at closing time or exhausting your late night booty call list. Nobody gets hurt.

Holy shit that seems like a long time. I can totally understand a different target preference, so how about success rate--what have you noticed?

I'll try this tomorrow. Question is, if you do it and don't bang by the end of the night is it permissable to jerk off to completion

Post: #31

A lot of it has do with your natural sex drive. If you have a high sex drive then ye. The point is you want to feel highly motivated and horny every time you step out because that's what is going to give you that killer instinct.

Post: #32

In my experience, this method compels me to stay out and hunt all night until I find something to scoop or a chick from the rotation sends a horny text. If all else fails, and you are not crippled drunk by this time it is permissible to beat it. It is much better if you can hold off and save yourself for battle the following night. Once you do bust one try to watch it fly because it will be a Peter North style mother load.
I have found that my targets with this method tend to be very voluptuous babes (even more than usual). Quality of face takes a back burner to the primal attractants of tits and ass. All in good fun, variety is the spice of life.

Post: #33

One important point about masturbation is why you do it. IF you mostly masturbate to deal with stress, like I do, then unless you find another way of handling the stress it will be difficult to reduce it. If you use it to escape from your reality, like a drug, then unless you can change your reality it will also be difficult. The bottom line is that unless you can correct to some extent the reason you do it, it will be very difficult to reduce it significantly. For me, for example, the more pressure I am under at work the more I do it as stress relief. IF I had some girl I could just call over at any time, bang, and get her to leave and go back to work - I would do that but it's not exactly easy to find. Banging girls, even fuck buddies, take up a lot of time and energy.

Post: #34

I don't think it's a problem of masturbation that you describe but a problem caused by porn. Masturbation is as natural and healthy as sex, porn is not so much. Quit with the porn and train your dick/mind during masturbation.

Post: #35

True, it's two separate issues but related. Any way you slice or dice it masturbation will reduce your drive to approach and close women. The same way, banging a girl will. But I agree, a lot can be done with mental control.

Post: #36

NoFap is the shit. Just the thought of getting my dick inside a girl gets me excited right now.

The release jstu isn't worth it.

Post: #37

Its all about balance imho.

One could make a case for too much weight lifting and eating right as well - barring the use of roids. While a good healthy dose of iron is good, raises testosterone levels substantially, too much can raise your blood pressure levels and make you retain too much fluid which can ultimately affect your sexual performance and ability to get hard and stay hard.

My metabolism is pretty high, so if I don't time my meals and potty times about right, those too can affect my stamina and performance, even if my brain is telling my dick the girl I'm with has passed the boner test, so the animal attraction can be f-ed with a bit.

Difference with porn is the visual, visceral comparison, which can mentally lead to desensitization for the real thing when over done.

However, I've had weeks where I didn't jack, and was uncontrollably horny, and others where I did the same and seemed to be loosing my sex drive.. with one constant in either case.. hitting the gym 1-3 times per week regularly.

At any rate, the exhaustion from jackin or hitting the gym too hard before banging chicks probably is the parameter that affects me the most, besides just continual sex itself.

I'm at peak performance having not within 24-48 hours of the actual bang session.

Post: #38

I have a pretty good sense of my battery charge. Sometimes I have energy to spare, and even feel overcharged, so blowing a load is no problem. Other times I'll feel the need to avoid coming, in order to keep the batteries at a good level.

But generally I prefer to have women available, and not masturbate at all. If it's a dry spell, it comes back again to my batteries. Low batteries means low motivation.

As a teenager I used to keep it to once a week, but then go all out. I once did an 11 week meditation retreat with no fapping, and my horniness level dropped dramatically - I guess is that no masturbation or sexual stimulation of any kind leads to lowered testosterone. So I can see the need for balance. We have to become attuned to our own bodies and honest about how much energy we can handle. It's frustrating to be too horny - but depleting to release.

Generally I prefer to fuck a lot but not come every time. For guys who think that this is somehow anhedonic or holding out from pleasure, you've probably already heard a hundred times that that is not necessarily the case at all, and so probably really don't want to know any different than you already do. But for those with a more open mind, you can retrain your system such that you get WAY bigger sexual feelings without coming than by coming. You'll reach higher and higher plateaus and sustain them, and coming will seem like a minor anti-climax to you.

Post: #39

Is that the tantric stuff I keep hearing about?

Post: #40

(11-24-2012 11:32 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Is that the tantric stuff I keep hearing about?

I'm not sure about that. The tantra that I'm familiar with is all about non-dual awareness, but the chi-kung, or Daoist, or kundalini sex that I'm familiar with is not specifically about non-dual awareness. So I'm a bit picky about misusing the term tantra in regards to energetically aware sex, even if it is a common term nowadays.

I think chi-kung sex would be an appropriate term. That also leaves room for more individual variation, as chi-kung practices have many ritual forms, but can also be pretty well made up by the practitioner as he goes along. And there is little philosophy attached, and no deities, and no need for witness consciousness - it's mostly at the level of kinesthetic awareness. Some say that energetic awareness can be a stepping stone to even more subtle levels of awareness, but I'm not sure if it really works that way. But even if it doesn't lead to a non-dual state, it does make you feel like you are mixing with the girl. You literally feel your own energies in your body mix with the girls, so you feel as if you can feel right inside her. As she is about to come, you'll feel it, and as she comes you'll feel it so strongly as if you were also coming.

And instead of having to ejaculate, you can hold your sensations at the level of just before you would normally come, and then get used to it, and then let them raise higher to another plateau. And again. And again. Until you are screaming your fucking head off out of the intensity, with every stroke. The intensity of the sexual sensation can get so much that it is indistinguishable from pain, but you don't have to raise it quite that high if you don't want to. But if you do the girl could bite down on your nipple just before the point of causing blood, and you'd feel only intense pleasure - no pain.

You can retrain your sex so that you not only don't have to come, but if you do choose to come, you actually have to step down from a high plateau in order to do it, and the coming feels like an anti-climax.

Girls like both the intensity and the staying power, however a very small minority of girls will be initially slightly freaked at the intensity. After they get used to it they'll not want you to come either.

This type of sex works much better with girls that you are really into and have chemistry with. Some girls will have energy shooting up my spine every time, others will never have energy shooting up my spine. It's the sexually awake little hotties that get the fire going.

Post: #41

Hmmm, I heard about this stuff. Will have to look into it. Better yet, I have to find someone that would be worth the effort here in the US.

Post: #42

I wanted to add something to this thread that I have become awarded of after not masturbating for awhile. Stopping masturbating completely is not the answer in my opinion. After awhile, you actually lose sexual awareness, you just don't get as horny anymore. The old adage use it or lose it begins to kick in. Also, you can get edgy/nervous at times and that's not good with girls. So now, I do masturbate but only occasionally when I feel especially high strung. But even more importantly, I have come to understand that your sexuality is primarily mental in nature. You have to condition your "mind" to become sexual around women. This is something I am currently working on. You have to be able to look at a 6 and arouse a desire within you that's strong enough that you want to interact with her in a sexual manner. At the end of the day, your sexual desire will be the motivation that drives everything (unless you are flag hunting), re-awaking it with average/regular women is really the key.

Post: #43

Ha, knew it was only a matter of time before this thread popped up again.

Not fapping is not going to get you girls. How many times have you been at a bar filled with hot girls and thought, "damn, I just can't talk to any of them because I jerked myself off earlier today."

Don't cockblock yourself with this crap. Don't be lazy. Just go out and meet them.

Post: #44

I never really have a problem approaching. I do have a problem with sexual escalation on girls below an 8.

Post: #45

Porn is a pretty big game killer and there was a time that I was convinced that watching porn constantly and maintaining a sex life could work... But of course it didnt and trying to get out and motivated enough to approach women without that animal instinct that pent up testosterone gives you, I just couldnt do it. The comfort of porn left me feeling content psychologically when it came to sex, but the desire of real physical women left a strange cognitive dissonance and feeling of failure that I kept leading myself to every time I would jerk off.

Post: #46

(01-05-2013 06:02 PM)RouteBackwards Wrote:  Porn is a pretty big game killer and there was a time that I was convinced that watching porn constantly and maintaining a sex life could work... But of course it didnt and trying to get out and motivated enough to approach women without that animal instinct that pent up testosterone gives you, I just couldnt do it. The comfort of porn left me feeling content psychologically when it came to sex, but the desire of real physical women left a strange cognitive dissonance and feeling of failure that I kept leading myself to every time I would jerk off.

"but of course it didn't work"

No, your willpower wasn't strong enough. Stop whining and just do it. Your game should work irrespective of how you feel. Only women let their feelings push them around even when it isn't in their best interest. This is a giant hamster of a thread.

Post: #47

@soup It's easy for you say but sometimes others need to talk about something to get motivated. If this thread was just one giant hamster as you put it then so would all AA meetings.

Post: #48

(01-05-2013 06:18 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  @soup It's easy for you say but sometimes others need to talk about something to get motivated. If this thread was just one giant hamster as you put it then so would all AA meetings.

I believe that game is essentially about will power. This is the thing that really separates us from women.

I insist that this thread is espousing a generalization that isn't based in science: stop fapping and your game will improve.

If you want to stop fapping, just stop. Feel the burn. Get some discipline.

Post: #49

@soup Are you arguing that someone could masturbate all day and still have the same level of "will power" to go out and approach women?

Post: #50

I am on day 32 and I can see I am getting much more assertive in my everyday experiences. Also, I killed my porn addiction and decreased my sexual fantasy addiction quite considerably so I am all for no fap.