Post: #26

Great fair post.

My comments in bold below.

(11-09-2012 11:41 AM)46. Wrote:  First off, great moderation Roosh. Way to stay on top of everyone's concerns.

About G; a few issues that haven't received attention:

1. No one mentions G's incredible restraint in being “mean” (lol) to other posters. I mean, the guy has thread after thread started about him. Hundreds and hundreds of [email protected] posts about smoking, SoCal driving, not being 'authentic,” pocket squares...the list goes on and on. All directed at G. In looking at Gs behavior no one adjusts for degree of difficulty. Very, very few posters (certainly not me), would show the restraint. G has.

I think I have been very restrained at times. Who else on here gets attacked more than once? With me, its wave after wave.

2. No one calls out people attacking G for not knowing what the f--- they're talking about. A common criticism of G is he brags to much, but NO one brings up the fact he regularly discusses his 0 for 49 Reverse Marciano streak. He's written about numerous rejections- personal, social, etc. If I go 0 – 49, believe me...I ain't discussing it. When you hear both FAILURE, as well as success from someone, in my experience, usually that’s the guy you trust. People can hate, but hating without doing the homework is soft.

I think I talk about failure more than most. My Latvia Data Sheets were all about failure. Again, when I wrote them every one was talking about how great the place was. You have to keep everything in context.

3. The obsession with “authenticity” and need for “proof” is baffling to me. If you read Gs stuff, he's detailed hundreds of illegal activities he's been involved in. So why would he want to be more public????? It's smart Internet policy. Nothing good can come from it. Maybe my expectations in requiring people to use a higher form of logic and think about why G isn't “public” after detailing years criminal activity is too high??? Please people, think. Statute of limitations anyone? C'mon. And if people obsessed with “authenticity” want to lead by example, then they should go public and detail their illegal activities on their facebook page or a blog for employers and the world to see. Relative anonymity makes all this possible.

I have no problem with this as long as others are held to the same standards as I am. They are not.

4. The issue with G is a generational divide. I think many younger posters don't understand that many people live a G-like lifestyle. There's life beyond the dorm. I'm guessing for most ballin' 30+ posters, G's stuff is gold. I know I can't find many ideas on dominating places from Brennan's in NO to Balthazar in NY. This stuff is incredibly unique, but foreign to a lot of people. So they don't believe it. Hopefully someday they will because its awesome.

I really think many people on here will understand what I write about in 10 years. People have to understand that I have been doing this since I was a kid. I probably have 15 years in The Game on most people. Let's talk in 15.

5. The issue with G is a cultural divide. G's just talks s---. Why? Because its fun. Its a black vernacular style designed to self-aggrandize and display extreme confidence, etc, but in a mostly harmless way. It's not all literal. I'm black, and when I tell a white chick, for example “I need the mirror more than you because I'm so good looking,” they initially think its incredibly obnoxious, but they quickly learn its just playful, confident fun. Think of it as an art form- like most art forms, creativity wins. For all yall sociologist m------- f-----ers out there, its the polar opposite of the WASP model of quiet, humble resolve swathed in staid, Buckley-esque hues of Block Island Red lounging beneath a weekend canopy of late summer azalea in the serene Bar Harbor garden.

Well said. Some people didn't grow up in environments were people poked fun. I mistakenly think people grew up like me playing sports and hanging around other men.

I now know the error of my thinking.

Post: #27

Quote:This is coming from the guy who posted some pictures of himself on here then scurried to Roosh to have them removed.

This is not accurate. He removed them himself with the Manage Attachments feature. Anyone can delete photos they've uploaded.

Post: #28

(11-09-2012 12:00 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:This is coming from the guy who posted some pictures of himself on here then scurried to Roosh to have them removed.

This is not accurate. He removed them himself with the Manage Attachments feature. Anyone can delete photos they've uploaded.

Fair enough.

Same result.

Post: #29

Conclusion he won't meet anyone todaylove it or hate it. Finally over. Lets get back to seeing more good openers like "got a light"

Post: #30

(11-09-2012 11:10 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 11:04 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  G - I had pics removed to protect the people in them not myself. Some white knight reached out to a girl with a CS profile I had listed in a thread.

I showed up at the RVF meetup and continue to network with members locally. People know what I look like. I'm also FB friends with members like Swagger. All my pics are on there. Nothing to be worried about.

You have yet to walk the walk but continue to talk.

Just get over it.

You are not one of the people I would meet on here.

Sorry to hurt your feelings, like I said before, I know some people on here are very sensitive.

I am trying not to slap people around. And I am trying to be aware of people's feelings on here.

Let it go.

Please. I've never complained to Roosh about you. I can handle myself. I'm a real guy out here. Could care less who you would care to meet. You don't technically exist.

Post: #31

Post: #32

(11-09-2012 11:41 AM)46. Wrote:  4. The issue with G is a generational divide. I think many younger posters don't understand that many people live a G-like lifestyle. There's life beyond the dorm. I'm guessing for most ballin' 30+ posters, G's stuff is gold. I know I can't find many ideas on dominating places from Brennan's in NO to Balthazar in NY. This stuff is incredibly unique, but foreign to a lot of people. So they don't believe it. Hopefully someday they will because its awesome.

I've noticed the opposite. Most of the dudes who have problems with G are older. And most of the dude who are really into him are younger.

I'm older. I dig G's style, but I also understand the issue that some people have. Everyone has had friends who talk a big game. It goes on for a while, sometimes a long while cause no one wants to call the guy out and upset the group or because they like the guy. Sometimes the guy turns out to be legit and everyone feels a little bad for questioning him and somethimes the guy ends up getting disposed as a fake.

I dont think that we'll get that kind of resolution here. It's the internet after all and everyone is entitled to choose their level of privacy. And everyone else is entitled to decide who they take seriously or don't.

I will say that Roosh has handled this well. You can't let it go on, but it would be a mistake to try and force G out I the forum. A lot of people like him.

Post: #33

I'm curious about what will come of this.





Whoops wrong thread.

Post: #34

(11-09-2012 12:00 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:This is coming from the guy who posted some pictures of himself on here then scurried to Roosh to have them removed.

This is not accurate. He removed them himself with the Manage Attachments feature. Anyone can delete photos they've uploaded.

Classic G red herring/straw man/ad hominem falsehood. Inflammatory and unproductive. Does nothing to obscure the fact that every other top poster has a validated identity.

Post: #35

(11-09-2012 12:22 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:00 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:This is coming from the guy who posted some pictures of himself on here then scurried to Roosh to have them removed.

This is not accurate. He removed them himself with the Manage Attachments feature. Anyone can delete photos they've uploaded.

Classic G red herring/straw man/ad hominem falsehood. Inflammatory and unproductive. Does nothing to obscure the fact that every other top poster has a validated identity.

I understand. You are a sensitive guy.

I keep telling you to let it go, but you can't seem to stop.

I wont be responding to you anymore.

Side note:

Am I the only one on here that got sick of this topic of conversation the 30th time it was rehashed?

Post: #36

(11-09-2012 12:34 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:22 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:00 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:This is coming from the guy who posted some pictures of himself on here then scurried to Roosh to have them removed.

This is not accurate. He removed them himself with the Manage Attachments feature. Anyone can delete photos they've uploaded.

Classic G red herring/straw man/ad hominem falsehood. Inflammatory and unproductive. Does nothing to obscure the fact that every other top poster has a validated identity.

I understand. You are a sensitive guy.

I keep telling you to let it go, but you can't seem to stop.

I wont be responding to you anymore.

Side note:

Am I the only one on here that got sick of this topic of conversation the 30th time it was rehashed?

Good for you. I will call out BS every time I see it. It's not getting past me.

Post: #37

My only (slight) criticism of G Manifesto is that he sometimes tries to glamorize what looks to me like some corporate sales manager's boring road schedule.

For example, he says: "What’s up? Not a bad year so far. Hitting Switches" to:

Quote:January: San Diego, CA, Coronado, CA, Miami Beach

February: Palm Beach, Florida, Miami Beach

March: Hollywood, CA

April: Hollywood, CA, Playa Del Carmen, Mexico

May: San Diego, CA, Norte Baja, Mexico

June: Montreal, Canada

July: Montreal, Canada

August: Montreal, Canada

Personally, you couldn't pay me to visit these soul-crushing North American cities with inferior women in quality, quantity, and most importantly, accessibility. Yeah, I know Montreal has its fans, but I've been there, it still can't compare to Post-Soviet Europe for me.


I guess that's what occasionally rubs me the wrong way about G's posturing.


An (extreme) analogy would be some working-class stiff from Manchester in the UK, flying Ryan Air to Poland for 20 quid, then writing a blog post from his 10 euro hostel bunk bed saying: "I'm an international man of mystery with devastating style, killing women from the private clubs of London to the sexy lounge-bars of Warsaw. James who?"

Technically, it may be true. But you sense somewhat of a disconnect there.


But I do think he has something that works for him and isn't making stuff up out of thin air.

Post: #38

(11-09-2012 12:58 PM)temujin Wrote:  My only (slight) criticism of G Manifesto is that he sometimes tries to glamorize what looks to me like some corporate sales manager's boring road schedule.

For example, he says: "What’s up? Not a bad year so far. Hitting Switches" to:

Quote:January: San Diego, CA, Coronado, CA, Miami Beach

February: Palm Beach, Florida, Miami Beach

March: Hollywood, CA

April: Hollywood, CA, Playa Del Carmen, Mexico

May: San Diego, CA, Norte Baja, Mexico

June: Montreal, Canada

July: Montreal, Canada

August: Montreal, Canada

Personally, you couldn't pay me to visit these soul-crushing North American cities with inferior women in quality, quantity, and most importantly, accessibility. Yeah, I know Montreal has its fans, but I've been there, it still can't compare to Post-Soviet Europe for me.


I guess that's what occasionally rubs me the wrong way about G's posturing.


An (extreme) analogy would be some working-class stiff from Manchester in the UK, flying Ryan Air to Poland for 20 quid, then writing a blog post from his 10 euro hostel bunk bed saying: "I'm an international man of mystery with devastating style, killing women from the private clubs of London to the sexy lounge-bars of Warsaw."

Technically, it may be true. But you sense somewhat of a disconnect there.

Different strokes.

I never thought my taste in travel would be questioned. Oh well, might as well question me from every angle while we are at it.

The furthest East I have been is Latvia. It was not my favorite place.

A cold industrial, landlocked town in Eastern Europe is not my brand of vodka.

However, I can understand why people like it.

I like beaches and warm weather.

I wouldn't call Miami Beach, Coronado, CA, Hollywood, CA, Playa Del Carmen, Mexico, Norte Baja, Mexico, San Diego, CA and Montreal, Canada exactly "soul crushing".

Some people like perfect weather and beautiful beaches.

Have you been to all those places? You really think they suck?

Not sure what "corporate sales manager" spends 4 months in Montreal and goes to Norte Baja as well. Sounds like a cool job to me though.

Do you surf?

Do you box? You might notice there are some pretty nice beaches, and boxing gyms in the places I have been this year.

Everyone has different likes and dislikes, right?

Post: #39

There actually are beautiful beaches with perfect weather in the Eastern bloc as well.

Granted, a place like Croatia or Montenegro will have mostly pebble beaches. But still sparkling green/blue water with breathtaking views. Lots of tourists though and easily swamped by the mainstream herd.

Anyhow, the travel schedule thing was just an example. We all obviously have different tastes and likes.

But I'd still say that for most of the posters here, going to say, Lithuania or Poland, is going to allow them to bang above their pay grade at a far greater clip than going suited up with a cigar and lighter to San Diego or Southern California. ;-)

Post: #40

For those of you who think that G is being unfairly targeted or being asked to prove himself. Here is G on Toronto:

(07-15-2012 09:13 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I am saying I have never heard anyone in real life say Toronto is hard.

My friends I went with, say it's easy.

My friend there right now making a movie there says it's easy.

Everyone I know that has been says its easy.

Quote:There is a reason that Toronto is one of the birthplaces of PUA, with Mystery et al. Also, Tyler from RSD is from Kingston which is not too far.

I think this proves more than anything that there is a problem with Toronto guys.

He came into a thread and started this argument, nobody went after him or asked him for his opinion on Toronto. He created the drama, he was the antagonist, coming into the thread and calling out a bunch of guys. In this situation, it's not unreasonable to ask the person who's experience differs from all others, to put up or shut up.

Post: #41

(11-09-2012 01:44 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  For those of you who think that G is being unfairly targeted or being asked to prove himself. Here is G on Toronto:

(07-15-2012 09:13 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I am saying I have never heard anyone in real life say Toronto is hard.

My friends I went with, say it's easy.

My friend there right now making a movie there says it's easy.

Everyone I know that has been says its easy.

Quote:There is a reason that Toronto is one of the birthplaces of PUA, with Mystery et al. Also, Tyler from RSD is from Kingston which is not too far.

I think this proves more than anything that there is a problem with Toronto guys.

He came into a thread and started this argument, nobody went after him or asked him for his opinion on Toronto. He created the drama, he was the antagonist, coming into the thread and calling out a bunch of guys. In this situation, it's not unreasonable to ask the person who's experience differs from all others, to put up or shut up.

Do you really want to bring this up again from 4 months ago, or just move past it?

Since then, others have come out supporting my experience on this forum.

I am past it.

Post: #42

I couldn't care less about anything in this thread, except that I would like to see G's closet an his suits/shoes.

Post: #43

(11-09-2012 12:37 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:34 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:22 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 12:00 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:This is coming from the guy who posted some pictures of himself on here then scurried to Roosh to have them removed.

This is not accurate. He removed them himself with the Manage Attachments feature. Anyone can delete photos they've uploaded.

Classic G red herring/straw man/ad hominem falsehood. Inflammatory and unproductive. Does nothing to obscure the fact that every other top poster has a validated identity.

I understand. You are a sensitive guy.

I keep telling you to let it go, but you can't seem to stop.

I wont be responding to you anymore.

Side note:

Am I the only one on here that got sick of this topic of conversation the 30th time it was rehashed?

Good for you. I will call out BS every time I see it. It's not getting past me.

If you are going to call out bullshit then you might as well start with yourself man. You were not taking down pictures just because of the girls but also expressing needs for privacy because of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Post: #44

(11-09-2012 01:47 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Do you really want to bring this up again from 4 months ago, or just move past it?

That's fine, but then don't make out like you are some misunderstood tragic hero who is being attacked needlessly when all you are trying to do is help.

If you are going into a thread, lighting a match and then fanning the flames, expect to get attacked. None of this "woe me", I have really tried to be restrained crap.

Post: #45

Meh, I'm over all this shit, it was entertaining to read about, but I'm surprised guys are still squabbling over it. I think the passion pro-G, and anti-G is kind of lame, basically I don't give a fuck. It will be interesting to see if anyone actually meets the guy over the next year, if he's based in Miami or SoCal there are a bunch of high-repped members in those areas, so a meet-up should be no big thing.

Anyways, if anything, I'm glad that were at a point on this forum where you can call out a guy like G-Manifesto, it seemed like at the end of "Mixx's reign" a forum member couldn't question anything he wrote about without being subjected to attack or a potential banning.

Post: #46

(11-09-2012 07:28 AM)Divorco Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 05:55 AM)Roosh Wrote:  G's data on Riga ... was real.

Seriously? I find his "datasheets" have very little concrete information. His blog has ten pages of vague stories of swooping fly Latvian girls. His most detailed nightclub datasheet describes places he heard about before visiting, or that he never even entered. Can you please explain the value of his contribution?

I Love You Bar: heavily hyped ... before I went to Riga,

La Belle Époque: This place was heavily hyped also.

Essential: I only stayed a few minutes

Push: I never went.

Babylon: This place has “scam” written all over it. Even from the outside.

A13: Can be a scam joint, I think.

Shot Bar: Heavy scam spot.

Studio 69: I never checked it.

Blow Style: Never rolled in.

Black Magic Bar: I never stepped foot.

Macaroni Noodle Bar: I didn’t step.

How can you know if he has concrete information if you don't go?

Post: #47

(11-09-2012 02:03 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 07:28 AM)Divorco Wrote:  

(11-09-2012 05:55 AM)Roosh Wrote:  G's data on Riga ... was real.

Seriously? I find his "datasheets" have very little concrete information. His blog has ten pages of vague stories of swooping fly Latvian girls. His most detailed nightclub datasheet describes places he heard about before visiting, or that he never even entered. Can you please explain the value of his contribution?

I Love You Bar: heavily hyped ... before I went to Riga,

La Belle Époque: This place was heavily hyped also.

Essential: I only stayed a few minutes

Push: I never went.

Babylon: This place has “scam” written all over it. Even from the outside.

A13: Can be a scam joint, I think.

Shot Bar: Heavy scam spot.

Studio 69: I never checked it.

Blow Style: Never rolled in.

Black Magic Bar: I never stepped foot.

Macaroni Noodle Bar: I didn’t step.

How can you know if he has concrete information if you don't go?

I like I said before, read what I really wrote and not some abridged version: http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/11/rig...heets.html

If you know Riga, many of those places are scam spots.

I give my reasoning why I didn't go to many of them if you read what I wrote in full.

And many of them I did go to. He cut out all the places I did go to.

Not sure why that guy cut everything I wrote and tried to fool you.

Too bad it worked.

Post: #48

(11-09-2012 02:07 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  [quote='Walderschmidt' pid='304796' dateline='1352487829']I like I said before, read what I really wrote and not some abridged version: http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/11/rig...heets.html

If you know Riga, many of those places are scam spots.

I give my reasoning why I didn't go to many of them if you read what I wrote in full.

And many of them I did go to. He cut out all the places I did go to.

Not sure why that guy cut everything I wrote and tried to fool you.

Too bad it worked.

Thanks for the link - I just read it.

Fool me once - shame on him.

Post: #49

I feel bad for G Manifesto.

He comes on here and drops Gold and this is how you repay him? If we start a poll, I feel atleast 95% of members would say their GAME had a NET INCREASE from G's writing.

He shouldnt have to meet anyone. If you dont think he's real, dont use his DATA SHEETS to plan your trips or use any of his game tips. Me? This is a free ONLINE forum. If you meet someone in person, that should just be bonus points to their credability. But really, who cares?

Nas didnt sell drugs but he is still one of the best rappers of all time. What did he rap alot about? Selling drugs. You can learn more about selling drugs from a Nas verse than you can from rappers who actually SOLD drugs.

When dealing with an internet forum, I dont care who you are or what you do. All that matters is what your bringing to the table. Real or fake, put G Manifesto on a scale, and the benefit he brings FAR outweighs any negatives against him.

Shit, Im suprised he has been patient enough to deal with so much hate when he brings a HUGE POSITIVE NET VALUE to this forum. He makes you a little mad? Suck it up. You all make him mad as well and I'm guessing he sucks it up.

Like was said above, no one on this forum gets made fun of as much as G, yet people complain when he makes fun of people?

I know I sound like a fanboy, but G Manifesto is an OG around here. Real or Fake, the man has been preaching High Quality Game for years now. I dont ever need to see him. All I know is that when I heed his advice, I can see the benefit to my game. As long as he is helping tighten up your game, who cares if he's even real? We need to focus on the lessons G brings to the table, but not on G himself.

You gotta respect and listen to the OG's in the game. They might be crass, but you gotta take the good with the bad. When G Manifesto starts to bring a NEGATIVE NET VALUE to the forum, then he needs to quiet down, start meeting people, and not "make fun of" other guys.

But until then, Can He Live?

Post: #50

(11-09-2012 02:23 PM)Adam Michaels Wrote:  He shouldnt have to meet anyone. If you dont think he's real, dont use his DATA SHEETS to plan your trips or use any of his game tips.

Except when he forcefully butts himself into a thread about a location and calls all the guys in that city a bunch of losers. Then yes, he should be expected to prove himself.

Five guys in a city who have met and share the same experience, versus one imaginary figure on the internet who no one has ever seen or met. I am sorry, but if you are going to call real vouched members on this forum losers, you better have something more than "you just have to believe me, because I am the G, and I say so", to back it up.

I am not going to let some anonymous poster on the internet talk down to me without any proof of his credentials. Maybe you are fine with it, but most guys are not.

G puts himself in a situation where he invites these attacks.