Post: #51

Choche, you've got the right idea. For a rodizio of young sluts, Manaus.

The flakes are bad, even among the men, because people are completely focused on the present. Nobody's thinking about tomorrow or even five hours from now, so making plans becomes damn near impossible. The solution is to overbook your own plans and make them at the last minute. If most of the girls flake, there's going to be one who doesn't. And if a lot of them come through, then you choose your favorite and flake on the rest.

Post: #52

Samseau,

My point is I'm not sure your sample size is large or varied enough to back upp your claim. Neither is mine of course (it is probably smaller but more varied than yours), though I will say I'm seeing significant differences between countries. Nowhere I have been have I seen girls as slutty as here.

Anyway, if you go to let's say Latin America (pretty much any country but especially Argentina) and have the same lavel of success as you have in the US, then I'll believe you. Though average number of sex partners should be the criteria for promiscuousness, not how fast the girls put out with *one* guy.

Post: #53

(11-02-2012 07:12 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  Choche, you've got the right idea. For a rodizio of young sluts, Manaus.

The flakes are bad, even among the men, because people are completely focused on the present. Nobody's thinking about tomorrow or even five hours from now, so making plans becomes damn near impossible. The solution is to overbook your own plans and make them at the last minute. If most of the girls flake, there's going to be one who doesn't. And if a lot of them come through, then you choose your favorite and flake on the rest.

Agree with you Bacchus, though I am immune to flakiness after being in Colombia so many times. It does not bother me that much anymore, though it is never pleasant.

Post: #54

(11-02-2012 07:31 PM)solo Wrote:  Samseau,

My point is I'm not sure your sample size is large or varied enough to back upp your claim. Neither is mine of course (it is probably smaller but more varied than yours), though I will say I'm seeing significant differences between countries. Nowhere I have been have I seen girls as slutty as here.

Anyway, if you go to let's say Latin America (pretty much any country but especially Argentina) and have the same lavel of success as you have in the US, then I'll believe you. Though average number of sex partners should be the criteria for promiscuousness, not how fast the girls put put with *one* guy.

Remember, I'm not saying all women are sluts and sleep with 1000000 men in their lifetime.

I'm saying that all women are the same and will put out immediately for a man she truly likes. This is true if she's slept with 0 men or 1000 men.


"Nowhere I have been have I seen girls as slutty as here. "

By the way, are you talking about America in this sentence? And what countries are you comparing America to?

Post: #55

(11-02-2012 07:33 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 07:12 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  Choche, you've got the right idea. For a rodizio of young sluts, Manaus.

The flakes are bad, even among the men, because people are completely focused on the present. Nobody's thinking about tomorrow or even five hours from now, so making plans becomes damn near impossible. The solution is to overbook your own plans and make them at the last minute. If most of the girls flake, there's going to be one who doesn't. And if a lot of them come through, then you choose your favorite and flake on the rest.

Agree with you Bacchus, though I am immune to flakiness after being in Colombia so many times. It does not bother me that much anymore, though it is never pleasant.

Interesting, I haven´t had much flakiness in Manaus, they show up most of the time and on time, and I am allowed to do my game. Only thing is that kissing brazilian girls is as easy as taking a candy from a kid, and if I don´t get the bang the first time then they may think things over and not show for a second time (day game speaking). Being a fast strike is key here (as in most places IMO) ... anyways, flakiness is not near comparable to a city like Pereira or Medellin in Colombia in my experience.

Post: #56

(11-02-2012 08:54 PM)Buitre Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 07:33 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 07:12 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  Choche, you've got the right idea. For a rodizio of young sluts, Manaus.

The flakes are bad, even among the men, because people are completely focused on the present. Nobody's thinking about tomorrow or even five hours from now, so making plans becomes damn near impossible. The solution is to overbook your own plans and make them at the last minute. If most of the girls flake, there's going to be one who doesn't. And if a lot of them come through, then you choose your favorite and flake on the rest.

Agree with you Bacchus, though I am immune to flakiness after being in Colombia so many times. It does not bother me that much anymore, though it is never pleasant.

Interesting, I haven´t had much flakiness in Manaus, they show up most of the time and on time, and I am allowed to do my game. Only thing is that kissing brazilian girls is as easy as taking a candy from a kid, and if I don´t get the bang the first time then they may think things over and not show for a second time (day game speaking). Being a fast strike is key here (as in most places IMO) ... anyways, flakiness is not near comparable to a city like Pereira or Medellin in Colombia in my experience.

Buitre my friend how many have you had lol. Yes in Manaus it is the first time or you might never get the chance again. Doing really well living close to Amazonas Shopping. We should try night game in Ponta Negra next wednesday. PM me next week.

Post: #57

Thedude3737: The fact that her sluttiness affects you is a sign of insecurity. Sluttiness should only be a factor if you're considering LTRing her.

Me personally? Here's how it usually goes:

Meet girl. Boner test? Pass? Bang.

Did I enjoy it? Meet again. Push for anal. Bang

Did I enjoy it again? Meet again. Push for crazy kinky bullshit. Bang.

Am I still enjoying it? Rotation.




the dude, i agree... Choc, respect but it sounds like this cute young thing got in your head a bit, I have done the same thing as im sure many of have. Most 18 YO girls now days would have banged more than 6 guys and id say this girl would have to, she just told you 6. My motto is NEVER give a shit about any very hot young girls, their hotness, sweetness, youngness has a way of messing with our heads its hardwired for us.

Post: #58

(11-02-2012 06:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:Samseau have you ever lived abroad for a longer period of time? If so, what countries? Also, it's my understanding that you don't do day game. Furthermore I remember you saying that you don't do second dates unless you the girl at least shows you her tits on the first date. I would think all these things produce a selection bias.

I haven't lived abroad but I have banged foreign women. The longest relationship I've had was with a Greek woman. She put out on the first day I met her when she arrived in America and wanted to be with me for as long as she could until her visa expired.

I don't do daygame and I know a lot of guys say that bangs come slower with day game, but consider this: Take the same woman who makes a man wait during the day and put her in a night situation and suddenly she'll put out immediately? Also there are daygamers out there (check the London scene) who claim to get same day lays as well.

Finally a woman who doesn't want to go sexual with a man early general has low interest in him. This has been my experience not because of a mere selection bias, but because of active falsification attempts on my part to try and pursue women who made me wait. Girls who made me wait always ended up never putting out or developing a relationship with me, 100% of the time.

(11-02-2012 08:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 07:31 PM)solo Wrote:  Samseau,

My point is I'm not sure your sample size is large or varied enough to back upp your claim. Neither is mine of course (it is probably smaller but more varied than yours), though I will say I'm seeing significant differences between countries. Nowhere I have been have I seen girls as slutty as here.

Anyway, if you go to let's say Latin America (pretty much any country but especially Argentina) and have the same lavel of success as you have in the US, then I'll believe you. Though average number of sex partners should be the criteria for promiscuousness, not how fast the girls put put with *one* guy.

Remember, I'm not saying all women are sluts and sleep with 1000000 men in their lifetime.

I'm saying that all women are the same and will put out immediately for a man she truly likes. This is true if she's slept with 0 men or 1000 men.


"Nowhere I have been have I seen girls as slutty as here. "

By the way, are you talking about America in this sentence? And what countries are you comparing America to?

No Sweden, comparing it to France, Argentina, Colombia and Dominican Republic which is where I have spent long periods of time abroad. Probably I could add more countries here but i haven't spent enought time there to say. Of course I'm generalizing but here is a post by naughty nomad somewhat backing up what I'm saying: http://naughtynomad.com/2012/10/28/brave-new-world/

Post: #59

(11-03-2012 12:40 AM)kazz Wrote:  Thedude3737: The fact that her sluttiness affects you is a sign of insecurity. Sluttiness should only be a factor if you're considering LTRing her.

Me personally? Here's how it usually goes:

Meet girl. Boner test? Pass? Bang.

Did I enjoy it? Meet again. Push for anal. Bang

Did I enjoy it again? Meet again. Push for crazy kinky bullshit. Bang.

Am I still enjoying it? Rotation.




the dude, i agree... Choc, respect but it sounds like this cute young thing got in your head a bit, I have done the same thing as im sure many of have. Most 18 YO girls now days would have banged more than 6 guys and id say this girl would have to, she just told you 6. My motto is NEVER give a shit about any very hot young girls, their hotness, sweetness, youngness has a way of messing with our heads its hardwired for us.

I also had some evidence (not definite proof) she was banging someone else at the same time. That took away some of the hardness of my boner.

Post: #60

(11-03-2012 12:26 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 08:54 PM)Buitre Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 07:33 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 07:12 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  Choche, you've got the right idea. For a rodizio of young sluts, Manaus.

The flakes are bad, even among the men, because people are completely focused on the present. Nobody's thinking about tomorrow or even five hours from now, so making plans becomes damn near impossible. The solution is to overbook your own plans and make them at the last minute. If most of the girls flake, there's going to be one who doesn't. And if a lot of them come through, then you choose your favorite and flake on the rest.

Agree with you Bacchus, though I am immune to flakiness after being in Colombia so many times. It does not bother me that much anymore, though it is never pleasant.

Interesting, I haven´t had much flakiness in Manaus, they show up most of the time and on time, and I am allowed to do my game. Only thing is that kissing brazilian girls is as easy as taking a candy from a kid, and if I don´t get the bang the first time then they may think things over and not show for a second time (day game speaking). Being a fast strike is key here (as in most places IMO) ... anyways, flakiness is not near comparable to a city like Pereira or Medellin in Colombia in my experience.

Buitre my friend how many have you had lol. Yes in Manaus it is the first time or you might never get the chance again. Doing really well living close to Amazonas Shopping. We should try night game in Ponta Negra next wednesday. PM me next week.

Not bad at all, only that I was expecting a better ratio favoring foreigner males, sometimes the competition gets really fierce, locals are very aggressive chasing girls so I have befriended some of them here... I decided to set my logistics near teatro, I am even pulling from the church and had some luck (love these pulls) ... Ponta Negra sounds good to me!

Post: #61

(11-03-2012 11:23 AM)Buitre Wrote:  

(11-03-2012 12:26 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 08:54 PM)Buitre Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 07:33 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 07:12 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  Choche, you've got the right idea. For a rodizio of young sluts, Manaus.

The flakes are bad, even among the men, because people are completely focused on the present. Nobody's thinking about tomorrow or even five hours from now, so making plans becomes damn near impossible. The solution is to overbook your own plans and make them at the last minute. If most of the girls flake, there's going to be one who doesn't. And if a lot of them come through, then you choose your favorite and flake on the rest.

Agree with you Bacchus, though I am immune to flakiness after being in Colombia so many times. It does not bother me that much anymore, though it is never pleasant.

Interesting, I haven´t had much flakiness in Manaus, they show up most of the time and on time, and I am allowed to do my game. Only thing is that kissing brazilian girls is as easy as taking a candy from a kid, and if I don´t get the bang the first time then they may think things over and not show for a second time (day game speaking). Being a fast strike is key here (as in most places IMO) ... anyways, flakiness is not near comparable to a city like Pereira or Medellin in Colombia in my experience.

Buitre my friend how many have you had lol. Yes in Manaus it is the first time or you might never get the chance again. Doing really well living close to Amazonas Shopping. We should try night game in Ponta Negra next wednesday. PM me next week.

Not bad at all, only that I was expecting a better ratio favoring foreigner males, sometimes the competition gets really fierce, locals are very aggressive chasing girls so I have befriended some of them here... I decided to set my logistics near teatro, I am even pulling from the church and had some luck (love these pulls) ... Ponta Negra sounds good to me!

Ive been targeting the 17 to 21 yr old demographic so that explains the flakiness. Girls over 24 here dont exhibit that behavior that much, so sometimes I settle for them. Agreed that girls get hit on a ton over here....that helps to explain their sluttiness.
There is an original Manaus data sheet where the guy says he pulled a ton in a certain "boate". I will look up the name of the place and let you know. Happy hunting Buitre.

Post: #62

   
Pic of the slut I was talking about

Post: #63

Have you fucked her ass? Because you know maybe nobody else has and it would be a really fun thing to do.

Post: #64

(11-03-2012 12:51 PM)Rick91 Wrote:  Have you fucked her ass? Because you know maybe nobody else has and it would be a really fun thing to do.

Brazilian guys love to fuck a girl up the ass. So Im sure some dude has it there with her.

Post: #65

(11-03-2012 09:31 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  I also had some evidence (not definite proof) she was banging someone else at the same time. That took away some of the hardness of my boner.

If I knew a girl I was sleeping with was shagging another guy, as long as...

a.) I wasn't in an LTR with her or had feelings for her
b.) She didn't rub it in my face, parade him around in my vicinity

...I wouldn't give a damn

Post: #66

(11-03-2012 04:23 AM)solo Wrote:  No Sweden, comparing it to France, Argentina, Colombia and Dominican Republic which is where I have spent long periods of time abroad. Probably I could add more countries here but i haven't spent enought time there to say. Of course I'm generalizing but here is a post by naughty nomad somewhat backing up what I'm saying: http://naughtynomad.com/2012/10/28/brave-new-world/

From the NN post you linked:

Quote:On the most primal level, a man doesn’t want to develop a meaningful relationship a woman who gives it up easy—who has fucked so many guys she has lost count. A woman should be choosy with her mate. Her old brain knows that pregnancy and mate selection are very risky things. Her instincts know she must choose a man who will ensure her survival and survival of her offspring. It is her genetic imperative. Everything else means nothing. If a woman risks that so easily, what instinctive response might you expect from us men?

Pump and dump.

This pump and dump response comes naturally to men for women who are indeed cum-dumpsters, but my claim is not that only sluts put out fast, but that even virgins will put out fast for the right man.

If she likes you, she will fuck you ASAP. It does not matter if she's a whore or a virgin.

NN is talking about women who are indeed sluts, in a culture that promotes promiscuity, but what about women who don't have a high notch count (or are virgins)?

In my opinion, a girl who makes you wait isn't very interested in you as a man. When you fuck a girl immediately, you take away all the power from her and force her to increase her investment in you, which is the best way for a relationship to form.


I'd say the biggest problem isn't that women put out too fast, but that far too many men have a misconception of a woman who fucks them too fast "is too slutty", so they dump her.

After a woman gets dumped in such a manner, she now has one more notch on her belt and her ability to love is diminished, even though she was more than capable of loving the man who ravished her on the first night.

A woman who fucks a man fast does so because she truly likes the man, but most men are just so insecure with themselves they cannot handle the fact that some woman might find them to be that incredible. Instead they subconsciously believe that they are just a worthless man, so therefore the girl who fucks them fast is just a worthless whore when it's more likely she's the opposite.

Post: #67

(11-03-2012 02:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-03-2012 04:23 AM)solo Wrote:  No Sweden, comparing it to France, Argentina, Colombia and Dominican Republic which is where I have spent long periods of time abroad. Probably I could add more countries here but i haven't spent enought time there to say. Of course I'm generalizing but here is a post by naughty nomad somewhat backing up what I'm saying: http://naughtynomad.com/2012/10/28/brave-new-world/

From the NN post you linked:

Quote:On the most primal level, a man doesn’t want to develop a meaningful relationship a woman who gives it up easy—who has fucked so many guys she has lost count. A woman should be choosy with her mate. Her old brain knows that pregnancy and mate selection are very risky things. Her instincts know she must choose a man who will ensure her survival and survival of her offspring. It is her genetic imperative. Everything else means nothing. If a woman risks that so easily, what instinctive response might you expect from us men?

Pump and dump.

This pump and dump response comes naturally to men for women who are indeed cum-dumpsters, but my claim is not that only sluts put out fast, but that even virgins will put out fast for the right man.

If she likes you, she will fuck you ASAP. It does not matter if she's a whore or a virgin.

NN is talking about women who are indeed sluts, in a culture that promotes promiscuity, but what about women who don't have a high notch count (or are virgins)?

In my opinion, a girl who makes you wait isn't very interested in you as a man. When you fuck a girl immediately, you take away all the power from her and force her to increase her investment in you, which is the best way for a relationship to form.


I'd say the biggest problem isn't that women put out too fast, but that far too many men have a misconception of a woman who fucks them too fast "is too slutty", so they dump her.

After a woman gets dumped in such a manner, she now has one more notch on her belt and her ability to love is diminished, even though she was more than capable of loving the man who ravished her on the first night.

A woman who fucks a man fast does so because she truly likes the man, but most men are just so insecure with themselves they cannot handle the fact that some woman might find them to be that incredible. Instead they subconsciously believe that they are just a worthless man, so therefore the girl who fucks them fast is just a worthless whore when it's more likely she's the opposite.

So Samseau if she fucks 6 men in 9 months real fast do you really think she truly likes all of them. The slut is the insecure person way more than a man who expects the women in his harem to behave at a reasonable level.

Post: #68

(11-03-2012 03:14 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  So Samseau if she fucks 6 men in 9 months real fast do you really think she truly likes all of them. The slut is the insecure person way more than a man who expects the women in his harem to behave at a reasonable level.

Yes she liked all of them, if only for a short time (even one night).

As for whether or not she's insecure - perhaps, but not necessarily. Some sluts fuck a ton because they need validation, others do it to gain money, others do it because they are extremely vain and believe there are no consequences to being a cum-dumpster.


Not only is a man who expects all the women in his harem to only fuck just him being selfish, but he's also showing neediness by trying to control who she sleeps with.

I've found is that by not giving a shit, I'm more likely to get girls who want to be exclusive with me. Dumping girls because you're angry with their slutty ways isn't going to get them to be exclusive with you.

(And by exclusive, it doesn't mean I'm not banging other girls... I mean I'm the only man she is banging.)

Post: #69

(11-03-2012 02:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-03-2012 04:23 AM)solo Wrote:  No Sweden, comparing it to France, Argentina, Colombia and Dominican Republic which is where I have spent long periods of time abroad. Probably I could add more countries here but i haven't spent enought time there to say. Of course I'm generalizing but here is a post by naughty nomad somewhat backing up what I'm saying: http://naughtynomad.com/2012/10/28/brave-new-world/

From the NN post you linked:

Quote:On the most primal level, a man doesn’t want to develop a meaningful relationship a woman who gives it up easy—who has fucked so many guys she has lost count. A woman should be choosy with her mate. Her old brain knows that pregnancy and mate selection are very risky things. Her instincts know she must choose a man who will ensure her survival and survival of her offspring. It is her genetic imperative. Everything else means nothing. If a woman risks that so easily, what instinctive response might you expect from us men?

Pump and dump.

This pump and dump response comes naturally to men for women who are indeed cum-dumpsters, but my claim is not that only sluts put out fast, but that even virgins will put out fast for the right man.

If she likes you, she will fuck you ASAP. It does not matter if she's a whore or a virgin.

NN is talking about women who are indeed sluts, in a culture that promotes promiscuity, but what about women who don't have a high notch count (or are virgins)?

In my opinion, a girl who makes you wait isn't very interested in you as a man. When you fuck a girl immediately, you take away all the power from her and force her to increase her investment in you, which is the best way for a relationship to form.


I'd say the biggest problem isn't that women put out too fast, but that far too many men have a misconception of a woman who fucks them too fast "is too slutty", so they dump her.

After a woman gets dumped in such a manner, she now has one more notch on her belt and her ability to love is diminished, even though she was more than capable of loving the man who ravished her on the first night.

A woman who fucks a man fast does so because she truly likes the man, but most men are just so insecure with themselves they cannot handle the fact that some woman might find them to be that incredible. Instead they subconsciously believe that they are just a worthless man, so therefore the girl who fucks them fast is just a worthless whore when it's more likely she's the opposite.

I agree with some of the things you say here. My original point is just that I don't agree with your quote below, though I suspect we originally had different definitions of sluttiness:

"You think some girls are sluts and some girls aren't. That's false. Every single woman is the same. They will all put out ASAP for a man who turns them on".

I think some girls aren't sluts. By sluts I mean having/wanting to have many sex partners, not really how long she makes you wait. One reason for the differences I tend to see between countries is the emotional/logical game dichotomy that Roosh has written about. In the West girls decide who they sleep with based on emotional criteria (for example a very effective neg by a guy she just met) while this has no effect at all in other parts of the world. There she makes her decision based on other more traditional criteria, which is why she is not slutty and is not sleeping around like Western girls.

I agree if a girl makes you wait for sex it may very well mean she's not interested in you, but sometimes (especially if you're making out with her) it may be for another reason.

If I bang a girl shortly after meeting her I generally don't think she's a slut. But if she starts telling me about lots of other guys she's had ONS with, I do.

So in summary, yes a virgin *may* put out fast with the "right" guy. But in some cultures not only is this less common, but "fast" doesn't mean as fast as in other cultures, since the decision is made on criteria that weeds out pump-and-dumpers. And if afterwards she gets dumped she will not immediately turn to the cock-carousel but is more likely to go into "hibernation" for a long period of ime, so to speak, resulting in fewer sex partners overall. And in some countries SNL is pretty much off the table as a possibility with many girls.

Post: #70

(11-03-2012 06:53 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-03-2012 03:14 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  So Samseau if she fucks 6 men in 9 months real fast do you really think she truly likes all of them. The slut is the insecure person way more than a man who expects the women in his harem to behave at a reasonable level.

Yes she liked all of them, if only for a short time (even one night).

As for whether or not she's insecure - perhaps, but not necessarily. Some sluts fuck a ton because they need validation, others do it to gain money, others do it because they are extremely vain and believe there are no consequences to being a cum-dumpster.


Not only is a man who expects all the women in his harem to only fuck just him being selfish, but he's also showing neediness by trying to control who she sleeps with.

I've found is that by not giving a shit, I'm more likely to get girls who want to be exclusive with me. Dumping girls because you're angry with their slutty ways isn't going to get them to be exclusive with you.

(And by exclusive, it doesn't mean I'm not banging other girls... I mean I'm the only man she is banging.)

There are biological and historical reasons for a man wanting to have a harem of girls that are exclusive to him, I wrote about that earlier in this thread. Selfish yes but I don't see that as a bad thing, *necessarily*. I would even say that a lot of the times it's in the girls best interest to be exclusively with one guy, too. I don't thing sluttying it up is good for a girls' health and it decreases her value in the sexual marketplace. EDIT: For example I think a girl in a third or second world country who shares her relatively rich boyfriend with a couple of other girls is happier than a girl who rides the cock-carousel in Washington DC.

Neediness carries a negative connotation. I would just say he's looking out for his best interests.

I personally find there are many reasons to not accept girls who aren't exclusively with me, the risk of STDs being just one of them, but that's just my personal opinion.

If you truly have access to many girls, of course you choose the ones that are willing to be exclusive to you, at least if all other things being equal. Chochemonger1 finds himself in this position.

Post: #71

Quote:I think some girls aren't sluts. By sluts I mean having/wanting to have many sex partners, not really how long she makes you wait.

Yes, we were operating with different definitions. If by slut you are referring purely to partner count, then no I'm not talking about that at all. Although in my opinion social circumstances are what makes a woman have a low or high partner count.

Quote: And in some countries SNL is pretty much off the table as a possibility with many girls.

Yes and no. Take, for example, a country like Saudi Arabia. Men and women operate in different spheres there.

But let's say, one day, at a large family gathering (with multiple families meeting) for some religious holiday, a friend of one of the families happens to attend. He goes, and, admist the confusion of all the different families there, he is able to pretend he is part of the family who invited him. He is accepted as one of the families own.

Let us also suppose that he happened to catch the fancy of a few women there, even though he is unaware.

Then, by chance, he goes to an outhouse bathroom late at night and happens to see one of the young girls who was into him also going to the restroom. He walks up to her. She remains still. He pulls her face-covering garb down. He kisses her. She reciprocates. He pulls her into the outhouse. They make love. They then both go back to their rooms in secrecy from everyone else there.


You think things like this never happen, but in actually they do all the time. The only difference is you have to be right man in the right circumstances. Quite a few of the girls I've banged have told me they've never done a SNL before. Most of them are liars, but they can't all be liars.

Quote:One reason for the differences I tend to see between countries is the emotional/logical game dichotomy that Roosh has written about.

I don't disagree with Roosh often, but here I do. I think there needs to be more nuance to Roosh's distinctions between emotional and logical sex.

For example, he said he could only bang young girls with appeals to emotion. But older ones he could not. It doesn't seem to me that there's any logical/emotional distinctions, but because women grow old and cold and emotions do not hold the same power over them as they age.

When a woman resigns herself to looking for a partner, "logically", it's because she's given up on love and has accepted that her sex is nothing more than a bargaining tool to achieve security in a chaotic world.

That's why in America, where the females are incredibly well off, women continue to use emotional reasoning for sex well into their thirties.

Post: #72

Quote:If you truly have access to many girls, of course you choose the ones that are willing to be exclusive to you, at least if all other things being equal. Chochemonger1 finds himself in this position.

Of course. But the way to get girls to be exclusive to you is by not trying to get them to be exclusive with you. It works the other way around - she has to want you to be exclusive to her!

Thus the best course of action to get women to be exclusive to you is to casually fuck them until they demand more and more of you. Then you say, "Okay, I guess I can be with just you" (even though you're gonna fuck other girls behind her back) and that's when she becomes exclusive to you. She has to feel like she's winning you, not the other way around.

And by showing neediness, you push yourself away from this goal as neediness will make a woman less likely to desire you for an exclusive relationship.

Post: #73

(11-03-2012 07:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:If you truly have access to many girls, of course you choose the ones that are willing to be exclusive to you, at least if all other things being equal. Chochemonger1 finds himself in this position.

Of course. But the way to get girls to be exclusive to you is by not trying to get them to be exclusive with you. It works the other way around - she has to want you to be exclusive to her!

Thus the best course of action to get women to be exclusive to you is to casually fuck them until they demand more and more of you. Then you say, "Okay, I guess I can be with just you" (even though you're gonna fuck other girls behind her back) and that's when she becomes exclusive to you. She has to feel like she's winning you, not the other way around.

And by showing neediness, you push yourself away from this goal as neediness will make a woman less likely to desire you for an exclusive relationship.

I found another slut who is younger than the one in the pic and I am actually thinking of seeing her regularly. Why? Because she is sending me messages every day and does what I want. She lives with her parents, unlike the other one. I know she could stray also like all women. But this one based on my instincts will not fuck another guy until I dump her. Benelovent male egoism is a good thing. I will make her a better woman.

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(11-03-2012 07:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  You think things like this never happen, but in actually they do all the time. The only difference is you have to be right man in the right circumstances. Quite a few of the girls I've banged have told me they've never done a SNL before. Most of them are liars, but they can't all be liars.

I suppose this hypothetical example takes place in a country like Saudi Arabia. I don't think saying that it happens is inconsistent with my earlier posts, in fact I would agree it happens. My point still though, I suppose, is that things like this happens more in some cultures than others. Even if the girl is isolated with no risk of social repercussions. But I agree with your general sentiment.

(11-03-2012 07:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:One reason for the differences I tend to see between countries is the emotional/logical game dichotomy that Roosh has written about.

I don't disagree with Roosh often, but here I do. I think there needs to be more nuance to Roosh's distinctions between emotional and logical sex.

For example, he said he could only bang young girls with appeals to emotion. But older ones he could not. It doesn't seem to me that there's any logical/emotional distinctions, but because women grow old and cold and emotions do not hold the same power over them as they age.

When a woman resigns herself to looking for a partner, "logically", it's because she's given up on love and has accepted that her sex is nothing more than a bargaining tool to achieve security in a chaotic world.

That's why in America, where the females are incredibly well off, women continue to use emotional reasoning for sex well into their thirties.

Yes I agree the logical/emotional distinction isn't that nuanced, but in my experience it's still holding up rather well. I have been to countries where teasing/negging doesn't even register with the girl, she doesn't understand it, or she gets sad. Negging has been standard game in Sweden at least since I was in elementary school. I would say, the more efective the neg, the more the broken the culture. It has been a real eye-opener for me to see that in some countries you can actually get a girl basically by being nice (though confidence and other masculine traits also helps).

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(11-03-2012 07:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:If you truly have access to many girls, of course you choose the ones that are willing to be exclusive to you, at least if all other things being equal. Chochemonger1 finds himself in this position.

Of course. But the way to get girls to be exclusive to you is by not trying to get them to be exclusive with you. It works the other way around - she has to want you to be exclusive to her!

Thus the best course of action to get women to be exclusive to you is to casually fuck them until they demand more and more of you. Then you say, "Okay, I guess I can be with just you" (even though you're gonna fuck other girls behind her back) and that's when she becomes exclusive to you. She has to feel like she's winning you, not the other way around.

And by showing neediness, you push yourself away from this goal as neediness will make a woman less likely to desire you for an exclusive relationship.

Yes and no (mostly yes). In some cases I think it can be enough, best even, to just tell her the rules.

In my case though I recently cut off a girl I was seeing because even though I'm confident I could have gotten her to be exclusively with me (she was begging me not to go and was generally really into me), she had already been with another guy in between she was still seeing me. This is just me, to each their own.

Not to mention I also had to go through a std scare even though I had used a condom (bjs were raw though). Fortunately it seems it was "just" urethritis but still it was transmitted sexually.