Post: #51

Oldnemesis, what are you exactly arguing? Summarise your points.

I'm having trouble understanding how someone on RooshV forum can be sympathetic to a close-friend being whipped. I'm not sure how you can seriously argue that being whipped is just as, or more favourable than having freedom and perspective on relationships.

Post: #52

(11-11-2012 12:11 AM)Samseau Wrote:  You kidding me? Probably less than 10% of the girls I meet have these characteristics.

That's not good.
As a general rule I've found to be true, you attract, and get attracted to those who you are.
If you are not attracted to those types (or they are not attracted to you), maybe you're lacking those qualities yourself. Or maybe you're instinctively focused on completely different set of qualities which don't match the list above.

One of my friends, for example, chases exclusively the "alpha female" types with stand-out looks and behavior; expecting her not arguing, keeping promises and letting you have your way more than hers would be quite naive. He doesn't though.

Quote:Flexible - helpful, doesn't argue, isn't judgmental of your behavior, lets you have your way more often than not

Seems to be more about "submissive". Which also raises a question: what about you judging her behavior? Or it's just she needs to be "flexible"?

Quote:Integrity - doesn't lie, loyal, dependable, keeps promises

Doesn't lie at all? Like, never in her life? Or it is more about "not a pathological liar"?

Post: #53

Quote:As a general rule I've found to be true, you attract, and get attracted to those who you are.

Not even remotely true - some of the nicest, most loyal, and great men with awesome jobs I've met couldn't get laid to save their lives or get a girlfriend either. If what you said is true, forums like this wouldn't even exist.

Conversely, I've seen the biggest pieces of shit pathological liar drug dealers swim in some of the hottest pussy you can imagine.


Girls aren't attracted to who you are - at least not in America - they are attracted to what you can do for them, how you make them feel, and the power you have over others. Chicks are amoral.

Quote:Seems to be more about "submissive". Which also raises a question: what about you judging her behavior? Or it's just she needs to be "flexible"?

Just her. Girls don't give a fuck if the man's flexible, she usually interprets it as weakness anyways.

Quote:Doesn't lie at all? Like, never in her life? Or it is more about "not a pathological liar"?

Within reason. She doesn't lie about big things, doesn't steal cash from you, doesn't cheat on you, etc.

Post: #54

(11-11-2012 07:38 AM)Prophylaxis Wrote:  I'm having trouble understanding how someone on RooshV forum can be sympathetic to a close-friend being whipped. I'm not sure how you can seriously argue that being whipped is just as, or more favourable than having freedom and perspective on relationships.

That doesn't surprise me. And that's why I'm not arguing it with you or KorbenDallas (no offense, but I stay away from 22yo females mostly because of this kind of mindset - I can only tolerate them when wasted, and this is very rare). The culture gap is large enough to cover on its own.

Post: #55

Why do you stay away from 22 yo females? In the states sure, girls have bad mindsets, less so internationally, but I don't know why you would write off girls in their prime because their hard to deal with.

I have high standards in the looks departments, but I don't mind sluttiness as much, I've found that girls you think are out of your league or will dump you or whatever can be some of the best adjusted socially and craving a normal horny guy to have some fun with. Hooking up is not really about who you are on the deep inside or whatever, that's why game works. That's why Roosh is successful. He, literally, teaches guys how to act a certain way in order to get laid in America. Girls aren't choosing guys for "who they are".

Quote:
As a general rule I've found to be true, you attract, and get attracted to those who you are.

Right...This is straight out of something what my high school crush would say who friend zoned me, right before she went and had sex with asshole dickface rich kid. However, I see your from San Fran and that is completely different than my experience of Midwest and EE. In the Midwest traditional gender roles are still the norm, although bitch shields are plentiful. I've heard San Fran is so fucked up I kind of suspect you've just adapted to your surroundings in order to get laid, so, you don't see things the same way others in healthier male female gender relations do.

I also suspect you've never been with a girl from the Eastern Bloc. I highly recommend dating one. It's like going back in time. They are normal, friendly, appreciative, I could go on and on...

Post: #56

(11-11-2012 04:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Not even remotely true - some of the nicest, most loyal, and great men with awesome jobs I've met couldn't get laid to save their lives or get a girlfriend either. If what you said is true, forums like this wouldn't even exist.

Not really. You know as well as me that just because the girl is attracted to you this doesn't mean she's going to approach you and invite you for a date. Especially a young, nice and loyal chick who most likely isn't going to be the best looking, and therefore gonna be really insecure. The best you can expect from such chick to put on is that she'd move close to you (typically arm length) and will stand nearby with her back turned toward you. He probably has missed tons of chicks which were attracted to him.

At the same time when he finally gets a girlfriend, it is very likely he'll get the one he'd really like and enjoy. Those people don't usually have to go through hundreds of chicks before they found the one.

Quote:Conversely, I've seen the biggest pieces of shit pathological liar drug dealers swim in some of the hottest pussy you can imagine.

Well, they both likely have exactly the same personality. That's how it supposed to be. An emotionally unstable and bitchy because of deep internal insecurity type would definitely attract the same type - and it is the most popular type for the hot young chicks here in the US.

Quote:Within reason. She doesn't lie about big things, doesn't steal cash from you, doesn't cheat on you, etc.

I'd say 90% of people are like that IF you're like that to them.

Post: #57

I know I'm unwanted by Oldnemesis to be part of this discussion, but I don't care. What your saying is a little off.

Quote: Well, they both likely have exactly the same personality. That's how it supposed to be.

Umm, hot chicks in poor countries generally pair up with accountants, professionals, or crime bosses, but basically men who earn a living, because they value survival and material needs over everything else. In America, hot chicks have the luxury of dating delinquents because their needs are artificially met through government coercion of transferring money from the producers to the welfare queens. Basically, ghetto culture, which, is becoming the normal culture.

Girls aren't philosophers, economists, or inventors. They are into astrology, music, fashion, generally speaking, at least the girls I know. Also, other superficial status things. Young attractive girls in America are extremely narcissistic, especially the well off ones, and are attracted to guys who are equally narcissistic.

I don't think this is how it's supposed to be. Prosperous societies produce when a majority of the sexes have a mate and have a stake in society.

You'll always have your misfits, but its gotten to the point in America where 40% of children are born in single mother homes, much more likely to live in poverty and produce criminals than kids from married families. The father is off with no role in his families life. Is this how it's SUPPOSED to be? To each his own, but some cultures are superior to others in producing places where we want to live. A culture where a sizable percentage of the attractive girls consistently reject the producers in favor of the criminal and delinquent classes is doomed to continue to rot and deteriorate.

Post: #58

(11-12-2012 02:12 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  Why do you stay away from 22 yo females? In the states sure, girls have bad mindsets, less so internationally, but I don't know why you would write off girls in their prime because their hard to deal with.

Because I'm here to satisfy my dick, not my ego. And from my life experience I can say that a typical 22yo isn't as good at satisfying dicks as older chicks. Now those chicks believe they have a higher value because of their youth, and they mistakenly believe they worth more effort that I'm willing to put in. Here we have a classic value clash - she believes her value is 10, while to me her value is 3 (while an older chick may think she's 7 while I give her 5 - this is workable). You can use game to handle a smaller difference in value, but when it is so large, this makes no sense as it would take a huge amount of time and ball busting to have her to accept that her value is more than twice lower. This doesn't make any sense to either of us.

Quote:I have high standards in the looks departments, but I don't mind sluttiness as much, I've found that girls you think are out of your league or will dump you or whatever can be some of the best adjusted socially and craving a normal horny guy to have some fun with.

LOL. Pretty much nobody is out of your league, it all comes down to how much effort you are willing to put in. At the current stage I'm willing to put in zero effort, so not only the chick has to approach me, she also has to game me, hold the normal conversation (no way I gonna do 80% of the talking, I'd rather read a book) and she'll have to make the move. If she isn't willing to do so, she's free to go.

Quote:Hooking up is not really about who you are on the deep inside or whatever, that's why game works. That's why Roosh is successful. He, literally, teaches guys how to act a certain way in order to get laid in America. Girls aren't choosing guys for "who they are".

That's a good point. Actually me and Roosh had a pretty long and interesting conversation a few months ago (and I can attest this guy REALLY can drink, respect!). And it was surprising how different we are. He is putting honest effort to get as much as he can, and he persists until either he wins or there is absolutely no more chance. I'm putting effort into making things as easy as possible by manipulating the circumstances and choosing my targets. For example, If he brings a chick home and she shows any resistance, he'll work through it and finally get it, while I'd ask her to leave and let me sleep. He's getting more and better results, but I put significantly less effort in mine. Different strokes for different folks.

Quote:Right...This is straight out of something what my high school crush would say who friend zoned me, right before she went and had sex with asshole dickface rich kid.

You seem to consider attraction as ironclad guarantee you'd have sex. This isn't the case. In fact I'd say the attraction window is very limited, and unless you present yourself as sexual being during this window, she'll think you're not interested in her physically and you'll be friended.

Quote:I've heard San Fran is so fucked up I kind of suspect you've just adapted to your surroundings in order to get laid, so, you don't see things the same way others in healthier male female gender relations do.

It kinda is, I miss classy dressed up chicks. But older chicks do dress up, works for me.

Quote:I also suspect you've never been with a girl from the Eastern Bloc. I highly recommend dating one. It's like going back in time. They are normal, friendly, appreciative, I could go on and on...

LOL. Dude, I was born lived in Ukraine and Russia for 25 years.

Post: #59

(11-12-2012 04:07 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  Umm, hot chicks in poor countries generally pair up with accountants, professionals, or crime bosses,

Not really. Sure, there are some golddiggers, but definitely not the majority of them.

Quote:Girls aren't philosophers, economists, or inventors. They are into astrology, music, fashion, generally speaking, at least the girls I know.

You're still young, so my expectations are quite low. So I won't point out to the Supreme Court, Secretary of State and other things you probably don't really care about. Just ask yourself whether you go to the places where you can meet a 22yo chick who's studying law or medicine?

Quote:You'll always have your misfits, but its gotten to the point in America where 40% of children are born in single mother homes, much more likely to live in poverty and produce criminals than kids from married families.

That's bullshit. 40% are born out of wedlock, meaning they have father and mother, they're just not married. For the kid this doesn't matter at all.

Post: #60

Quote:Not really. You know as well as me that just because the girl is attracted to you this doesn't mean she's going to approach you and invite you for a date. Especially a young, nice and loyal chick who most likely isn't going to be the best looking, and therefore gonna be really insecure. The best you can expect from such chick to put on is that she'd move close to you (typically arm length) and will stand nearby with her back turned toward you. He probably has missed tons of chicks which were attracted to him.

Not in America - these guys stay single for years until their friends introduce them to a girl who's past her prime and looking to settle.

If you think this is a good idea, then your beliefs are mistaken. Not only does he lack any sort of choice, but he's also ripe to be used and abused.

Quote:At the same time when he finally gets a girlfriend, it is very likely he'll get the one he'd really like and enjoy. Those people don't usually have to go through hundreds of chicks before they found the one.

That's because "Hunger is the best spice."

Quote:Well, they both likely have exactly the same personality. That's how it supposed to be. An emotionally unstable and bitchy because of deep internal insecurity type would definitely attract the same type - and it is the most popular type for the hot young chicks here in the US.

You have it backwards - it's not that the girls are insecure, it's that they are incredibly vain, just like the drug dealers who don't think they'll ever be caught.

Quote:I'd say 90% of people are like that IF you're like that to them.

Women lie nonstop, I catch them all the time, plus they cheat nonstop. Thankfully I haven't met too many who steal but that's because I date young college girls who aren't completely evil yet.

Post: #61

(11-12-2012 11:22 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:Not really. You know as well as me that just because the girl is attracted to you this doesn't mean she's going to approach you and invite you for a date. Especially a young, nice and loyal chick who most likely isn't going to be the best looking, and therefore gonna be really insecure. The best you can expect from such chick to put on is that she'd move close to you (typically arm length) and will stand nearby with her back turned toward you. He probably has missed tons of chicks which were attracted to him.

Not in America - these guys stay single for years until their friends introduce them to a girl who's past her prime and looking to settle.

If you think this is a good idea, then your beliefs are mistaken. Not only does he lack any sort of choice, but he's also ripe to be used and abused.

I don't see any correlation at all between my quote and your reply. Could you please elaborate?

Quote:That's because "Hunger is the best spice."

Well, beggars can't be choosers either.

Quote:You have it backwards - it's not that the girls are insecure, it's that they are incredibly vain, just like the drug dealers who don't think they'll ever be caught.

Same here, common personalities match.

Quote:Women lie nonstop, I catch them all the time, plus they cheat nonstop.

That's not good. Vast majority of the people are not liars just because lying means putting extra effort and taking extra risk (like being ashamed if get caught). So people usually do it for a reason, which in your case is probably that come up as too judgmental. To this kind of people it is easier to lie than to argue your point with them. So if you want to hear truth, you'll likely have to change the way you present yourself to the people.

Post: #62

Samseau is just making the point that giving these "beggar" men a little confidence, a little swag, a little self-respect, they don't have to be reduced to beggars, but because they had a good friend, can become the chooser and be much happier.

Post: #63

This thread has gotten off-track but I'll thrown in my voice with the chorus of people who are saying there's really very little you can do for any friend of yours who in that situation...outside of growing a vagina. Sex is truly intoxicating - men will throw their friends under the bus, they'll humiliate themselves, and they'll even kill in extreme to be able to have regular access to cooch. Once a girl has a guy hooked under her sex spell it's going to be near impossible to break unless countered with a stronger sex spell from a hotter chick.

I remember a while ago a guy I know put up a pic of him and his gf with the caption "My best friend and I' on his Facebook. I made a joking comment on there along the lines of "but I thought i was your best friend bro". When we saw each other the next day we were joking around about it a bit. He made this one comment that stood out in my mind "Sorry you can't be my 'best friend' - you don't have a pussy". Think about it, how many girls would you willingly hang out with just for the sake of hanging out? A woman's sexual appeal is basically 90% of her appeal to a man. Remember what gender relations were like when you were still a child - boys mostly played with boys and girls played with girls and if you asked a little boy or girl what they thought of the opposite sex they'd say how they were "icky". What changes things? Going through puberty and developing sexual desires. It's only once these sexual desires come into play that there's a new interest in extensively interacting with the opposite sex whereas before both boys and girls would find each other's characters unappealing and would prefer to be with their own.

Post: #64

Very few guys actually follow the quote "bros before hoes".

Post: #65

Great points by both sides arguing on this thread, but I am also going to get back to the point...

I have a friend who hangs with his girl maybe 3 or 4 times a week (not so bad there really) but literally every time they hangout, he takes her to dinner at a nice place (cheesecake factory, applebees, random steakhouse, etc.) and then they might see a movie or do some other money grubbing activity. Multiple times a week! And I know she held out having sex with him for at least a year and a half. I hope to god hes getting some now going on 3 years with her. All she talks about is her friends from work and who said this blah blah blah. Ive tried to convince him there are millions of wet vaginas in this world but hes comfortable with just that one. Not that I am a player (yet) by any means but its always nice to have another wing man whos on the same page. Hell, my best wing man is in a LTR. Hes a natural and loves to meet/fuck new girls. She recently contracted a curable STD and found out hes been shaggin other girls. Shes still happily with him. Pre selection wins again...