Post: #26

Good article.

Many men now realise that marriage in the West is now dead as an institution and poisonous.

You'd be crazy to wife up one of those bishes.

Post: #27

Who cares if there might be a stigma about remaining single?
Who cares what the reasons for that may be?

Don't live for the approval of society. Don't even consider it lightly.

What does society think of Game? Doesn't matter.

This doesn't either.

Post: #28

A question I often wonder is.. is it better to breed with an average person and make average offspring or to have really good potential to breed (status, looks, high caliber feminine females lined up) but not make any actual children?

I worry about the consequences of the promotion of hedonism because it won't leave much of a legacy but it is VERY persuasive initially. Deep down men want kids often more than women.

Post: #29

Interesting link in the comments of the article:

http://shiningpearlsofsomething.blogspot...etter.html

Post: #30

(10-27-2012 03:19 PM)dk902 Wrote:  Good article.

Many men now realise that marriage in the West is now dead as an institution and poisonous.

You'd be crazy to wife up one of those bishes.

It's really funny when you disqualify a hot girl as not being gf material.
They get so pissed off.

Post: #31

(11-28-2012 04:45 PM)deuce Wrote:  Interesting link in the comments of the article:

http://shiningpearlsofsomething.blogspot...etter.html

That about sums it up!!!

Post: #32

(11-28-2012 06:05 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 04:45 PM)deuce Wrote:  Interesting link in the comments of the article:

http://shiningpearlsofsomething.blogspot...etter.html

That about sums it up!!!

'riding cocks', 'shit tests', and 'alpha'. This enigmatic "Mom" is from the manosphere, and by first rule of internet male.

Post: #33

You are the escaped slave bringing news of freedom - Bill Maher

Truer words were never spoken.

Look there are all sorts, I made a post about it before. You will know some of these guys, and the funniest is seeing them all in action together.

Douchebag: His wife is average at best and is getting fat now that she has her man. Will never look as good as she did at her wedding, for the photos of course. He acts like he married the prom queen, but he landed the 6.5 with a decent body. Thinks he has arrived because he tied the knot and talks about marriage like its a badge of honor. This is the sort of guy who will drive himself to suicide by racking up the debt to keep up with the neighbors. His wife is a status symbol in the same way a Mazda MX5 is. He lives for what others think of him, and he is the dude you will often hear say "Hey, at least a chick liked me enough to stick around" or "I fuck all the time, Im married remember!"

Fantasy Fag: He talks about all the bitches he would be laying if he never got married. Spent his youth masturbating or banging fatties, his wife was the best he landed and he married her. She no longer sexes him and he yearns for strange. This guy is up for a perv anywhere and any time, and is the sort that resorts to banging hookers within a few short years of marriage.

Man with Tits: Loves being married more than his wife does. This guy will report in like clockwork. This is the sort of guy who would take it up the ass with a strap on if his wife asked for it. Its normally the ulimate beta, will make jokes about the fact that his kids dont look like him. These are the guys voted most likely to have their wives cheat on them with multiple partners. They live in fear of their wives too and their wives break them in public quite often.

Lives through you dude: Always asking you if you got laid on the weekend. Asks you how many chicks did you bang when you were away. Asks you why you are not out on the town trying to bang chicks if you decide to stay home one night. He is miserable and gets laid twice a year if he is lucky.

Adventurer: When his wife is out of town, switch your phone off. Not only will you be going out, you are going to wake up after a 3 day bender in prison or a stolen car. This is the animal that got married out of pressure, feels a duty to stick around, and once he breaks free is a fucking tornado. His wife knows this, hates the fact that you are always at the centre of the activities and always up for it. You take the blame to cover his ass, but his wife hates you. Will tolerate you though because chances are if you have an adventurer in your phone book, he will never allow her to ban you. These guys have more balls than most, they are just nagged endlessly and try to keep the peace for their own sanity.

Gave up on life: He is beaten. She picks out his clothes now and he has to ask permission to do something as simple as sticking around for another beer. He is too afraid to leave and thinks its normal behavior. This, after all, is how marriages work on TV. He will go with the flow.

Masochist: His wife rules him utterly and completely. She is a housewife, yet he does his own ironing. He will wash the dishes after she cooks dinner. He will get up an 3 in the morning to change a nappy or feed the kid because its his turn.

Now every single one of these guys, regardless of their situation or who they are, will rationalise their marriage. And often the best way to rationalise how miserable they are is to sit there in agreement with each other that their lives are better than they actually are. They have social convention on their side, which brings them comfort of sorts. They refuse to acknowledge that marriage is a bad deal if women dont do their part, and many have bought into marriage 2.0 as normal, fair behavior.

Married women of friends on the other hand despise you. When they see you with younger women, when they know you are always keen for a hit on the golf course or a few beers, you are the guy that reminds their slave of what they used to be like. They all know I travel a lot and I have to deal with the endless crap about foreign women being passport chasers, gold diggers, whores and even accusations of me fucking whores.

Married women who are not the wives of friends want to fuck you. You are the jackpot. Same age, something new, clearly not interested in commitment, money in the pocket, still in shape. In some cases, the wives of friends also want to fuck you, even though they despise you.

Water off a ducks back. Marriage is a bad deal for men, especially in the west. Women are not women anymore, they have nothing to offer. Anyone who signs up for that shit is an idiot and all the shaming in the world wont change my view on the matter. I have fucked and chucked enough women now to know that western women in particular are mentally and culturally damaged.

Im at that age where divorces are happening. Guys losing houses, kids, pensions. Its worse than you think. They age 10 years in the process and they come out a bitter, hollow shell on the other side. Crazy thing is, everyone around them thinks it wont happen to them. Whats most noticeable is how many guys dont see it coming. You often see the writing on the wall before they do because they are so oblivious.

Post: #34

I don't necessarily want to get married, but I want to reproduce.

What are my options?

Become a sperm donor to a lesbian couple?

Post: #35

(11-29-2012 12:17 AM)Andy_B Wrote:  I don't necessarily want to get married, but I want to reproduce.

What are my options?

Become a sperm donor to a lesbian couple?

So they can sue you for child support one day?

http://money.ca.msn.com/savings-debt/gal...89&page=4+

I trust no feminized country with this sort of thing. Not now, not until it collapses.

If you want kids, have them abroad and keep them there.

Post: #36

I get this a lot if I go out alone to do a simple task (like buying groceries), and I'm only approaching 30. If I run to the supermarket say at 8PM to pick up some items, I hear cashiers and shoppers (usually middle-aged couples) whispering, "why is he alone? he must be either a freak or gay."

The more rambunctious women actually will open me to find out if I'm a freak or gay based on my response. For example, last week at the grocery store I was standing in line to checkout and there was a couple in front of me. I heard them talking about me in hushed tones (woman: "he must be queer," cashier: "or just really weird.") then the woman looked back and asked some strange fucking question like, "so you came here tonight to get some vegetables?" I'm thinking WTF is 'wrong with you, you redneck bitch mind your own fucking business' but I replied with something like, "my fridge was running low, need to stock up."

Another time a little while ago, I was tossing a frisbee in the 'park' area of my upscale yuppie apartment complex with a black girl. HEAVEN FORBID A WHITE MAN TOSS A FRISBEE WITH A BLACK GIRL!!!!! There were some couples walking these pathetic little dogs, and also some father/daughter dog walking pairs. Every single one of them pointed at us and started gossiping. LOLOL!

That's life in the Deep South for you. If you're 25 and DON'T have 2 kids something's wrong with you.

Post: #37

The stigma has always been around in America. In Colonial times and in the early beginning of the United States, there was actually a bachelors tax that was levied against men above a certain age who were not married yet and as some people pointed out on this thread already, bachelors were seen as the wild card in society and a destabilizing influence. They usually didn't own property, couldn't vote and couldn't be a "pillar of the community" type so they were out-casted. Now days it's just mostly social shaming rather then flat out discrimination.

Post: #38

Article about bachelorhood in the US from the beginning of the founding of the country to modern times: http://artofmanliness.com/2012/04/05/a-h...y-america/

Post: #39

I'll be honest, having male & female strangers gossip within ear's distance that I'm a freak or gay when I'm out doing something silly like grocery shopping or browsing the clearance rack at Macys is frustrating as hell. And I'd be lying if I said it didn't effect my self-esteem on some level that "I'm not doing it right."

Anyone of any tips on it NOT effecting your self-esteem (short of moving out of this conservative shithole I'm in).

Post: #40

(11-29-2012 11:44 AM)HiFlo Wrote:  I'll be honest, having male & female strangers gossip within ear's distance that I'm a freak or gay when I'm out doing something silly like grocery shopping or browsing the clearance rack at Macys is frustrating as hell. And I'd be lying if I said it didn't effect my self-esteem on some level that "I'm not doing it right."

Anyone of any tips on it NOT effecting your self-esteem (short of moving out of this conservative shithole I'm in).

Nola is conservative??? You're doing something real real wrong if that happens and that shit you posted in clubs and whatnot. I'll meet you when I go there and tell you what it is it's probably an easy fix.

Post: #41

(11-29-2012 11:49 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  Nola is conservative??? You're doing something real real wrong if that happens and that shit you posted in clubs and whatnot. I'll meet you when I go there and tell you what it is it's probably an easy fix.

I live 2 hrs outside nola. Nola is one-of-a-kind, an anomaly in louisiana. go there for the big events, like last time was voodoo fest, prob hit up the new orleans bowl in dec. hit me up and we'll grab a beer when you're there.

Post: #42

Just went through this discussion with m family. I'm 25 and live in rural PA, I was confronted by my parents because I go out too much, drink too much, and chase women too much. They're trying to convince me to go to church, join a Christian men's group, seek counselling, and settle down with a respectable girl. Of course I laughed at them and walked out. I need to move.

Post: #43

I had a weird conversation with my dad recently while we were at a diner eating breakfast. He was giving me shit because I don't have a "real job". He said "Aren't most people your age married with children?" I replied no, that marriage rates for my demographic (20s) are way down. He agreed with me but still got on me about the kids part. I found it ironic because he was 35 when I was born and I'm his first. I guess I understand his concerns about what I'm going to do with the rest of my life, but I'm content with where I'm at.

Post: #44

Reading about some of the shit you guys get from your parents being being unmarried and childless makes me really thankful my parents don't bug me much about that shit. My brother got married and had two kids within a few years of graduating high school, got divorced when he was about 25 and now pays $750 monthly in child support plus half of all medical copays for his kids. He's struggling month to month, I guess my parents are just happy for me that I'm not trapped like that.