Post: #26

I've found that high T girls tend to be fascinated by game. It's taken me to some wild places, so I'll sometimes bring it up. But in general, you should show it, and not say it.

Post: #27

A successful person should make it look effortless. I'm sure something like this is one of the Greene's 48 laws of power.
I never talk about my diet or fitness with women. It's better that they think I am by nature athletic rather than that I have to work hard at it. Same with game.

You work hard 90% of the time so that in the remainder you are the dude who "effortlessly" has his shit together.

Post: #28

(10-23-2012 08:25 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:11 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I'm learning that not only is it wise not to talk about game but not to talk to them at all about anything not related to the moment. Also no phone calls no more. If they call hit the fuck you button and text back "Yes?" Girls troll for intel on you nonstop and have no plans to use it in your favor.

Gentlemen, heed these words.

However, you can talk of the future when you are stringing her imagination along, but never be concrete. You can talk of the past when it evokes good feelings, but only if YOU frame it.

Otherwise, it's only about the moment, as the Mech says.

Also, never talk about game AS game. My examples of the concepts are applied only to further my prominent position. The concepts can be useful leverage when the moment is right. But never reveal your schemes, your psychological ploys.

But don't hesitate to uncover THEIR ploys and let them know you recognize them...but always, ALWAYS, convey being non-judgmental. Their reaction? "Wow, he really understands me, he really accepts me for who I am."

It's an aphrodisicac to them. But in my mind I say, "Of course, I accept you for who you are so I can pound your pussy into shreds."

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Post: #29

a girl i'm seeing right now on and off, knew about game and mentioned it to me
she knew about 'negs' and mystery and neil strauss in particular and for the most part, she wasn't impressed with it
i decided to challenge her ideas somewhat, to point out that not all guys who read this stuff are out for ONS's or pump and dumps, but that some guys just struggle when it comes to meeting women and reading about game gives them the confidence and know-how to meet women, whether it be for short term flings or LTRs
she accepted that i had a point and we left it at that and she was more than happy to accomodate my foot long schlong later that evening

Post: #30

the irony is, if it wernt for one of my exes old friends from child hood not only introducing / schooling her on game but also using her as a wing / pivot, i would never have even known about game.

My ex confessed to me that when we met she fell so head over heels in love with me that she was certain i was some kinda mPUA, so she had me interact with that guy several times soley for the purpose of testing me to see if I was for real. Of course I passed [my beta chump exam] with flying colours.

during our protracted break up, I read HER COPY of the game, and thus my adventure began.


my personal example not withstanding I see no benefit in openly talking to women about game (as game). remember, what they think / tell you turns them on couldnt be further from the truth.

at best you'll just be argueing and shoot yourself in the foot, like Adam M's example above.
and at worst you'll be updating the other side with our intel, thus poluting the well.

...and for what, the chance to gloat to some pump n dump, by telling them how clever you are [while ironically proving the opposite], or maybe things were getting too easy with your LTR and you just want to mix it up a bit by having her start questioning "the magic".

Post: #31

@TheMan
I hear ya although in recent years, I've found some broads can verbalise quite accurately what turns them on/off
one ex of mine told me outright one day to 'be confident' when i was turning beta on her and later on told me i was 'weak' when i was getting clingy and overly affectionate - she had a long service history though, so perhaps she had finally worked out (in logical rather than emotional terms) what it was that really made her tick (and untick)

Post: #32

(10-22-2012 11:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:My opinion is that the best defense against somebody poaching your girl is to lay the dick down as well as possible.

The best defense against getting your girl poached is to make sure you have more girls

Nailed that one!

Post: #33

I've never had this situation, but if I may, let me give you some insight. Think about all the the advantages and favoritism society today has given women over men. They are now considered equal(yeah right) to men thanks to feminsm in the job market and more severly in the home. Because of feminism they are given a massive undeserved ego boost which they think gives them the right to act, say, and do what they want and no man had better speak up. The only weapon against it for us men is game and money, both of which arent easily aquired. Knowing that, why would you give intel to the "enemy".

Post: #34

A few mornings ago...

Girl: "I'll have two eggs scrambled and toast."
Me: "I'll have whatever you make best."
Girl: "Don't listen to him... he can make his own decisions"

Me: *pointing at my girl* "The hamster is strong with this one."
"Two eggs, overeasy."

The confused look on both of their faces: Priceless.

Post: #35

(10-24-2012 04:54 AM)amity Wrote:  @TheMan
I hear ya although in recent years, I've found some broads can verbalise quite accurately what turns them on/off
one ex of mine told me outright one day to 'be confident' when i was turning beta on her and later on told me i was 'weak' when i was getting clingy and overly affectionate - she had a long service history though, so perhaps she had finally worked out (in logical rather than emotional terms) what it was that really made her tick (and untick)

Just gonna leave this here.

This is also the answer to the whole thread.

Post: #36

Generally if I sleep with a girl a few times she'll end up reading my blog. This is because my friends are dicks. Most of them haven't really had a problem with it though.

Post: #37

(10-22-2012 11:29 PM)TheMan Wrote:  ...also you should always try and resist the urge to teach /show off / share how you do things. You can only take away from the mystique and subsequently your power.

This is good advice. I've over-played my hand a bit with friends who know what I'm up to, and I feel my potency and mystique are way down. A lot of guys I try to help by sharing Game with, end up trying to score beta brownie points with girls we know by telling them I'm a "pick-up artist" or "player."

Disappointing that they act that way after I've tried to help them. But I've taken the lesson to heart, and am mostly content to help others and teach them through my blog, rather than in real life.

Post: #38

(10-23-2012 08:33 PM)RawGod Wrote:  A successful person should make it look effortless. I'm sure something like this is one of the Greene's 48 laws of power.
I never talk about my diet or fitness with women. It's better that they think I am by nature athletic rather than that I have to work hard at it. Same with game.

You work hard 90% of the time so that in the remainder you are the dude who "effortlessly" has his shit together.

Agreed. The "natural" in whatever field-seducing women, making money, athleticism -is the most attractive to women because he comes by his success largely genetically and that is what women are looking for in a mate-superior genes.

You want to create the illusion of effortless mastery; this is very sexy to women.

That's why I never, never discuss game concepts with women

Post: #39

I used to let one girl in the the NLP tricks I was using on her. Didn't seem to stop them from working, or work against me in anyway. I figured in that specific case I kept my mystery, because the word play involved isn't an easy skill; it's not about memorization and it's not mechanical. You need some fly skills to come up with creative associations on the spot to weave your words together into hypnotic patterns. You could explain NLP to fifty people and only a few would be able to actually do it.

So in a way I was pointing out a level of poetry in my speech.

She was an intellectual girl, and that kind of thing scored big points with her. Mental fitness made her want to fuck me.

I've mentioned some other core game concepts sometimes - like the fact that girls are not sexually attracted to their beta orbiters, and how the man must be dominant - even at times to the point of treating her mean. I think it helps to lay that out from time to time, even if the girls will never listen. Cuts through a bit of their bullshit.

But most of the emotional manipulation that I do is just good socializing, and would be difficult to put into words, and too cumbersome to interject into any flow of conversation.

I don't have a good enough memory to run routines, and lack the interest anyway as I'm more into a seat of the pants spontaneous approach. I can't be in a flow moment if I'm repeating an old story or doing anything that bores me - I prefer the fun of working with the girls spontenaeity to find something fresh together. So as that part of game doesn't exist, it never gets explained.

Post: #40

(10-27-2012 03:14 PM)Dagonet Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 11:29 PM)TheMan Wrote:  ...also you should always try and resist the urge to teach /show off / share how you do things. You can only take away from the mystique and subsequently your power.

This is good advice. I've over-played my hand a bit with friends who know what I'm up to, and I feel my potency and mystique are way down. A lot of guys I try to help by sharing Game with, end up trying to score beta brownie points with girls we know by telling them I'm a "pick-up artist" or "player."

Disappointing that they act that way after I've tried to help them. But I've taken the lesson to heart, and am mostly content to help others and teach them through my blog, rather than in real life.

im sorry that you also had to go through that, but am glad that im not the only one it's happened to.

i was sooooo fucking happy to find someone who appeared to be [albeit severly unskilled but atleast ] on the same track.

talked shop with him

shared some of my key values like its not about the girl its about the skill and there are 7 billion people on the planet, over half are women and so on

introduced him to the the best bloggers the 'sphere had to offer

only to have him turn me in for a pittance of fleeting brownie points and the promptly return to his previous game of getting smashed and then being creepy.

im not gonna try and pretend that im all noble and that BS, i was totally in it for being able to talk with someone about what excites me (also to solidify your learnings by teaching)

but in the end I was the one who ended up learning the important lesson.

be red pill; front blue pill

Post: #41

(10-27-2012 08:48 AM)TheMan Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 04:54 AM)amity Wrote:  @TheMan
I hear ya although in recent years, I've found some broads can verbalise quite accurately what turns them on/off
one ex of mine told me outright one day to 'be confident' when i was turning beta on her and later on told me i was 'weak' when i was getting clingy and overly affectionate - she had a long service history though, so perhaps she had finally worked out (in logical rather than emotional terms) what it was that really made her tick (and untick)

Just gonna leave this here.

This is also the answer to the whole thread.

dude, i respect your opinion, and roosh's too of course
i saw that post a while back and i don't disagree with the general thrust of it
and of course, in matters of game and getting laid and so forth, you don't ask a woman about that stuff, i know that
i'm talking about sh1t like getting yourself organised, timekeeping, keeping your place clean and tidy, i've gotten some good advice from one or two women on that stuff and it's helped me
just saying
don't regard absolutely everything that comes from a woman's mouth as horsesh1t
i just keep an open mind with these things, and i disregard it when it's her hamster talking

Post: #42

I have a few girls in my social circle who know all about it, they still seem intent on helping me fuck their friends at all costs.

one girl who's in my rotation knows too

Post: #43

(11-02-2012 10:11 AM)amity Wrote:  

(10-27-2012 08:48 AM)TheMan Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 04:54 AM)amity Wrote:  @TheMan
I hear ya although in recent years, I've found some broads can verbalise quite accurately what turns them on/off
one ex of mine told me outright one day to 'be confident' when i was turning beta on her and later on told me i was 'weak' when i was getting clingy and overly affectionate - she had a long service history though, so perhaps she had finally worked out (in logical rather than emotional terms) what it was that really made her tick (and untick)

Just gonna leave this here.

This is also the answer to the whole thread.

dude, i respect your opinion, and roosh's too of course
i saw that post a while back and i don't disagree with the general thrust of it
and of course, in matters of game and getting laid and so forth, you don't ask a woman about that stuff, i know that
i'm talking about sh1t like getting yourself organised, timekeeping, keeping your place clean and tidy, i've gotten some good advice from one or two women on that stuff and it's helped me
just saying
don't regard absolutely everything that comes from a woman's mouth as horsesh1t
i just keep an open mind with these things, and i disregard it when it's her hamster talking

ah, sorry dude. for some reason I thought you meant in reference to attraction and game.

Post: #44

I know I'm treading on dangerous ground, so to speak, any time that I start revealing the matrix to a pre-bang chick. The warning bells go off and I usually reign it back in.

When girls talk about guys doing lame shit, like buying flowers or asking permission, etc, I will often say something like, "yeah, most guys don't have a clue/have no game".

When a girl asks me why I don't use facebook, it's pretty hard not to say, "Well I got sick of seeing my friends waste their lives marrying fat broads, and I can't stomach seeing below average girls get 100 likes from their crew of beta orbiters for every duck face photo."

I've realized that any time I bring up "game speak", it's usually me saying something negative (i.e, dumb beta orbiters, facebook social whores, etc) and I'm just taking away from the vibe.

Most of my friends don't even get excited about game, even though they wanna get laid and some go months without.

I can't expect a women to really get anything out of me telling her that I know how to manipulate her.

Reminds me of what my pubic speaking teacher always said, "Show, don't tell".

Post: #45

Yeah, it's always tempting to show off, brag, and go ahead and reveal your red pill alpha wisdom to a girl.

Don't do it. There's little to no upside. In fact, at best it simply helps dispel the mystery girls conjure up around their sexual attraction to you.

At worst, it indicates to the girl that you're not really an alpha guy but are only masquerading as one.

Post: #46

I wouldn’t recommend talking about game in any shape or form with a girl you're dating at the moment. Especially if you keep her at the distance and away from your friends.

However if you socialize with girls in front of your social circle friends it’s impossible not to be asked about it since they see you mingling with strangers on regular basis or introducing them to people you meet. So in that case i find these 3 points very helpful. Keep in mind at all times that those 3 points feed into socially conditioned girls' state of mind. They make perfect sense to girls in general. And that's the whole point of it, to keep girls you know as your cheerleaders not obstacles in spite of being a player.

# Keep interactions social & innocent in public
Portray yourself as a social guy who likes to surround himself with aesthetically pleasing people. Be playful and innocent in public so that nobody can tell that something serious is going down. No burning sets to the ground. no blow me or blow me out. This serves the purpose not being labelled as a total try hard manwhore chasing tail like a maniac.

# Stay on the fence
Be open about what type of a girl you like. What physical/personality traits you find attractive. Be rather specific. You want girls to think that you still mingle with random girls because you haven't met a girl who has matched your personality yet. You can add some insecurities to the mix, it makes you more human like, not ice cold pickup machine.

# Make your stories "interesting & innocent"
As you speak with girl friends about game/relationships make your stories/adventures vague enough to not set an alarm that you're viciously conscious of what you're doing. If you can share your failures it's even better. They're funny and happen to everyone. So it makes you more relatable person and cool to reveal something as ego fragile stuff as blowouts/being dumped. so keep it innocent at least at first (I got one girl friend who I can tell literally everything about pickup/game and she's cool with that, but she's exceptional, one in hundred)

Also whatever you say make it INTERESTING to listen to. Incorporate your insights/points/conclusions in stories or gambits that girls can relate to or at least understand. In the same fashion like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7xeTdIH_f0. He talks about fucking mathematics/algorithms in fun cool interesting way. Same thing you can do with talking about game.

Let’s say you were in a bar with girls where you approached bunch of chicks throughout the night. Then the next day they ask you about it. don't tell them "yeah I first approached not so hot ones just to warm up and get talkative so that when this stunner walked by I was on fire already so I could take her by the hand and hug as an opener to bypass the building attraction stage which allowed me to establish sexual frame right off the bat". None of that. it's creepy. tell them "this girl smiled at me.. i told her she got cute smile.. we went to the bar where some other girl ordered funny drink.. so we talked about it.. had a few laughs.. Then she invited me to her friends... we chatted... then i saw a girl i used to know so i came over to say hello... lastly this girl walked in that reminded me of my primary school love so i had to talk to her".

Similar to sharing stories about relationships/pickup. Talk like "lately I’ve been helping my friend with her essay about the topic of women mating problems in this day and age and I find it interesting how girls view it. Like what would you girls do to find a guy if school/job/gym was not an option? Cause I feel like women have it tough as they always try to be as passive as possible. Guys on the other hand...” and you talk about girls/guys meeting each other, clubs, snl, ltr, sex or teach them something etc.

just some thoughts

Post: #47

Many girls(especially polish) have talked to me about game often with very accurate descriptions.They totally sniff what is going on.I usually refude to tell anything.

Post: #48

i think we can all agree that game tactics emerge from overall theory and strategy. i think over time it is useful to describe the perspective that one has who is an expert at game, ie. the unplugged red pill perspective. talk about the general theories, male female dynamics, how it is all politicized, expectations, etc...

do this so that you can train the ones you are with to understand how you want things to be

if you have the right frame, strong dominant, they will fall in line behind your theories (universal truths i mean). they will become (more) of the woman you want them to be

if they want you, then they will shape themselves to be what you want.

at least in my experience anyway

Post: #49

All of my interactions, male and female are dependant upon my worldview. When I interact with people, over time the way I see the world "leaks" out whether I want to or not.

I recently reconnected with an ex girlfriend and she asked me if I had studied PU at the time we were going out. I told her I had. When I find something interesting I find it hard/impossible to not do it and PU was like this as well. I still remember being hunched over my computer and needing to prepare for my Medical School exams but wanting to finish the Venusian Arts book again. I talked about all of this with her and it was cool. Bear in mind that this is a Liberal self proclaimed Feminist and this question came out of her setting up a photo shoot for a feminist S&M writer that was just coming out with a book attacking PUA (It turned out that I had previously meet this other S&M writer since she was a friend of a friend and we hadn't gotten along for some reason or another).

If women ask me if I'm a PUA I say No (There is a negative social stigma attached due to the conception that to PU you have to manipulate). I'm a human being who is interested in social dynamics and who likes to fuck women (wink wink!). Have I read PU material? Yes. Do I agree with all of the theories? No. Above all, and I think this is the point most women are getting at, I'm a genuine person and I don't manipulate anyone into anything. Hot women fuck me because (hopefully) I'm interesting to be around and we have fun together (sometimes they fuck me because I'm attractive and at the bar and often that's enough).

A compliment I recently received from an American girl was I was one of the most genuine and honest people she had ever meet.

I think often the question hiding behind the question of "Are you a PUA" is "Are you trying to manipulate me".



On an unrelated note, to everyone out there that is/was religious. I used to be very religious and didn't believe in sex before marriage since I thought it was a sin. If the occasion comes up I will talk about this and it is a story that a lot of people connect with. After having this worldview and wanting to change and experience new things PU was one of the things that gave me an impulse to change and helped me to go out and try different things. There is no substitute for experience.

Post: #50

Consider this, even if you give a clear example of what Game is she will still filter it through her being a woman and mentally/emotionally make it into something its not.