Post: #26

I think El Mechanico and UrbanNerd have both struck on an important factor - the degree of autonomy and/ or freedom the role provides

Post: #27

(10-12-2012 05:29 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  I don't really understand how wanting to adhere to so-called alpha policies against practicality.

Yes, I take orders from someone...usually a client because I never work where my so-called bosses are. Also, I am in I.T. consulting with a security clearance. I can pretty much leave one employer and work for another in 24 hours...so I need not take any sh*t.

Still....I would not let alpha vs. beta stop my main goal of survival and/or money.

It's more practical to sit at home and fap to porn on the internet or have an LTR than it is to go out and approach women night after night, and yet here we are.

My main goal is to make money too. We just go about it in different fashions. If you're content in your situation then good for you. I don't believe anyone is implying that you should hand in your resignation just because you have work delegated to you.

Post: #28

I work for myself. It's pretty alpha.

Just the other day I had a client say to me on the phone, "Hey man. the work you've done is great, but if I give you an extra $k, can you do this as well?'

Of course, being alpha I told him, "FUCK NO MAN I AINT YOUR SLAVE BITCH I DO THE WORK I WANNA DO" then slammed the phone down. I bet his girlfriend is going to want to come over to my place when he tells her because i'm such an alpha real man.

Post: #29

I take orders from my business. It's my boss.

Other than being retired, money involves work, and work involves service.

We can say that service is beta, but then we have to realize that beta is not a bad thing. Being of service to others feels good to both parties, and is pro-social. The old school nobility are expected to be of service - nobless oblige.

I think the biggest cognitive error we have around the alpha/beta dichotomy is thinking that beta traits are to be abolished. Nonsense. They are also to be fostered.

In fact for a well rounded and powerful long term attraction, you'd better be an expert in beta attractiveness traits.

Post: #30

Yeah, it's pretty beta. Unless you get paid a good hourly rate with lots of free time to work on other things then it becomes alpha launching pad.

Post: #31

In theory working for yourself is more alpha, but things seldom work out just as the theory would predict. Take "lifestyle artists" like Tim Ferris. If you really think he only works 4 hours a week creating content and promoting it you must be high. More like 40+ hours I would guess.

Also, the layers in the hierarchy go on pretty much forever. The top forever out of reach. Like a mirage in the Kalahari. Basically, we are all, every last one of us on earth, somebody's bitch.

Post: #32

I'm self employed, but I don't necessarily see employees as betas...

About Tim Ferriss... I also consider myself a lifestyle artist. The way that I make money allowed me to live a "4 hour work week" lifestyle for the last two years.

I have some new goals so I'm working more now, but it is absolutely possible in this day and age to create that type of lifestyle if you want. I don't know how many hours Tim Ferriss is working, but if he wants to work a few hours a week now, he could easily do it because of book sales and all the traffic going to his blog.

Post: #33

I'm so tired of the words "alpha" and "beta."

Post: #34

(10-17-2012 09:37 PM)Tbone Wrote:  I'm self employed, but I don't necessarily see employees as betas...

About Tim Ferriss... I also consider myself a lifestyle artist. The way that I make money allowed me to live a "4 hour work week" lifestyle for the last two years.

I have some new goals so I'm working more now, but it is absolutely possible in this day and age to create that type of lifestyle if you want. I don't know how many hours Tim Ferriss is working, but if he wants to work a few hours a week now, he could easily do it because of book sales and all the traffic going to his blog.

I agree that he could work only 4 hours or less. Anybody who has accumulated some form of wealth can. It's just that I really don't believe he does right now. So looking at HIS lifestyle as an example of where a 4 hour workweek can get you is inaccurate.

I don't have a big issue with it. He has some good info in his books, and I like the way he tries to "hack" any challenging task.

Post: #35

(10-12-2012 04:54 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-12-2012 03:05 PM)BurnFirst Wrote:  Even if you have your own business you still work for your clients.

And you can fire them, call them cunts or whatever you want.

EXACTLY.

Firing clients is the best part of my job, even if I have to refund their money.

Post: #36

It's not "beta" to work for someone else. You can be alpha and be an employee.

The difference is the beta accepts commands and instructions.

The alpha takes notes and (hopefully) didn't sign a non-compete.

Post: #37

(10-14-2012 06:14 AM)xsplat Wrote:  I take orders from my business. It's my boss.

Other than being retired, money involves work, and work involves service.

We can say that service is beta, but then we have to realize that beta is not a bad thing. Being of service to others feels good to both parties, and is pro-social. The old school nobility are expected to be of service - nobless oblige.

I think the biggest cognitive error we have around the alpha/beta dichotomy is thinking that beta traits are to be abolished. Nonsense. They are also to be fostered.

In fact for a well rounded and powerful long term attraction, you'd better be an expert in beta attractiveness traits.

Care to elaborate on that?

Post: #38

Being submissive is beta, being rebellious and raging is also pretty beta. An adult man has the healthy traits of assertiveness and strength, but also co-operativeness and empathy.

Being assertive is alpha, being co-operative and being of service is alpha - because it's an exchange of value, for mutual benefit. Humans are meant to achieve great things in teams and between groups. It's only beta when you give away your power/assertiveness/strength and stop looking after your own needs too.

There are plenty of workplaces with managers on power trips who just like to dominate. In that case you can either submit, or be gently but persistently assertive and show them you're willing to be cooperative but not submissive. If that doesn't work, and the environment is just too toxic, then the assertive thing to do is go somewhere else.

Post: #39

(10-12-2012 04:54 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-12-2012 03:05 PM)BurnFirst Wrote:  Even if you have your own business you still work for your clients.

And you can fire them, call them cunts or whatever you want.

If you work a job you can quit, same difference really.

Post: #40

(10-12-2012 02:11 PM)Rah Wrote:  Bums can have game. If a bum uses the "panhandler" street day game opener routine on an HB7+ and can venue change to his cardboard box with "I want to show you how many cans I collected today", you know he's alpha.

Homeless + game = there is no spoon

Cardboard box? That's omega. The real alphas have a tent and bang 17 year olds in it two at a time after they go out and get you drugs.

Post: #41

(10-12-2012 12:41 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  Picking fruit is beta. How dare "Mother Nature" tell me when to harvest? I don't supplicates before women.

Nice analogy. NOT.

Post: #42

[quote='el mechanico' pid='286442' dateline='1350079474']
I've been in fist fights at work, called women stupid cunts, blown off airbags in the parking lot, chased a dude with a light torch, sprayed carb cleaner under the bathroom door with someone in it and light it blowing the door off. made a cannon out of pvc pipe and have had 911 called on me about 15 times at least.

Can't get fired.
*** Never a dull moment in your office huh?

Post: #43

(10-12-2012 05:04 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  sprayed carb cleaner under the bathroom door with someone in it and light it blowing the door off.

Isn't that dangerous? Did the guy have any hair left? What about his hearing?

Post: #44

(10-23-2012 05:38 PM)BurnFirst Wrote:  

(10-12-2012 04:54 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-12-2012 03:05 PM)BurnFirst Wrote:  Even if you have your own business you still work for your clients.

And you can fire them, call them cunts or whatever you want.

If you work a job you can quit, same difference really.

You call your boss a cunt, quit your job and expect to get a new job? LOL.