Post: #26

(09-29-2012 03:58 PM)houston Wrote:  When did women change? Why did they?

The consensus seems to be around 1980. Before then women just weren't as entitled since the average woman had fewer career options and therefore less independence. They needed and wanted to rely on men. As women entered the workplace, this changed.

Quote: Will they ever go back to their old ways?

Not in my lifetime

Post: #27

(09-29-2012 07:16 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 03:58 PM)houston Wrote:  When did women change? Why did they?

The consensus seems to be around 1980. Before then women just weren't as entitled since the average woman had fewer career options and therefore less independence. They needed and wanted to rely on men. As women entered the workplace, this changed.

Quote: Will they ever go back to their old ways?

Not in my lifetime

No. Whenever you want to know the answer to a question about the future of culture, ask "Will it benefit the rich?" because they decide how everything works except the basic laws of nature. There are exceptions, ie the Russian and French revolutions, but 98 per cent of the time they win.

Was there ever a large nuclear war? No, because Harvard dads and moms would have missed Nantucket that summer.

Has the stock market ever REALLY crashed in the last 50 years so there was no food in stores and riots started? No, beause the rich don't want to be hiring security guards like people in Mexico have to.

Will women go back to being feminine in rich countries? NO, because the rich and the corpogovernment ( corporations and the government are the same thing) are getting more taxes with EVERYONE working and busting ass. Except guys like Romney who make 10 million and pay the same tax rates as a secretary.

Post: #28

I am taking a college class and worse than the girls are the guys. It's really sad walking around the campus and seeing these college guys today. There are the saddest bunch of guys around - so weak looking. I can't even imagine what kind of men there are going to grow up to be. If this is the future then the women have won already.

Post: #29

(09-29-2012 11:37 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I am taking a college class and worse than the girls are the guys. It's really sad walking around the campus and seeing these college guys today. There are the saddest bunch of guys around - so weak looking. I can't even imagine what kind of men there are going to grow up to be. If this is the future then the women have won already.

Please elaborate.

Post: #30

Maybe I am being too rough on them but their whole appearance, attitude, and the way they carry themselves is almost girlish. The word masculine does not come to mind when you are looking at these guys. In contrast the girls are almost more masculine than the guys. They carry themselves with greater authority. To put it another way, the girls run the campus, because they act and walk that way.

Post: #31

Plenty of Polish chicks in Chicago have been tainted as well. Did you guys know Chicago is the city (+ surrounding area) with the most Poles outside of Warsaw ? Bet you didn't know that, but sadly they get Americanized & Westernized quite quickly out here. Either that or they end up being like a Polish version of the Jersey Shore caricature in the clubs. All style, no substance & quite materialistic.

(09-29-2012 01:20 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  from Roosh's article:

>but stepping foot inside the borders of America or Britain for more than three months will cause the female victim to become infected with the Western virus.

yep, Polish girls who have spent time in Britain have this virus. It really freaked me out, could they be infected *that* quickly... I'm not even sure there is a cure.

Post: #32

What we are all talking about here are symptoms. What we need to identity is the cause. Only after we do that can we start thinking of a cure. Make no mistake this is a huge problem with huge ramifications and deep rooted causal agents.

Post: #33

(09-30-2012 02:03 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  What we are all talking about here are symptoms. What we need to identity is the cause. Only after we do that can we start thinking of a cure. Make no mistake this is a huge problem with huge ramifications and deep rooted causal agents.

Follow the money.

Post: #34

(09-28-2012 10:36 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  ...The corollary of all of this is: you can't bring a foreign woman here to live and be your wife or girlfriend. She will quickly become infected with the American disease and transform in an Americanized version of whatever she was in no time.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are many reasonable points being made here, but sometimes I think you guys take it to the extreme...almost like seeing things with rose-tinted glasses.

What do you guys think of these Russians then?

'Slovenly, dirty, and when they're not being rude they're biting their nails': Russian girls launch attack on British men...

and

Is She Rude or Just Russian?

I don't know many Russians from Russia but I've met a few and they're by no means perfect.

(09-30-2012 01:52 AM)reppin_the_847 Wrote:  ...Did you guys know Chicago is the city (+ surrounding area) with the most Poles outside of Warsaw ?

Where did you get this info from. Because there are loads of Poles in London too...in fact we even have jokes here (if someone is foreign we basically assume they're a Pole)

Post: #35

(09-29-2012 12:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  "You have a boyfriend back in Greece. I have no idea what to believe. But if you want, you can come over tonight." "Okay... I'd like that."

That night, as my dick was deep in her asshole, she told me, "I'm your slut. You can do whatever you want to me. Fuck me in the ass all you want." And for the remainder of the relationship, I did just that.

So, back to the OP: Yes, American culture is completely toxic to femininity, and even during the short four months I had with a foreign girl there was a point where I had to battle with her in order to keep her from being Americanized.

Let me get this straight. She was nurturing, sweet and feminine when you met her, fresh of the boat. But America is toxic, so she didn't want to get fucked in the ass one night. But it's of no concern she was getting fucked in the ass by you while she had a boyfriend?" Her femininity pre-USA amounted to being a cheating slut. Not much to ruin further.

What I am trying to say is, yes, Western culture sucks in some aspects. But to focus on the corrupting effect of that culture is to miss the fact that it's female nature. If you think you have caught a rare, feminine angel from abroad you will be blind sided that she too will fuck another guy if you slip.

Women are dirty animals. Men are dirty animals. C'est la vie!

Post: #36

(09-30-2012 08:18 AM)sixsix Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 12:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  "You have a boyfriend back in Greece. I have no idea what to believe. But if you want, you can come over tonight." "Okay... I'd like that."

That night, as my dick was deep in her asshole, she told me, "I'm your slut. You can do whatever you want to me. Fuck me in the ass all you want." And for the remainder of the relationship, I did just that.

So, back to the OP: Yes, American culture is completely toxic to femininity, and even during the short four months I had with a foreign girl there was a point where I had to battle with her in order to keep her from being Americanized.

Let me get this straight. She was nurturing, sweet and feminine when you met her, fresh of the boat. But America is toxic, so she didn't want to get fucked in the ass one night. But it's of no concern she was getting fucked in the ass by you while she had a boyfriend?" Her femininity pre-USA amounted to being a cheating slut. Not much to ruin further.

What I am trying to say is, yes, Western culture sucks in some aspects. But to focus on the corrupting effect of that culture is to miss the fact that it's female nature. If you think you have caught a rare, feminine angel from abroad you will be blind sided that she too will fuck another guy if you slip.

Women are dirty animals. Men are dirty animals. C'est la vie!

If it makes any difference, she told me she had never cheated on a boyfriend before, and she had only been with 10 men before me. Then again, most women I sleep with tell me they've had low partner counts or never slept with a man on the first night they met me. Either I consistently get good girls, or they all lie like motherfuckers.

But, more to the point, femininity, manners, general attitude, and sluttiness have nothing to do with each other. A woman can be feminine yet rude. A woman can be feminine yet be slutty. A woman can be feminine yet be a negative person. Likewise, a woman can be unfeminine yet polite (think of a female boss). Or unfeminine yet prude (think of a nun). Or unfeminine yet totally positive and happy (like Oprah portrays herself).

Femininity is it's own class of behavior.




By the way, every culture of women has their own flaws - for example, Greek women are insane liars and cheats, but if you can handle that you can enjoy their sweet feminine nature.

I was talking to one player with international experience, and he told me, regarding women from one culture to the next,

"It's all about what you can handle, really."

In other words, There's no such thing as a culture where the women are perfect. When choosing a woman from one country versus another, you'll need to decide what type of character flaws you can handle.

So, regarding American women. They have zero femininity, are slutty as fuck, and want total control of a relationship - but they tend to be more honest, tend to make more money, tend to be less lazy, tend to cheat less once in a relationship (they're too proud to admit they made a mistake in their boyfriend), and be less helpless compared to most foreign women.



I suppose if you are a truly weak man, American women are quite appealing.

But this forum consists of mostly manly men, with masculine desires. American women are wholly unsuitable for us.

When I was dating the Greek girl, it didn't bother me at all that she was a liar and a cheat. For me, that downside was more than outweighed by the upsides of sex on demand, her willingness to please, and her soft and quiet nature.

Plus, I felt zero remorse when I banged other girls behind her back. It really worked well for me.

Post: #37

Ok, I think there is enough evidence that American women are not feminine and the foreign women that come here become that way too. So the choices are:

1. We accept and deal with that.
2. We leave the country.
3. We try to change things.

Post: #38

(09-29-2012 11:44 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  The biggest problem is American TV and movies that promotes these types. Girls look at this shit and believe oh that's what cool now. If it's on American TV it has to be.

The biggest problem is the American male and his willingness to allow any given female (particularly a cute one) to get away with anything she pleases. What we see is a result of male acquiescence. Women are merely taking what American men insist on giving them.

The only thing keeping the American reality from coming to pass everywhere else is male unwillingness to roll over accordingly. If the Russian/Polish/Ukrainian women we spend so much time praising could get away with this kind of behavior in their country, rest assured they would. They'll test and push men just like any other woman, they're wired for it the way all females are. The difference is that in Russia/Poland/Ukraine, their men will not put up with bullshit for too long, and will insist that they settle it before giving them any validation at all.

A woman who pulls a stunt like the one Samseau saw from his Greek girl would get the same response from Russian men that Samseau gave-"I'm out of here, I don't need this shit, get your ass back in line or you're on your own".
This is the response of men who simply will not put up with the bullshit, much less cheer for it, fight for it (white-knight against other men who even make mild, non-violent attempts to stand up to their women) or publicly celebrate it (just turn the TV on sometime) like men do here in the USA. This is the response of a man who is not a slave to female validation, whose life does not revolve around the whims of any given woman. This is a man a woman simply cannot control easily, if at all.

Russian women grow up and figure this out (can't control their men), so they behave in a less entitled and moderately less bitchy manner. The consequences of behaving like an entitled bitch or disrespecting the men in their lives are obvious to them (the men will simply leave them to themselves, no white knighting) and so they don't cross the line. Instead they enhance their femininity, realizing the irony that this gives them the most power of all remaining options (their men won't cave in the face of bitchy behavior, but perhaps they could be influenced a bit if they become endeared to the uniquely feminine charms of a woman).

The bottomline is that they can't make men do anything they do not want to do, nor can they take what they are not given. Since they lack the physical strength and testosterone to intimidate men into anything, they settle down and make do with the femininity they do have.

The typical American male, on the other hand, would probably have given in to that Greek girl's demands (which Samseau masterfully dismissed).
"Oh, you're not comfortable with this? Ok, we can do something else, I respect your boundaries totally (even though you've just moved the goal posts and are essentially jerking me around with this). Oh, you want me to stay here tonight? Ok, I will! We can do whatever you want, just let me know! You look so beautiful baby, you complete me!"

Women can be surprisingly rational in this sense-they know what they can get away with, and they stay within that limit. Men, being the more physically powerful and naturally dominant sex, are responsible for setting that limit, and women will always test to see if they have done so. Globally, most men have set a reasonable limit that disallows widespread bitchiness and entitlement.

Western men (and, to a more specific extent, Anglo-European and Scandinavian men) set no limits, so their women respond by pushing as far as they can.

And hey, why shouldn't they? When behaving like an entitled, flaky bitch gets you declarations of love, expensive gifts and widespread supplication, what incentive is there not to be an entitled, flaky bitch?

The virus of Americanization comes from within-it is a virus created and spread by men willing to surrender wholesale control of their lives (and, to a certain extent, their entire society) to women with next to no resistance. Men created it, and only men can cure it. Women will continue to take as long as men are willing to give.

How can dudes fix this? Behave like real men (set boundaries, stop rolling over, punish disrespect quickly and clearly, etc). That is the only kind of behavior women (of ALL nationalities) maintain truly unwavering respect for, and it is the only thing that will get them to behave in the way all of us say we want them to.
Until American men make a widespread rediscovery of their collective balls, little will change here.

Post: #39

I agree 100%. If you want a woman to act like a woman you need to act like a man!

Post: #40

Quote:Until American men make a widespread rediscovery of their collective balls, little will change here.

Not holding my breath.

But there is good news. Just as America lacks feminine women, it also lacks masculine men. Being a masculine man in America is a rare, and therefore hot, commodity. I act with a masculine purpose and energy, and it's one of the biggest reasons I can fuck girls the same night I meet them.

The average American girl has NEVER experienced a masculine man before. By acting with self-respect and charm, you can dazzle American girls.

Post: #41

(10-01-2012 02:00 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:Until American men make a widespread rediscovery of their collective balls, little will change here.

Not holding my breath.

Neither am I. I hold some hope for improvement with coming generational shift (Gen. Y/Millenials are somewhat more red pill than the boomers and older Gen X. who currently run our society), but there are plenty of pussified millenials too. The passing of the boomers won't solve this problem entirely, I don't think, but perhaps the generations after us will at least be a bit more aware of reality. Sites like this (which didn't exist way back when) should help a little.

Quote:But there is good news. Just as America lacks feminine women, it also lacks masculine men. Being a masculine man in America is a rare, and therefore hot, commodity. I act with a masculine purpose and energy, and it's one of the biggest reasons I can fuck girls the same night I meet them.

The average American girl has NEVER experienced a masculine man before. By acting with self-respect and charm, you can dazzle American girls.

True. Might as well enjoy the decline.

Post: #42

shes only been with 10 guys?

1. shes lowballing. the real figure is 20.

2. even if it really was "just" 10, thats still way too much. this girl is a ho and you're blnded by your misguided puppy love for her.

Post: #43

The minute a Russian girl realizes her value vs. her peers in the states is the minute the worst of the Russian spirit will come out. Selfishness, vapidity, goldigger tendencies. You can't really blame her: she knows what she's worth, and compared to other American korov she often has a point. My ex-fiance is a Ukrainian 9, and she remained a girl from Ukraine underneath all that Westernized bullshit for a long time, until sadly she began reading Jezebel and telling me how she wanted me to buy her $10k diamond bracelets. It was sad to witness.

Always go for the pure Russians. They may not be easy to talk to at first, but it's always worth it. Keep in mind they have that moment of reckoning looming, and they will spoil, but until then it's always worth it.

Post: #44

(10-01-2012 06:18 AM)megatron Wrote:  shes only been with 10 guys?

1. shes lowballing. the real figure is 20.

2. even if it really was "just" 10, thats still way too much. this girl is a ho and you're blnded by your misguided puppy love for her.

Quote:Then again, most women I sleep with tell me they've had low partner counts or never slept with a man on the first night they met me. Either I consistently get good girls, or they all lie like motherfuckers.

Post: #45

Things to take into account, after WWII, so many Soviet men died in WWII (17 million), there was a huge shortage of men and to get a man, women *really* had to put an effort in. That culture carried over in women and is still present and there are still less men than women.

I'm not sure if it is "game" that Russian women are using per se. Russian women can have very confident and bewitching eye contact, they place great value on personal charm and often emphasize qualities like love and purity.

One friend was with a Russian women for months before she put out, when normally he is a bit of a player. I still wonder why he stuck in there. But this is my theory, Russian women know that what men really value is not really sex, but affection (see 60 years of challenge theory) and really put out on that level. And that's like a drug, it alters your brain chemistry. I do believe there is a real power in that, and Russian women do appear very empowered on different levels. They didn't have any feminism movement, because Russian women were working alongside Russian building rockets and whatever else since 1917! And still they value their femininity.

Post: #46

Quote:The Russian Russian was calm, polite, and completely undemanding. In one word she was feminine whereas the Americanize Russian was - American.

Say it for what it is: The Russian Russian was FEMININE. The American Russian was MASCULINE

Post: #47

(09-30-2012 05:29 AM)storm Wrote:  

(09-30-2012 02:03 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  What we are all talking about here are symptoms. What we need to identity is the cause. Only after we do that can we start thinking of a cure. Make no mistake this is a huge problem with huge ramifications and deep rooted causal agents.

Follow the money.

"The goal of capitalism is to reduce all human interaction to the cash nexus." (The late Leon Day.)

Affection? Spending time with kids? Walking in the park enjoying each other's company? Ha!- That stuff's for the weak women. You want to be a STRONG, INDEPENDENT WOMAN.

Russia is only capitalist, or more accurately an oligarchy for the last 15 - 20 years. For 70 years before that there was little wealth to go after. People learned to enjoy each other although they were paranoid. It's naive to believe current corporate programming and believe communism was a total failure in every single possible way.Totilitarian communism is crazy and ends up with murder for sure, but if you like the women, you're giving their attempt at something other than unbridled capitalism some kind of vote right there.

Don't take my word for it-- I mean you have a rising rich class here in USA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_ineq...ted_States

How do you like the effect on women?