Post: #26

(02-01-2010 12:54 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  Great thread. Looking forward to hearing more reports on this method.

Tomorrow I'm going to Las Vegas.

I think that after 11:30 p.m. this will be my only method of communication with the ladies.

Aloha!

Post: #27

(02-03-2010 05:14 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(02-01-2010 12:54 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  Great thread. Looking forward to hearing more reports on this method.

Tomorrow I'm going to Las Vegas.

I think that after 11:30 p.m. this will be my only method of communication with the ladies.

Aloha!

Careful. I tried this with a chick in Vegas. Her and her friend drove me and my buddy back to our hotel from the club. They were easily the hottest girls in the club. I thought to myself "wow this apocalypse opener stuff is no joke". We go up to our room, and as I go in for the kiss, the friend asks me "so you're going to take care of my friend, right?". I say "yeah whatever". I take my girl to the bathroom and my buddy knocks on the door and informs me that these two chicks are hookers and that the friend was actually requesting payment. They were dressed pretty conservatively for Vegas. Completely ruined my night because it was too late to go back to the club. Kicked em out and went to bed.

Post: #28

(02-03-2010 05:36 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

(02-03-2010 05:14 AM)Kona Wrote:  

(02-01-2010 12:54 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  Great thread. Looking forward to hearing more reports on this method.

Tomorrow I'm going to Las Vegas.

I think that after 11:30 p.m. this will be my only method of communication with the ladies.

Aloha!

Careful. I tried this with a chick in Vegas. Her and her friend drove me and my buddy back to our hotel from the club. They were easily the hottest girls in the club. I thought to myself "wow this apocalypse opener stuff is no joke". We go up to our room, and as I go in for the kiss, the friend asks me "so you're going to take care of my friend, right?". I say "yeah whatever". I take my girl to the bathroom and my buddy knocks on the door and informs me that these two chicks are hookers and that the friend was actually requesting payment. They were dressed pretty conservatively for Vegas. Completely ruined my night because it was too late to go back to the club. Kicked em out and went to bed.

yeah, I guess that would be the downside to the AO. You may just bump into a pro that appreciates a "no-hassle" customer and gets down to business...or at least she assumes you are, as 99% of the guys in the world are not as bold in AO.

There are certain distinct character traits that any pro has no matter how high-end she may be. Number 1 - High-end pro's DO NOT hang in pairs!! (just look at Antoine from Deuce Bigalow - hehe). They are too high up in the totem pole of hooker-ism to need "a friend to tag along". It also risks them losing a customer to the competition!

So, to test a single girl to see if she is a hooker after you executed the almighty AO, I test the waters by immediately asking her to pay for the cab as you only have a credit card (and show her your wallet with no cash) - if she is not a pro, and indeed wants to fuck you, this will not be an issue - trust me, I already tried it a few times! If she is a pro, she will INSIST you hit an ATM, and she'll just ask you up front how you plan on taking care of her and her friend. If she does not react, and still remains mysterious, you can counter with my secret weapon of pro filtering

"Yeah, let me stop by an ATM - no big deal withdrawing 30 bucks for cabfare, and I'll just use plastic to pay for anything else along the ways anyways"

-- The nice thing about that is that you told her what amount you will withdraw, which will obviously not be enough to cover her fee if she is a PRO! At this point, she'll say something like "Oh, you'll need a lot more than that honey" - Now, you know what she is up to.


So, whenever a a really hot stunner, says "I am bringing a friend - red flag!!!" yeah, you may think your game is incredible - hardly - you are with a hooker likely.

I would immediately smile and joke to test the waters and say - "Ok, bring her, but I'm gonna have to charge you double, I've been getting 10 dollars lately, so 20 should cover it as it's all I even got cash right now...I'll pay for the cab, and we'll call it even - cool? =)" ..again see how she reacts carefully - you are looking for signs of desperation to get cash in hand...

You can also say, "bring her, but I only have like 20 bucks cash for cabfare, and I hope the taxi does not charge per person" - see how she reacts. :-)

If she laughs, chances are they're not pros - a real pro, would not find it so humorous - they fucking mean business, and are not going to waste their valuable time with a cashless mofo!


Anyone else have any pro filtering mechanisms we can use?

Post: #29

(02-03-2010 09:29 AM)armanid27 Wrote:  Anyone else have any pro filtering mechanisms we can use?

You need to gather your intel pre-AO. There's probably about 75 standardized indicators of prostitution (the pick-up artists call them IOPs). Keep in mind you may only have a few seconds for screening.

There's no tricking when it comes to the AO. If you've used it properly you should already have a highly sexualized vibe going with the target. Do some kissing.

If there is any doubt in your mind just say "You're not a hooker, are you?" Be careful, though, this could blow your whole deal. If you've been smart enough about it she will say no, but she may be a little offended. If she gets a upset, you say "Well, I had to check, regardless, I am going to f**k as though you are." Usually, when you do ask she will just laugh a bit and make some type of comment similar to that. It's a good way to step up the sexual talk, also.

The cab thing looks good on paper, but it worries me. Have your exit strategy firmly in place. You don't want any bullshit getting in your way.

Aloha!

Post: #30

True, the cab thing didn't apply to me, since they had their own escalade. Thinking back, this should have been a red flag. Great information posted by Kona and armanid.

Post: #31

This whole "daytime AO" thing is pretty crazy. I did my first 3 yesterday. I read the threads on this forum a little and went to a popular busy street between a mall and a university here in San Francisco. I casually started a conversation with a young lady walking along side me. It went like this...

(This reads like i was "interviewing/interrogating" her but in reality it was just a quick freindly conversation. She didn't seem bothered or annoyed at all. She definately gave me her attention. She seemed to enjoy being "hit on". I spoke slowly and clearly and walked very relaxed and confidently without looking at her to seriously, my vibe was playful.

Me: how you doing?
Her: good
Me: hows school going?
Her: ok
Me: I like your jacket.
Her: thank you
Me: what are you studying?
Her: writing
Me: Ya, lots of great writers are from here. Are you from the city?(San Francisco)
Her: No
Me: You kinda look like your from "the 707" (Santa Rosa)
Her: No, I'm from the East Bay
Me: Ya, like Oakland?
Her: No, Walnut Creek
Me: Is that right? i have alot of friends from WC High
Her: Oh ya! I went to "(Rival)" high school. (finally looking stimulated)
Me: It must be cold for you here in "the city"?
Her: no, I actually like the cold (looking at me and finally breaking a smile)
Me: Really? I like it hot, like how it is in Walnut Creek
Her: Ya Have you ever been there?
Me: Ya I used to work up there (Lie)
Her: Oh ya, where?
Me: It was right off of Treat Road (The only street i know in that city)
Her: I know exactly where that is! (smiling and showing comfort)
Me: Its so nice up there
Her: Ya i miss it so much
Me: So how are the boys in the city treating you?
Her: not bad (kinda giggling)
Me: Are you done with school for the day?
Her: Ya
Me: What are you doing right now? (playfully not overly serious)
Her: I'm just going to meet a freind in Berkeley at 5pm (it was 3pm at that time)
Me: (I casually look at my watch) I don't live to far from here, I'd like to take you home with me?
Her: (giggling) I'm actually going to meet my boyfriend but thanks for the invite (She seemed sincere and was not just being sarcastic)
Me: (laughing) your boyfriend! Are you gonna tell him some guy hit on you?
Her: (just giggling)
Me: everyone needs a "back up plan" right?
Her: Thanks, but my guy is a good one.
Me: Ok, but we would have alot of fun.
Her: (smiling and looking at me) sorry but thanks for the invite

(at this point we came to a train station and i sensed that the moment was over. I didnt want to follow her into the train station but maybe i should have)?

GIRL# 2

(Same basic conversation as girl # 1)

except for this part:

I told her that all "undergrad" girls in college need a guy in "grad school' to "chill with" sometimes and "balance out their love lives" with all the "dum young dudes falling over beer bongs and throwing up". She laughed and said "ya maybe".

When i told her "i wanted to take her home with me", she "laughed", it was a "flirty laugh", i think she really thought about it, if we were at a club/bar i think she might have come with me. Just like the first girl she "thanked me for the invite", but said she was "going to eat with her roomates". I said "we should exchange numbers" and handed her my phone. She put in her number and we walked and chatted for another few steps before we came to a fork in the road and we parted ways . I think this one was promising. We'll see.

GIRL # 3

(same basic approach as above, but things moved much quicker, i didn't bullshit as much)

When i asked her "to come home with me", she said, "I'm okay", and put her head down. She really looked disgusted, She looked like she had lost her faith in men. I think i made her sick.

I went home smoked a j and had a few tacos.

My general thoughts about the "daytime AO" are:
-Logistics are very important during the day i think, catching them in a good spot and at the right time is key.
- Choosing the right target is key. All the girls I approached looked like fun loving girls.
-The "AO" is obviuosly best used late at night in a bar/club. I'm sure you guys knew that already.

It was a fun experiment. I will definately use it at night, especially away from home and on vacation, etc.

I know i didn't use the "AO" exactly as it written. I just sort of created a version of it and added it to my normal game.

Any thoughts, comments are appreciated. About the "AO" or my game in general. Thanks guys.

Post: #32

Giovonny,

Strong stuff. Another benefit of this tactic is it really sharpens your Game to a razor's edge.

I used to do this stuff more during the day when I was younger. I really need to get back to it.

Post: #33

Cool stuff! I'm sure your confidence level has gone up a bit more too. I had similar experiences as you did executing AO in Orlando, FL.


Based on my own expereince testing this, I think AO will have a high probability of success on 3 occassions:

1. Valentines parties! Find the dateless girls at the club without a Valentine Sat 2/13/10 (or a day before) and just AO like a madman!! Girls HATE being manless this day! Chances of her saying "fuck it, it's Valentines day" and taking up your offer are high! Hit the clubs this Valentines weekend and go crazy with AO.

2. Singles events! Speed dating meetups and such!

3. 1 hr window before last call for alcohol at any club! Use this last hour for AO only!!

I think these are the "sweet spots" that give AO its highest probability of success!

Comments?

Post: #34

(02-04-2010 03:45 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  she said, "I'm okay", and put her head down. She really looked disgusted, She looked like she had lost her faith in men. I think i made her sick.

I went home smoked a j and had a few tacos.

And that's precisely how you should handle that

Post: #35

Giovanny, interesting report and ballsy too, but that is not the AO! AO is too the point from the word go with absolutely no comfort building at all.

You: Hey, how you doing today

Her: Fine thanks, how are you

You: Not bad. So what are your plans for today

Her: Nothing/Not sure yet/Blah blah

You: Why dont you come home with me

Thats it. Thats the AO

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Everything else could actually be counter productive from what I understand.

Post: #36

(02-04-2010 07:38 PM)Whoremonger Wrote:  Everything else could actually be counter productive from what I understand.

Someone talked about Mode One in another thread, obvious correlation.

Post: #37

I can't claim my AOs have landed me a bang right away, like I am sure many have, but I got the bangs on later ocassions.
What I see with your report is that you dragged the conversations for too long and with too many short questions, you loose the surprise advantage this way, I think and gives them time to think too much.

What has landed me a bang on quite a few ocassions is that I open sets of 2-3 girls together, which seem to be really good friends, then I concentrate on the slutiest of them, then on the other 2 for a few minutes of chit chat, not more than 20mins, then I suddenly go right over talking about y threesome desires and since they are together as good friends, I will be a good boy and invite them to come over to share my fantasy...))

Believe it or not, 3some conversations with normal girls always result in them being curious about a guy mentioning it, although they will surely NOT come along for the trio.
More importantly than a trio is that you instantly are considered playful and ballsy to their eyes, then you can settle and concentrate on one of them and she will let you bang her.
I did that 2 weeks ago and a few times before.

AO ULTIMATE:
Ok, this is actually what a guy did to my best friend - female who I bang on ocassion and is über hot and a 10 of an ass -
we were in a big disco in Genf/Geneve/Geneva whatever you want to call it and she told me (i didn't notice it cuz I was busy) 1 guy on the other side of the bar, while she was buying drinks, exchanged eye contact with her and they both smiled. She came with the drinks, went dancing by herelf, then some friends (2 females more) and later she phones me to tell me she is not coming back home with me (i was staying with her that weekend) so I was fre to bring girls with me.
She told me next day that that guy with whom she exchanged eye connection, went directly to her, staring at her and when he finally arrived, he just kissed her in the mouth and grabbed her hand out of the club...

Now, that is AO where there are, no words, just a kiss, grab her hand and take her home...

FUnny thing is she said the guy was completely her type of man, but he had the tiniest penis she ever fucked hehe, condoms were problematic to keep, but anyway he was good in bed...go figure! a real Alpha guy with a tiny penis!

Post: #38

(02-04-2010 08:18 PM)LÉtranger Wrote:  

(02-04-2010 07:38 PM)Whoremonger Wrote:  Everything else could actually be counter productive from what I understand.

Someone talked about Mode One in another thread, obvious correlation.

Yeah mode one is essentially game with an apocalypse opener base. Good observation.

Post: #39

Next time i'm gonna do it right. Exactly the way the "AO" is written. What is the connection to "Mode One"? Can you guys breakdown the "AO"-"Mode One" relationship a little?

Post: #40

(02-05-2010 03:21 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Next time i'm gonna do it right. Exactly the way the "AO" is written. What is the connection to "Mode One"? Can you guys breakdown the "AO"-"Mode One" relationship a little?

From my understanding they are both the same thing. Mode One basically provides the intellectual framework for AO. It is a little more than just walking up to a chick in the club and telling her "let's go home together" or "Ma' let me hit that." IMHO the author articulated his philosophy with regards to Game very well. For example, he says that you should always be honest and straightforward about your true intentions and that women on a subconscious level have great respect for men who do that because that comes across as bold, strong and confident. Therefore, you would get the most positive reinforcement from women when you tell them things that they really want to hear but do not expect you to say it because you are afraid of insulting her. The only thing that I can say implementation wise would be different between Mode One and AO is that in Mode One the chick has to be initially attracted to you or at least not repulsed by you at first sight while AO from what's been described so far is more of a walking up to a chick totally at random without any IOI's whatsoever.

Post: #41

"Playa_with_a_passport" , Thanks, I'm gonna check out "Mode One". "Armanid27", I like your "sweet spots", your fucking crazy bro! email me if your ever in SF Bay Area.

Post: #42

Anybody ever do anymore work on this subject?

Post: #43

Super direct game like this is my speciality. I love it.
The key is that you have to be totally committed. You can't doubt yourself. You have to know 100% that she wants to sleep with you.

Post: #44

I'll commit to trying this for the last hour one night next week. Should be funny if nothing else.

One more potential venue where this might be a hit is hotel bars, specifically where you're hitting on girls who are staying there. If you change it to "come upstairs with me", and she's out of town alone and the logistics are a 90 second elevator trip, I bet you'll do pretty well.

Trick, I imagine, is to have enough people in the hotel bar to be able to play the numbers game with it a little.

Will try next time I travel.

Post: #45

Find this thread searching for openers to use tonight.Golden

Haha I'll try that and see what happens, maybe in Brazil the results may differ from what you guys had in the US.

Post: #46

(01-07-2012 06:35 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  Find this thread searching for openers to use tonight.Golden

Haha I'll try that and see what happens, maybe in Brazil the results may differ from what you guys had in the US.

When I was in Rio I tried basically this opener for a while one night. I'd say "Oi tudo bem," exchange a few words, then ask "voce quer ficar comigo?". Didn't get a bang from it but the reaction was overall positive. The most common response was for her to crack up and say "no, thanks" or ask a question. Your experience might be different since I'm sure some of what's going on is how ridiculous it sounds coming from a gringo.

In my mind the great strength of the AO isn't that it's a high-percentage play but that you find out where you stand so fast that it's possible to open literally dozens of girls in a night until you find one that bites. It's ideal for places with a high concentration of targets, preferably loud and crowded enough that her friends can't hear so she won't worry about looking like a slut.

Post: #47

I'm thinking a raves and big concerts are great venues for this type of Opener.

Post: #48

(01-07-2012 06:55 PM)MiXX Wrote:  I'm thinking a raves and big concerts are great venues for this type of Opener.

Yeah that pretty much has all the elements you're looking for. You'd think a girl who's rolling on a bunch of molly might be in the right impulsive state of mind to go for this kind of super-direct game too.

Post: #49

I think I can give it a try if I have enough free time this coming semester.

But, what is exactly this opener you are talking about? I only know its apocalypse related. Probably some 2012 opener or something like that?

EDIT: LOL. Never mind I think it has to do with the asking for secs in the first 30 secs

Post: #50

(01-07-2012 06:59 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  I think I can give it a try if I have enough free time this coming semester.

But, what is exactly this opener you are talking about? I only know its apocalypse related. Probably some 2012 opener or something like that?

It just means that you put a girl into "schock" FAST that it does not give her anytime to really rationalize your question, and surprisingly, go for it.

Nothing to do with 2012, but, you can certainly put that twist into the opener if you think it will work in your favor.

The rule is simple: Less is more.

An AO should be no more than a small introduction, and maybe a few verbal sentences exchanged between you and your target before you flat out ask her for sex/intimacy in 60 seconds (or less) of your interaction with her.


I have NEVER been able to pull this off, but surprisingly, no girl has EVER slapped me or gotten angry with me for asking fr sex in less than 60 seconds of meeting her. They certainly get mad/violent the more time you give her.

Mixx