Post: #726

(06-28-2013 04:38 AM)slubu Wrote:  It's going to be so hard for me to go back from EE though. Last night I met an 18yo and she asked how old I was, I was a bit drunk and reverted to LA mode and said 29. She lit up, said "Ohhhh! I love older men!" This happened last week again with another 18yo I was on a date with. She thought I was 22 when I told her I was 32 she got a lot more touchy after that. God bless this country.

Dating girls 20 years or even 30 years younger is one of the great joys of FSU. I have never been anywhere else where it is both socially acceptable and possible for a (well-maintened) 50 years old guy like me to meet and screw 20-25 years old girls ranging from cute to hot on a regular basis.

Post: #727

Wait till Gio gets slapped with a few $185 jaywalking tickets while daygaming.

It will be interesting to get his take then.

Those things can really mess up someones "cost per notch".

Post: #728

My jaywalking tickets was over 185 dollars. More like 205. FML. I walked on a green light, but w/out a green walk sign.

Post: #729

Jaywalking tickets? That is absolutely crazy. I always thought this was a myth.

Post: #730

(06-28-2013 05:25 AM)Vicious Wrote:  I hear what you guys are saying with regard to network. What I gather from this is that the hotter babes are not going to get with you unless they see you as someone that can increase their perceived social standing.

Coming into town as an outsider with no network to speak of, how would you play it?

I remember someone on the boards talking about restaurant game. About hitting on that hot waitress or hostess (and there are many in this city). They said something like, "Don't bother with excessive tipping or buying expensive items. Waitresses get hit on by alpha dogs of the highest order: billionaires and playboy types. She'll give out her number to them, flake when they call, and wind up screwing the busboy instead."

This is 100% true. Network doesn't always involve being in a position of power, although I can pretty much guarantee noone in this town is getting as much hot pussy as a casting director. You could be a busboy that works at a restaurant with lots of hot servers and wind up banging most of them. It's very incestuous here.

Post: #731

(06-28-2013 10:22 AM)DVY Wrote:  My jaywalking tickets was over 185 dollars. More like 205. FML. I walked on a green light, but w/out a green walk sign.

Yeah, mine might have been over $200 as well.

Post: #732

(06-28-2013 04:38 AM)slubu Wrote:  Gio, well said. Can't really argue with that logic. Daygame will be my final frontier. However UCLA is mostly Asians, I think anyways.

UCLA is only about 35% Asian. It's also about 35% White if you include the White international students and White Hispanics.

http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/campusprofile.htm

This means that about 1/3 girls at UCLA are white.

That means there is somewhere between 10,000-15,000 young Whites girls at UCLA every week.

10,000 - 15,000 young, White girls!

Why guys are not trying to tap into this market, I have no idea?

But, I will be honest, gaming on a college campus is not easy, it's not for everyone.

I act like anybody can just walk into a university and pull a cute 18yo. I know its not that easy. But, then again, how easy is it for the average guy to pull a cute, young girl from the night life?

Either way, it's gonna be tough for the average guy with an average game plan.

LA is tough for the average guy without a good niche.

I don't expect you to game on campus. For you, Seeking Arrangement game might be more fruitful. No shame in that, at all.

I would love to see you pull a few more young, White girls in LA in a simple, efficient manner.

Thats why I am in this thread, helping LA find new strategies.

Moving out of LA might be the best strategy for many guys.

(06-28-2013 04:38 AM)slubu Wrote:  Last night I met an 18yo and she asked how old I was, I was a bit drunk and reverted to LA mode and said 29. She lit up, said "Ohhhh! I love older men!"

18 year olds who love older men!

I sure this is more common in EE then here in America.

I do meet 18yo's like that sometimes, but it can be rare.

This one was beautiful. Latina and very similar to the Latina we met at San Francisco City College.

Full story here:

/thread-14257-...#pid316026

(06-28-2013 04:38 AM)slubu Wrote:  I think I'm just more of a city guy.

I encourage you to get the fuck out of LA.

Find a place that is a better match for your style.

I hope you stay in the Ukraine or some other place that is easier.

Post: #733

(06-28-2013 07:44 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Wait till Gio gets slapped with a few $185 jaywalking tickets while daygaming.

It will be interesting to get his take then.

Those things can really mess up someones "cost per notch".

I'm not big on "cost per notch". I don't think we should be paying too much for pussy.

Not in time, cash, nor energy.

I would like to see more discussion on "Pay per Notch".

Meaning, how much can we make from banging girls.

I think having game means being able to get pussy ON OUR TERMS.

Have the girl travel to us, have the girl bring food for us, have her buy the alcohol, have her pay for the drugs.

Why are we always the one who has to pay?!

The better my game gets, the more I am moving in this direction.

I know, it's unrealistic for most guys, but, this is my vision for the future.

I have already passed on a few girls because I was not willing to travel to them. And, more and more, I'm having girls drive and pay for food/drinks.

The better my game gets, the more it's "My Way or The Highway".

If I got a $185 jaywalking ticket I might go Sinoloa Cartel and blow up the fucking police station! That would drive me crazy.

(06-28-2013 10:44 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  You could be a busboy that works at a restaurant with lots of hot servers and wind up banging most of them. It's very incestuous here.

Busboys can bang hot servers?!?

What about chefs? Can't chefs bang hot servers too?

How are you doing with hot servers?

Post: #734

All this talk of daygame at college campuses ignores one big thing: what if you work during the day? When I lived in LA, I worked a salary job. I would go in at 8:30am and get out at 5:30pm at the earliest. Often I wouldn't get out until around 6:00pm or later. That doesn't leave much time for daygame, except on weekends. There really isn't a way around this because LA is just too damn expensive to work freelance. If I had worked a freelance job in LA that would provide more free time during the day, then I would have had trouble paying rent because freelance work pays less. Plus, it would be tough to live in a convenient hood since anywhere desirable to live costs a lot.

Gotta paraphrase what G-man has said many times: anywhere where daygame is touted as the solution must have a crappy nightlife scene.

Post: #735

Gio, let me clarify....big difference between being a "cook" and a "chef". A cook is the guy cooking your food, be in the salad guy, grill guy, whatever. The chef is the guy running the show. Cooks are considered "line level" employees, just like servers, bartenders, etc. These can run off and fuck whoever they want. When I was a cook I was getting more play than I am now. A chef is considered a manager, and can only fuck other managers, who are usually actual restaurant professionals, not part-time actresses/models. They're usually not attractive.

This isn't the law, but it is company policy at 95% of restaurants out there. Sure, chefs fuck the occasional line level employee, and they often get fired for it too. There's too much of a power dynamic there, so it's all too easy for the line level employee, let's say they get fired, they can come back and say, "Well, the chef coerced me to have sex with him for job advancement." It's total bullshit, but courts have no clue how restaurants work and they always take the plaintiff's side.

So if I have sex with a line level employee, a waitress or hostess, it's seen as putting the company at a HUGE liability for a lawsuit, so many of them will terminate you on the spot if they find out (and they usually do once the girl you're fucking tells half the floor staff)

Keep in mind, of course you still have to have game. Most line cooks, and chefs for that matter, are weird, antisocial shut-ins. I used to be. But when I was a line cook it got to the point where there would be a hot server, a solid 8, that would tell the head chef, "I think I have a little crush on your grill cook" (which was me) and he'd tell me what she said. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

If I was purely interested in fucking the hottest servers in the city, I'd go back to being a line cook and get a job with SBE, working at Katsuya, Cleo, or Mercato di Vetro. I'd be making 15 bucks an hour and acting like a savage until I got fired.

From what I understand, this nonsense I've described only pertains to L.A. I've got some friends that work in NY and they tell me it's an absolute fuck-fest. Chefs can bang whoever they want without any fear of repurcussions, to a certain extent. (There was a famous orgy that went down in one of Batali's joints...something like 5-6 employees getting it on in the dining room after hours with coke, booze, etc... that's taking it a little far and they were all fired)

Post: #736

(06-28-2013 11:28 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 04:38 AM)slubu Wrote:  Gio, well said. Can't really argue with that logic. Daygame will be my final frontier. However UCLA is mostly Asians, I think anyways.

UCLA is only about 35% Asian. It's also about 35% White if you include the White international students and White Hispanics.

http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/campusprofile.htm

That link says 29% white (8,115).

Also, that is total enrollment of both guys and girls, so only about half of those are girls, bringing the total number of white girls at UCLA to 4,058 (8,115/2)

Plus, you are making a big leap including Hispanic chicks there as white since most of them are not, and you are also making a big leap counting international students as white since a lot of the international students there are Asian.

Post: #737

(06-28-2013 11:59 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  From what I understand, this nonsense I've described only pertains to L.A. I've got some friends that work in NY and they tell me it's an absolute fuck-fest. Chefs can bang whoever they want without any fear of repurcussions, to a certain extent. (There was a famous orgy that went down in one of Batali's joints...something like 5-6 employees getting it on in the dining room after hours with coke, booze, etc... that's taking it a little far and they were all fired)

Classic.

Police State?

The other problem with "swooping the waitresses" is you are "swooping your co-workers".

The general problems, headaches, drama, issues, nightmares of that move have been discussed ad-nauseum.

(06-28-2013 11:56 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  All this talk of daygame at college campuses ignores one big thing: what if you work during day? When I lived in LA, I worked a salary job. I would go in at 8:30am and get out at 5:30pm at the earliest. Often I wouldn't get out until around 6:00pm or later. That doesn't leave much time for daygame, except on weekends. There really isn't a way around this because LA is just too damn expensive to work freelance. If I had worked a freelance job in LA that would provide more free time during the day, then I would have had trouble paying rent because freelance work pays less. Plus, it would be tough to live in a convenient hood since anywhere desirable to live costs a lot.

Gotta paraphrase what G-man has said many times: anywhere where daygame is touted as the solution must have a crappy nightlife scene.

Yeah, I mentioned that.

"Daygame" is not really a solution for most guys.

Especially when they hurry out of the office, get a speeding ticket on the way to UCLA and then get slapped with a big $245 jaywalking ticket because they saw a single girl in UGG boots across the street.

Hell, it is probably easier and less expensive to just learn Russian and fly to the suburbs of a Tier 15 city in Ukraine.

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The funniest thing about this thread is that the standard bearer for LA is Gio, a guy from SF who spent a weekend in Orange County.

This thread is proof that California guys are laid back.

If someone came on the DC threads claiming DC was easy after a weekend in Philly, he would get attacked from all sides.

If someone came on the Toronto threads claiming Toronto was easy after a weekend in Montreal, he would feel like he was being attacked by 1000 killer bees.

Post: #738

(06-28-2013 11:59 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  From what I understand, this nonsense I've described only pertains to L.A. I've got some friends that work in NY and they tell me it's an absolute fuck-fest. Chefs can bang whoever they want without any fear of repurcussions, to a certain extent. (There was a famous orgy that went down in one of Batali's joints...something like 5-6 employees getting it on in the dining room after hours with coke, booze, etc... that's taking it a little far and they were all fired)

Why are you in LA? What happened to that Singapore thing? Move to NYC! I appreciate the plus factors that people have listed up-thread about weather, Vegas, attitude, etc.

Post: #739

(06-28-2013 10:44 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I remember someone on the boards talking about restaurant game. About hitting on that hot waitress or hostess (and there are many in this city). They said something like, "Don't bother with excessive tipping or buying expensive items. Waitresses get hit on by alpha dogs of the highest order: billionaires and playboy types. She'll give out her number to them, flake when they call, and wind up screwing the busboy instead."

This is 100% true. Network doesn't always involve being in a position of power, although I can pretty much guarantee noone in this town is getting as much hot pussy as a casting director. You could be a busboy that works at a restaurant with lots of hot servers and wind up banging most of them. It's very incestuous here.

Understood, but regardless the original question remains unanswered. How would you play it without the network? The busboy is just utilizing his.

Post: #740

(06-28-2013 12:09 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  The funniest thing about this thread is that the standard bearer for LA is Gio, a guy from SF who spent a weekend in Orange County.

This thread is proof that California guys are laid back.

If someone came on the DC threads claiming DC was easy after a weekend in Philly, he would get attacked from all sides.

If someone came on the Toronto threads claiming Toronto was easy after a weekend in Montreal, he would feel like he was being attacked by 1000 killer bees.

I'm confused about this, if Giovanny lives up in the bay and spent a short stint in orange county, how much time could you have spent day gaming at UCLA? I'm not trying to call you out, maybe I'm just missing some key facts here.

Post: #741

(06-28-2013 11:56 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  All this talk of daygame at college campuses ignores one big thing: what if you work during the day?

I work til 3pm and hit the campuses from 3-5pm.

Other days, I work 3-8pm, so I hit the campus for lunch.

If you work 8am-6pm, you have bigger problems then pussy. You have no free time.

If I worked those hours, I would hit the college area hard on Saturday.

Also, you don't have to go to the college during the day. There is a Whole Foods and Trader Joes very close to UCLA. I'm sure the whole WestWood area is crawling with students 24 hours a day.

Gaming a college campus doesn't just mean going to the library at 12 noon on a Tuesday.

It also means going to the stores that the students shop at, going to the cafes that the students get coffee from, going to the restaurants where students eat, going to the gyms where students workout, going to the malls where they hang out.

You don't just work the campus, you work the entire neighborhood around the campus where students live and play.

This can be done in the early evening, at night, and on weekends.

But, honestly, working 10 hours a day is slavery to me.

I admit, day game is not for everyone. Its has to fit your lifestyle and work schedule.

I changed my work schedule to allow for it. But, I believe in "work to live rather than live to work".

I'm sure you are in a higher tax bracket than me so it's all relative to what we want in life.

(06-28-2013 12:00 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  the total number of white girls at UCLA to 4,058 (8,115/2)

Opps, did I read that wrong..?

Okay, there is only 4000 young white girls at UCLA.

But, this is only undergrad. Throw in another thousand or 2 in grad school.

Plus, lets be honest, many of the "hispanics" are basically White people with a Spanish last name. People like Mark Sanchez, Mario Lopez, Demi Lovato, Jessica Alba, etc. They call themselves "Hispanic" because it makes it easier to get into school.

Often times, they are half hispanic and half white.

And, the international students who come from Europe.

So, we are talking about at least 5,000 or 6,000 whites girls if not more. Not even counting the Asians and Latinas.

You only need to find one who likes you.

Post: #742

(06-28-2013 11:59 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  So if I have sex with a line level employee, a waitress or hostess, it's seen as putting the company at a HUGE liability for a lawsuit

A chef can not fuck a waitress!!!

What a nightmare.

What is the world coming to?!?!?

I'm disgusted.

(06-28-2013 11:59 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I've got some friends that work in NY and they tell me it's an absolute fuck-fest.

Why are you still in LA again?

(06-28-2013 12:09 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  "Daygame" is not really a solution for most guys.

I never said it was a "solution".

I only offer my perspective and experience to help LA guys get some fresh ideas.

How many guys are gaming at UCLA?

None.

I am trying to inspire someone to tap into that market.

We are talking about over 5,000 young, White girls.

And, thousands more Asians and Latinas.

No one wants to try?

They complain about how hard LA is. So, I offer a new strategy to consider. A strategy that involves thousands of young girls all in the same place.

Its a market with 10,000 plus young girls. Why not try?

Guys will fly have halfway around the world looking for young pussy but they are hesitant to walk over to their local university?

Post: #743

^ I do want to say one thing to Gio your day game/large approach strategy is on a completely different level.

I have taken a few guys out to night game and they can barely muster the courage to spit a "hello" after 2 drinks in them.

Comparing yourself to average people in terms of day game results is a bit nonsensical.

Meeting regular people and well repped people on the forum is night and day. For example if you and DVY hung out for 48hrs, I guarantee you guys will fare 100000x better than 2 average dudes going out to day game in UCLA. People on here, that are higher up the totem pole, will likely benefit from your strategy on UCLA but average dudes are going to get absolutely smoked.

Average guy gets "down on himself" when a cute girl turns him down. Average guy cannot get rejected 100 times straight and look at himself in the mirror and not give a shit. I think you're at a point where you're almost confused by such a reaction which is a normal one when you start out in the game

That breaking point is much lower for newbies. Once you really have no problems with rejection then your strategy works very well. Ridding all impact from all women is tough to do for most guys. 99% will never get to the point where they can go 0/100 and still hold their head up high.

You can tell based on posts here as well, if you have a slight nagging when you get turned down by any chick or "excited" you're really not there yet. You're well beyond that level so your fearlessness is simply 1000x higher than everyone else. Hell I do just fine, but your level is literally 10-20x mine, that's just the truth.

Post: #744

Also, I'm not claiming that I have great game. I don't.

I'm just claiming that UCLA, USC, LMU, and Long Beach State are untapped markets that LA guys should consider tapping into.

Especially since most people are unhappy with the LA nightlife.

Post: #745

^ I'm saying you do have strong game, this is clear from the read between the lines. You always say

"I know this is random but..."

You do this because your day game is almost "too smooth" this is similar to night game when I get and many other guys get "I know you're a player" in the morning.

So that's about the only rebuttal I've got I think the new guys won't benefit from the day game strategy as much as the vets would simply on the basis of relative fearlessness/confidence

Post: #746

(06-28-2013 10:44 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I can pretty much guarantee noone in this town is getting as much hot pussy as a casting director.

I don't doubt it happens but I thought this was mostly a myth given how women are these days with sexual harassment and all.

Can you share some stories? What are the casting director's moves in his 'casting couch' game? Or does it not even need to get into the casting couch, just him saying he's a casting director and these girls/women come over to his place and drop their panties?

Post: #747

Anyone successful in doing Seeking Arrangement game in LA, specifically around UCLA?

Post: #748

(06-28-2013 01:56 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  I do want to say one thing to Gio your day game/large approach strategy is on a completely different level.

I know. Many guys do not even want to believe what I'm saying.

Many guys don't think its possible.

Many guys don't "see the matrix"

10,000 young girls in a 5 block radius.

They should be running over here.

My advice goes against most conventional wisdom.

This is a paradigm shift.

(06-28-2013 01:56 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Comparing yourself to average people in terms of day game results is a bit nonsensical.

I know. I can't help but to offer my perspective.

What I do is something that 99% of guys are unwilling to do.

Most will not even try.

(06-28-2013 01:56 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  Average guy cannot get rejected 100 times straight and look at himself in the mirror and not give a shit. I think you're at a point where you're almost confused by such a reaction

Lol!

I am at the point where if a girl rejects me I feel bad for her because she doesn't get it. She doesn't want to enjoy life.

But, that sounds cocky.

I am just a regular guy who approaches a lot of young girls.

(06-28-2013 01:56 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  your fearlessness is simply 1000x higher than everyone else.

Yes, this is the key to life.

This is what I preach.

Conquer your fears.

Lets be honest, at the root, FEAR is what holds guys back from trying my strategy.

Fear of rejection and fear of the unknown.

****

Gotta go to work, see you guys later!

Get out there and approach a girl on your lunch break, its 12 noon, west coast time!

Post: #749

(06-28-2013 12:56 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 10:44 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I remember someone on the boards talking about restaurant game. About hitting on that hot waitress or hostess (and there are many in this city). They said something like, "Don't bother with excessive tipping or buying expensive items. Waitresses get hit on by alpha dogs of the highest order: billionaires and playboy types. She'll give out her number to them, flake when they call, and wind up screwing the busboy instead."

This is 100% true. Network doesn't always involve being in a position of power, although I can pretty much guarantee noone in this town is getting as much hot pussy as a casting director. You could be a busboy that works at a restaurant with lots of hot servers and wind up banging most of them. It's very incestuous here.

Understood, but regardless the original question remains unanswered. How would you play it without the network? The busboy is just utilizing his.

What I meant to illustrate with that is the fact that building a network doesn't have to be complicated or take time. It could be as easy as taking a busboy position. I think when some guys hear about networking, they instantly think of the time and effort it's going to take, when it's not always about building a network, it's simply being in the right place at the right time.

Gaming girls out of network is just cold approaching like anywhere else. You could pull some douchebag move and start blowing yourself up to be some studio executive but I think the best thing you can do is the old fashioned way of letting your coolness come out naturally. There are some old fashioned PUA moves that will always be relevant: talk about your job and hobbies in sensory terms, not logical. Bring up recent travel. Talk about relationships and emotions, etc.

Post: #750

(06-28-2013 12:41 PM)Menace Wrote:  

(06-28-2013 11:59 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  From what I understand, this nonsense I've described only pertains to L.A. I've got some friends that work in NY and they tell me it's an absolute fuck-fest. Chefs can bang whoever they want without any fear of repurcussions, to a certain extent. (There was a famous orgy that went down in one of Batali's joints...something like 5-6 employees getting it on in the dining room after hours with coke, booze, etc... that's taking it a little far and they were all fired)

Why are you in LA? What happened to that Singapore thing? Move to NYC! I appreciate the plus factors that people have listed up-thread about weather, Vegas, attitude, etc.

Because I'm comfortable and not as sex-crazed as some guys here. Despite any bitching on my part about banging girls here...I think I'm happier overall here than I would be in NY. I do want to live/work abroad at some point but that singapore job fell through.

Without getting into the specifics, I have a very, very sweet job that doesn't come around too often. I'm not ready to leave it quite yet.

This is a bit of a derail but I wanted to followup about that girl that I talked to on the rooftop. I texted her that night, "Hey it's thedude. Good meeting you tonight." No logistics, no setup for future date, nothing else on my part. For a while the first text I was sending girls was "Hey it's the dude how about drinks later this week" but I realized it was coming off too needy/pressuring. My best results come from "less is more".

No reply. Okay, fine. It's happened a million times, gaming girls at work isn't going to be any different.

Well, check this out: she emailed our sales director thanking her for a great night, the food, cocktails, etc. They exchanged a few emails, my name came up, and this girl said I was cute, and I quote: (this is verbatim from the email, I took a pic from the sale's directors computer)

"...it was hilarious because we were just talking about the lack of initiation and etiquette with socal guys, and then this one comes in and pretty much proved us wrong."

That's referring to me. And she didn't reply to my text. Seems a bit ironic, acknowledging that I initiated and had etiquette with her, and she on the other hand...

Anyway, I'll send a restart text in a week but just another number in the pile...