Post: #626

(06-10-2013 03:05 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I'm in LA now. The women are very, very, good. Hot girls are EVERYWHERE! All types of girls.

Guys complain a lot about logistics. I can see that being a problem with everything being so spread out. But, with this amount of girls and the density of population, there is no excuse not to do well here.

I don't think anyone has ever said that there aren't hot girls in LA.

My point, which still stands, is that if you put equal effort into Miami Beach, Miami, Las Vegas, NYC or LA, you will do much better than the other cities than LA.

You mention "density of population", the other ones are way more dense than LA.

An hour jog in LA one will maybe see 2 hot girls. An equal jog in Miami Beach one will see 4-12 hot girls (from probably 6 different nationalities).

It is just no comparison.

And don't get me started on a nightlife comparison between LA and the other cities.

That is like comparing a one armed skinny retarted gay kid to a in his prime Mike Tyson.





Then factor in the poor ratios of the west coast, sh*tty logistics, sh*tty nightlife, Police State closing times, Police state drinking and smoking laws, high competition, male aggression (due to the above) and LA is obsolete as an "A Grade" place to swoop.

In all honestly it is probably "C Grade" in America.

Post: #627

The issue of access in L.A. is a matter of being up-to-date with what's hot at the moment, which can last anywhere from a week to 3 months at most. And then having an "in" with what's hot.

Last night I met, no joke, one of the hottest girls in my entire life. Her bf was there but I was flirting like mad with her. She's a cocktail server at a bar my buddy manages. When she and her bf were out of earshot I told my buddy, "Dude, this chick is smoking." He says, "That's nothing. You should see our other servers and the rest of the girls coming into the bar right now." I haven't been to his bar in a while but when I used to go it was a quiet, classy joint that the rich owners used as their personal hangout. They decided to get a crowd going so they hired some promoters on the westside to run parties on the weekend. Apparently it's gotten pretty big, line of 100 people out the door, smoking hot chicks, typical shark tank with rich fuckers dropping bank on liters of goose...gonna check it out tomorrow. Gonna grab the hottest girl in line and take her to the front so my buddy can let us in and comp my drinks all night long.

Post: #628

Well, I went. Typical shark tank.

And I mean Great Whites. I'm not a bad looking guy, 6'2", okay I wasn't dressed to the 9s, but jesus christ, the female talent was just pretty good, but I'd say there was a 3:1 ratio guys to girls. I felt short last night. I can't count how many dudes were significantly taller than me, bulkier, more chiseled, more money, etc. It was ridiculous. I'm down to head back since I got in for free and got my drinks comped all night, but I need to bring bigger guns. It's also hard for me to roll dolo in super crowded environments like that, so I need a wingman if anyone wants to roll with me.

Approached a few girls, but the clique factor is insane. I'd be talking to a girl and she'd be giving me half her attention, and then see some guy she knows and run up and hug him and that's that.

There IS such thing as social circle game because that's all I saw last night. It was like the most attractive upper crust of Santa Monica was all in the venue and everyone knew each other. I'd see a group of 2-3 girls and go up and talk to them but they were there to meet more people and wouldn't give me the time of day. I've been to Bungalow a few times and this was significantly tougher than that, I think mostly because of how the place is laid out, there's no big wide open spaces like at Bungalow.

I was gonna wait to buy a custom suit until I recover from my europe trip, but I might have to head over to Barney's sooner than later...

Post: #629

Get Gmanifesto to roll with you.

Post: #630

Just got home from SoCal..

I love LA! So many fucking girls!

So many different neighborhoods with so many different types of girls! Latinas, Asians, Whites, rich, poor, middle class, etc., etc. They are all here. Every type of girl for every type of game. So many different niches.

Game is a numbers game. More girls = More opportunities. LA has huge numbers. I just checked the population..

LA has around 4 million. My home of San Francisco has less then 1 million. To me, that means about 4x more girls to work with.

LA is the 2nd most populated city in America. NYC is #1. We all know that NYC is the best place in America for singles. What city is #2. LA has to be top 3. What city could be better? Miami, Vegas, ???

This place is really good, BUT, LOGISTICS ARE EVERYTHING!!!

In LA, logistics is game and game is logistics! I can't stress this enough.

I have stayed with friends in Fullerton, Newport Beach, Santa Ana, Santa Monica and Riverside. All different types of girls. All have been friendly. A bunch of numbers, a few dates, and 2 notches.

I will post my thoughts..

(06-11-2013 12:50 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Welcome to LA Gio!

Now let's see you start bangin' these chicks...

If it's easy for you and you've got pussy falling in your lap, well, then we need to hang out

I would never say its easy, but, I will say this, in my opinion, this is one of the best places I have ever been to in terms of girls. There are just soooo many of them! Every little city and town has a different type of girl and they all look good.

Remember that I am from San Francisco. Everyone says that SF sucks for girls. Now, I know why they say that. SF does suck for girls. There are so many more cuties down here. They girls dress way better and are way more sexy and feminine.

Game is a numbers game and the numbers here are really high.

Sorry I wasn't able to contact you, I was busy spending time with family and friends.

(06-11-2013 03:08 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Yeah, when I hear people say things like "There are so many hot girls in LA, there's no excuses", I want to know if YOU are banging these hot girls that you're oogling.

Banged 2 girls, stories are upcoming.

I don't oogle over girls. In fact, I have trained myself to have no emotional reaction to hot chicks.

When I see a hottie, I don't get too excited. I only think about the methods and strategies that I will use to try and get her.

(06-11-2013 03:08 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  And if so, please drop some intel.

What worked for me is this:

Stay in areas that are densely populated with cute girls. You want to have many, many options in your own neighborhood. You don't want to be driving around looking for girls and doing dates. This means that you should live near a major university or near a major nightlife area or preferably, both!

Eliminate the driving! Or, keep it to a minimum.

Dont travel more then 5-10 miles for a girl. It's not worth it.

The freeways in LA are soul crushing. I avoid them at all costs.

Basically, only date girls that live in your neighborhood. This means you should live in a neighborhood with lots of girls and you might have to move every other year or so.

That might sound crazy but LA is a crazy place so you need a crazy strategy.

A "normal" strategy will not work in LA. You have to find your "niche bitches", you have to day game. This place is a different animal.

(06-11-2013 03:08 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  we know this place is fucked.

You suggest that LA is "fucked". This is your perspective, based on your experience.

Everyone has a different perspective based on their own personal experience.

Guys getting quality pussy probably have a different perspective then yours.

I'm sure LA is fucked up in some ways and good in other ways. Just like everywhere.

My perspective is this -- I like LA, I think the girls are very good here. They were warm and receptive to me.

Developing an efficient strategy is key. Location is everything. If I moved to LA, the first thing I would do is get a centrally located apartment near some hotspots. Probably near UCLA or Long Beach State.

(06-20-2013 01:45 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I don't think anyone has ever said that there aren't hot girls in LA.

We all know there are many, many hot girls in LA. 

Guys complain about how difficult it is to get them.

This is where I disagree. I don't think LA is that difficult. With the sheer amount of girls in LA, and the wide variety of niches and fishbowls, most guys should be able to get some results. I think the guys who complain just need to a better gameplan.

LA is all about finding and living in the right "FishBowl".

I wrote that post about San Francisco but its even more important in LA.

Don't try to compete with sharks!

Funny that thedude just posted about going to a "shark tank"

(06-22-2013 12:47 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Typical shark tank.

And I mean Great Whites.

I would avoid these types of places.

GO WHERE YOU HAVE AN ADVANTAGE, AVOID PLACES WHERE YOU ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE!

If you are a White guy that likes Latinas, LA is a gold mine. I met so many cute Latinas during the day that I lost count.

Don't you work in the restaurant business? Isn't there a alot of young waitresses that are in college? I would focus on these girls.

(06-20-2013 01:45 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  My point, which still stands, is that if you put equal effort into Miami Beach, Miami, Las Vegas, NYC or LA, you will do much better than the other cities than LA.

I agree. NYC, Miami, and Vegas are easier. 

LA is still in the top 5 for American cities. 

What sucks about LA is not the girls, its the layout, things are so spread out that it makes things difficult. 

It's a unique problem that requires a unique solution. 

Also, keep in mind that I don't go out at night so my experiences are all based on day game, afternoon game, and early evening game.

(06-20-2013 01:45 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  You mention "density of population", the other ones are way more dense than LA.

I'm starting to think that I should move to New York. 

Just being able to walk around and game girls is what attracts me.

Thats my style, walk to the store -- game girls, walk to the gym -- game girls, take the subway to work -- game girls, walk to the park --game girls, walk to get something to eat -- game girls. Got a date? Walk to a little restaurant. Time to bang? Walk home.

(06-20-2013 01:45 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  An hour jog in LA one will maybe see 2 hot girls.  An equal jog in Miami Beach one will see 4-12 hot girls (from probably 6 different nationalities).

It is just no comparison.

I'm not suggesting that LA has better quality then Miami.  

I'm saying that LA has tons of hot girls and if you can't get laid in LA you need to upgrade your approach. 

The girls are here. We have to develope a system of traps and filters in order to catch them.

I think, more then any other city in America, where you live, is the key to your game.

(06-20-2013 01:45 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  And don't get me started on a nightlife comparison between LA and the other cities.

I didn't do any nightlife so I can't comment. 

I trust you on this matter. 

I'm sure the nightlife is better in other cities.

I will say this, LA is good for day game.

(06-20-2013 01:45 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  In all honestly it is probably "C Grade" in America.

C'mon! 

"C Grade"!?!?

What cities in America are better? NYC, Miami, Vegas.

Vegas is only better in terms of getting one night stands in hotels. I wouldn't want to live in Vegas.

Keep in mind that I was a tourist in LA for 2 weeks. I'm sure I'm off on a few things. These are just my honest observations.

I expect you guys to challenge some of my points and I welcome that. I honestly feel like I can help the LA guys get more results.

When guys talk about sitting on the 405 freeway for an hour at 2am I get sick to my stomach.

Also, when I go into a new situation, I don't see problems, I see solutions.

Lets discuss..

Post: #631

Let's hear about your bangs first

And let me add that I agree that L.A. is a daygame city. The same 8s and 9s that I see in clubs that are nearly impossible to seduce are the same girls I see in line at the coffee shop the next day. My problem is I work 5 days out of the week and usually make plans on my days off. It's maybe 1-2 days out of the month that I'm sitting around during the day with enough time that I can go out purely for the sake of gaming girls.

Those are my own work logistics. Since I'm a chef now I can't fuck subordinates or I get fired. I've said it before: the hottest girls I've ever banged were before I'd heard of Roosh or PUA or had any game whatsoever. I was a line cook and fucking hostesses and waitresses. It was literally as easy as getting a few drinks after work and that was that. It was incredibly incestuous and cliquey and requires zero game whatsoever.

But I can definitely see day game working well here. It's something I might have to consider...if I roll into work at 11-12, I gotta develop Early Morning Game (should I trademark that?)

Post: #632

Another thing I should add is when I'm bitching about getting girls here, it's because I'm chasing after 8s and 9s. I hate to be "that guy" that keeps romanticizing his recent Europe trip, but when you've had 8s in Paris giving you their complete attention and are receptive to you, it makes things back home seem a bit shittier by comparison. At the end of the day it's all about how much work you want to put in, and in L.A. it happens to be quite a bit.

Post: #633

My 2 bangs:

My friend and I went to the hot tub at his condo. My buddy's condo complex is near Cal State-Fullerton.

I am in the hot tub when I see a cutie entering the pool area with her little sister. I play it cool and don't make eye contact. I am playing with my friends baby on the edge of the tub. Both girls enter the tub. I just say -- "hey, hows it going", with a slight smile and turn back to the baby. I literally turn my back to the girls because I know they are looking at the baby.

The baby is staring at the girls. The little girl starts playing peek-a-boo with the baby. The baby is laughing. I like how this is playing out. I turn around slowly and just sort of smile -- "I gotta hire you as a babysitter", I say to the little sister who is like 10 years old.

The conversation starts:

lil sis: haha, she is so cute
me: isn't she beautiful
big sis: how old is she?
me: 10 months, I think

Blah, blah, blah..

We chat for a while. I pretend to be more concerned with the baby. But, really, I am just being patient and letting the baby get them comfortable. I tell the older sister that I am visiting from San Francisco. She gets excited and tells me how she loves SF. I go into my San Francisco game and start talking about how SF is mysterious and crazy and more free spirited. Things are going well.

My friend and I are talking basketball. She says likes it. My friend says something to me in Spanish. She gets excited again. She says she used to take advanced spanish and she was the "only white girl in her school that can speak spanish". Now, I know I have a chance. She is showing signs of interest.

We chat, we chill. I ask her if she smokes weed. She says yes. I visualize my plan in my head. I will invite her over to smoke and watch the game.

We hang in the tub for another few minutes and then they get up to go. I have to make my move..

me: nice meeting you
her: you too
me: do you wanna exchange numbers or something, maybe smoke and watch the game on thursday?
her: umm, ya, sure

I text her 2 days later on game day..

me: hey its gio, what are you doing later, wanna try my new vaporizer and watch the game?
her: hi gio, i won't be home til later, wanna meet in the hot tub again?
me: sounds good, text me later

She texts me around 8:30. The game has just ended.

her: ready to get in the hot tub
me: ya, wanna smoke first?
her: ya where?
me: can i bring my vaporizer over to your place.
her: ok

She lives on the other side of the complex. 3 minute walk.

We smoke, we go to the hot tub. I go back to my buddys and get a few beers. Things are going great.

After 30 minutes or so we are ready to get out. I want to go back to her place. I ask her if she has any bottled water and her place. She says yes. Her place is like 50 feet from the hot tub. We go to her place and I have another beer and some water.

She gives me the tour, when we get to her room, I go for the make out. It's on. She asks me if I have a condom. I say -- "no, do you". She says she will get one from the bathroom. Bang! I was back at my boys place by 11pm ready for sportscenter.

I think that, because I'm a tourist from out of town -- I didn't count. I try to present myself like that, I'm just a carefree tourist from SF, banging me doesn't really count!

*****

#2

My aunt and uncle are renting a place in Newport Beach. It's a beach house with 3 studio apartments. My family had 2 of the studios and the 3rd is being rented by a cute half asian/half white girls from Virginia. I love the Asian/White mix!

The 1st day, I just ignored her.

The 2nd day, my aunt introduced us but we didn't say too much.

Later that day, she got a delivery of a new mattress, I saw the delivery guys bringing it in. I sensed an opportunity. I went out and helped the delivery guys. We walked the mattress back to her place. I knocked on the door and said "special delivery". We chatted a little.

The 3rd day, she saw me as I was getting out of the shower. I had a towel around my waist. I had just finished working out. I have been working out hard and I'm in good shape.

She got talkative with me.

"are you going to the beach today"

"i'm not sure yet"

I could see the look in her eye. We were attracted to each other. I knew I had a chance.

Day 4, she comes over in the morning and says "hi". Big smile.

Later that day my family is BBQing, she also has some friends over. I am laying on the couch with no shirt or shoes on, just some board shorts. I am on the laptop.

She says -- "hey, what are you doing?

me: "just relaxing"

her: "you are welcome to come back and have a beer later"

me: "ok, cool, thanks"

We chat a little about her new mattress.

As she walks away she touches me on the head. I know this was a flirtatious move by her. I know I have a good chance if I just don't fuck it up.

It's now Saturday night. We have 2 parties going on, one is my family BBQ, the other is her friends having a bonfire in the backyard.

I stay with my family until about 9pm. At that point, the two parties pretty much start to intermingle. I am really the only younger, single dude there so that helps alot. Plus, my aunts are telling everyone how cool I am and really doing a good job of hyping me up.

Finally, around 11pm, we are both drunk. I rarely drink but when I do, its alot of fun. Most of the people have left except a few friends. We stay up talking, drinking, and smoking weed around the bonfire, my uncle is playing his Motown albums.

After a while, the older people all go to bed. It's just her and I out on the porch.

I ask her if she has any bottled water at her place. She says yeah and we walk over to her cottage. We enter the kitchen and she locks the door! I know its on. I have some water, we have some ice cream. I love banana ice cream. After a few bites, we start to make out, we end up on her new mattress!

I leave the next morning.

Also, met a 25yo bartender in Fullerton a little Mexican restaurant. Lots of cute Latinas there. She opened up to me and told me that her mom is depressed. We made plans to meet up but I left town before we could.

I also had a taco date with a White girl from the city of Orange at a great place called "Taco Mesa". It went well but I had to leave town before date #2.

The day game in Orange County was really good.

Any questions let me know..

Post: #634

(06-22-2013 01:50 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Another thing I should add is when I'm bitching about getting girls here, it's because I'm chasing after 8s and 9s. I hate to be "that guy" that keeps romanticizing his recent Europe trip, but when you've had 8s in Paris giving you their complete attention and are receptive to you, it makes things back home seem a bit shittier by comparison. At the end of the day it's all about how much work you want to put in, and in L.A. it happens to be quite a bit.

This. And I relate to that just coming back from Mexico where girls were sweet and non-flakey. This last thursday in Ecco Park, I chat up this woman. We get to talking for a bit and there was some obvious flirtiness going on, like she's kino-ing me and all. We exchanged numbers and decided to meet up at a bar the next night. I'm thinking, "yeah, got this one in the bag". I hit her up yesterday evening and the bitch never even texts back. I was thinking, "here we go again, welcome back to America."

The two toughest obstacles in L.A. is the logistic factor and also as important, the flake factor. I can't tell you how many fucking numbers go nowhere here. Sometimes from girls that even volunteered their number to me without asking. And I don't accept that it's just bad game from me. I'm not a social retard. I have friends and an otherwise completely normal social life.

And also, I'm really not a daygame guy either. I've got other shit to do in the day than walk around malls looking for women like I did in high school. Or standing on Venice Beach hollering at every girl that walks by like Vitaly. Unless you are daygaming girls right there within walking distance of your pad, I see little point of it. I doubt Vitaly is fucking even 1% of the girls he spits at on Venice. So you might get a number, the majority of which will be flakey. And if you get one that's DTF and don't have a place to take her to fuck immediately, good luck in getting her to drive across town for a date after just a few minutes of face to face conversation.

I agree with Giovanny on the fishbowl thing. You have to choose where you live very carefully. Unfortunately there are very few neighborhoods in L.A. that offer SF/NYC-like logistics that aren't exorbitantly expensive. If you can't say to girl, "let's walk back to my place for another drink" then you are in a bad location.

Post: #635

Excellent work Gio, you truly are an inspiration! Forgive me if I missed it in your post, but how old were these girls, and how would you rate them on the 10 scale? Also, did you sense automatic physical attraction, or did you rely heavily on your game skills?

Post: #636

(06-22-2013 01:42 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  L.A. is a daygame city. The same 8s and 9s that I see in clubs that are nearly impossible to seduce are the same girls I see in line at the coffee shop the next day.

Yes, that was my biggest observation. LA is a day game city. The amount of cute girls out during the day was way better then I'm used to. Puts San Francisco to shame. Why wait til 1am when the same girls are more approachable at 1pm?

(06-22-2013 01:42 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I was a line cook and fucking hostesses and waitresses. It was literally as easy as getting a few drinks after work and that was that. It was incredibly incestuous and cliquey and requires zero game whatsoever.

Thats what I'm talking about. Find a niche and exploiting it. You have to do that in LA. It's too hard to compete with the sharks.

I think that as a chef, you should be gaming all the girls in the restaurant industry and even customers.

Chefs are sex symbols. Food is sexy. You know this. You are a big fish in the food world. You are a small fish in the entertainment industry. Don't compete against the Hollywood big shots, exploit your own world of food.

Just my opinion.

Post: #637

(06-22-2013 02:31 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Excellent work Gio, you truly are an inspiration! Forgive me if I missed it in your post, but how old were these girls, and how would you rate them on the 10 scale?

The first girl was 23. The second girl was 26. A little old for me but I'll take it.

They were both in the 7-8 range. Both thin with nice bodies.

First girl was white, 2nd was asian/white.

(06-22-2013 02:31 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Also, did you sense automatic physical attraction, or did you rely heavily on your game skills?

A bit of both.

I did sense an automatic physical attraction, but, I needed game skill to build comfort, build humor, and appear non threatening. My looks got my foot in the door, but, game got my cock in the girl.

Honestly, 3-4 years ago I would not have been able to bang either one of these girls because I was too eager, too excited, not a good enough conversationalist, not aloof enough, and without the right body language. My game is 200% better then it was 3-4 years ago.

All my study and experimentation with game have helped to get better. If I never studied game, I would have never banged these girls.

You guys have helped me because you guys push me to improve.

Also, my looks have improved. I'm dressing better, taking better care of my skin and hair and my body language and facial language have improved. My body has gotten better.

This trip was great for me. I finally feel like I have game. I feel like I'm finally starting to get my look and my vibe together. It's been a 5 year journey.

Post: #638

Awsome reporting on the Trip Gio, Brother you are one humble player to say you got Game (Understatement of the year)

You asked earlier about NYC, Miami, Vegas, Now I haven't done Day game in LA but out of the other three NYC beats all other cities hands down. Glad you did well in LA and I am sure you will do great in NYC and you will enjoy NYC a whole lot better, Would love to read about Gio day gaming in NYC.

Happy hunting......

Post: #639

(06-22-2013 03:00 PM)Lothario Wrote:  Awsome reporting on the Trip Gio, Brother you are one humble player to say you got Game (Understatement of the year)

You asked earlier about NYC, Miami, Vegas, Now I haven't done Day game in LA but out of the other three NYC beats all other cities hands down. Glad you did well in LA and I am sure you will do great in NYC and you will enjoy NYC a whole lot better, Would love to read about Gio day gaming in NYC.

Happy hunting......

Hey Hermano,

Yes, New York City is my future!

I hung out with at350zguy yesterday. We had a great time and spoke about you. I can't wait to come see you down south!

Hope you are well.

Post: #640

^ you are going to murder it in NYC.

Just dress well since girls there are into sex and the city crap and you'll be just fine.

Post: #641

(06-22-2013 02:32 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Thats what I'm talking about. Find a niche and exploiting it. You have to do that in LA. It's too hard to compete with the sharks.

I think that as a chef, you should be gaming all the girls in the restaurant industry and even customers.

Chefs are sex symbols. Food is sexy. You know this. You are a big fish in the food world. You are a small fish in the entertainment industry. Don't compete against the Hollywood big shots, exploit your own world of food.

Just my opinion.

It's harder than you think, but I've been toying with the idea of gaming more in a scenario you describe.

My hotel is small and private. Like I said, I can get fired for fucking a subordinate. And there's really only one or two that I'd go for anyway.

Now, we get a steady stream of extremely hot talent rolling through here as far as guests go. I wish I was a member here and once I leave this job I'm gonna try to squeeze a membership out of the owner. I'd be here every week. Technically I can also get fired for fucking guests but given that I'm in good graces with the owner I think he might condone some deviant behavior on my part. I gotta tread carefully though.

I will say I've fucked a few girls through special events. There was a chef/blogger meet and greet and I wound up fucking a groupie there. There was also this series in L.A. called Test Kitchen, a pop up series that featured local chefs. I was helping some friends do theirs and wound up fucking another groupie there. (their groupie, not mine hahaha)

Post: #642

Also, while I applaud your notches Gio, they don't really apply to gaming in L.A. PROPER. I know that may seem petty but L.A. has all those weird outlier cities where yes, it makes sense to game to utilize the "big fish small pond" mentality. I get that. I know gaming in the valley is easier. But all of the gripes you hear us going on about is in Hollywood, the west side, etc. And you might say, "Well, get out of those areas." But there's not a guy on here that's gonna drive 45+ minutes just to go game. And there's no reason to move to those areas. If you're visiting that's great and you sound like a master of utilizing your time, resources, and logistics very well.

The point I'm making is the criticisms of L.A. still stand. Again, come to the venues that I frequent, in the areas I frequent. If you manage to pull with relative ease in those venues then I'll personally cook a 5 course dinner for you for a wingman session.

Edit: No homo

Post: #643

Gio's posts verify what I previously recommended in this post...

/thread-16165-...#pid405463

But thedude is right, it is a whole different ballgame in West LA/Santa Monica/Hollywood and not everyone can just move out.

Post: #644

Props to Gio for the bangs. I also see that he wasn't really gaming in L.A. proper but what exactly does 'gaming in L.A. proper' mean?

Maybe it's spitting game on the Santa Monica pier or Venice boardwalk. Or the malls in Westwood or Hollywood. Or the bars & clubs that have been mentioned here...I would certainly like to hear from someone who's cracked these areas/venues.

But maybe Gio is or has been saying that it's about gaming in your 'hood: at your apt complex, at the grocery store, laundry, starbucks, etc. Don't go head-to-head with the hi-rollers in the exclusive club. These same girls you'll bump into in your day-to-day routine if you live in these areas.

I see a bunch of people talk badly about LA on the forum, but does anyone here actually live in Santa Monica, Westwood or Hollywood? Studio City? When I hear someone talk badly about a place, my first reaction is that it's just one person's experience, his look, style or how his game is. It doesn't mean it bad for everyone else or even just for me. From the book 'The Game' wasn't 'Project Hollywood' just a couple of blocks from the main strip? Maybe a portion of their success was just from the 'fishbowl' effect.

These spots probably aren't going to be as target rich as lower Manhattan but I'm seriously considering setting up shop in one.

Post: #645

(06-22-2013 01:34 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(06-20-2013 01:45 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  In all honestly it is probably "C Grade" in America.

C'mon! 

"C Grade"!?!?

What cities in America are better? NYC, Miami, Vegas.

Yes. LA is "C Grade".

My Grades:

A Grade: NYC and Miami

B Grade: Las Vegas (or potential A-)

C Grade: LA

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Did I read your Swoop Reports correctly?

Fullerton and Newport Beach?

Last time I checked, those two cities weren't in LA.

Are we making the argument that LA is not as bad as people say or Orange County?

I mean, this is like someone making the argument that DC isn't as bad as people claim because he swooped two girls in Philadelphia.

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I live in Mid City now. Over the past 12 years I've lived in Pasadena, Glendale, Studio City, West Hollywood, Hollywood, Koreatown, and now "L.A. Proper". Noone is saying it's impossible here. It's about the amount of effort it takes and the usual gripes of flakes, logistics, etc.

I can also say that each of those areas that I've lived are distinctly different from each other and each would require its own data sheet. There could never be a "L.A. data sheet". The valley is different from hollywood is different from west hollywood is different from Venice/MDR and on and on. My nearest nightlife is downtown, where it's relatively easy to game girls but the talent level is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than the westside.

I've tried pinning down a USC hangout downtown but it seems completely erratic. Sometimes I see tons of students at 7 grand sometimes none. Sometimes I see them at Golden Gopher or Caseys, other times none. Sometimes it's popping during the week sometimes it's a ghost town. No rhyme or reason whatsoever.

I'm going to keep going back to my friend's bar in SM since my cover and drinks are free. Maybe if I hang out in the shark tank long enough...

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(06-23-2013 01:34 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I can also say that each of those areas that I've lived are distinctly different from each other

Can you enlighten me on the difference between Westwood and West Hollywood?

Quote:I've tried pinning down a USC hangout downtown but it seems completely erratic. Sometimes I see tons of students at 7 grand sometimes none. Sometimes I see them at Golden Gopher or Caseys, other times none. Sometimes it's popping during the week sometimes it's a ghost town. No rhyme or reason whatsoever.

Have you tried using Foursquare or SceneTap to get a bead on where the party's at? A buddy lives in downtown LA and he said his roommate uses some "party locator" app with excellent results.

Quote:I'm going to keep going back to my friend's bar in SM since my cover and drinks are free. Maybe if I hang out in the shark tank long enough...

Can you bring a wing? I also would like to see what the G could do there although from your description, my choice for a wing at this place would be MikeCF or Fisto.

Post: #648

First off, let me just say that these are my observations after being in town for 2 weeks as a tourist. I'm sure I'm wrong about a lot of things.

I don't challenge you guys to be argumentative. I challenge you guys to try and evolve the lifestyle of the modern bachelor. In this case, the modern bachelor in LA.

I consider this to be a gentlemanly discussion -- A few players "kicking the game around".

I hope it helps in some way. It helps me because this is my passion. Fine tuning and maximizing the lives of modern men. I don't want us driving around, sitting in traffic, getting DUI's, spending money, spending time, spending energy -- All for the sake of trying to get laid!!!

It shouldn't be that difficult. There has to be an easier way.

I like this motto -- Adapt or Die!

(06-22-2013 01:50 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  At the end of the day it's all about how much work you want to put in, and in L.A. it happens to be quite a bit.

How much work you have to put in all depends on your system, strategy, and location.

I don't want to put in any work.. That why I suggest living the the same area that you game in. If you go out to party in Hollywood, then you should live in Hollywood. It would also be nice if you worked in Hollywood and had some status in Hollywood.

If you want to make things easy on yourself, you need to live close to the action.

I'm reminded of a recent Roosh post. We had to describe our game in 4 words..

Roosh's answer -- "Centrally Located Apartment"

Describe your game in 4 words or less

This is my main point. Live close to the action.

This is important for Roosh in Europe, I think its just as important for you guys in LA.

(06-22-2013 02:29 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I'm really not a daygame guy either.

If you are not willing to day game and you don't have a centrally located apartment -- then its gonna be tough to consistently pull girls in LA. Unless you have some sort of niche that you can exploit.

If you don't have any of those things then your strategy and system could definately use and upgrade.

Also, what are you doing during the day that is more important then working on your sex life? I understand working and making money but going to the bank, going to the store, the dry cleaners, the mall, the gym, public transportation, etc. All of these times are situations where you could be meeting girls..

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(06-22-2013 06:25 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Also, while I applaud your notches Gio, they don't really apply to gaming in L.A. PROPER.

My strategy would not work in LA Proper?

Why not?

I'm saying to live close to the action. This applies anywhere in the world..

If you game in Hollywood, live in Hollywood. If you game in West LA, live in West LA. Build status and connections in these areas.

My strategy is to live where the girls are.

Why wouldn't it work in LA Proper?

(06-22-2013 06:25 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Again, come to the venues that I frequent, in the areas I frequent.

I don't do night game, so, I wouldn't be in the same situations as you.

I would be at UCLA or Long Beach St. I think the girls at UCLA and Long Beach St. are just as hot as the Hollywood girls but younger.

Plus, it works better for me because there are thousands of them out during the day.

(06-22-2013 01:50 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I hate to be "that guy" that keeps romanticizing his recent Europe trip, but when you've had 8s in Paris giving you their complete attention and are receptive to you, it makes things back home seem a bit shittier by comparison.

There are European girls in LA. Go to the UCLA and USC International Departments. Put out an ad in the UCLA/USC student newspaper looking for a French tudor. Go to the International Arrivals area at LAX. Look online for tourist meet ups or gatherings. Hotel bars?

I'm just thinking out loud.

But, you really should go to the International Department at UCLA and USC. A lot of those European exchange students would love to date a slightly older, American chef who lives locally.

In fact, next time I'm in LA, thats what we should do, go to UCLA and find you a couple European girls.

(06-22-2013 06:20 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  My hotel is small and private.

Now, we get a steady stream of extremely hot talent rolling through here as far as guests go.

You are a chef at a hotel? You have a lot of hot guests at the hotel..

You should be banging the guests!

But, I know you can't because of the law. Thats bullshit!

A hotel chef should be allowed to fuck the hotel guests!

That makes me sick. You have a great niche in a great location but you can't take advantage of it because some lawyer will say that you violated the law. I want kill myself right now!

Being able to bang your guests would make things a lot easier for you.

Talk to the owner about it. Tell him a guest slipped you her number and you want to bang her but you wanted to check with him first. He might give you the okay. Just be careful. Tourists girls love to bang the hotel chef!

(06-22-2013 10:09 PM)Leo Wrote:  But maybe Gio is or has been saying that it's about gaming in your 'hood: at your apt complex, at the grocery store, laundry, starbucks, etc

Yes, of course, I always say to game close to our home for the sake of convenience and logistics.

In the case of LA, I say, don't drive all over town chasing girls, find a good 5-10 mile radius and work that radius as effectively and efficiently as possible.

(06-22-2013 10:09 PM)Leo Wrote:  Don't go head-to-head with the hi-rollers in the exclusive club.

I don't recommend bring a knife to gun fight.

If you can't compete, find another "hunting ground".

(06-22-2013 10:09 PM)Leo Wrote:  From the book 'The Game' wasn't 'Project Hollywood' just a couple of blocks from the main strip? Maybe a portion of their success was just from the 'fishbowl' effect.

I didn't read the book but I'm sure they lived close to the action.

If you want to get laid at night, you need to live near by.

(06-23-2013 10:48 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Yes. LA is "C Grade".

My Grades:

A Grade: NYC and Miami

B Grade: Las Vegas (or potential A-)

C Grade: LA

Miami and New York no doubt.

But, Las Vegas???

In what ways is Vegas better then LA?

One night stands? Of course, Vegas is way better.

Restaurants? Might be a close one?

Are there any other areas that Vegas is better then LA?

Okay, gambling.

Vegas might be better for a vacation. But, where would you rather live?

I'm sure you would rather live somewhere in LA. right?

Maybe not. Mayweather, Tyson, and Wayne Newton seem to like it.

(06-23-2013 10:48 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Are we making the argument that LA is not as bad as people say ?

Yes, I think too many guys complain about LA without making the necessary strategic adjustments.

I will say this..

There are plenty of girls in LA. All kinds. There is plenty of opportunity in LA.

The problem is the logistical set up. Things are not centralized and localized. It's so spread out.

LA is a unique problem. It requires a unique solution. We have to think differently. Having game is not enough. Logistics have to be set up also. This makes things more challenging for most people.

After all of this analysis, I will say this, LA is harder then most places. The logistical problems alone make this so.

If I ever lived in LA, the first thing I would do is find a little apartment near a major university. This would be the single most important thing for me.

In LA, if you don't have your logistics set up, you don't have your game set up.

I encourage you guys to move closer to the action or closer to a high traffic area. (If you can't do that because of money or work then you have a unique problem which we can also talk about if you want)

LA is not easy, advanced strategies are required.

Post: #649

One other thing. Few people have any one area that they go to. If you asked me where I go out at night , I couldn't even tell you, because I'm all over the map. And tend to base things off what seems interesting or popping off that particular evening. I think most people are like that here. We may be in Venice one night, Koreatown the next, Hollywood the next, Santa Monica the next. I think that in part explains what thedude was saying about how shit is so frequently random and hit or miss. Everyone is just sort of all over the place. Unless you are at a place that is extremely divey, chances are most people in any particular venue don't live nearby.

Post: #650

nice comments all around