Post: #26

Quote:Add Switzerland to this point.

I saw on BBC News the swiss just voted against getting more holidays per year, the vote was to increase from 4 to 6 weeks and the public massively voted against it. What is wrong with Swiss people, who doesn't want more time off work?

Post: #27

both good original posts..however disagree with a little bit of it. when the guy says 'if you love naba, nfl, sport etc you can't leave ur country u have issues' thats bullshit right there. some people could argue he has issues.

personally i prefer to live abroad.. some people love it, some don't. sport makes some people happy, others cant stand it, some people love travelling others prefer to stay at home. what makes one person happy ( isn't the 'right' way) might not for another person. eveyones different.

u got to do whats right for YOu and not give a fuck what others think..whether it is: sports, video games, travelling, being a slut, being a worcaholic, living the co-orporate lifestyle..whatever.

Post: #28

I think spectator sports are the distilled essence of beta.

I see the essence of alpha as being individualized. Spectator sports are ALL about identifying with the group. There is no such thing as selfishness in a team sport.

Group mind = subservient to the cause, communist, socialist, beta.

Selfish mind = alpha.

And of course in any discussion of alpha, remember my patented idea, first introduced years ago on roissy's blog; "alpha is not equal to admirable".

Post: #29

I like football therefore I am a communist beta...good to know

Post: #30

(03-15-2012 04:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  I think spectator sports are the distilled essence of beta.

I see the essence of alpha as being individualized. Spectator sports are ALL about identifying with the group. There is no such thing as selfishness in a team sport.

Group mind = subservient to the cause, communist, socialist, beta.

Selfish mind = alpha.

And of course in any discussion of alpha, remember my patented idea, first introduced years ago on roissy's blog; "alpha is not equal to admirable".

Team sports are not beta if you are the star of the team everyone looks up to you and follows your command and that is alpha. If you just follow and just are in the background then yes, you could be a beta.

Post: #31

(03-15-2012 04:48 AM)xsplat Wrote:  I think spectator sports are the distilled essence of beta.

I see the essence of alpha as being individualized. Spectator sports are ALL about identifying with the group. There is no such thing as selfishness in a team sport.

Group mind = subservient to the cause, communist, socialist, beta.

Selfish mind = alpha.

And of course in any discussion of alpha, remember my patented idea, first introduced years ago on roissy's blog; "alpha is not equal to admirable".

Disagree. Spectator sports celebrate competition, embrace losing, encourage persistence, and celebrate victory.

There is a reason why Men, by and large, among any culture, like sports, and women, by and large, among any culture, find men who are successful athletes to be very attractive. It is a very alpha industry.

Post: #32

Playing sports for a living is alpha. Watching them instead of living is beta.

Post: #33

a bunch of newbies debating whether sports is beta is beyond stupid and a waste of time.

Post: #34

(03-18-2012 12:59 PM)redneckpunk Wrote:  a bunch of newbies debating whether sports is beta is beyond stupid and a waste of time.

I don't think it is a waste of time if one seeks to try and enlighten someone of their own mistake in logic. That said, if I did that all the time I would never have time for anything.

Honestly, I am not entirely fond of the whole alpha/beta dichotomy, but I let people define themselves as they wish.

Post: #35

(03-18-2012 11:30 AM)makher Wrote:  Playing sports for a living is alpha. Watching them instead of living is beta.

Or how about both? Or how about enjoying the emotions that happen when watching a sports team you favor? Or how about enjoying watching a team score a touchdown for a masculine sense of release? I mean, watching bullfighting, that is beta?

Okay, new rule for myself. I will no longer engage in an alpha/beta conversation on anything, minus the is this beta joke.

Post: #36

This thread is an example of a good discussion that went horribly off-topic.

Post: #37

(03-18-2012 01:40 PM)Smitty Wrote:  This thread is an example of a good discussion that went horribly off-topic.

Hell, if people are going to go off topic at least make it interesting. Calling people out who watch sports as being beta is so, well, beta.

Post: #38

Ya, I had expected that comment to raise hackles, although I wasn't trolling.

It's a counter intuitive idea, so I'd hoped that it would at least generate a little thought.

I agree that some aspects of sports are masculine. But is masculine equal to alpha? I think not. Many aspects of masculinity are nurturing, protecting, and provider oriented. My idea is that alpha traits are defined by selfishness.

Sometimes there is no profit in pidgeon holing what characteristics are "alpha", or "beta". However the broad concepts have some use to men, obviously. Being alpha, as the term is used on manosphere blogs, means being attractive to women. It's useful to know what aspects of personality are charming.

Women are attracted to selfishness and a personality that has the power to get away with being selfish.

Testosterone causes an increase in selfish behaviors, and many of the behaviors that we categorize as alpha have a definining charactaristic of being individual oriented.

I think we can all imagine a group of teenagers railing off their sports teams stats and drooling in homo-erotic fandom as they share their group fascination with their heros, and quickly see those sports fans as lacking in individuation, and leaning heavily into the group oriented follower side of personality. Trying to fit in and using a group oriented concern to fit in.

The idea to ponder is individuation versus following the group.

Humans have a contingent hive mind - without which our groups would never be able to survive group crisis. However this hive mind aspect could be categorized as being a drone and a follower. That aspect should be contingent on crisis, not a default mode of being. Spectator sports exemplify a follower mindset.

Post: #39

so after reading this guys comments I feel a sense of bitterness coming from him. I get the idea of breaking out of the day to day grind for some scenery and living abroad, but he sounds as if he already disliked america. the idea of it having to do with where your from also probably plays a big role, i love my country (that's the main reason why i'm going to serve) but i love being born and raised in Queens, NY more. if you live the in the type of place where you just do your 9 to 5 and live like a typical american it gets terribly boring and leaves you unfulfilled. that's why i sympathize with living abroad and experiencing a different lifestyle, but the idea of having that much dislike of america doesn't resonate with me

Post: #40

(03-18-2012 04:33 PM)SemperFiGuy Wrote:  so after reading this guys comments I feel a sense of bitterness coming from him. I get the idea of breaking out of the day to day grind for some scenery and living abroad, but he sounds as if he already disliked america. the idea of it having to do with where your from also probably plays a big role, i love my country (that's the main reason why i'm going to serve) but i love being born and raised in Queens, NY more. if you live the in the type of place where you just do your 9 to 5 and live like a typical american it gets terribly boring and leaves you unfulfilled. that's why i sympathize with living abroad and experiencing a different lifestyle, but the idea of having that much dislike of america doesn't resonate with me

agreed hates america..translates to can't get laid in America.

Post: #41

(03-19-2012 06:44 AM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

(03-18-2012 04:33 PM)SemperFiGuy Wrote:  so after reading this guys comments I feel a sense of bitterness coming from him. I get the idea of breaking out of the day to day grind for some scenery and living abroad, but he sounds as if he already disliked america. the idea of it having to do with where your from also probably plays a big role, i love my country (that's the main reason why i'm going to serve) but i love being born and raised in Queens, NY more. if you live the in the type of place where you just do your 9 to 5 and live like a typical american it gets terribly boring and leaves you unfulfilled. that's why i sympathize with living abroad and experiencing a different lifestyle, but the idea of having that much dislike of america doesn't resonate with me

agreed hates america..translates to can't get laid in America.

thats not true i don't like most aspects of america but women is not the issue. i dislike that people are drones under the government and 50% of people of the country think that Europe is a country and don't know where the united states is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fys3MsKMp...re=related

Post: #42

The comments he wrote are making me dread even more my impending return to the U.S. My goal in returning is to exactly what he did (become and entrepreneur and set up a business that gives me enough cash flow to live abroad indefinitely). Hopefully I can channel how much I don't want to be in the U.S. into energy to really push and make my business plan work.

The one thing I will say having lived abroad for 2 long stretches is that establishing meaningful relationships is one of the hardest parts of not being in the U.S. for me. My two stints abroad were 6 and 8 months a piece, which may just be not enough time to establish those relationships. I always get the feeling with my non-US friends that I'm almost a novelty. They always want to talk about what shit is like in the U.S., how much stuff costs there, etc. That's fine at first, but after a while it gets old and doesn't really establish trust. Has anyone else had this problem/found a solution?

Post: #43

Anyone know of good blogs of men (on this forum or not) who have decided to live internationally?

Maybe not as geared toward gaming, but ones that share some of the realities of living abroad.

I have spent time abroad but usually in really nice hotels and expense accounts for work.

IKE has spoken about his rough experience with his landlord, http://eccentricxpat.blogspot.com/ has spoken about his teaching experience in the Ukraine and possibly being homeless at one point, swooptheworld is good for info - but mainly around women. afarang has a good blog http://afarangabroad.com. I have tried to find one on someone living in Poland but no luck.

I'd appreciate any links you may be willing to share or PM me.

Thanks.

Post: #44

@samsamsam

http://markmanson.net/

This guy used to post here a bit.

Post: #45

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