(10-16-2017 08:33 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 05:28 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  For the first time in my life, as a 28y old who has never eaten meat and being a 14th generation vegetarian, I ate chicken

There's a whole thread in this, updates being required beyond the original story which must be of reasonable interest at least.

I'm sure there are plenty of guys here who will want to know what changes your body chemistry undergoes, myself included.

Farm some reps, bro.

(10-16-2017 08:50 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  Without having ever had it, did you still know it "tastes like chicken"?

Edit: I've always heard bacon is the gateway meat that leads vegetarians astray.

(10-17-2017 01:59 AM)Kona Wrote:  A fourteenth generation vegetarian?

We need some details here.

Aloha!

(10-17-2017 04:46 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 08:33 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 05:28 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  For the first time in my life, as a 28y old who has never eaten meat and being a 14th generation vegetarian, I ate chicken

There's a whole thread in this, updates being required beyond the original story which must be of reasonable interest at least.

I'm sure there are plenty of guys here who will want to know what changes your body chemistry undergoes, myself included.

Farm some reps, bro.

OK, give me a few months.

I got bloodwork done for T levels and thyroid functioning. Should give me a baseline - did it today, so after having had chicken yesterday. Though I doubt one chicken breast will have a noticeable impact on my bloodwork. Also getting vitamin D levels done this week. I'm going to optimize vitamin D levels (and Zinc/Magnesium levels) as much as I can. Optimize my workouts and sleep as much as I can as well.

I may do bloodwork again. It's a bit pricey, so I might just skip it and go with subjective changes in how I feel.

Then I might start eating meat again (in about 2 months), do it consistently and see what happens. Bloodwork after a few months

Things I'll be particularly keeping track of:

* body - I'm on the skinnyfat side. I've been working out for a few years, but I've gotten poor results: I see guys gain more muscle in 6 months than I have in 2 years. It could be a difference in genetics, but my hypothesis is that it's really partly a lack of protein, but also due to eating too many carbs (due to lack of satiety of non-animal products) and resulting insulin resistance.

* change in energy levels. I was a pretty energetic person for my entire life, though last 2 years it's been lagging. One possibility is natural drop in T (at least natural here being defined as by environmental estrogenic effects), another is lack of purpose in life. However, it'll be interesting to see if the meat makes a significant difference.

* sleep quality and schedule - I average 10 hours a day. A bit more than I like. I'm curious to discover if the quality of my sleep would improve. Two main indicators: hours of sleep and if I can get up early in the morning. I especially struggle hard to get up. I don't wake up bursting with energy.

PS I was vegan for the past 8 years as well, with potentially minor amount of dairy here and there due to food prep/ingredients at restaurants (I've had a few instances where they neglected to mention there's cheese in the food etc.).

Eating meat yesterday was more a mental battle than anything else - it's a big taboo in my culture. Got that done - if T levels come back normal and vitamin D/zinc/magnesium supplementation fix issues, I might not end up incorporating meat.

(10-16-2017 08:50 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  Without having ever had it, did you still know it "tastes like chicken"?

Edit: I've always heard bacon is the gateway meat that leads vegetarians astray.

I don't have a particular affinity for food, never have. So resisting any temptation has been stupidly easy for me. I've heard the same about bacon being the gateway meat - bacon doesn't appeal to me quite frankly. You might also notice from above that I'm trying out meat for pragmatic and health reasons, and not so much curiosity or taste.

As for the taste, I believe I had chicken breast (since I don't know anything about meat, pardon the uncertainty). I'd always assumed meat would taste like cheese - seemed like it had a similar texture. When I had it, honestly, it tasted and felt like I was eating cooked tofu - really bland, same texture. So weirdly enough, it didn't taste 'surprising'. As in, I was thinking: "yeah I'm oddly enough not surprised this is what chicken tastes like". For full details: it was seasoned with lime and oregano. There wasn't any "oh, so this is what meat tastes like" - maybe that'll come with steak or bacon. But chicken, yeah it tastes like cooked tofu, maybe mozzarella cheese.

(10-17-2017 01:59 AM)Kona Wrote:  A fourteenth generation vegetarian?

We need some details here.

Aloha!

I'm of Indian origin. There are probably hundreds of millions of us. Especially Hindu Brahmins and Jains, most have been vegetarians for several generations. I can track back my family lineage 14 generation, although the reality is that I may be a 38th generation vegetarian or something. I don't know exactly how far back my ancestors gave up meat, only that 13 generations ago they had to be vegetarian. There's probably at least a few million Indians out there whose ancestors have been vegetarian for 2000+ years, which would come out to 40-50 generations. Maybe even further back than that. Especially Brahmins, who like all other Hindus, marry within caste - so vegetarian Brahmins marrying vegetarian Brahmins throughout centuries.

On a sidenote, regarding Genghis Khan - since Mongols were steppe people, they most certainly consumed heavy amounts of dairy and meat. There wasn't really much kale or beans to be found in the Central Asian/Mongolian steppes. So haha, not related to my namesake or General Tso.

(10-17-2017 08:55 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  I may be wrong about this, but I have a visceral feeling that eating meat instead of being vegetarian is closely akin to taking the red pill. Specifically, the part of the red pill where a man stops feeling ashamed of his desire for sex, and stops apologizing to his wife or girlfriend for wanting it, and starts asking why the fuck he's wasting his time with a woman that doesn't keep his balls drained.

The two things feel very closely related to me.

Edit: I don't mean to rip on GH. Good luck in your search for nutrition and energy. I think you will find that protein plus heavy lifting will make a big difference. While your culture is strongly oriented towards vegetarianism, human animals are omnivores, and human men are much more powerful and aggressive when fueled with a high protein diet. You could still raise your protein intake a lot with milk whey based suppliments if you wanted to go that whey.

(10-17-2017 10:51 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  I thought the vegetarianism of India was based on their religion, Hinduism, and how everyone is reincarnated as something, so they don't want to eat relatives.

Quote:The Ashvamedha ritual - in which a horse is sacrificed - is described in the Rigveda, the Shukla Yajurveda, the Taittiriya Shakha of Yajurveda, the Shatapatha Brahmana and in the Srauta-sutras of the Aitareya Brahmana and in the Kaushtikati Brahmana of the Rigveda. In the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad the symbolism of the sacrifice is described, with the horse symbolising the cosmos. In the Ramayana, Rama performed the Ashvamedha sacrifice for becoming the Chakravartin emperor. In the Mahabharata, Yudhishtra performs the Ashwamedha after winning the Kurukshetra war to become the Chakravartin emperor. The Mahabharata also contains a description of an Ashvamedha performed by the Chedi king Uparichara Vasu, however, no animals were sacrificed. The rulers of the Gupta empire, the Chalukya dynasty, and the Chola dynasty all performed the Ashvamedha.[14][15][16][17][18]

In the Vedas, there are mention of animal sacrifices, such as mantras for the sacrifice of a goat in the Rig;[19] and the Jyotistoma sacrifice in which three animal-sacrifices are performed, namely, Agnisomiya, Savaniya and Anubandhya.[20][21] Agnisomiya was the simplest of all Soma sacrifices in which animal sacrifice played an important part; it required that a goat be sacrificed to Agni and Soma preceding the day of offering of nectar to the gods. In the Savaniya sacrifice, victims were offered throughout the day of offering to Agni.[22]

In the Anubandhya sacrifice either a barren cow or an ox was offered to Varuna and Mitra on the day of Soma sacrifice.[23] The Yajurveda is considered the Veda of sacrifices and rituals,[24][25] and consists of a number of animal sacrifices, such as mantras and procedures for the sacrifices of a white goat to Vayu,[26] a calf to Sarasvati, a speckled ox to Savitr, a bull to Indra, a castrated ox to Varuna and so on.[27]

(12-03-2017 03:34 AM)heavy Wrote:  Girl said to me "you look a lot hotter from a distance"

Now I'm a good looking dude and that may seem like an insult. It is at first glance. But it means I'm screwing up which is the first step in knowing female retartedness...err female sexuality. Newbs pay attention, screw up and fuck the haters just proceed with a sloth ly different game plan and improve youre game.