Post: #1

After reading this comment about logistics, I'm thinking that the more we can figure out a way to sell an experience to the girl, the less chance of getting LMR.

An example of this might be a party promoter or DJ. They create an environment where the vibe is good for sex, and the girl associates them with that good vibe. It's the opposite of going up to a girl and begging her for sex.

I've been experimenting with this kind of thing in promoting my band as well. Instead of making myself look low value by asking people to come out to support me at a show, I've been hosting a party that provides a fun time. Everyone sees me as authority figure, and when my band plays, we get people to check us out without begging for them to show up.

It's like the difference between verbally telling a girl your DHV vs. actually letting her witness it. The latter is more powerful.

If you can create an awesome, seamless experience, I think the girl is going to feel a connection to something greater than a one-night stand, and this connection will disable her shit-testing and ancient anxiety of getting a scarlet letter.

All this may seem obvious, but I think this should be the baseline for everyone's game. Before everything else comes into play, the vibe needs to be set and maintained. I've dropped the ball on this so many times, and I'd bet that a lot of guys have as well.

That's why logistics are so important, and that's why you can't let a girl or rejection make you mad or throw you off.

You can be the the dark and mysterious lone wolf lover, or the alpha guy who everyone loves and runs the show, but you have to be able to sell an overwhelming, hamster obliterating experience. Then, getting laid is just a matter of being there.

Post: #2

(08-30-2012 12:35 PM)soup Wrote:  you have to be able to sell an overwhelming, hamster obliterating experience

The absolute hottest sex I've ever has always been after pulling off something like this.

Agreed, this should be a baseline, if only because experiences are the language in which a woman speaks.

Post: #3

It's like that thread a little while back about getting girls to approach you vs. you approaching them. The first step towards hamster obliteration is creating a situation in which girls approach you. This could be hosting a party (leader), or it could be placing yourself in the bar logistically (lone wolf).

Post: #4

You have the absolute right idea Soup. I'm not sure how well what I do would work in NYC, but I always try to backpedal from their date ideas or cliched suggestions into something that sounds unique and sort of cheesily romantic. Situations where you can escalate easily and yet the idea was creative enough that they have plausible deniability. It is 100% about how you sell it. I'll post what I cooked up for tonight once I am about to head out for it.

Post: #5

(08-30-2012 12:35 PM)soup Wrote:  I've been experimenting with this kind of thing in promoting my band as well. Instead of making myself look low value by asking people to come out to support me at a show, I've been hosting a party that provides a fun time. Everyone sees me as authority figure, and when my band plays, we get people to check us out without begging for them to show up.

You are in a band!!! You should be exploiting the fuck out of that! Sell yourself as a star. Like you said, don't beg people to come see you, instead host a party and make yourself the star of that party. Market it with pics and video of yourself on stage. Create a facebook fan page page with more pics, video, interviews and a calender of where you will be performing. You should be getting groupies!

Performing on stage is a huge DHV!!!

Find ways to take advantage of this. Play at colleges, play for frat houses, play at bars and clubs. Hype it all up on social media!

This has alot of potential to be a huge "pussy funnel" for you!!!

Post: #6

(08-30-2012 02:32 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 12:35 PM)soup Wrote:  I've been experimenting with this kind of thing in promoting my band as well. Instead of making myself look low value by asking people to come out to support me at a show, I've been hosting a party that provides a fun time. Everyone sees me as authority figure, and when my band plays, we get people to check us out without begging for them to show up.

You are in a band!!! You should be exploiting the fuck out of that! Sell yourself as a star. Like you said, don't beg people to come see you, instead host a party and make yourself the star of that party. Market it with pics and video of yourself on stage. Create a facebook fan page page with more pics, video, interviews and a calender of where you will be performing. You should be getting groupies!

Performing on stage is a huge DHV!!!

Find ways to take advantage of this. Play at colleges, play for frat houses, play at bars and clubs. Hype it all up on social media!

This has alot of potential to be a huge "pussy funnel" for you!!!

I know, I have friends who use music as their sole source of poon. And at least one of them was heavy into the PUA thing for a while.

As a testament to how in the dark I've been for most of my life, I've never really been able to get this music thing to work for me.

The party is definitely starting to help generate attraction. I just have to be careful about not shitting where I'm eating.

Post: #7

(08-30-2012 03:14 PM)soup Wrote:  I know, I have friends who use music as their sole source of poon. And at least one of them was heavy into the PUA thing for a while.

Talk to these guys about what methods work for them.

I have friends in bands and they do very well with fucking fans!

If you are up on stage performing, you should be pulling girls from the audience!

Banging the star of the show is part of that "experience" that you describe. You are the alpha in that arena on that night!

Post: #8

(08-30-2012 03:22 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 03:14 PM)soup Wrote:  I know, I have friends who use music as their sole source of poon. And at least one of them was heavy into the PUA thing for a while.

Talk to these guys about what methods work for them.

I have friends in bands and they do very well with fucking fans!

If you are up on stage performing, you should be pulling girls from the audience!

Banging the star of the show is part of that "experience" that you describe. You are the alpha in that arena on that night!

One of my best friends just figured out he can sing at 35 and started a band. He was raised in a record store so he basically knows the words to any song. He after forming a band and getting real gigs get married to his
girlfriend of 5 years. I said What?????? Nice timing dude. Puss is getting thrown at him like crazy even though he was no slouch before. Haha

Post: #9

One time I went to a movie screening, an indie production. Not the glamorous, scenester kind either. The director stopped by a bar in the joint after. I met him, graciously thanked him for the movie I enjoyed... And then I went around the bar telling girls there was this amazing director here, right there in the bar with him. The girls didn't really believe me, but I was so ballsy in my boasting that they thought, "hell, if even a fraction of this is true, it should be interesting..." The bar happened to have some pretty good talent, due to another screening. I brought over several girls to this dude, and he was loving it - he was traveling and asked me for my number for the next night so he could go drinking with me and abandon his loser friend.

It didn't go anywhere with any of the girls, his English was a little rocky. I ended up sharing a table with just me and two girls, got the number of one. But it opened pretty well, and would work with a little bit more volume. Danger and Play said, and it's true, if you want to make a guy feel indebted to you, short of saving his life, score him some pussy.

Another night I was out, and my wing later informed me their was a TV celebrity in the bar. After, I thought of doing the same schtick again, no doubt he would've appreciated it. You sound like a huge tool promoting yourself, but it's no problem if you have someone else doing it. And while you might think the 'promoter' will lose, that's really not the case. It's just up to whoever has more appeal at that point. Plus, hustling girls across a bar to your boy is good for your frame.

Figure out some angle where a partner boosts you up, and you don't do any of the boasting myself, and see how it goes. Switch off so you share the proceeds.

Post: #10

(08-30-2012 03:31 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  One of my best friends just figured out he can sing at 35 and started a band. He was raised in a record store so he basically knows the words to any song. He after forming a band and getting real gigs get married to his
girlfriend of 5 years. I said What?????? Nice timing dude. Puss is getting thrown at him like crazy even though he was no slouch before. Haha

I'm want to start a cover band. I would do mostly Red Hot Chili Peppers songs since I love their music and I look a little bit like the lead singer..

Post: #11

I get the sense this probably how someone like Gmanifesto's game works. He's not just selling a guy, he's selling a world or story- an exciting adventure that the girl would want to be part of.

Post: #12

I think you're right on target with this Soup.

It's about creating a "character" who is different and superior from the ordinary mass of men, and offering the girl a thrilling ride along with this character as he lives his exciting life.

A girl is far more likely to have a ONS or fling with this type of guy than with the khaki wearing, blue button down guy.

Post: #13

I'd even go a far as to say that Mystery's clothing worked not just because it was a peacocking thing to stand out, but he was selling a character of this Rock-star looking Graver guy that must be famous for something.

So, hanging out with him was like having a key into some kind of world or experience that was far more exciting than what all the guys had to offer.

You win her confidence through sheer force of your personality. Even on this forum, you can tell who the most successful players are- they have the strongest personalities. This is why actors get paid so much money; you go to watch a movie because the directors and actors give you this awesome experience that reminds you what if feels like to be alive.

I have a friend who is involved in promoting, DJing, and does work for hipster publications. He's becoming kind of famous. He has a strong personality, and makes a living off of it. As I watch him get more famous, he's getting 8s and 9s starting to approach him.

The funny thing is, he still asks me for advice about girls. It's like he has all these great attributes to be a pussy slayer, but there is this beta oneitis thing that holds him back. I'm trying to help him realize his true potential as sith lord of game.

It's funny to hear how some of these super fine bitches try to run game on him. They're the worst players! One of them tried to get him to come over to her place asking him things "hey, do you like movies?" "Do you like wine?"
But, my friend is all wishy washy and I'm like "man- do it! You gotta be clear with you intentions or she's going to think you just want to be friends."