Post: #26

Be careful with this because most states have statutes that say if you're 4 years or more older than the age of consent, it's a crime..

Here's MD for example: "What is the age of consent in Maryland for engaging in sexual conduct



Maryland Criminal Attorney- This is a legal question that I am asked quite often, mostly by young men. The answer to the question is contained in the trite but partly true expression that "15 will get you 20". The general rule is that the age at which a young person can legally consent to engage in vaginal intercourse, sexual contact, or a sexual act with another person is 16 years. There is an exception to this rule if the older participant (usually the man) is less than four years older than the girl. In other words, it may or may not be illegal for an 19 year old to have sex with a 15 year old or a 18 year old to have sex with a 14 year old depending upon when the participants birthdays occur. A violation of the statute only occurs if the participants' birthdays are four years or more apart.

"The unusual part of the statute, as compared to most criminal statutes, is that it creates a strict liability standard. What I mean by that is that it doesn't matter whether the child looked older than she really was, whether she told the offender that she was older than she really was or whether he reasonably believed she was older than she really was. The law states that if an adult 4 years or more older than the child under 16, engages in sexual conduct with that child, he is guilty - period."

With all that said, discretion is key if you're going to indulge.. Vet the female as much as possible, the more introverted/quiet her natural disposition/personality the better..

Post: #27

(08-24-2012 04:50 PM)662LetGo Wrote:  Be careful with this because most states have statutes that say if you're 4 years or more older than the age of consent, it's a crime..

Not quite. Here is what the book in Maryland says (shamelessly poached from Wiki, though footnotes exist on the page if you want to diver further into the legal details):

Quote:The age of consent in Maryland is 16.
If a victim is 14 or 15 and the offender at least 4 years older than the victim, that constitutes a sexual offense in the fourth degree. If the offender is at least 21 years old, and they engage in vaginal intercourse or other sexual acts (including oral and anal sex), that constitutes a sexual offense in the third degree.

Translation: The age of consent is 16. There is some concern here that Maryland and many other states may state that " if you're 4 years or more older than the age of consent, it's a crime".
There is no such stipulation, which is why the effective age of consent is still listed at 16. It does not matter how much older you are than this age of consent. Her (or his) ability to consent at 16 is not, in the eyes of the law, impacted by the advanced age of the older partner (unless he/she is an authority figure, which I'll get to in a moment). 16 is the number, period.

Now, you can have a situation like Pennsylvania's, which I just mentioned. There, 16 is the listed age, but 18 is the effective age because the law holds that those over 18 can be charged for "corrupting" a partner under 18. In this state, it actually does matter how much older you are than the age of consent (must be less than 2 years). This is why 18 is listed, and not 16.

If the state is listed as 16 or 17 in the previous posts, then it does not have the clauses that Pennsylvania does pushing the age up. 16 (or 17) is the number to go by.

Further translation: You do see a close in age exemption here, as you do in the vast majority of states. Here, 14 and 15 are legal IF the older partner is less than 4 years older. That means that if you're 17, you can legally have intercourse with a 14 year old (14 is the age of consent for you). If you're 18, 15 is fair game. If you're 19, it isn't-you must stick to 16 or above, lest you wish to see a fourth degree (relatively minor, but still on your record) sexual offense charge. The law states that this punishment will be more severe for someone 21 or over who engages in such activity (third degree charge).
Maryland allows a 3 year difference with its exemption. Here's what Utah says:

Quote:The age of consent in Utah is 18. However, it is legal for minors aged 16 and 17 to engage in sexual activity with partners less than 10 years older.

Utah has a pretty high effective age of consent at 18, but it is lower for younger folks. If you're 25 years old, it is effectively 16 (at 26, 17). Like Maryland, Utah has a close in age exemption of 3 years, making it ok for a 17 year old to get with a 14 year old and a 15 year old with an 18 year old.

Anyway, back to Maryland:

Quote:If a victim is under 14 and the offender at least 4 years older, and they engage in a sex act (oral, anal and other sex acts, but not vaginal intercourse), that constitutes a sexual offense in the second degree. If they engage in vaginal intercourse, that constitutes rape in the second degree. If they have sexual contact (kissing, touching for sexual gratification), that constitutes a sexual offense in the third degree.
Notes:

Another close in age exemption, this time for much younger folks. What this basically means is that 13 year olds are in play for 16 year old kids, and 12 year olds for 15 year olds, etc. If you're 17 or older and you even touch a 13 year old, you can be charged with a sexual offense.

Continuing with Maryland...

Quote:An exception to the age of consent is that if a person in a "position of authority" (full-time, permanent employee) engages in any sexual contact with any minor under age 18 or victim specified above, that constitutes a sexual offense in the fourth degree.

If you have folks under 18 working for you, don't ever even touch them. If you are a coach, teacher, or administrator, do not even look at a student under 18. This law is consistent in just about every state, though some states set the age of consent for authority figures even higher. Alabama is one of these:

Quote:Alabama: A person commits the crime of a school employee having sexual contact with a student under the age of 19 years if:
(a) He or she is a school employee and engaging in sexual contact with a student, regardless of whether the student is male or female. Consent is not a defense to a charge under this section.
(b) As used in this section, sexual contact means any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a student, done for the purpose of gratifying the sexual desire of either party. The term includes soliciting or harassing a student to perform a sex act.
© The crime of a school employee having sexual contact with a student is a Class A misdemeanor.

Ok, finishing off Maryland now...

Quote:An additional violation is the crime of "sexual solicitation of minor." §3-324. Under this statute, it is illegal to solicit any minor under 18 (or a law enforcement officer posing as a minor) by any means (in person, by agent, online, telephone, mail, writing etc.) to commit a rape or sexual offense in the second degree sexual offense in the third degree, or prostitution.

Call this the "To Catch A Predator" law. This is the legal backing they use to grab those guys Chris Hansen ambushes on TV. Not every state has one of these, but I believe most do.
The bottomline for guys is this: if you see a girl online and she is under 18, never get sexual with her online. Do not ever suggest having sexual activity (especiallypay-for-play) to her.

And, for the love of god, NEVER sext her.

Post: #28

This is good news.

Post: #29

(08-24-2012 10:02 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  That being said, reading the fine print is still a good idea.

The best idea is to not fuck around with anyone who is not a legal adult if you're out of high school already. Analyzing the fine print so you can push the law to the absolute limit is a guaranteed way to find yourself with a life sentence to the sex offenders registry and possibly a felony conviction. You will fuck up eventually and misinterpret something, and it will come back to haunt you.

It's just not worth the possible consequences.

Post: #30

(08-25-2012 02:04 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  

(08-24-2012 10:02 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  That being said, reading the fine print is still a good idea.

The best idea is to not fuck around with anyone who is not a legal adult if you're out of high school already. Analyzing the fine print so you can push the law to the absolute limit is a guaranteed way to find yourself with a life sentence to the sex offenders registry and possibly a felony conviction. You will fuck up eventually and misinterpret something, and it will come back to haunt you.

It's just not worth the possible consequences.

The bolded is pure hyperbole. If you have some basic skill for reading and identifying the law, it really is not nearly as difficult to avoid trouble as you're making it seem. The book is really fairly clear in nearly all states as to what is legal and what isn't-staying on the right side of the law in this regard is not that hard.
The discussion on "pushing the law to the limit" is also misleading given the fact that the law is, in just about all of these cases, followed or violated. You are either within it or you are not-you cannot equate that to stressing a bridge or otherwise "pushing" some object that may give under pressure. Gray areas may exist, but the law (particularly the ones we are discussing) largely does not work like this.

That being said, if you don't want to bother with the trouble of reading/interpreting the law everywhere you go (or you simply aren't very good at it and could be prone to fucking it up) and you'd prefer to eliminate all risk, then 18 or older is the way to go. That is the most risk-averse path.

What is not required, however, is the pervasive fear I consistently see from men both online and in real life when it comes to discussion of 16/17 year old females. The feminists have done a fairly good job instituting this fear in a bid to "protect" their daughters, and the results are easy to see.
Many guys are afraid to even talk about an attractive 16/17 year old online, even when the reality is that their own state law has, in the vast majority of cases, no problem with their associating with said girl sexually (much less just talking about her on the internet).

There is zero legal precedent to fear for most of them, yet these men act as though they are discussing the merits of Stalinist communism in the Mccarthy-era United States. The state actually doesn't have a problem, but they behave as if they can be crucified at any minute. They're constantly qualifying themselves, backtracking and otherwise cowering over imaginary threats. It is pathetic.

The fear is ridiculous and unwarranted, and I think more guys should know that. Outlining the law and reading the fine print can make this happen, so I'll continue to advocate for it.

Post: #31

It's so taboo and looked down on to bang a 17 yr. old that guys will try to find excuses even when it's legal and in their face. So many people just assume that 18 is legal.

Post: #32

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